Hi Everyone We believe that our family of HINZ came from Schleswig-Holstein they came out on the La Rochelle and settled in and around Rockhampton in Central Queensland We believe 3 brothers came out together with their families my husband is a descendant of Wilhelm who with his wife Maria SCHLUTER settled in Rockhampton Would love to correspond with other members of this family Joy HINZ; BAY; SCHLUTER; VOSS; PETERS; CONNORS > Jennifer, > Thanks for that. I can now say that I have heard of at least one family in > Queensland. I have long believed that conscription was an issue but never > had proof in regard Germans to Queensland. Wonder how many more there are. > Interesting they came from Schleswig-Holstein. I have strong suspicions > that > there were a number of families migrated from there to Queensland and > especially the Lockyer valley but never had any evidence to support my > theory until now. Wonder how many other families are in this group and > where > they settled. > I do know that agents went to Pomerania to select migrants to take up land > in the Marburg-Minden region. > Albert Grulke in still dry sunny Melbourne > > > > Albert, > > My German family WENCK were from Schleswig-Holstein, not > Pomerania. They arrived in Queensland in 1879 as free nominated > passengers. They settled in Minden. There was already a married > sister of Reimer Wenck in Queensland, so that may have been one > reason for emigrating, but they came when their oldest son was 17 > and his mother said none of her sons were going to be cannon > fodder so the issue of avoiding conscription was certainly there. > > Jennifer > http://colston-wenck.com > > > > > <snip> > I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated > because of > conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is > alleged to > have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so > and so. > Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and > the other 2 > followed as soon as they completed their training. > I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. > <snip> >

Jennifer, Thanks for that. I can now say that I have heard of at least one family in Queensland. I have long believed that conscription was an issue but never had proof in regard Germans to Queensland. Wonder how many more there are. Interesting they came from Schleswig-Holstein. I have strong suspicions that there were a number of families migrated from there to Queensland and especially the Lockyer valley but never had any evidence to support my theory until now. Wonder how many other families are in this group and where they settled. I do know that agents went to Pomerania to select migrants to take up land in the Marburg-Minden region. Albert Grulke in still dry sunny Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration Albert, My German family WENCK were from Schleswig-Holstein, not Pomerania. They arrived in Queensland in 1879 as free nominated passengers. They settled in Minden. There was already a married sister of Reimer Wenck in Queensland, so that may have been one reason for emigrating, but they came when their oldest son was 17 and his mother said none of her sons were going to be cannon fodder so the issue of avoiding conscription was certainly there. Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 3:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration <snip> I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged to have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other 2 followed as soon as they completed their training. I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. <snip> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy, If you would like, I could do some research for you . For about 30 years now I`m busy with family / genealogical research. During this time I made a lot of experiences while researching in the archives of Schleswig-Holstein. I live in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein. I am looking forward to hear from you. Please look at my homepage : www.ancestor-research.de and contact me: [email protected] Regards Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Henderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration > Yes Kerry > my Wilhelm was born in Worden in 1839 > > I do not have any Schroders in my tree > but that doesn't mean there wasn't > just have never made a connection > > Joy > > > > > >> Did your Hinz family come from Worden / Wohrden? I think that there was a >> Hinz family on La Rochelle from this town. My Schroders come from Wohrden >> on >> La Rochelle. I don't know if there is a connection. >> Regards, >> Kerry >> >> >>> Hi Everyone >>> >>> We believe that our family of HINZ came from Schleswig-Holstein >>> they came out on the La Rochelle and settled in and around >>> Rockhampton in Central Queensland >>> >>> We believe 3 brothers came out together with their families >>> my husband is a descendant of Wilhelm who with his wife >>> Maria SCHLUTER settled in Rockhampton >>> >>> Would love to correspond with other members of this family >>> >>> Joy >>> HINZ; BAY; SCHLUTER; VOSS; PETERS; CONNORS > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Wayne Would it be possible to forward me a copy as well I have a photo of a Zirbel relative in a Uniform & maybe your photo could help me identify the one I have Would be happy to scan & send you a copy Regards Phyllis Zirbel Goondiwindi RESEARCHING FAMILIES Zirbel, Kitson, Horton, Tebb . Acret, Fechner Busiko ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne bunning" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > Hi Albert, > Have sent you direct to your personal email address a attachment which > shows > a picture of Franco Prussian war veterans taken before WW1. > > Kind regards > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > > >> Wayne, >> Long time since I heard from you. Good to hear. >> First of all I am no expert on this topic. >> I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of >> conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged >> to >> have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. >> Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other >> 2 >> followed as soon as they completed their training. >> I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. >> To my knowledge the Marburg situation goes like this: >> Somebody decided to cut up the land holding around Marburg and Minden >> into >> 40-acre blocks. The agent then went to Pomerania to recruit German >> farmers >> to take up the blocks and develop them. >> To this date I have not been able to determine who made the decision and >> who >> the agent was but I suspect from the way it was handled that it was >> Queensland government. >> At the time there was an acute land shortage in Pomerania. Very often the >> eldest or youngest son stayed in Pomerania and the other sons were >> encouraged to migrate. >> The Queensland government took full advantage of this. >> When the migrant arrived in Brisbane he went to a hostel at either >> Kangaroo >> Point or Eaglehawk near Beenleigh. >> It appears that the land was not allotted until after the migrant was >> actually on Queensland soil. >>>From what I can gather they spent on average about 4 months at the >>>hostel. >> I am interested in the comment that they were proud to show off their >> Franco-Prussian medals. >> It intrigues me that our German ancestors in Queensland were proud of >> their >> German ancestry yet they never shared it with us. One gets snippets like >> this but no detail. I would love to know why. >> Albert Grulke >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wayne >> bunning >> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 9:34 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration >> >> Hi Albert, >> >> I have found your article very interesting, can you assist me by >> explaining >> the connection of the reluctance of Germans to fight in Europe and their >> preference to immigrate to escape conscription. >> >>>From my experience with my family in the Marburg area, the reason for >> immigration was purely opportunity for economic reasons. >> I have found no one yet whose ancestor left for conscription reasons. >> My great grandfather and other Germans of the Marburg region were quite >> proud to display their Franco Prussian medals etc. >> >> Whereas I know that some did immigrate to escape conscription, I suspect >> it >> was a small percentage. >> >> Kind regards >> Wayne >> >>> From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>> >>> >>>> The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many >>>> years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen >>>> years >>>> ago >>>> I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. >>>> To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that >>>> seem >>>> to have developed. >>>> First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to >>>> any >>>> state but South Australia in the 19th century. >>>> There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. >>>> The >>>> total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They >>>> came >>>> under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of >>>> perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the >>>> main >>>> members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia >>>> although Saxony gets a fair mention. >>>> It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we >>>> examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see >>>> that >>>> family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. >>>> In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question >>>> that >>>> almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In >>>> fact >>>> if one traces their families down the line we can see those same >>>> religious >>>> concerns being promoted as late as 2007. >>>> After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, >>>> Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia >>>> did >>>> play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have >>>> researched >>>> I find family or opportunity was the motivator. >>>> In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was >>>> relatively >>>> small compared to NSW and Queensland. >>>> Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from >>>> Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were >>>> probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed >>>> south >>>> from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from >>>> Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. >>>> I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few >>>> German >>>> settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. >>>> Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I >>>> know >>>> that threat was a small German migration to that state. >>>> New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had >>>> never >>>> been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me >>>> to >>>> ask lots of questions. >>>> The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW >>>> well >>>> before any vines wert grown in South Australia. >>>> The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine >>>> regions >>>> from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there >>>> was >>>> a >>>> huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. >>>> These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. >>>> There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, >>>> west >>>> of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. >>>> They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they >>>> were >>>> sponsored by employers and in some case by government. >>>> What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German >>>> ancestry >>>> seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get >>>> people >>>> even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. >>>> The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other >>>> states combined. >>>> I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or >>>> maybe >>>> three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay >>>> administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern >>>> Germany >>>> and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds >>>> and >>>> farm hands for the station owners. >>>> Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents >>>> across >>>> the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up >>>> land >>>> selections. >>>> Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the >>>> 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the >>>> same >>>> places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this >>>> time >>>> the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to >>>> migrate. >>>> I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have >>>> given >>>> a >>>> very broad answer to Pam's query. >>>> I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in >>>> migration to Queensland. >>>> Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a >>>> number >>>> of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit >>>> migrants. >>>> Hope this helps answer a little bit. >>>> Albert Grulke >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>>> >>>> Hi Pamela >>>> >>>> There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German >>>> list. >>>> Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German >>>> religious ministers to bring >>>> people from the homeland to Australia. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lorrae >>>> Glenore Grove Qld 4342 >>>> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >>>> >>>> Researching: >>>> WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. >>>> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 >>>> From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German >>>> immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or >>>> the >>>> social history behind this please? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Pam >>>> >>>> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ >>>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>>> to >>>> South East Queensland, Australia. >>>> Archives - >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>>> to South East Queensland, Australia. >>>> Archives - >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > 6/11/2007 8:05 PM > >

Hi Wayne I would love to view this attachment also. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne bunning" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > Hi Albert, > Have sent you direct to your personal email address a attachment which > shows > a picture of Franco Prussian war veterans taken before WW1. > > Kind regards > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > > >> Wayne, >> Long time since I heard from you. Good to hear. >> First of all I am no expert on this topic. >> I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of >> conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged >> to >> have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. >> Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other >> 2 >> followed as soon as they completed their training. >> I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. >> To my knowledge the Marburg situation goes like this: >> Somebody decided to cut up the land holding around Marburg and Minden >> into >> 40-acre blocks. The agent then went to Pomerania to recruit German >> farmers >> to take up the blocks and develop them. >> To this date I have not been able to determine who made the decision and >> who >> the agent was but I suspect from the way it was handled that it was >> Queensland government. >> At the time there was an acute land shortage in Pomerania. Very often the >> eldest or youngest son stayed in Pomerania and the other sons were >> encouraged to migrate. >> The Queensland government took full advantage of this. >> When the migrant arrived in Brisbane he went to a hostel at either >> Kangaroo >> Point or Eaglehawk near Beenleigh. >> It appears that the land was not allotted until after the migrant was >> actually on Queensland soil. >>>From what I can gather they spent on average about 4 months at the >>>hostel. >> I am interested in the comment that they were proud to show off their >> Franco-Prussian medals. >> It intrigues me that our German ancestors in Queensland were proud of >> their >> German ancestry yet they never shared it with us. One gets snippets like >> this but no detail. I would love to know why. >> Albert Grulke >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wayne >> bunning >> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 9:34 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration >> >> Hi Albert, >> >> I have found your article very interesting, can you assist me by >> explaining >> the connection of the reluctance of Germans to fight in Europe and their >> preference to immigrate to escape conscription. >> >>>From my experience with my family in the Marburg area, the reason for >> immigration was purely opportunity for economic reasons. >> I have found no one yet whose ancestor left for conscription reasons. >> My great grandfather and other Germans of the Marburg region were quite >> proud to display their Franco Prussian medals etc. >> >> Whereas I know that some did immigrate to escape conscription, I suspect >> it >> was a small percentage. >> >> Kind regards >> Wayne >> >>> From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>> >>> >>>> The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many >>>> years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen >>>> years >>>> ago >>>> I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. >>>> To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that >>>> seem >>>> to have developed. >>>> First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to >>>> any >>>> state but South Australia in the 19th century. >>>> There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. >>>> The >>>> total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They >>>> came >>>> under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of >>>> perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the >>>> main >>>> members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia >>>> although Saxony gets a fair mention. >>>> It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we >>>> examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see >>>> that >>>> family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. >>>> In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question >>>> that >>>> almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In >>>> fact >>>> if one traces their families down the line we can see those same >>>> religious >>>> concerns being promoted as late as 