Yes Nell Many have the same type of story. My maternal great-grandmother, Marcella Ada HAYES, was a direct descendants of six convicts - yes, all her ancestors arrived in this country in chains, a real colonial lass. However, in 1890, she married Franz HELMRICH - from Neustadt Orla, Saxe Weimer, Germany now known as "07806, Neustadt an der Orla, Thuringa, Germany", and they had 8 children. He was naturalised in 1910 in Mackay, and they separated by 1912 (before the war) when he went to Fiji without her. In 1922, Marcella wanted to buy land, but foreigners could not own land - they had to be naturalised - and she had to prove that her deserted husband had been naturalised - "He disappeared about the year 1912 and has not been heard of since. His wife desires to obtain a transfer of certain real estate in Queensland into her own name, but is unable to obtain registration without production of evidence of her husband's nationality" At that time, if the man was naturalised, then so too was the wife.. She eventually returned to the Hawkesbury district and is buried at Rookwood. I never did find the land deeds in her name. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Schemioneck, Nell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Germans in the war years A very interesting read is the documentation at the NAA on my husband's great grandmother, Mary Anne Schemioneck (nee Smith). Just put Schemioneck in the search, you won't be overwhelmed by responses.

Hi Folks Here is a relative of mine - or rather, he married my great-grandmother's niece: Arthur Charles WIRTH Also registered as: August Carl Frederick WERTH birth registered twice with different names - same number Born: 29 December 1891 Helidon, Qld, Aust Father: Carl Friedrich Wilhelm WERTH Mother: Minnie GIGLER He married as Arthur Charles Fredrich WIRTH His WW1 record shows him as serving: Arthur Charles WIRTH Regimental number 4917 Religion Church of England Occupation Grocer Address Helidon, Queensland Marital status Single Age at embarkation 23 Next of kin Father, F Wirth, Helidon, Queensland Enlistment date 24 September 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 9th Battalion, 15th Reinforcement AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/26/4 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Brisbane, Queensland, on board HMAT A73 Commonwealth on 28 March 1916 Rank from Nominal Roll Corporal Unit from Nominal Roll 31st Battalion Fate Returned to Australia 21 March 1919 I would be interested in hearing from anyone with him in their family database. Thanks. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

Hi everybody, With all the discussion re Greenwattle Street, Toowoomba - I live in Toowoomba and can confirm the information so far distributed by the emails.............Greenwattle Ridge was an early name given to the north western ridge of land running in the NW direction of Toowoomba towards Gowrie Junction and Gowrie Little Plains from the centre of town. West Creek, and Gowrie Creek flow through it to the north and Spring Creek flows along Black Gully to the west when we have water............................for a detailed look at the street layout go to http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Toowoomba,+QLD,+Australia&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title and you will see street maps of Toowoomba.................email me if you need further information....................................JC

Hi Albert Australian born but still German!! Consider today's youth of our cities - they can still be 2nd and 3rd generation (or even more) Australian born, but they are still labelled as Indian, Italian, Chinese or whatever their ancestors were. The hate crimes that happened in the Sydney suburbs were committed by Australian born youth, but they did not consider themselves Australians, they took their grandfather's nationality - or their 'home country'. "I was born here, this is my home" - but our anscestors did not embrace the Australian language (english), the Australian ways or customs, they brought their own customs and clung to them for several generations - including their religion - Lutheran and Apostolic are just two of the religions from Germany that are still practiced today. Consider today's attitude to those who do not 'assimilate' and perhaps you can begin to see why there was mass fear of the Germans of WW1 and WW2 era. Have we learnt anything over the last 90 years? We feared the Germans of WW1 and the Germans and Italians of WW2; the Koreans of the 1950's; Chinese and Vietnamese of the 1960's; Russians and Chinese from the cold war era; and now the Arabs who are Muslims, who come to this great country of ours, but will not accept our ways, our customs, our ideals. All of us have ancestors who were born overseas, as there are very few full blooded Aboriginals left in this country. But we are Australians and should be prepared to protect and defend this country from attack and we fear all too often that the attack will come from within. We have leaders, politicans, teachers, tradesmen, labourer, etc of every nationality, and we are Australian. Thus why the fear of the Germans in WW1 and WW2. The fear of the unknown fellow next door. (This is not my belief, but an explanation of reasoning by todays' standards for the treatment of our German ancestors of WW1 and WW2). My own father-in-law never seen the purpose of being Naturalised, and two of his five sons are still not naturalised, but they all consider themselves Australians!! Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: albert grulke [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in Brisbane

