my wife does not know a green wattle ridge but when she lived in Toowoomba 50 odd years ago the was a green wattle st in Wilsonton, leading to the airport On 11/3/07, Noel & Del Bergman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi List, > > Does anyone know where Green Wattle Ridge near Toowoomba is? > > For our Susanne Godeffroy project, we have found mention that the > Bleeck/Bleich family were there in 1889. > > > Regards > > Noel & Del Bergman > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, Does anyone know where Green Wattle Ridge near Toowoomba is? For our Susanne Godeffroy project, we have found mention that the Bleeck/Bleich family were there in 1889. Regards Noel & Del Bergman

Hi List, Thank you to all those kind people who replied to inquiry regarding diaries and journals from voyages to Australia around 1865. Even though some of them aren't for the exact time frame, it is a wonderful insight into the conditions that many of our families underwent. We were surprised to read that one of the families, the Windolf family emigrated on the ship Gauntlet which arrived in Moreton Bay on the 20th February 1878 and that the family came Indirect. They travelled from Hamburg to London on the "Martin" and then changed ships to the "Gauntlet". At that time it was more common for people to emigrate using the Direct shipping method from Hamburg or Bremen and it was only after 1880 that Indirect became the norm. Has anyone else found instances where before 1880, their family emigrated Indirect. We know that there were other instances where people emigrated from Germany to England and lived there for in some cases for several years before then emigrating to Australia. My Bergmann ancestor of Johann Carl Ludwig Voje/Bergmann left Mecklenburg between 1852 and 1858 and travelled to England. He met his future wife Anna Wellbrock in London where they married. She herself had emigrated from Hanover. They then emigrated with their two children in 1862 on the "Whirlwind". We have never been able to find the exact date of when either of them left Germany, but we know from looking at microfilms of the Parish Records from their relevant areas, that they were both confirmed in their birthplaces at the age of 14. Noel & Del Bergman

Hi Charmaine, Thank you for posting this on the list. I am sure like us many others will find it extremely interesting. If you have any others, we would love to read them. Noel & Del Bergman Date sent: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:30:21 +1100 (EST) From: Charmaine Researcher <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Obituary - KIMLIN Dudley Send reply to: [email protected]eb.com [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] The Gatton, Lockyer and Brisbane Valley STAR, Wednesday, October 31, 2007 – Page 13 Dudley Kimlin DUDLEY Allen Kimlin was born at Laidley on June 24 1921, the second child of Noel and Martha Kimlin. He was raised along with his sister, Enid and four brothers, Ron, Ellis, Royce and Bevan on the family farm at Glenore Grove. One eventful day on the way home from Glenore Grove State School, he along with several others found a body floating in the lagoon. This led to his later involvement with the true crime book Murder in the Rain. At the age of 20 Dudley joined the local Light Horse Brigade at Forest Hill, and in December 1941 enlisted in the army joining 2/10th Battalion, 7th Division AIF. He saw active service in New Guinea at Port Moresby, Lae, Dumpu, Milne Bay, Shaggy Ridge, Ramu Valley, Gona, Buna and Finschafen. He also travelled the Kokoda Track during the New Guinea campaign. On December 12 1947 Dudley married Beryl Goschnick, having meet her at the Lowood show. Their marriage was blessed with eight children. The couple farmed at Glenore Grove until retiring to Laidley in 1987. Dudley was a keen sportsman throughout his life, playing tennis and cricket for Lake Clarendon. He was a spin bowler of some note and cherished his hat-trick trophy. In his later years he played both indoor and lawn bowls and represented Queensland in indoor bowls. He became involved with many local clubs, working tirelessly and often in executive capacities. In January 2000, Dudley lost his wife and partner of 52 years. Despite failing eyesight, he continued to live on his own for several years. His health gradually deteriorated and on the evening of Wednesday September 26, he passed away peacefully in his sleep. Dudley Kimlin will always be remembered as a man who could be relied upon and one who was always willing to lend a hand. Strong, active, never flustered and always there for his family, he was a proud but humble man of few words. --------------------------------- National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Gatton, Lockyer and Brisbane Valley STAR, Wednesday, October 31, 2007 – Page 13 Dudley Kimlin DUDLEY Allen Kimlin was born at Laidley on June 24 1921, the second child of Noel and Martha Kimlin. He was raised along with his sister, Enid and four brothers, Ron, Ellis, Royce and Bevan on the family farm at Glenore Grove. One eventful day on the way home from Glenore Grove State School, he along with several others found a body floating in the lagoon. This led to his later involvement with the true crime book Murder in the Rain. At the age of 20 Dudley joined the local Light Horse Brigade at Forest Hill, and in December 1941 enlisted in the army joining 2/10th Battalion, 7th Division AIF. He saw active service in New Guinea at Port Moresby, Lae, Dumpu, Milne Bay, Shaggy Ridge, Ramu Valley, Gona, Buna and Finschafen. He also travelled the Kokoda Track during the New Guinea campaign. On December 12 1947 Dudley married Beryl Goschnick, having meet her at the Lowood show. Their marriage was blessed with eight children. The couple farmed at Glenore Grove until retiring to Laidley in 1987. Dudley was a keen sportsman throughout his life, playing tennis and cricket for Lake Clarendon. He was a spin bowler of some note and cherished his hat-trick trophy. In his later years he played both indoor and lawn bowls and represented Queensland in indoor bowls. He became involved with many local clubs, working tirelessly and often in executive capacities. In January 2000, Dudley lost his wife and partner of 52 years. Despite failing eyesight, he continued to live on his own for several years. His health gradually deteriorated and on the evening of Wednesday September 26, he passed away peacefully in his sleep. Dudley Kimlin will always be remembered as a man who could be relied upon and one who was always willing to lend a hand. Strong, active, never flustered and always there for his family, he was a proud but humble man of few words. --------------------------------- National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV.