2007. >>>> After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, >>>> Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia >>>> did >>>> play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have >>>> researched >>>> I find family or opportunity was the motivator. >>>> In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was >>>> relatively >>>> small compared to NSW and Queensland. >>>> Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from >>>> Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were >>>> probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed >>>> south >>>> from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from >>>> Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. >>>> I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few >>>> German >>>> settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. >>>> Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I >>>> know >>>> that threat was a small German migration to that state. >>>> New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had >>>> never >>>> been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me >>>> to >>>> ask lots of questions. >>>> The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW >>>> well >>>> before any vines wert grown in South Australia. >>>> The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine >>>> regions >>>> from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there >>>> was >>>> a >>>> huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. >>>> These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. >>>> There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, >>>> west >>>> of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. >>>> They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they >>>> were >>>> sponsored by employers and in some case by government. >>>> What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German >>>> ancestry >>>> seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get >>>> people >>>> even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. >>>> The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other >>>> states combined. >>>> I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or >>>> maybe >>>> three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay >>>> administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern >>>> Germany >>>> and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds >>>> and >>>> farm hands for the station owners. >>>> Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents >>>> across >>>> the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up >>>> land >>>> selections. >>>> Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the >>>> 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the >>>> same >>>> places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this >>>> time >>>> the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to >>>> migrate. >>>> I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have >>>> given >>>> a >>>> very broad answer to Pam's query. >>>> I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in >>>> migration to Queensland. >>>> Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a >>>> number >>>> of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit >>>> migrants. >>>> Hope this helps answer a little bit. >>>> Albert Grulke >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>>> >>>> Hi Pamela >>>> >>>> There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German >>>> list. >>>> Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German >>>> religious ministers to bring >>>> people from the homeland to Australia. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lorrae >>>> Glenore Grove Qld 4342 >>>> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >>>> >>>> Researching: >>>> WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. >>>> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 >>>> From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German >>>> immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or >>>> the >>>> social history behind this please? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Pam >>>> >>>> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ >>>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>>> to >>>> South East Queensland, Australia. >>>> Archives - >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>>> to South East Queensland, Australia. >>>> Archives - >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Albert, Have sent you direct to your personal email address a attachment which shows a picture of Franco Prussian war veterans taken before WW1. Kind regards Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > Wayne, > Long time since I heard from you. Good to hear. > First of all I am no expert on this topic. > I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of > conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged > to > have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. > Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other > 2 > followed as soon as they completed their training. > I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. > To my knowledge the Marburg situation goes like this: > Somebody decided to cut up the land holding around Marburg and Minden into > 40-acre blocks. The agent then went to Pomerania to recruit German farmers > to take up the blocks and develop them. > To this date I have not been able to determine who made the decision and > who > the agent was but I suspect from the way it was handled that it was > Queensland government. > At the time there was an acute land shortage in Pomerania. Very often the > eldest or youngest son stayed in Pomerania and the other sons were > encouraged to migrate. > The Queensland government took full advantage of this. > When the migrant arrived in Brisbane he went to a hostel at either > Kangaroo > Point or Eaglehawk near Beenleigh. > It appears that the land was not allotted until after the migrant was > actually on Queensland soil. >>From what I can gather they spent on average about 4 months at the hostel. > I am interested in the comment that they were proud to show off their > Franco-Prussian medals. > It intrigues me that our German ancestors in Queensland were proud of > their > German ancestry yet they never shared it with us. One gets snippets like > this but no detail. I would love to know why. > Albert Grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wayne > bunning > Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 9:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > > Hi Albert, > > I have found your article very interesting, can you assist me by > explaining > the connection of the reluctance of Germans to fight in Europe and their > preference to immigrate to escape conscription. > >>From my experience with my family in the Marburg area, the reason for > immigration was purely opportunity for economic reasons. > I have found no one yet whose ancestor left for conscription reasons. > My great grandfather and other Germans of the Marburg region were quite > proud to display their Franco Prussian medals etc. > > Whereas I know that some did immigrate to escape conscription, I suspect > it > was a small percentage. > > Kind regards > Wayne > >> From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >> >> >>> The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many >>> years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen years >>> ago >>> I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. >>> To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that >>> seem >>> to have developed. >>> First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to >>> any >>> state but South Australia in the 19th century. >>> There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. >>> The >>> total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They >>> came >>> under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of >>> perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the >>> main >>> members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia >>> although Saxony gets a fair mention. >>> It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we >>> examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see >>> that >>> family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. >>> In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question >>> that >>> almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In >>> fact >>> if one traces their families down the line we can see those same >>> religious >>> concerns being promoted as late as 2007. >>> After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, >>> Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia >>> did >>> play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have >>> researched >>> I find family or opportunity was the motivator. >>> In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was >>> relatively >>> small compared to NSW and Queensland. >>> Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from >>> Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were >>> probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed >>> south >>> from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from >>> Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. >>> I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few >>> German >>> settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. >>> Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I >>> know >>> that threat was a small German migration to that state. >>> New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had >>> never >>> been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me >>> to >>> ask lots of questions. >>> The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW >>> well >>> before any vines wert grown in South Australia. >>> The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine >>> regions >>> from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there was >>> a >>> huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. >>> These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. >>> There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, >>> west >>> of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. >>> They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they were >>> sponsored by employers and in some case by government. >>> What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German >>> ancestry >>> seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get >>> people >>> even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. >>> The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other >>> states combined. >>> I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or >>> maybe >>> three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay >>> administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern >>> Germany >>> and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds >>> and >>> farm hands for the station owners. >>> Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents >>> across >>> the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up land >>> selections. >>> Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the >>> 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the same >>> places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this >>> time >>> the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to >>> migrate. >>> I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have given >>> a >>> very broad answer to Pam's query. >>> I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in >>> migration to Queensland. >>> Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a >>> number >>> of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit >>> migrants. >>> Hope this helps answer a little bit. >>> Albert Grulke >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae >>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>> >>> Hi Pamela >>> >>> There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German >>> list. >>> Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German >>> religious ministers to bring >>> people from the homeland to Australia. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lorrae >>> Glenore Grove Qld 4342 >>> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >>> >>> Researching: >>> WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. >>> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 >>> From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German >>> immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or the >>> social history behind this please? >>> >>> Regards >>> Pam >>> >>> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ >>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>> to >>> South East Queensland, Australia. >>> Archives - >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>> to South East Queensland, Australia. >>> Archives - >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read a book some years ago with a title like "Germans in Queensland". It *might* be this book: http://srlopac.slq.qld.gov.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=321667 Anyhow, the book talked about what motivated the Germans to emigrate to Queensland in the late 1800s. As I recall, there were three main reasons and obviously some people would have been motivated by more than one: * conscription of young men into the army (as already mentioned) * a schism in the Lutheran Church, one variant of which was being promoted as the State Religion to the disgust of the followers of the other variety of Lutheranism, i.e. religious freedom * general poor economic conditions The poor economic conditions had two aspects. The first aspect related to small farmers (freehold or leasehold). Traditionally farms passed from father to sons but the problem in the 1800s was that child mortality rates improved through better understanding of germs and innoculations etc. So while in the 1700s, a man might have been lucky to see one or two sons reach adulthood to take over the farm, by the 1800s, a man might find himself with several sons. Thus over a few generations it became impossible for all the descendants to live and work that small farm, forcing some of them to seek other opportunities. The other issue was the closure of a number of coal mines, putting a lot of miners out of work. I'm not sure why they closed, maybe they had run out of coal? Meanwhile in Queensland, there was a huge demand for workers especially on farms and there was pressure put on the government to encourage immigration. However, not all immigrants were equally welcomed by the employers. There were already a lot of Irish immigrants and they were not so popular with employers, who found them lazy, dirty, and drunken and many of them came from cities and knew little about farming. And worst of all, they were Catholic! However, the Germans who had already immigrated to Queensland in the early 1800s were generally seen as hardworking, sober and reliable farming folk, and as an added bonus, they were mostly Protestants! So, the Qld government engaged immigration agents in Germany specifically to attract more German immigration. And cheap land deals were often part of the "carrot" to get people to immigrate. So given the demand for farm workers in Queensland and the ready supply of cheap land and the motivations for Germans to leave Germany including the over-crowding on their farms, it is little wonder we saw so much German immigration to Qld in the late 1800s with a view to taking up farming. Now, I don't want to swear that all of this info came from that one book. It's probably a mish-mash of information I got from a number of sources, but I hope it helps to explain that boom in German immigration to Qld in the late 1800s, that many of us are descended from. As for why we didn't get told so much about our German ancestors, I think the answer comes down to World War 1. While Germans were in favour in Qld in the 1800s, things changed with World War 1. There were internments of German residents here in Australia, towns were renamed etc. Also the sons and grandsons of German immigrants went off in the Australian armed forces to fight against Germany. Even holding Lutheran church services in German was seen as suspicious. It was hardly a good time to be trying to encourage children to take an interest in their German ancestry. And then a generation later there was World War 2. So I suspect sharing your pride in your German ancestry with your Australian children and grandchildren wasn't so easy in the early 1900s. And as many of us know, when you are young, you don't want to know about your ancestry. It's not until you get older yourself, you start to take an interest in these things and, sadly, you've often lost your older generations who might have told you. Kerry

Albert I lived in West St just around the corner from the Gowrie Rd Hotel You are right in thinking that Gowrie Rd started at West St...but by the time I was born, it started at Holberton. Yes Black Gully crossed Gowrie Rd diagonally at about Tor St [ I got dumped by my pony trying to jump the creek...but that's another story] Farms in Gowrie Rd on the Southern side would have backed down onto the creek...their water supply . It certainly would be in the vicinity of the aerodrome which cuts across Greenwattle Street, dividing it into 2. Judy PS Caught the Gowrie Rd bus to school. > There was sopme discussion about Greenwattle Street in Toowoomba. > I have since then noted htta the family home referred to Greenwattle > Ridge > and not street. That got me interested especially as it also mentioned > Black > Gully. > Now I thght that Black Guilkly was the area crossing Tor Street and > Bdrideg > Street cornwers and then flowing dowbn to jopin Gowire Creek at Mort > Styreet. > So I have doen abit of research and maybe it might itnerst optehrs > what I > leanred. > Mind you the peorsn givng me this information led me astray once > before and > I made a proper gig of myself. However this time I think he is almost > correct. > What I learn is: > Prior to about 1912-approx give it ten years either way, Gowrie Road > started > at West Street. Older people will remember the Gowrie Road Hotel was > near > West Street. I remember as a kid asking why it was called that when it > was > nearly in West Street and being told not to be so stupid. The answer > was > logical but for me not until recent years. I now know that I was not > the > only one to ever ask that question. Wonder what answer the others were > given. > Also there used to be a bus service that started at Holberton Street > and was > called the Gowrie Rood Bus. > In that time the Gowrie Shire existed and it started at West Street > but I am > unsure how far it went out or what were its boundaries. So Gowrie Road > was > the main road of the