G'Day All. Drayton Harbour sure would have been full at that time, and as my grandnother would have said; "My ship has come into Drayton Harbour." Regards Keith Dippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Crighton" <jcrigh@growzone.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Is there a reason? > I think 1893 saw one of the biggest floods ever in South East Queensland > > > ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== > A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Good morning Margaret and other Friends This material is extracted from a book whose author has given authority for me to copy his work. For privacy, I will not go into the current material, but Margaret, you could contact me off List if you wish. There is not a great deal of which you would not be aware, in any case. Spelling etc is as per the book. ""Mr Christian (Christy) Freidrich Wilhelm Schmidt arrived in Brisbane with his parents in the sailing ship "Alster" on the 12th of August 1862, when he was almost ten years old: Soon after arrival the family moved to Roma, spending some time at Toowoomba. On returning to South East Queensland Christy and Anna purchased a block of land from Richard Deerain, (who later moved to Kerry). Christy was 19 years of age at the time, he did not stay long but moved away cane cutting at Redland Bay; later he learnt his trade of Wheel-wrighting at Beenleigh. He married Anna Wilhemena Karolina nee Buhke, Anna arrived in Brisbane aged 18months 17th March 1872, nine years after her future husband's arrival. After the Floods had destroyed their possessions at Loganholme in 1887 he came to Beaudesert with his new wife and infant son, they lived on the corner of Birnam Street where Klumpp's Cordial Factory was built. Christy carried out his profession as Wheelwright in Beaudesert. Later moving to Eaglesfield Street where they built a small home, later enlarging it to the very comfortable home which they named "Crissana". Christy died on the 29th July 1950, Anna died on the 9th February 1955. Christy and Anna has three sons: Wilhelm Fredrick (Bill) Otto C Schmidt Alfred Charles Schmidt Six daughters: Wilhemine 'Minnie' Auguste Rose Lilly Elsie Isabella Anne Phyllis"" As mentioned their is more data re spouses and children - not a great deal, but it would be useful to some. Of course, you may be wondering why I haven't answered your other queries about this couple -- I received the book on Thursday of last week and this family happens to appear on Pages 12 and 13, which I just happened to read last night!! Cheers Bev > There is a family story that my G-grandparents, Christian Friedrich > Wilhelm SCHMIDT (1952-1950) and his wife, Anna Wilhelmina Karolina BUHK > (1869-1955) (married 1886) were swept away with their house and all > their belongings in an earlier flood on the Logan River.

Hello Beverley, The following taken form the PRIVATE PAPERS OF ARTHUR HERMANN, now know as THE HERMANN PAPERS still in private hands.. Distribution of German Settlers in the Rockhampton Area:- 1868 - 431 1871 - 234 1876 - 235 1881 - 207 1886 - 194 1891 - 159 There are now many, many decendants of these original German Families in the Rockhampton Area. Some of which you have heard from on this list and from other sources. Add to those you have the family names HOFFMANN, HERMANN & HARP. Kind Regards Jim in Rockhampton. James Hannay waraglad@optusnet.com.au

Now we can see what the weather was like in Queensland.. Just and extract from the following website:_ 19-22/1/1887 Very heavy rain over Moreton and East Darling Downs divisions. Creeks in flood and low-lying ground submerged at Cryna (Beaudesert) and Fassifern. Goodna township flooded; houses under water. "The rain commenced on Wednesday January 19. During the 24 hours to 9am on Friday 21st, 2.63 inches was recorded. Between 9am and 4.30pm on the same day 6.83 inches was recorded." (From Queensland Times, 22 Jan 1887, Ref 1.) 22/1/1887 Railway traffic on the Southern and Western Railway suspended on account of floods. Bowen Bridge, Brisbane 5 feet under water at 5 pm, washed away at 6.30 pm. 23/1/1887 Very high flood at Brisbane. Several lives lost by drowning and a great deal of property damaged. 25/1/1887 The steamer 'Barrabool" ran aground in Brisbane River and two sailors were drowned by the flood waters. 13/8/1887 Heavy rains flooded the low-lying ground in neighbourhood of Brisbane. 17/7/1889 Low lying suburbs of Brisbane flooded owing to the heavy rains; river rose to within a few inches of the flood mark of January 1887. 19/7/1889 Floods in most of the Queensland rivers south of Bundaberg. Five vessels adrift in Brisbane River. The Brisbane wharves and part of Ipswich submerged. 25/1/1890 Brisbane: Water in the river 3'4" above the height reached by the King tides; several of the wharves flooded. 10/3/1890 Floods in the Brisbane River. 11/3/1890 Owing to floods all telegraphic and postal business interrupted. Brisbane River 18' above the level of the 1887 flood. 12/3/1890 Ipswich: Height of flood above spring tides 58.48 feet; measured at high water at Bremer railway bridge. 13/3/1890 Floods subsided. http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/brisbane_history.shtml Cheers Gay