From: "Maureen Arthur" wrote: > > > would Wilhelm have been sent to some type of camp in WWI just because he was of German birth? >>>>>>> and I was wondering if the same happened to Germans during WWI. > > And if they were, where did they go, and do any registers survive? > Maureen - I found the following on NAA site. Di R. Series links for series D3597 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Related series 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1916 BP230/11, Indexes of aliens interned 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1919 D2375, Index cards to Prisoners-of-War (internees), 4th Military District, alphabetical series 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1919 MP1565/2, Alphabetical nominal roll of internees either captured in Australia, or captured elsewhere and held in Australia. 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1919 MP1565/3, Lists of internees 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1921 K565, Album of identification photographs of enemy aliens (civilian and prisoner of war) interned at Liverpool Camp, NSW during World War I (with index) 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1921 PP246/2, Registers of internees and prisoners of war (1914/18 & 1939/45 wars) 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1921 SP421/5, Index to album of identification photographs of enemy aliens (civilian and prisoner of war) interned at Liverpool Camp, NSW during World War I 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1921 P1, Album of identification photographs of enemy aliens [civilian and prisoner of war] interned at Liverpool Camp, NSW during World War I [with index] 1 Jan 1915 - 31 Dec 1921 SP421/4, Album of identification photographs of enemy aliens (civilian and prisoner of war) interned at Liverpool Camp, NSW during World War I 1 Jan 1919 - 31 Dec 1919 C440, Register of World War I Internees in NSW Primary description Series notes

Subject: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in Brisbane Maureen Arthur wrote: > > My question is this - would Wilhelm have been sent to some type of camp in WWI just because he was of German birth? . > > And if they were, where did they go, and do any registers survive? Following may be of interest. Di Over 350 'enemy aliens' were interned at the Torrens Island Concentration Camp which opened on 9 October 1914. Internment in Australia was regulated by the War Precautions Act 1914. Internees were mainly of German or Austro-Hungarian background, including some who were naturalised British citizens. Some internees were crew members of enemy nationality who were taken from ships in Australian ports. In South Australia, a relatively high percentage of migrants were of German background, and so the 'enemy alien' concept had a significant effect. Not all were held as internees in camps; some were required to report to local police on a regular basis. Torrens Island Internment Camp '... had by far the worst reputation of all internment camps in the Commonwealth' [Fischer, G. Enemy aliens, p. 194] with primitive living conditions and harsh ill-treatment of prisoners. The third issue of Der Kamerad reported that captured escapees had been flogged. After the findings of a court of enquiry into this treatment of internees was submitted, the Defence Department closed the camp on 16 August 1915. The federal government had also decided to close regional camps that had been set up in the early years of the war. Many prisoners, including South Australian internees, were transferred to Holdsworthy camp near Liverpool in New South Wales. Subjects a.. Torrens Island Internment Camp S Aust b.. World War 1914 1918 Prisoners And Prisons Australian Further reading a.. The German experience of Australia 1833-1938 / Ian Harmstorf (editor), Peter Schwerdtfeger (technical editor). [Bedford Park, S. Aust.] : The Australian Association of von Humboldt Fellows, The Flinders University of South Australia, 1988 b.. Fischer, Gerhard. Enemy aliens: internment and the homefront experience in Australia, 1914-1920. St. Lucia, Qld.: University of Queensland Press, 1989 c.. Holmes, Elisa. The attitudes towards South Australians of German descent during World War I. Cabbages and kings: selected essays in history and Australian studies, vol. 22 (1993), pp.3-17 d.. Paech, David O. Persecution, detention and internment of Lutherans (in South Australia) in two world wars : a dark spot in Australia's century of federation. [Klemzig, S. Aust. : David O. Paech], 2001 e.. Insights into South Australian history . Adelaide: Historical Society of South Australia, <1992>- v. 2. South Australia's German history and heritage / [edited by] Ian A. Harmstorf. pp. 7-10. 'When Torrens Island was a concentration camp.' f.. Index to aliens 1914-1918 [microform] / compiled by Helen D. Harris. Forest Hill, Vic.: Harriland Press, 2003] Links a.. German Australia : First World War ; Internment of Germans in Australia during WWI b.. South Australians at war: Prisoners of war c.. Manning Index of South Australian history: World War One: Germans in Australia d.. National Archives of Australia: Fact sheet 171: WW I internee, alien and POW records held in Sydney