shire. > So a person could have lived on Gowrie Road in the 1800s and been no > where > near Wilsontopn. Fascinating I thought. > In my day Gowrie road started at Greenwattle Street. Until then it was > Bridge Street. > So from what I can make of what I am now told from a map is that > Greenwattle > Ridge was actually the area where the aerodrome now is. > The family Bleich who whereabouts started this must have had their > farm on > the town side of the aerodrome. > I have asked a person living in Toowoomba who can get access to > subdivisions > of that era to try and locate the block. > It seems then that Greenwattle Ridge was actually a suburb/district > and that > maybe Wilsonton either overtook the area or adjoined it. > It is difficult to identify these things from Melbourne but I would > love to > know just where it actually was. > The general description that I have of their home suggests that it > could be > anywhere between the aerodrome and Tor Street on the north side of > Warrego > Highway. > Open to any other thoughts. > Albert Grulke in sunny dry Melbourne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of norm > bourguignon > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 2:26 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Diaries & Journals 1860's > > I wish> Good to see you are still enthusiastic and I'm looking > forward to > the finished product. Gaylene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noel & Del Bergman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Diaries & Journals 1860's > > >> Hi List, >> >> We are researching the 1865 voyage of the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" >> from Hamburg to Moreton Bay. >> >> We know of one diary about the voyage written 50 years later, but >> does anyone know of any other accounts of the voyage or other >> voyages around that time. >> >> Looking forward to hearing from some of you. >> >> Regards >> >> Noel & Del Bergman >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who >> migrated to > >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ NOD32 2630 (20071031) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who > migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who > migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There was sopme discussion about Greenwattle Street in Toowoomba. I have since then noted htta the family home referred to Greenwattle Ridge and not street. That got me interested especially as it also mentioned Black Gully. Now I thght that Black Guilkly was the area crossing Tor Street and Bdrideg Street cornwers and then flowing dowbn to jopin Gowire Creek at Mort Styreet. So I have doen abit of research and maybe it might itnerst optehrs what I leanred. Mind you the peorsn givng me this information led me astray once before and I made a proper gig of myself. However this time I think he is almost correct. What I learn is: Prior to about 1912-approx give it ten years either way, Gowrie Road started at West Street. Older people will remember the Gowrie Road Hotel was near West Street. I remember as a kid asking why it was called that when it was nearly in West Street and being told not to be so stupid. The answer was logical but for me not until recent years. I now know that I was not the only one to ever ask that question. Wonder what answer the others were given. Also there used to be a bus service that started at Holberton Street and was called the Gowrie Rood Bus. In that time the Gowrie Shire existed and it started at West Street but I am unsure how far it went out or what were its boundaries. So Gowrie Road was the main road of the shire. So a person could have lived on Gowrie Road in the 1800s and been no where near Wilsontopn. Fascinating I thought. In my day Gowrie road started at Greenwattle Street. Until then it was Bridge Street. So from what I can make of what I am now told from a map is that Greenwattle Ridge was actually the area where the aerodrome now is. The family Bleich who whereabouts started this must have had their farm on the town side of the aerodrome. I have asked a person living in Toowoomba who can get access to subdivisions of that era to try and locate the block. It seems then that Greenwattle Ridge was actually a suburb/district and that maybe Wilsonton either overtook the area or adjoined it. It is difficult to identify these things from Melbourne but I would love to know just where it actually was. The general description that I have of their home suggests that it could be anywhere between the aerodrome and Tor Street on the north side of Warrego Highway. Open to any other thoughts. Albert Grulke in sunny dry Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of norm bourguignon Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 2:26 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Diaries & Journals 1860's I wish> Good to see you are still enthusiastic and I'm looking forward to the finished product. Gaylene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel & Del Bergman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Diaries & Journals 1860's > Hi List, > > We are researching the 1865 voyage of the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" > from Hamburg to Moreton Bay. > > We know of one diary about the voyage written 50 years later, but > does anyone know of any other accounts of the voyage or other > voyages around that time. > > Looking forward to hearing from some of you. > > Regards > > Noel & Del Bergman > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2630 (20071031) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Albert, My German family WENCK were from Schleswig-Holstein, not Pomerania. They arrived in Queensland in 1879 as free nominated passengers. They settled in Minden. There was already a married sister of Reimer Wenck in Queensland, so that may have been one reason for emigrating, but they came when their oldest son was 17 and his mother said none of her sons were going to be cannon fodder so the issue of avoiding conscription was certainly there. Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 3:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration <snip> I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged to have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other 2 followed as soon as they completed their training. I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. <snip>

Wayne, Long time since I heard from you. Good to hear. First of all I am no expert on this topic. I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged to have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other 2 followed as soon as they completed their training. I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. To my knowledge the Marburg situation goes like this: Somebody decided to cut up the land holding around Marburg and Minden into 40-acre blocks. The agent then went to Pomerania to recruit German farmers to take up the blocks and develop them. To this date I have not been able to determine who made the decision and who the agent was but I suspect from the way it was handled that it was Queensland government. At the time there was an acute land shortage in Pomerania. Very often the eldest or youngest son stayed in Pomerania and the other sons were encouraged to migrate. The Queensland government took full advantage of this. When the migrant arrived in Brisbane he went to a hostel at either Kangaroo Point or Eaglehawk near Beenleigh. It appears that the land was not allotted until after the migrant was actually on Queensland soil. >From what I can gather they spent on average about 4 months at the hostel. I am interested in the comment that they were proud to show off their Franco-Prussian medals. It intrigues me that our German ancestors in Queensland were proud of their German ancestry yet they never shared it with us. One gets snippets like this but no detail. I would love to know why. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wayne bunning Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 9:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration Hi Albert, I have found your article very interesting, can you assist me by explaining the connection of the reluctance of Germans to fight in Europe and their preference to immigrate to escape conscription. >From my experience with my family in the Marburg area, the reason for immigration was purely opportunity for economic reasons. I have found no one yet whose ancestor left for conscription reasons. My great grandfather and other Germans of the Marburg region were quite proud to display their Franco Prussian medals etc. Whereas I know that some did immigrate to escape conscription, I suspect it was a small percentage. Kind regards Wayne > From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration > > >> The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many >> years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen years >> ago >> I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. >> To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that >> seem >> to have developed. >> First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to >> any >> state but South Australia in the 19th century. >> There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. >> The >> total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They >> came >> under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of >> perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the main >> members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia >> although Saxony gets a fair mention. >> It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we >> examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see >> that >> family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. >> In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question that >> almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In >> fact >> if one traces their families down the line we can see those same >> religious >> concerns being promoted as late as 2007. >> After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, >> Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia >> did >> play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have >> researched >> I find family or opportunity was the motivator. >> In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was >> relatively >> small compared to NSW and Queensland. >> Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from >> Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were >> probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed >> south >> from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from >> Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. >> I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few >> German >> settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. >> Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I >> know >> that threat was a small German migration to that state. >> New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had >> never >> been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me >> to >> ask lots of questions. >> The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW >> well >> before any vines wert grown in South Australia. >> The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine >> regions >> from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there was >> a >> huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. >> These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. >> There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, >> west >> of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. >> They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they were >> sponsored by employers and in some case by government. >> What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German >> ancestry >> seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get >> people >> even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. >> The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other >> states combined. >> I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or >> maybe >> three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay >> administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern >> Germany >> and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds >> and >> farm hands for the station owners. >> Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents across >> the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up land >> selections. >> Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the >> 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the same >> places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this >> time >> the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to >> migrate. >> I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have given >> a >> very broad answer to Pam's query. >> I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in >> migration to Queensland. >> Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a >> number >> of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit migrants. >> Hope this helps answer a little bit. >> Albert Grulke >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae >> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >> >> Hi Pamela >> >> There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German >> list. >> Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German >> religious ministers to bring >> people from the homeland to Australia. >> >> >> >> Lorrae >> Glenore Grove Qld 4342 >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >> >> Researching: >> WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. >> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ >> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 >> From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German >> immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or the >> social history behind this please? >> >> Regards >> Pam >> >> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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Hi Albert, I have found your article very interesting, can you assist me by explaining the connection of the reluctance of Germans to fight in Europe and their preference to immigrate to escape conscription. >From my experience with my family in the Marburg area, the reason for immigration was purely opportunity for economic reasons. I have found no one yet whose ancestor left for conscription reasons. My great grandfather and other Germans of the Marburg region were quite proud to display their Franco Prussian medals etc. Whereas I know that some did immigrate to escape conscription, I suspect it was a small percentage. Kind regards Wayne > From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration > > >> The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many >> years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen years >> ago >> I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. >> To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that >> seem >> to have developed. >> First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to >> any >> state but South Australia in the 19th century. >> There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. >> The >> total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They >> came >> under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of >> perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the main >> members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia >> although Saxony gets a fair mention. >> It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we >> examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see >> that >> family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. >> In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question that >> almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In >> fact >> if one traces their families down the line we can see those same >> religious >> concerns being promoted as late as 2007. >> After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, >> Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia >> did >> play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have >> researched >> I find family or opportunity was the motivator. >> In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was >> relatively >> small compared to NSW and Queensland. >> Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from >> Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were >> probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed >> south >> from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from >> Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. >> I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few >> German >> settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. >> Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I >> know >> that threat was a small German migration to that state. >> New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had >> never >> been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me >> to >> ask lots of questions. >> The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW >> well >> before any vines wert grown in South Australia. >> The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine >> regions >> from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there was >> a >> huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. >> These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. >> There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, >> west >> of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. >> They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they were >> sponsored by employers and in some case by government. >> What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German >> ancestry >> seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get >> people >> even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. >> The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other >> states combined. >> I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or >> maybe >> three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay >> administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern >> Germany >> and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds >> and >> farm hands for the station owners. >> Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents across >> the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up land >> selections. >> Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the >> 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the same >> places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this >> time >> the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to >> migrate. >> I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have given >> a >> very broad answer to Pam's query. >> I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in >> migration to Queensland. >> Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a >> number >> of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit migrants. >> Hope this helps answer a little bit. >> Albert Grulke >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae >> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >> >> Hi Pamela >> >> There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German >> list. >> Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German >> religious ministers to bring >> people from the homeland to Australia. >> >> >> >> Lorrae >> Glenore Grove Qld 4342 >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >> >> Researching: >> WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. >> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ >> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 >> From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German >> immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or the >> social history behind this please? >> >> Regards >> Pam >> >> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen years ago I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that seem to have developed. First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to any state but South Australia in the 19th century. There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. The total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They came under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the main members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia although Saxony gets a fair mention. It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see that family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question that almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In fact if one traces their families down the line we can see those same religious concerns being promoted as late as 2007. After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia did play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have researched I find family or opportunity was the motivator. In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was relatively small compared to NSW and Queensland. Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed south from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few German settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I know that threat was a small German migration to that state. New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had never been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me to ask lots of questions. The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW well before any vines wert grown in South Australia. The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine regions from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there was a huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, west of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they were sponsored by employers and in some case by government. What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German ancestry seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get people even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other states combined. I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or maybe three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern Germany and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds and farm hands for the station owners. Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents across the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up land selections. Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the same places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this time the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to migrate. I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have given a very broad answer to Pam's query. I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in migration to Queensland. Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a number of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit migrants. Hope this helps answer a little bit. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:aus-qld-se-[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration Hi Pamela There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German list. Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German religious ministers to bring people from the homeland to Australia. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich Researching: WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or the social history behind this please? Regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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When was Wilsonton School opened? I thought it was in the late 1880s. I suggest that the Bleich children were all married before it opened. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2007 7:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Greenwattle Ridge Toowoomba Hi Del & Noel I found from the entry for Samuel Bleich in the T&DDFHS book 'Darling Downs Biographical Register to 1900' Samuel and Louisa lived Greenwattle Ridge off Gowrie Road Toowoomba in the Black Gully area. Therefore Judy is quite correct in suggesting the children may have gone to Wilsonton school. I am at home, so haven't looked at the Wilsonton records. Cheers Marionne A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You will find that the majority of German migrants to NSW in the 1850s came via London. They were transported from Bremen and Hamburg to London where final arrangements were completed to enable them to migrate. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m robinson Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 4:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Travel from Germany to Australia Hi Anne, just checked your site and came across Barbeler Surname, my husband has barbelers in his family . A lot of his familysettled in Finch Hatton Qld. are they related. Thanks June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perplexed" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Travel from Germany to Australia > My gg grandparents also arrived from London. They went to NSW (Morpeth) > in > 1849 on the Parland. There were a number of German families who travelled > on that ship to work in the NSW vineyards. You can see them at: > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/2299/parland1849.html > > > Anne > > > .... >> We were surprised to read that one of the families, the Windolf family >> emigrated on the ship Gauntlet which arrived in Moreton Bay on the >> 20th February 1878 and that the family came Indirect. They travelled >> from Hamburg to London on the "Martin" and then changed ships to >> the "Gauntlet". At that time it was more common for people to >> emigrate using the Direct shipping method from Hamburg or Bremen >> and it was only after 1880 that Indirect became the norm. >> >> Has anyone else found instances where before 1880, their family >> emigrated Indirect. >> > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: > 11/3/2007 9:42 PM > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a loooong shot! The Civil & Ecclesiastical Records were destroyed in Allied Bombings of Sindringen during WW2. Although I have asked on German Lists, without success, the thought ocurred that some descendants from German families from these areas just may have a copy of the Family Books, etc., listings names and details of families. I among others, would be appreciative of any successful feedback. Regards Albert

Hi Anne, just checked your site and came across Barbeler Surname, my husband has barbelers in his family . A lot of his familysettled in Finch Hatton Qld. are they related. Thanks June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perplexed" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Travel from Germany to Australia > My gg grandparents also arrived from London. They went to NSW (Morpeth) > in > 1849 on the Parland. There were a number of German families who travelled > on that ship to work in the NSW vineyards. You can see them at: > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/2299/parland1849.html > > > Anne > > > .... >> We were surprised to read that one of the families, the Windolf family >> emigrated on the ship Gauntlet which arrived in Moreton Bay on the >> 20th February 1878 and that the family came Indirect. They travelled >> from Hamburg to London on the "Martin" and then changed ships to >> the "Gauntlet". At that time it was more common for people to >> emigrate using the Direct shipping method from Hamburg or Bremen >> and it was only after 1880 that Indirect became the norm. >> >> Has anyone else found instances where before 1880, their family >> emigrated Indirect. >> > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: > 11/3/2007 9:42 PM >