Thanks Bev for the items below. Would be grateful for any other information if you come across it. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Bev Kerlin [mailto:kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 4:43 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Logan River Floods - 1886-7 Margaret - here are a few items re the 1887 floods which affected the Logan/Albert Rivers. I have some material here - which I can't find, as usual - regarding various buildings which were demolished around the Waterford areas. However there is a mention of it in Burke's book "Gunyah, Grit and Gantry" which I had from our local library. I'll keep an eye out for more in the material I'm ploughing through right now. Bev 19-22/1/1887 Very heavy rain over Moreton and East Darling Downs divisions. Creeks in flood and low-lying ground submerged at Cryna (Beaudesert) and Fassifern. Goodna township flooded; houses under water. "The rain commenced on Wednesday January 19. During the 24 hours to 9am on Friday 21st, 2.63 inches was recorded. Between 9am and 4.30pm on the same day 6.83 inches was recorded." (From Queensland Times, 22 Jan 1887, Ref 1.) 22/1/1887 Railway traffic on the Southern and Western Railway suspended on account of floods. Bowen Bridge, Brisbane 5 feet under water at 5 pm, washed away at 6.30 pm 23/1/1887 Very high flood at Brisbane. Several lives lost by drowning and a great deal of property damaged 25/1/1887 The steamer 'Barrabool" ran aground in Brisbane River and two sailors were drowned by the flood waters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Szalay" <mszalay@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Logan River Floods - 1886-7 > There is a family story that my G-grandparents, Christian Friedrich > Wilhelm SCHMIDT (1952-1950) and his wife, Anna Wilhelmina Karolina BUHK > (1869-1955) (married 1886) were swept away with their house and all > their belongings in an earlier flood on the Logan River. ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear All, Would anyone have a book called "Dawn Over the Darling Downs" by Rev. Father T. McKey. Cheers Bev

Hi Beverly My husband's family were German and they lived in Rockhampton they came out on "La Rochelle" the family name is HINZ so if there is any connection to this name, may explain the reason for moving Rockhampton had Mining, Meatworks and Railways by that time Rockhampton has a great Family research centre you may like to contact CQ Family History Associatio... E-mail Address(es): cqfha@hotmail.com Best of luck in your research Joy Brisbane - >Dear Jim, was Toowoomba in that flood? I know nothing about it I wonder if >this could be the reason they moved from Toowoomba to go to Rockhamption? >I really wish they had left some sort of a record.............. >thanks for writing, >Beverly. > > >==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== >A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Margaret - here are a few items re the 1887 floods which affected the Logan/Albert Rivers. I have some material here - which I can't find, as usual - regarding various buildings which were demolished around the Waterford areas. However there is a mention of it in Burke's book "Gunyah, Grit and Gantry" which I had from our local library. I'll keep an eye out for more in the material I'm ploughing through right now. Bev 19-22/1/1887 Very heavy rain over Moreton and East Darling Downs divisions. Creeks in flood and low-lying ground submerged at Cryna (Beaudesert) and Fassifern. Goodna township flooded; houses under water. "The rain commenced on Wednesday January 19. During the 24 hours to 9am on Friday 21st, 2.63 inches was recorded. Between 9am and 4.30pm on the same day 6.83 inches was recorded." (From Queensland Times, 22 Jan 1887, Ref 1.) 22/1/1887 Railway traffic on the Southern and Western Railway suspended on account of floods. Bowen Bridge, Brisbane 5 feet under water at 5 pm, washed away at 6.30 pm 23/1/1887 Very high flood at Brisbane. Several lives lost by drowning and a great deal of property damaged 25/1/1887 The steamer 'Barrabool" ran aground in Brisbane River and two sailors were drowned by the flood waters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Szalay" <mszalay@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Logan River Floods - 1886-7 > There is a family story that my G-grandparents, Christian Friedrich > Wilhelm SCHMIDT (1952-1950) and his wife, Anna Wilhelmina Karolina BUHK > (1869-1955) (married 1886) were swept away with their house and all > their belongings in an earlier flood on the Logan River.

Oh Beverly Have you forgotten what a tease the lad is? That flood was not on the Darling Downs James! Just because Ipswich houses ended up in Brisbane doesn't mean the water ran uphill. (At least, I THINK they were Ipswich houses :-)) Cheers Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: <Toetweaker@aol.com> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Is there a reason? > Dear Jim, was Toowoomba in that flood? I know nothing about it I wonder if > this could be the reason they moved from Toowoomba to go to Rockhamption? > I really wish they had left some sort of a record.............. > thanks for writing, > Beverly.