What an interesting little anecdote Nell.. and what drama your husband's great grandmother's was put through just to buy her chosen piece of land... I just wonder if she invited those who complained, to the Housewarming when she got settled. :-)) Cheers Gay .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schemioneck, Nell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Germans in the war years >A very interesting read is the documentation at the NAA on my husband's > great grandmother, Mary Anne Schemioneck (nee Smith). Just put > Schemioneck in the search, you won't be overwhelmed by responses. > >

A very interesting read is the documentation at the NAA on my husband's great grandmother, Mary Anne Schemioneck (nee Smith). Just put Schemioneck in the search, you won't be overwhelmed by responses. Briefly, after her husband died Mary Anne wanted to buy a block of land at Sandgate. Mary Anne had married German-born Carl in 1891. Carl was naturalised in 1892 (and was always known as Charles, rather than Carl). Charles died in 1941 and Mary Anne wanted to buy a block of land next to her son. Somebody was obviously worried about this woman with the German name wanting to buy land. The NAA documents start with a stat dec dated 25 June stating that she was born in Australia, married to a German who was later naturalised, has nine children (one of whom was rejected on medical grounds for duty in WW1), has three sons-in-law who served, supports the Red Cross, Comforts Fund and Red Shield, but doesn't have any war bonds. The file basically questions whether the widow of an enemy alien (said enemy alien lived here for 65 of his 75 years, 49 of them as a citizen) comes within the definition of "a naturalised person of enemy origin" under National Security (Land Transfer) Regulations. It passes through the hands of the Commonwealth Investigations Branch (Qld and Canberra), Northern Command, the Police, the Attorney General's Department, the Conveyancer of the Supreme Court of Queensland and the Solicitor General before she is finally granted approval to buy the land on 13 December. I guess you can't be too careful! On the other side of the family, I had heard anecdotes that my mother's family changed their name during the war and some members were interned. But this seems to be incorrect. Franz Baunach was known as Frank Bannah from soon after he arrived in 1854. I've enjoyed this discussion. BTW I've just started working with a woman whose parents came from Germany to New South Wales in the 1950s. She says that she is amazed at how much German heritage there is in Queensland. She said that growing up in and around Sydney she didn't see many Germans or hear German names. Nell Schemioneck Brisbane

Chris The present discussion on German Immigration is proving to be very interesting. In you latest posting you mentioned your great-grandfather Georg KOCH. Do you know of any connection to Otto KOCH born 6 Jun 1882 in Adeleaide, died 1957 married Metha ANDERSEN Children - Othal Ludwig, Marcus, Cyril, Ira, Elizabeth and Marjorie Cheers Bob

Hi I would like to comment further on Albert's post. There was definitely a lot of anti-German sentiment during World War II and WW I. I am lucky in that my ancestors come from two different states and I can compare the experience that comes out of the states. In South Australia during World War I, all the primary schools run by the Lutheran Church were closed and their were some internments. These schools still taught German and this was unaccepted. My grandmothers older brothers and sister that were attending Martin Luther School that was attached to Bethlehem Lutheran Church, where my great-grandfather had been the pastor moved to Unley primary as the school was closed. At Unley Primary one of their teachers was their maternal Uncle son of a immigrant from Posen in Prussia! My grandmother and her brother and sisters would walk down the street and be teased and ridiculed and called "Huns". All German borns had to register- even my great-grandfather Georg KOCH whose parents emigrated to America when he was 10. He came to Australia in his early 20s. One of the teachers and professors at Concordia Lutheran College, Henry Hamann Senior, forgot to register as he was supposed to and almost was deported. He had grown up in America and came over here to work in the Lutheran Church here and at the time this happened was a actually an American citizen. However, the son of a Lutheran minister, who was then a lawyer in Adelaide, by the name of Martin KRIEWALDT, intervened, appealed to the American embassy. Martin later became Chief Justice of the Northern Territory. This saved him as the Americans, our allies were not impressed about deporting an American citizen. He discusses the anti-German feeling and this in his auto-biography of which I have an abridged version that was published in a Year Book of the Lutheran Church of Australia 20 years ago or so. In fact, I think the KRIEWALDT family is a case in point.Pastor KRIEWALDT had come over from America to Australia. Because of the treatment of the Germans in Australia and not just the Germans but those of German descent, he went back to America. His family later came back to Australia. I have a lot more thoughts and experiences from family history. I also have a lot of personal experiences right up into high school and later in the 1980s of ridicule I experienced because my father was born in Germany. But all this will have to wait for another time. My mother is of German descent but my father was actually born there. I think it is only in the 1990s that the Australians of German descent could start to hold their head high and be proud of their heritage and were recognised for their contribution to our history, society and economy. Regards Chris --- albert grulke <[email protected]> wrote: > The question of treatment of Germans during WW1 and > to a less extent during > WW2 interests me. > This interest has been enhanced by a suggestion made > in recent days that the > reason we were told so little by our grandparents > relates to their treatment > during WW1. This makes good sense to me and I intend > to pursue it further. > In relation to Maureen's question it seems to be a > disoriented situation. In > other words there seems to be no pattern on how > things happened. > I found six Lutheran pastors were interned. On > investigation I found that > all six had done their training in Germany and all > six left Australia for > Germany as soon as they were released. > A few years ago I read a book about the interment > camps in NSW. I was > horrified to think that Australians treated > Australians as they did. What > made it more ridiculous was that most if not all of > those interned where > born in Australia. > It seems that there was a real fear of Germans among > the people and fear > brought strange reactions. > I know that in South Australia the German population > was a concern. They > still conducted most of their church services in > German and often spoke > German as their main language. To what extent the > speaking was practiced > seems hard to establish. In the Barossa and Hills > districts they might have > been Australian but at heart they were still German > right up into the > mid-20th century. > There are various stories about Germans in NSW. Some > stories are fantasy and > some have truth. > Queensland is where we art interested. > I have a document here where they say that a > decision was taken that if > they trumped up a charge against the community > leaders and locked them up > the rest of the Germans would bow down. As a result > the authorities went to > Goombungee and locked up their publican and local > mayor. Whether this was > necessary remains a mystery. There seemed to be no > reason other than that he > was the publican. > What makes this all the more intriguing is that many > of the Queensland > Germans joined the army and went to the war. I am > currently about to read a > book I just purchased on that subject. > My grandfather changed his name and went to > Bundaberg from Toowoomba to work > in the sugar mills. His true identity was discovered > and he was sacked so > went back to Toowoomba. I only learned of this > recently by accident. What > was not explained was whether his sacking was > because he used an alias or > because he was German or for another reason. > His brother changed his name and moved to Narrabri. > Again I cannot get an > answer as to whether that happened during or after > the war. > It does seem to me that there were not as many > internments as is believed. > It also seems to me that for every internment > another man went to France to > fight the Germans. > WW2 is also of interest. > I remember being told that one man on the downs had > 7 sons and a large > property. When the war in Europe started he divided > his property into 8 > parts and put a son on each farm. When the war in > the pacific started he > repossessed all 7 farms and had his sons join the > army. The reason given to > me was that in Europe they would be fighting against > their cousins but in > the Islands they were fighting for their homeland. > My father-in-law was interned and I have his > internment papers here. I > reckon he was the exception but if he said the > things he is alleged to have > said he was lucky to have got off as lightly as he > did. > Far too many German migrants of the 19th century > changed their names or > rather anglicised the name. Common belief is that > this happened during WW1 > and later WW2. Personally I question that belief. I > am more inclined to > believe that they began the anglicising long before > the first war. I have > followed paperwork for families and note the gradual > changes taking place. > The English-speaking public servants and teachers > had problems spelling the > names and would either anglicise it or spell it > wrong. Check how many ways > Grulke was spelt at Middle Ridge School. It is my > belief that the name > changes took place over a number of eyras. It may be > that the changed name > was affirmed during the wars. > Yesterday I was with a war widow whose husband was > Polish. Her true name is > very long and I could never spell or pronounce it. > She has shortened it to > Mills and her children use Mills as their name. I > had a navy mate a few > years back who had a long Italian name that nobody > could spell. He was > always getting into trouble with spelling and > pronouncing his name so he > dropped half the name and became Johnny Vass instead > of Johannes > Vaswhatevwer it was. > Just as these and others adopt anglicised forms of > their names today I > believe it happened during the 1800s and not > necessary because