I have just had a phone call telling me that the other piggery was owned a man named Hudson. Apparently you are several years later than me. We left the farm in about 1952 and I left Toowoomba in 1954 and apart from 2 short stints at Cabarlah in the 1960s I have never lived there since. Trips to Toowoomba are for short family visits. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of norm bourguignon Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 10:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Book Inquiry Albert, the piggery I remember was owned by Nev Fowler and there was another one. At this time they were being housed intensively with a very scientific diet of grain, vitamins and minerals etc - no scraps allowed. Gaylene ----- Original Message ----- From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Book Inquiry >I have just read the several emails on this subject. > First of all I am interested if any body has information on the Bliech > family as they occur in two family groups that I am researching. To add to > that they were great grandparents of my wife but she knows nought of them. > Second Greenwattle Street now we lived right near there when I was a boy > and my father used to gather milk from farmers in Greenwattle Street. He > had > a bulk milk run to the factory from Gowrie Junction areas and Wilsonton. > Greenwattle Street used to run from the Cemetery passed the town side of > thr > aerodrome and came to a sudden halt just north of Bridge Street. When I > was > in Toowoomba recently my cousin took me to Gowrie Junction vie Greenwattle > Street and they have now extended it . The area between Taylor and Bridge > Streets was closed off to extend the aerodrome. I think that happened in > the > 1960s. I have a vague idea that when I returned from Vietnam it was closed > then. I came back to Toowoomba to get my family before we came south where > I > have been ever since. > Our farm touched into Greenwattle Street in the areas that was a scrub and > is now a wending road. > It is certainly a long way from Charlton although the highway now goes > through there. In my day it went via Taylor Street. > I can almost remember the names of every person living in Greenwattle > Street > at that time but have no0 recollection of Bleich. > I am interested that somebody has a roll of students attending Wilsonton > School. I wonder when from and if she can look up some names for me. > Fascinating to be taken back like this. > I think that Hogg Street was further down toward Rockville. It may now > connect to Greenwattle Street but if my memory is correct it also run onto > a > scrub before Tor Street. > The piggeries that have been mentioned were in fact in Gowrie Road about > three kilometres west of Greenwattle Street owned by Percy Morgan, In > Boundary Road owned by Adam Knauth and in Boundary Road and Taylor Street > owned by George Ciesolka. I think there was another one in Hogg Street but > cannot recall the owner's name. It was only a small one compared to the > others. > Adam Knauth used to go to all the hotels, cafes (restaurants) and any > householder who engaged him. He did a daily and weekly run collecting the > kitchen waste for his pigs. > George Ciesolka and the bloke in Hogg Street used to collect the whey from > the cheese factory. He had a truck with a tank on it and would go to the > factory each morning to collect his whey and buttermilk. > I forget what Percy Morgan gathered but think it might have been both whey > , > buttermilk and kitchen refuge. > Hope this is of interest > Alberta Grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Noel & Del > Bergman > Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2007 3:17 PM > To: Gloria Mattingley; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Book Inquiry > > Hi Gloria, > > We aren't sure if there has been a book written on the La Rochelle, but > there is a lot of information in the books Emigrants from Hamburg > series written by Eric and Rosemary Kopittke. The whole collection is > now available on CD from the Qld Family History Society. It contains > the passenger list of the voyage, age of the person, last place of > residence and occupation, the date of departure from Hamburg, > information on the ship itself, it also contains newspaper reports > about the voyage and in the case of the La Rochelle in 1865, there are > many. > > We have also heard there are extracts from a diary written by the > Supertendant Stuart Beach on Dunwich where the ship was held in > quarantine. > > Hope this is helpful > > Regards > > Noel & Del Bergman > > From: "Gloria Mattingley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:21:44 +1000 > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Book Inquiry > Send reply to: [email protected] > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > I am after a book on the Immigration ship La Rochelle which sailed > from Germany to Australia in 1865. 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Hi Marionne, Thank you, it also gives us another avenue for looking for information on the Bleich family. Regards Noel & Del Date sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:20:20 +1100 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Greenwattle Ridge Toowoomba Send reply to: [email protected] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Hi Del & Noel I found from the entry for Samuel Bleich in the T&DDFHS book 'Darling Downs Biographical Register to 1900' Samuel and Louisa lived Greenwattle Ridge off Gowrie Road Toowoomba in the Black Gully area. Therefore Judy is quite correct in suggesting the children may have gone to Wilsonton school. I am at home, so haven't looked at the Wilsonton records. Cheers Marionne A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just read the several emails on this subject. First of all I am interested if any body has information on the Bliech family as they occur in two family groups that I am researching. To add to that they were great grandparents of my wife but she knows nought of them. Second Greenwattle Street now we lived right near there when I was a boy and my father used to gather milk from farmers in Greenwattle Street. He had a bulk milk run to the factory from Gowrie Junction areas and Wilsonton. Greenwattle Street used to run from the Cemetery passed the town side of thr aerodrome and came to a sudden halt just north of Bridge Street. When I was in Toowoomba recently my cousin took me to Gowrie Junction vie Greenwattle Street and they have now extended it . The area between Taylor and Bridge Streets was closed off to extend the aerodrome. I think that happened in the 1960s. I have a vague idea that when I returned from Vietnam it was closed then. I came back to Toowoomba to get my family before we came south where I have been ever since. Our farm touched into Greenwattle Street in the areas that was a scrub and is now a wending road. It is certainly a long way from Charlton although the highway now goes through there. In my day it went via Taylor Street. I can almost remember the names of every person living in Greenwattle Street at that time but have no0 recollection of Bleich. I am interested that somebody has a roll of students attending Wilsonton School. I wonder when from and if she can look up some names for me. Fascinating to be taken back like this. I think that Hogg Street was further down toward Rockville. It may now connect to Greenwattle Street but if my memory is correct it also run onto a scrub before Tor Street. The piggeries that have been mentioned were in fact in Gowrie Road about three kilometres west of Greenwattle Street owned by Percy Morgan, In Boundary Road owned by Adam Knauth and in Boundary Road and Taylor Street owned by George Ciesolka. I think there was another one in Hogg Street but cannot recall the owner's name. It was only a small one compared to the others. Adam Knauth used to go to all the hotels, cafes (restaurants) and any householder who engaged him. He did a daily and weekly run collecting the kitchen waste for his pigs. George Ciesolka and the bloke in Hogg Street used to collect the whey from the cheese factory. He had a truck with a tank on it and would go to the factory each morning to collect his whey and buttermilk. I forget what Percy Morgan gathered but think it might have been both whey , buttermilk and kitchen refuge. Hope this is of interest Alberta Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2007 3:17 PM To: Gloria Mattingley; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Book Inquiry Hi Gloria, We aren't sure if there has been a book written on the La Rochelle, but there is a lot of information in the books Emigrants from Hamburg series written by Eric and Rosemary Kopittke. The whole collection is now available on CD from the Qld Family History Society. It contains the passenger list of the voyage, age of the person, last place of residence and occupation, the date of departure from Hamburg, information on the ship itself, it also contains newspaper reports about the voyage and in the case of the La Rochelle in 1865, there are many. We have also heard there are extracts from a diary written by the Supertendant Stuart Beach on Dunwich where the ship was held in quarantine. Hope this is helpful Regards Noel & Del Bergman From: "Gloria Mattingley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:21:44 +1000 Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Book Inquiry Send reply to: [email protected] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] I am after a book on the Immigration ship La Rochelle which sailed from Germany to Australia in 1865. Could someone tell me if it is available please. Thanks, Gloria. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message