I wish> Good to see you are still enthusiastic and I'm looking forward to the finished product. Gaylene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel & Del Bergman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Diaries & Journals 1860's > Hi List, > > We are researching the 1865 voyage of the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" > from Hamburg to Moreton Bay. > > We know of one diary about the voyage written 50 years later, but > does anyone know of any other accounts of the voyage or other > voyages around that time. > > Looking forward to hearing from some of you. > > Regards > > Noel & Del Bergman > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2630 (20071031) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi List, We are researching the 1865 voyage of the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" from Hamburg to Moreton Bay. We know of one diary about the voyage written 50 years later, but does anyone know of any other accounts of the voyage or other voyages around that time. Looking forward to hearing from some of you. Regards Noel & Del Bergman

Hi Pamela There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German list. Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German religious ministers to bring people from the homeland to Australia. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich Researching: WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or the social history behind this please? Regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ

Hi Group, Does anyone have any information on the Siebken brothers Peter born circa 1843 and Claus born circa 1846. They emigrated to Moreton Bay on the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" arriving in 1865. They were from Holstein. We have searched many different variants of the name and in all states but can't find them. Help! Noel & Del Bergman

Dear Elizabeth, Many thanks for your information. Please see my website where I have managed to get the information from a German person who holds the original book. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/appendices.html#unrelatednames Best regards, Phil At 9:29 AM +1000 21/10/07, Elizabeth wrote: >Hello Philip and Lisa > >The publication you need is available on LDS Film [ 1045468 Item 10 >] the film can be ordered from your nearest Mormon library or the >Society of Australian Genealogists in Sydney. Below are the details >as printed from the LDS Family History Library Catalog. > >For any publication it is always advisable to check >www.familysearch.org click on Family History Library Catalog then >click on keyword search and type in Auswandererlisten des ehemaligen >Herzogtums Braunschweig ohne Stadt Braunschweig und Landkreis >Holzminden 1846-1871. Many such publications have been filmed by the >LDS and most films can be ordered for viewing in Australia. (See >film notes below) > >LDS printout results: >Title >Auswandererlisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums Braunschweig ohne Stadt >Braunschweig und Landkreis Holzminden 1846-1871 > >Stmnt.Resp. >von Fritz Gruhne > >Authors >Gruhne, Fritz (Main Author) > >Notes >Mit Index. >Emigration lists for the former duchy of Braunschweig, Germany, >exclusive of the city of Braunschweig and district of Holzminden. > >Subjects >Germany, Braunschweig - Emigration and immigration >Germany - Emigration and immigration > >Copies >Call Number - Location - Status >943.59 W29g v. 20 copy 2 - FHL INTL Reference - Available >943.59 W29g - FHL INTL Book - Missing > >Format >Books/Monographs (With Film) > >Language >German > >Publication >Braunschweig : Braunschweigischen Geschichtsvereins, 1971 > >Physical >293 S. > >Subject Class >943.59 W29 > >Series >Quellen und Forschungen zur braunschweigischen Geschichte : Bd. 20 > >Film Notes >Note - Location [Film] >Auch auf Mikrofilm. Salt Lake City : Gefilmt durch The Genealogical >Society of Utah, 1977. auf 1 Mikrofilmrolle ; 35 mm. - FHL INTL >Film [ 1045468 Item 10 ] > >I hope this helps, > >Elizabeth -- **Philip Strong***Email:[email protected]***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER of Moringen, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