of war. I may > be wrong but that is my theory. > I reckon we could start and develop a real > discussion on the issue of > Germans during both wars. It must have been a > difficult time for all of > them. The nation was wound up in fear of something > that I cannot understand. > The men were Australian born yet they were suddenly > classed as German. > I intend to pursue this further as soon as I get a > chance and assuming I > live that long. > Albert Grulke in still dry sunny Melbourne > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Maureen Arthur > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 7:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in > Brisbane > > Hello list, > > Can someone help with information for me? I have a > Great Uncle, Wilhelm > Hoffmann, who lived in Brisbane from at least 1900 > till his death in 1946. > His partner's name was Harriet Lucy Hoffmann, who > had four children by > Wilhelm (births ranged from 1906 to 1914). > > My question is this - would Wilhelm have been sent > to some type of camp in > WWI just because he was of German birth? My mother > has told me that (not > all, but a lot of) Germans and Italians were sent > away to camps during WW2, > and I was wondering if the same happened to Germans > during WWI. > > And if they were, where did they go, and do any > registers survive? > > Thanks in advance, > > Maureen. > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and === message truncated === National Bingo Night. 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The question of treatment of Germans during WW1 and to a less extent during WW2 interests me. This interest has been enhanced by a suggestion made in recent days that the reason we were told so little by our grandparents relates to their treatment during WW1. This makes good sense to me and I intend to pursue it further. In relation to Maureen's question it seems to be a disoriented situation. In other words there seems to be no pattern on how things happened. I found six Lutheran pastors were interned. On investigation I found that all six had done their training in Germany and all six left Australia for Germany as soon as they were released. A few years ago I read a book about the interment camps in NSW. I was horrified to think that Australians treated Australians as they did. What made it more ridiculous was that most if not all of those interned where born in Australia. It seems that there was a real fear of Germans among the people and fear brought strange reactions. I know that in South Australia the German population was a concern. They still conducted most of their church services in German and often spoke German as their main language. To what extent the speaking was practiced seems hard to establish. In the Barossa and Hills districts they might have been Australian but at heart they were still German right up into the mid-20th century. There are various stories about Germans in NSW. Some stories are fantasy and some have truth. Queensland is where we art interested. I have a document here where they say that a decision was taken that if they trumped up a charge against the community leaders and locked them up the rest of the Germans would bow down. As a result the authorities went to Goombungee and locked up their publican and local mayor. Whether this was necessary remains a mystery. There seemed to be no reason other than that he was the publican. What makes this all the more intriguing is that many of the Queensland Germans joined the army and went to the war. I am currently about to read a book I just purchased on that subject. My grandfather changed his name and went to Bundaberg from Toowoomba to work in the sugar mills. His true identity was discovered and he was sacked so went back to Toowoomba. I only learned of this recently by accident. What was not explained was whether his sacking was because he used an alias or because he was German or for another reason. His brother changed his name and moved to Narrabri. Again I cannot get an answer as to whether that happened during or after the war. It does seem to me that there were not as many internments as is believed. It also seems to me that for every internment another man went to France to fight the Germans. WW2 is also of interest. I remember being told that one man on the downs had 7 sons and a large property. When the war in Europe started he divided his property into 8 parts and put a son on each farm. When the war in the pacific started he repossessed all 7 farms and had his sons join the army. The reason given to me was that in Europe they would be fighting against their cousins but in the Islands they were fighting for their homeland. My father-in-law was interned and I have his internment papers here. I reckon he was the exception but if he said the things he is alleged to have said he was lucky to have got off as lightly as he did. Far too many German migrants of the 19th century changed their names or rather anglicised the name. Common belief is that this happened during WW1 and later WW2. Personally I question that belief. I am more inclined to believe that they began the anglicising long before the first war. I have followed paperwork for families and note the gradual changes taking place. The English-speaking public servants and teachers had problems spelling the names and would either anglicise it or spell it wrong. Check how many ways Grulke was spelt at Middle Ridge School. It is my belief that the name changes took place over a number of eyras. It may be that the changed name was affirmed during the wars. Yesterday I was with a war widow whose husband was Polish. Her true name is very long and I could never spell or pronounce it. She has shortened it to Mills and her children use Mills as their name. I had a navy mate a few years back who had a long Italian name that nobody could spell. He was always getting into trouble with spelling and pronouncing his name so he dropped half the name and became Johnny Vass instead of Johannes Vaswhatevwer it was. Just as these and others adopt anglicised forms of their names today I believe it happened during the 1800s and not necessary because of war. I may be wrong but that is my theory. I reckon we could start and develop a real discussion on the issue of Germans during both wars. It must have been a difficult time for all of them. The nation was wound up in fear of something that I cannot understand. The men were Australian born yet they were suddenly classed as German. I intend to pursue this further as soon as I get a chance and assuming I live that long. Albert Grulke in still dry sunny Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maureen Arthur Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 7:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in Brisbane Hello list, Can someone help with information for me? I have a Great Uncle, Wilhelm Hoffmann, who lived in Brisbane from at least 1900 till his death in 1946. His partner's name was Harriet Lucy Hoffmann, who had four children by Wilhelm (births ranged from 1906 to 1914). My question is this - would Wilhelm have been sent to some type of camp in WWI just because he was of German birth? My mother has told me that (not all, but a lot of) Germans and Italians were sent away to camps during WW2, and I was wondering if the same happened to Germans during WWI. And if they were, where did they go, and do any registers survive? Thanks in advance, Maureen. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For those that don't know, the AIF Project is now searchable again. http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html Di