No - I have not mailed anyone about my Erbachers, for many months. It must be a virus. I have Norton 2002 installed, which will pick up bugs for me - but I cant stop the virus from picking up my name and using it. Apparently it comes from my name appearing on anyones address book. Every one please take warning. Marg McN Alan Wildblood <wildblood@blinx.de> wrote: Margaret,A message from a "margaret mcnamara" was sent to my CompuServe address, the one I use for rootsweb posts. I believe the title was "Friedrich Erbacher". Did you sent it. I am afraid to open it, thinking a virus may have transmitted it.Alan Wildblood, Berlin, Germany --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com

There is a family story that my G-grandparents, Christian Friedrich Wilhelm SCHMIDT (1952-1950) and his wife, Anna Wilhelmina Karolina BUHK (1869-1955) (married 1886) were swept away with their house and all their belongings in an earlier flood on the Logan River. Anna contracted a bad ear infection which left her partially deaf for the rest of her life. It must have been in 1886 or 1887 as they had moved to Beaudesert in 1887 where he started his wheelwright business. Christian had come to Australia as a 9yo in 1861, and Anna had come as a 2yo in 1871. Both came from the Uckermark region and both families had later settled in the Logan. If anyone has any information on the Logan floods, I would be interested to receive it. Margaret Szalay -----Original Message----- From: James Crighton [mailto:jcrigh@growzone.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 12:51 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Is there a reason? I think 1893 saw one of the biggest floods ever in South East Queensland ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I think 1893 saw one of the biggest floods ever in South East Queensland

Hi Friends, For you information - I am not connected any any way to the following Last Friday in our local Toowoomba newspaper, appeared a Letter to the Editor, as follows, quote " I am a student at the University of Queensland and am completing a Research Masters thesis. My topic is the impact of firist and second generation German-Lutheran migrants cultural values on Queensland politics in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. I understand your region had a significant German presence during that period. I wish to hear from readers who have gathered any family or local community history regarding the German-Lutherans cultural and political background before and after arriving in Queensland. Any help would be appreciated. - Chris Herde, School of Political Science and International Studies, The University of Queensland, 4072. or email to Herde@bigpond.com.au

Jim (Hannay) The name was EISER and the wife's maiden name was TROST. thanks for your reply, Beverly

Thank you Joy, I will look into it.......... Beverly

Dear Jim, was Toowoomba in that flood? I know nothing about it I wonder if this could be the reason they moved from Toowoomba to go to Rockhamption? I really wish they had left some sort of a record.............. thanks for writing, Beverly.

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could put some light on the subject regarding the possible reasons why my GGGrandmother and her husband may have moved around. GGGrandfather lived in Toowoomba from his birth (1873) and his wife lived in Highfields from about age 17 or 18 (abt 1890). They seemed to have moved from The Toowoomba Area about or before 1892 and settled in Rockhampton. In Rockhampton, their first child was born 24 Sep 1892, Second child born 18 Nov 1893 and then they married 23 May 1894 in Rockhampton. Their third child was born 24 Mar 1895 in Toowoomba. Is it possible that there were more jobs available in Rockhampton that caused them to go there and live? Was Toowoomba in a slump at that time? Was there an established settlement of Germans in Rockhampton? I do know that both of them were raised speaking German and GGGrandmother never did seem to come to some mastery of ENGLISH. I knew her when I was a child and she spoke broken English. If any one can put some light on the possible reasons for the move from Toowoomba to Rockhampton, I would appreciate it. thanks, Beverly.

Hi Bev Could you please look-up the following: Kiemann Volp Puschmann Santowski Lowien Tabel Thanks Regards Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Edmonds" <beve@c-link.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Highfields German Lutherens > Dear All, > > And while I'm in the mood, I will offer my once a year look-up service for > anyone with known ancesters in the Highfields, Douglas, Glencoe area [must > be Lutherens though], please have in mind a specific family and I will do my > best. I don't have them all but I do have a good card index. > > Cheers > Bev > > > ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== > A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi all, I would like to find the birth details and obtain a couple of birth certificates from my German interests. I have tried the LDS site without success. Henry WENZEL was born abt. 1849 in Frankfurt, Germany. Carl ENGEL was born in 1841 in Hundskopf, In The County Dramburg, Germany Annie ENGEL was born in 1880 in Henkendorf, Germany. Can anyone advise me if I can look up the records on line anywhere else? Also, how do I go about getting a copy of the birth certificate? Ta Neil ******************************************** Researching the names, ENGEL, HIGGINS, MANN, RYLAND, SATCHER, WENZEL(L), WILLIAMS from the SE QLD area. ******************************************

Hi Would like to hear from anyone who knew Rodney Klein (born Toowoomba 16/8/1917) and his wife Myrtle Wolff (both deceased). Ian Kelly Sandstone Point