Hi Jane, Courtesy of the Translator http://www.toggle.com/lv/start/translator.htm O my God, and sun shield In thee I found live and heil Verklart into your heavenly fig. I praise you herrlichstes mankind Doesn't really explain the meaning of Verklart and herrlichstes though. Linda

Dear Listers, Can anyone help out with the translation of the following German inscription? O Gott meine sonne und schild In dir fand ich leben und heil Verklart in dein himmlisches bild Lobpreis ich dich herrlichstes theil Regards Jane

At 06:55 PM 17/10/2007 +1000, you wrote: >Thanks to Lisa for the link. I wonder if the >original is held in Australia. It appears that >marvellous information is in this book. Hello Philip and Lisa The publication you need is available on LDS Film [ 1045468 Item 10 ] the film can be ordered from your nearest Mormon library or the Society of Australian Genealogists in Sydney. Below are the details as printed from the LDS Family History Library Catalog. For any publication it is always advisable to check www.familysearch.org click on Family History Library Catalog then click on keyword search and type in Auswandererlisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums Braunschweig ohne Stadt Braunschweig und Landkreis Holzminden 1846-1871. Many such publications have been filmed by the LDS and most films can be ordered for viewing in Australia. (See film notes below) LDS printout results: Title Auswandererlisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums Braunschweig ohne Stadt Braunschweig und Landkreis Holzminden 1846-1871 Stmnt.Resp. von Fritz Gruhne Authors Gruhne, Fritz (Main Author) Notes Mit Index. Emigration lists for the former duchy of Braunschweig, Germany, exclusive of the city of Braunschweig and district of Holzminden. Subjects Germany, Braunschweig - Emigration and immigration Germany - Emigration and immigration Copies Call Number - Location - Status 943.59 W29g v. 20 copy 2 - FHL INTL Reference - Available 943.59 W29g - FHL INTL Book - Missing Format Books/Monographs (With Film) Language German Publication Braunschweig : Braunschweigischen Geschichtsvereins, 1971 Physical 293 S. Subject Class 943.59 W29 Series Quellen und Forschungen zur braunschweigischen Geschichte : Bd. 20 Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Auch auf Mikrofilm. Salt Lake City : Gefilmt durch The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1977. auf 1 Mikrofilmrolle ; 35 mm. - FHL INTL Film [ 1045468 Item 10 ] I hope this helps, Elizabeth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 20/10/2007 2:59 PM

Philip The following from a contact of mine in Germany. (She actually does research - for a fee - at the Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv.) > > These are the signatures/names of two files in the State Archive, Wolfenbuettel, that have to be ordered under: 103 N 92 2 Burgdorf and 103 N 338 3 Salder 'Bestand' simply means a certain collection of files referring to a specific topic, time, etc. > > Hope this helps, Philip ... (Let me know 'off-List' if you would like this researcher's name/contact details. Just to give you an idea of cost - about $200 AUS for 3 hrs research, but I can vouch that she does a very thorough/professional job.) Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Philip I agree with you that this: > >Siehe Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv > >Wolfenbüttel ÝÝ Bestand 103 N, 93 2 Burgdorf > >und Bestand 103 N 338 3 Salder. refers to a ref./source at the State Archives of Niedersachen, but perhaps the ÝÝ is a formatting/encoding error? I think 'Bestand' means 'continuing', rather than 'compromising' .... Looking at some examples of the types of entries to be found in this book (from the web address supplied earlier), the entry you've quoted should end with something that looks like this: Brg. Anz. 1868/71. A. (This indicates that the person/family announced their intention to leave for America in 1868. Yours should say 'Au.' for Australia.) Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:55:29 +1000> To: [email protected]> From: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fritz Gruner's book: Emigrant Lists of the Former Duchy of Brunswick> > Thanks to Lisa for the link. I wonder if the > original is held in Australia. It appears that > marvellous information is in this book.> > > ÝÝBestand in the final paragraph might mean > comprising(?)... in some sort of reference to > sources.. would be good to know what it means!> > _________________________________________________________________ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D30288&_t=764581033&_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07&_m=EXT