Maureen The entry below for W Hoffmann could well be your Wilhelm HOFFMANN. The fact that your Wilhelm's second name is not there is irrelevant. The access is "Open" and the year is 1915, but it has not been digitised as has records for the soldiers in WW1. If you wanted to access this file, you will find how to do so on the site Linda has given you. My Grand Uncle was born in Queensland in 1886 of German parents and enlisted in WW1. He was injured in France within days of his German cousin, who remained in Germany, being killed in action in France. I take it your Wilhelm Hoffmann was German born. Di. Title Hoffmann W Series number MP16/1 Control symbol 1915/3/416 Contents date range 1914 - 1923 Access status Open Location Melbourne Barcode 329900 "Maureen Arthur" wrote > I had a good look at the Archives > unfortunately, none of the records are for my Wilhelm. He was a cook, and > his middle name was 'Marcelle'. > Linda wrote > > The name Wilhelm Hoffmann comes up a few times on the National Archives > > site. > > http://www.naa.gov.au/ . Maureen Arthur wrote >My mother has told me that (not all, but a lot of) >Germans and Italians were sent away to camps during >WW2, and I was wondering if the same happened to >Germans during WWI.

Dear Linda Thanks for the tip. I had a good look at the Archives tonight, and unfortunately, none of the records are for my Wilhelm. He was a cook, and his middle name was 'Marcelle'. Will keep looking for tips though! Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in Brisbane > Hi Maureen, > The name Wilhelm Hoffmann comes up a few times on the National Archives > site. > http://www.naa.gov.au/ .

Hi Maureen, The name Wilhelm Hoffmann comes up a few times on the National Archives site. http://www.naa.gov.au/ . You can just log in as a guest and enter the name Wilhelm Hoffmann. Linda.

Hello list, Can someone help with information for me? I have a Great Uncle, Wilhelm Hoffmann, who lived in Brisbane from at least 1900 till his death in 1946. His partner's name was Harriet Lucy Hoffmann, who had four children by Wilhelm (births ranged from 1906 to 1914). My question is this - would Wilhelm have been sent to some type of camp in WWI just because he was of German birth? My mother has told me that (not all, but a lot of) Germans and Italians were sent away to camps during WW2, and I was wondering if the same happened to Germans during WWI. And if they were, where did they go, and do any registers survive? Thanks in advance, Maureen.

Did your Hinz family come from Worden / Wohrden? I think that there was a Hinz family on La Rochelle from this town. My Schroders come from Wohrden on La Rochelle. I don't know if there is a connection. Regards, Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Henderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration > Hi Everyone > > We believe that our family of HINZ came from Schleswig-Holstein > they came out on the La Rochelle and settled in and around > Rockhampton in Central Queensland > > We believe 3 brothers came out together with their families > my husband is a descendant of Wilhelm who with his wife > Maria SCHLUTER settled in Rockhampton > > Would love to correspond with other members of this family > > Joy > HINZ; BAY; SCHLUTER; VOSS; PETERS; CONNORS > > > > > >

Yes Kerry my Wilhelm was born in Worden in 1839 I do not have any Schroders in my tree but that doesn't mean there wasn't just have never made a connection Joy > Did your Hinz family come from Worden / Wohrden? I think that there was a > Hinz family on La Rochelle from this town. My Schroders come from Wohrden > on > La Rochelle. I don't know if there is a connection. > Regards, > Kerry > > >> Hi Everyone >> >> We believe that our family of HINZ came from Schleswig-Holstein >> they came out on the La Rochelle and settled in and around >> Rockhampton in Central Queensland >> >> We believe 3 brothers came out together with their families >> my husband is a descendant of Wilhelm who with his wife >> Maria SCHLUTER settled in Rockhampton >> >> Would love to correspond with other members of this family >> >> Joy >> HINZ; BAY; SCHLUTER; VOSS; PETERS; CONNORS

Chris Try: Scanlan R A, Laidley Mount Berryman Mt Berryman 4341 (07) 5466 4207 (from the White Pages) Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 12:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Dick Scnalan- Wrote the Scanlan Family History- anyone has email and/or contact details Hi I wanting to get in touch with Dick SCANLAN regarding the SCANLAN family and their connections with the KAPERNICKS. Does anyone have an email or contact address and phone number for him? Regards Chris

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