Thanks to Lisa for the link. I wonder if the original is held in Australia. It appears that marvellous information is in this book. An example is from a bit of correspondence I received. The translation is mine: >From correspondent: >Moin, moin to Australien ich fand in Fritz >Gruner "Auswandererlisten des ehemaligen >Herzogtum Braunschweig" auf Seite 186: >Wedemeier to Australien fromm Sadler: >Johann Heinrich August Wedemeier ** Häusling und >Schuhmachergesell,* 23.3.1821, Sohn des Sattlers >und Amtscopisten Joh. Heinrich Rudolph Wedemeier >und der Caroline Dorothee Henriette Schimmler, >oo mit Schuppmann, Henriette Dorothee Elisabeth, >* 27.12.1819. Deren Kinder 1. August Heinrich >*14.5.46 Burgdorf (near Salder). 2. Joh. >Henriette Caroline * 5.8.1848 Burgdorf 3. >Caroline Wilhelmine Henriette * 11.5.1852 Salder >4. Carl Christian Julius *5.3.1855 Salder, 5. ? > Aus Braunschweiger Anzeiger 1864 208 >Siehe Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv >Wolfenbüttel ÝÝ Bestand 103 N, 93 2 Burgdorf >und Bestand 103 N 338 3 Salder. I translated this as: >G'day to Australia >I found on page 186 of Fritz Gruner's "Emigrant >Lists of the Former Duchy of Brunswick": >A Wedemeier to Australia from Salder: >Johann Heinrich August Wedemeier **Häusling and >shoemaker journeyman, b. 23.3.1821, son of the >upholsterer and office ??clerk?? Joh. Heinrich >Rudolph Wedemeier and Caroline Dorothee >Henriette Schimmler; m. Henriette Dorothee >Elizabeth Schuppmann, b. 27.12.1819. >Children: >1 August Heinrich b. 14.5.46 Burgdorf (near Salder). >2. Joh. Henriette Caroline b. 5.8.1848 Burgdorf >3. Caroline Wilhelmine Henriette b. 11.5.1852 Salder >4. Carl Christian Julius b. 5.3.1855 Salder, >5.? >--- >1864 Index: Out of Brunswick , page 208. >See the State Archives of Lower Saxony at Wolfenbüttel. >ÝÝBestand?? 103 N, 93 2 Burgdorf and ??Bestand?? 103 N 338 3 Salder. --- **Häusling: A servant who lived in the house of his feudal Lord and received free board and lodgings, but no annual salary. Sometimes he could be given a lease on a small portion of land within his Lord's domain. ÝÝBestand in the final paragraph might mean comprising(?)... in some sort of reference to sources.. would be good to know what it means! >Philip > >Have you seen the following website? > >http://www.thomas-erbe.de/ahnen/buch/001.htm > >It has an Index to the surnames, places of >origin and destinations appearing in this >publication ... > >('WEDEMEYER' and 'WEDEMEIER' appear, but I guess >this is why you're trying to access a copy of >the actual publication, huh?!) > >Rgs >Lisa >Gladstone, Q -- **Philip Strong***Email:[email protected]***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER of Moringen, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

Philip Have you seen the following website? http://www.thomas-erbe.de/ahnen/buch/001.htm It has an Index to the surnames, places of origin and destinations appearing in this publication ... ('WEDEMEYER' and 'WEDEMEIER' appear, but I guess this is why you're trying to access a copy of the actual publication, huh?!) Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Does anyone have access to / or knowledge of Fritz Gruner's book: "Auswandererlisten des ehemaligen Herzogtum Braunschweig" ("Emigrant Lists of the Former Duchy of Brunswick")?... or even "Aus Braunschweiger Anzeiger"? -- **Philip Strong***Email:[email protected]***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER of Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

Hi Folks Excuse this cross-posting but have some old photos that may be of interest? No. 1 ~ Wynnum Church of Christ - late 1925 ? Identified - bottom right: lady in dark hat with a young child standing in front of her is Catherine (Kate) Duke (nee Martin) b 1893; the child is Mavis Duke believed to be 16 months of age b 1924; on their right in white sandshoes & tie is Percival (Percy) Duke b 1917. Behind Percy is Annie Mary Martin (nee Beitz) b1868 Cooyar, Burnett. At Kate's left shoulder in felt hat and waistcoat is Thomas Martin b 1865 Scotland. On the top plate of the wall, in the middle, third from left or right, is Thomas Martin jnr b 1900. Kate & Thomas jnr are children of Thomas & Annie. This information was passed over about 1997-1998 and one or two of the old houses appearing in the right side of the photo were still there and the one on the left side behind the paling fence still existed but had been modified. No. 2 ~ UNKNOWN - probably a Church of Christ "working bee" ? I have some higher quality scans but you would need broadband for me to send to you, if you are interested. Maybe Wynnum Church of Christ or any Wynnum Historical Society would be interested in these? Check out: http://www.vivmartin.com.au/fotos/fotos.html Cheers Viv . No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1068 - Release Date: 13/10/2007 10:15 AM

List Members may be interested in the following: “Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600 – 1947” Author: Christopher Clark Cost: Approx. $30.00 (Paperback) This book has attracted a swag of glowing reviews and awards, including the 2007 Queensland Premier’s Literary (History Book) Award. It would provide a great deal of background for anyone with ‘German’ ancestry. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT