Dear List I am researching these families. In particular descendants of : a.. Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Retschlag and Ernestine Bluhm/Blume Married Germany possibly 1870s b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia Cranstine Dieckmann Married 1888 in Queensland c.. August Muller & Ida Augusta (Edith) Retschlag Married 1912 Queensland I would love to swap information and discover more than I have. I saw some references to these families in the archives so I hope there are still some people who are interested. Thanks Lynne

"june m robinson" wrote: a look up.> > On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, June, I have marriage of Karen Joan BENNETT and David James BARBELER of Emerald. While I have nothing of his ancestry,Karen is a descendant of my LENZ/KRUEGER of the Maiden Voyage of "Susanne Godeffroy" 1864. If you are interested in her line I can send Chart off list. Regards Di R. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > Thanks for looking Alan really appreciate . > thanks june > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > > > June > > I cannot see any reference to the Barbeler family in the book. There are > > not > > a lot of references to individuals or families but rather a general > > history > > of the presence of Germans in Queensland. > > > > Alan. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m > > robinson > > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:24 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > > > Hi Alan, > > Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for > > thanks, > > June > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > > > > >> Albert > >> I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, > >> published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. > >> ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot > >> of > >> migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There > >> is > >> also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. > >> I am happy to look up any references if required. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert > >> grulke > >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM > >> To: SEQ Germans; Germans List > >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > >> > >> I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One > >> Hundred > >> years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > >> > >> Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > >> > >> I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill > >> about > >> German Settlement into Queensland. > >> Thanks in hope > >> > >> Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > >> > >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > >> to > >> South East Queensland, Australia. > >> Archives - > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > >> to > > > >> South East Queensland, Australia. > >> Archives - > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > >> 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > >> > >> > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > > South East Queensland, Australia. > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > > South East Queensland, Australia. > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > > > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for looking Alan really appreciate . thanks june ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > June > I cannot see any reference to the Barbeler family in the book. There are > not > a lot of references to individuals or families but rather a general > history > of the presence of Germans in Queensland. > > Alan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m > robinson > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > Hi Alan, > Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for a look up. > On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, > thanks, > June > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > >> Albert >> I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, >> published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. >> ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot >> of >> migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There >> is >> also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. >> I am happy to look up any references if required. >> >> Regards >> >> Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert >> grulke >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM >> To: SEQ Germans; Germans List >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years >> >> I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One >> Hundred >> years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. >> >> Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? >> >> I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill >> about >> German Settlement into Queensland. >> Thanks in hope >> >> Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to > >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: >> 11/12/2007 9:19 PM >> >> > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > >

G'day Di, No, I haven't, and now what you've sent will explain why - the spelling. Thanks very much for that, I will order a certificate. All the Best Phillip -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 3:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] HEIDEMANN death of Catherine Maria 9 Sep 1878 "Phil Murphy" wrote: > Their youngest daughter Catherine (infant, 9 months) died on the ship,> again family story this held the ship up, and she was buried on Fraser> Island, but, there is no other evidence that that burial actually> happened. Phil, I suppose you've got her death certificate under the name REIDEMANN and not HEIDEMANN? 9 Sept. 1878. 1878/003390. Di R. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Phil Murphy" wrote: > Their youngest daughter Catherine (infant, 9 months) died on the ship,> again family story this held the ship up, and she was buried on Fraser> Island, but, there is no other evidence that that burial actually> happened. Phil, I suppose you've got her death certificate under the name REIDEMANN and not HEIDEMANN? 9 Sept. 1878. 1878/003390. Di R.

G'day Alan, Thanks very much for that. One little piece of information there might explain an old family story, that the ship was fogbound in the Bay, and could not disembark. Their youngest daughter Catherine (infant, 9 months) died on the ship, again family story this held the ship up, and she was buried on Fraser Island, but, there is no other evidence that that burial actually happened. Thanks very much All the Best Phillip -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan and Shirley Nitz Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 7:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Phillip I cannot see any reference to the HEIDEMANN family in the book. There are two short references to the Herschel. 1. As the coastal districts to the north of Brisbane were now becoming more populous, four of the eleven immigrant ships arriving between 1870 and 1878 - the Reichstag, Shakespear(e), Herschel, and Humboldt - disembarked the bulk of their human cargo (mostly 'free passengers') at Hervey('s) Bay, where steamers took them up the Mary River to the Maryborough Immigration Barracks. 2.The second reference was in relation to an article in the Maryborough Chronicle covering the arrival of the Herschel in March 1872. Sorry I can't help more at this stage. Regards Alan. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Phil Murphy Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 6:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Hi Alan, I'd like to ask also, if you could look up for me - Hans Jurgen and Nicoline (nee JENSEN) HEIDEMANN (and children) to MARYBOROUGH on the HERSHEL, 1876 Thanks All the Best Phillip Phillip MURPHY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m robinson Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Hi Alan, Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for a look up. On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, thanks, June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > Albert > I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, > published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. > ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot of > migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There > is > also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. > I am happy to look up any references if required. > > Regards > > Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert > grulke > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM > To: SEQ Germans; Germans List > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred > years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > > Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > > I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about > German Settlement into Queensland. > Thanks in hope > > Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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Phillip I cannot see any reference to the HEIDEMANN family in the book. There are two short references to the Herschel. 1. As the coastal districts to the north of Brisbane were now becoming more populous, four of the eleven immigrant ships arriving between 1870 and 1878 - the Reichstag, Shakespear(e), Herschel, and Humboldt - disembarked the bulk of their human cargo (mostly 'free passengers') at Hervey('s) Bay, where steamers took them up the Mary River to the Maryborough Immigration Barracks. 2.The second reference was in relation to an article in the Maryborough Chronicle covering the arrival of the Herschel in March 1872. Sorry I can't help more at this stage. Regards Alan. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Phil Murphy Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 6:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Hi Alan, I'd like to ask also, if you could look up for me - Hans Jurgen and Nicoline (nee JENSEN) HEIDEMANN (and children) to MARYBOROUGH on the HERSHEL, 1876 Thanks All the Best Phillip Phillip MURPHY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m robinson Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Hi Alan, Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for a look up. On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, thanks, June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > Albert > I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, > published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. > ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot of > migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There > is > also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. > I am happy to look up any references if required. > > Regards > > Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert > grulke > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM > To: SEQ Germans; Germans List > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred > years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > > Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > > I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about > German Settlement into Queensland. > Thanks in hope > > Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

June I cannot see any reference to the Barbeler family in the book. There are not a lot of references to individuals or families but rather a general history of the presence of Germans in Queensland. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m robinson Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Hi Alan, Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for a look up. On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, thanks, June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > Albert > I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, > published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. > ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot of > migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There > is > also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. > I am happy to look up any references if required. > > Regards > > Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert > grulke > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM > To: SEQ Germans; Germans List > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred > years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > > Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > > I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about > German Settlement into Queensland. > Thanks in hope > > Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, I'd like to ask also, if you could look up for me - Hans Jurgen and Nicoline (nee JENSEN) HEIDEMANN (and children) to MARYBOROUGH on the HERSHEL, 1876 Thanks All the Best Phillip Phillip MURPHY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m robinson Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Hi Alan, Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for a look up. On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, thanks, June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > Albert > I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, > published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. > ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot of > migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There > is > also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. > I am happy to look up any references if required. > > Regards > > Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert > grulke > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM > To: SEQ Germans; Germans List > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred > years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > > Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > > I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about > German Settlement into Queensland. > Thanks in hope > > Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for a look up. On the Barbeler family they settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, thanks, June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > Albert > I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, > published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. > ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot of > migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There > is > also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. > I am happy to look up any references if required. > > Regards > > Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert > grulke > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM > To: SEQ Germans; Germans List > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred > years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > > Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > > I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about > German Settlement into Queensland. > Thanks in hope > > Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM > >

they reckon it is out of print. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wayne Hoppe Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 12:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years Albert I have a copy of this book, which I purchased from the Lutheran Archives in Adelaide a few years ago. They may have another copy available for sale. I am happy to do look ups if required Wayne Hoppe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 11:53 AM To: SEQ Germans; Germans List Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about German Settlement into Queensland. Thanks in hope Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 17/07/2007 6:30 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 17/07/2007 6:30 PM A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Albert I have a copy of this book, which I purchased from the Lutheran Archives in Adelaide a few years ago. They may have another copy available for sale. I am happy to do look ups if required Wayne Hoppe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 11:53 AM To: SEQ Germans; Germans List Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about German Settlement into Queensland. Thanks in hope Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 17/07/2007 6:30 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 17/07/2007 6:30 PM

I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about German Settlement into Queensland. Thanks in hope Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne

Albert I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in Melbourne. ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a lot of migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. There is also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum recently. I am happy to look up any references if required. Regards Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM To: SEQ Germans; Germans List Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about German Settlement into Queensland. Thanks in hope Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Albert, Afraid I don't know how you can get a copy but they are available at libraries. My local has in the Local Studies library (which can't be borrowed out); ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 089 LH 284.1943 THE Personal Author Theile, F. Otto Title One hundred years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland. Publication info [Bris.] : United Evangelical Lutheran Church, 1938 Physical descrip 290p. : illus., maps. Held by LS Corporate subject Lutheran Church--Queensland--History Corporate subject Lutheran Church--Queensland--Albert Shire--History ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 089 ANF 305.8310943 GER Title The German presence in Queensland over the last 150 years : Proceedings of an international symposium, August 24, 25 and 26, 1987 : University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia. Publication info St. Lucia : Univ. of Qld., Dept. of German, c1988. Physical descrip 414p. : illus., maps. Held by LS Subject term Germans--Queensland--History--Congresses Subject term Swiss--Queensland--History--Congresses Added author Jurgensen, Manfred. Added author Corkhill, Alan, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Regards Steve O on sunny Gold Coast On Nov 14, 2007 10:52 AM, albert grulke <[email protected]> wrote: > I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One Hundred > years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. > > Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? > > I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill about > German Settlement into Queensland. > Thanks in hope > > Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Thank you so much! Regards Chris --- Lorrae <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris > Our sympathies are with you and your family at this > sad time. > > May she rest gently with her God. > > > Lorrae > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schmidt > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 1:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Death of Agnes Margaret > KAPERNICK (nee KOCH) > > Hi > > I thought some people interested in the KAPERNICK > family might be interested in hearing that my > grandmother, Agnes Margaret KAPERNICK (nee KOCH), > wife > of Bill KAPERNICK 9dec'd) died on 5 Nov 2007 in > Salem > Lutheran Rest Home, Tooowoomba. She was born in > Adelaide, South Australia on 12 Dec 1913, the > daughter > of Prof Georg Carl Franz Waldemar KOCH and Antonie > Sophia Anna von WIADROWSKI. > > She is the last of the spouses or members of the > first > Australian born generation to die. > > Her funeral will be held at Redeemer Lutheran > Church, > Neil St, Toowoomba followed by internment at the > Garden of Remembrance, Ruthven St, Toowoomba. The > womens guild at Redeemer will be putting on a light > lunch of sandwiches following the burial. > > I just thought the various people I have made > contact > with on the list with KAPERNICK connections may be > interested. > > Regards > > Chris > > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV. http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/national-bingo-night/

Chris Our sympathies are with you and your family at this sad time. May she rest gently with her God. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schmidt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 1:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Death of Agnes Margaret KAPERNICK (nee KOCH) Hi I thought some people interested in the KAPERNICK family might be interested in hearing that my grandmother, Agnes Margaret KAPERNICK (nee KOCH), wife of Bill KAPERNICK 9dec'd) died on 5 Nov 2007 in Salem Lutheran Rest Home, Tooowoomba. She was born in Adelaide, South Australia on 12 Dec 1913, the daughter of Prof Georg Carl Franz Waldemar KOCH and Antonie Sophia Anna von WIADROWSKI. She is the last of the spouses or members of the first Australian born generation to die. Her funeral will be held at Redeemer Lutheran Church, Neil St, Toowoomba followed by internment at the Garden of Remembrance, Ruthven St, Toowoomba. The womens guild at Redeemer will be putting on a light lunch of sandwiches following the burial. I just thought the various people I have made contact with on the list with KAPERNICK connections may be interested. Regards Chris

Hi I thought some people interested in the KAPERNICK family might be interested in hearing that my grandmother, Agnes Margaret KAPERNICK (nee KOCH), wife of Bill KAPERNICK 9dec'd) died on 5 Nov 2007 in Salem Lutheran Rest Home, Tooowoomba. She was born in Adelaide, South Australia on 12 Dec 1913, the daughter of Prof Georg Carl Franz Waldemar KOCH and Antonie Sophia Anna von WIADROWSKI. She is the last of the spouses or members of the first Australian born generation to die. Her funeral will be held at Redeemer Lutheran Church, Neil St, Toowoomba followed by internment at the Garden of Remembrance, Ruthven St, Toowoomba. The womens guild at Redeemer will be putting on a light lunch of sandwiches following the burial. I just thought the various people I have made contact with on the list with KAPERNICK connections may be interested. Regards Chris National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV. http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/national-bingo-night/

Thank you so much to everyone who has provided input. I will research further into the National Archives record to see if it is my Wilhelm. I'd also like to find out more about the conditions that existed in these camps. You've given me some direction now. Thanks again! Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Torrens Island Internment Camp SA + HoldsworthyNSW > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in Brisbane > > > Maureen Arthur wrote: >> >> My question is this - would Wilhelm have been sent to some type of camp >> in WWI just because he was of German birth? . >> >> And if they were, where did they go, and do any registers survive? > > Following may be of interest. > > > Di > > Over 350 'enemy aliens' were interned at the Torrens Island Concentration > Camp which opened on 9 October 1914. Internment in Australia was regulated > by the War Precautions Act 1914. Internees were mainly of German or > Austro-Hungarian background, including some who were naturalised British > citizens. Some internees were crew members of enemy nationality who were > taken from ships in Australian ports. In South Australia, a relatively > high percentage of migrants were of German background, and so the 'enemy > alien' concept had a significant effect. Not all were held as internees in > camps; some were required to report to local police on a regular basis. > > Torrens Island Internment Camp '... had by far the worst reputation of all > internment camps in the Commonwealth' [Fischer, G. Enemy aliens, p. 194] > with primitive living conditions and harsh ill-treatment of prisoners. The > third issue of Der Kamerad reported that captured escapees had been > flogged. After the findings of a court of enquiry into this treatment of > internees was submitted, the Defence Department closed the camp on 16 > August 1915. The federal government had also decided to close regional > camps that had been set up in the early years of the war. Many prisoners, > including South Australian internees, were transferred to Holdsworthy camp > near Liverpool in New South Wales. > Subjects > a.. Torrens Island Internment Camp S Aust > b.. World War 1914 1918 Prisoners And Prisons Australian > Further reading > a.. The German experience of Australia 1833-1938 / Ian Harmstorf > (editor), Peter Schwerdtfeger (technical editor). [Bedford Park, S. Aust.] > : The Australian Association of von Humboldt Fellows, The Flinders > University of South Australia, 1988 > b.. Fischer, Gerhard. Enemy aliens: internment and the homefront > experience in Australia, 1914-1920. St. Lucia, Qld.: University of > Queensland Press, 1989 > c.. Holmes, Elisa. The attitudes towards South Australians of German > descent during World War I. Cabbages and kings: selected essays in history > and Australian studies, vol. 22 (1993), pp.3-17 > d.. Paech, David O. Persecution, detention and internment of Lutherans > (in South Australia) in two world wars : a dark spot in Australia's > century of federation. [Klemzig, S. Aust. : David O. Paech], 2001 > e.. Insights into South Australian history . Adelaide: Historical Society > of South Australia, <1992>- v. 2. South Australia's German history and > heritage / [edited by] Ian A. Harmstorf. pp. 7-10. 'When Torrens Island > was a concentration camp.' > f.. Index to aliens 1914-1918 [microform] / compiled by Helen D. Harris. > Forest Hill, Vic.: Harriland Press, 2003] > Links > a.. German Australia : First World War ; Internment of Germans in > Australia during WWI > b.. South Australians at war: Prisoners of war > c.. Manning Index of South Australian history: World War One: Germans in > Australia > d.. National Archives of Australia: Fact sheet 171: WW I internee, alien > and POW records held in Sydney > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi Pardon getting perhaps a little off topic butI think Lorrae has hit a nail on the head. People fear what is unknown. Throughout the history of this great country of ours, the minority has been persecuted. In some cases even the majority- when the white man came the Aborigines were the majority. The Irish were persecuted by the British when they started coming in in droves after the potato famines, then the Chinese on the goldfields and the Afghan camel drivers and so on. We also always need someone to blame when the world is falling apart or having difficulties and we tend to blame the nearest person. Combine this with a human emotionalism and tendency to react and want revenge and we end up blaming all Germans for what a few did, all Moslems for what a few have done and so on. We stereotype and rationalise because we are afraid. Perhaps it is time that we started to embrace the different in all ways.... the disadvantaged, poor, disabled, and the ethnic minorities. Yes, migrants may hang on to some of their own tradition and customs, but wouldn't you want to if you went to a foreign land? When you are new in a country not understanding the way of life isn'tr it normal to band together with like minded people and form new communities? We ARE a great country. We need to start to celebrate the fact that multiculturalism is one of the things that have made us great- all the people from diverse lands, ethnic backgrounds and religions that have contributed so much to this country. Like John Ilhan that died recently- founder of Crazy Johns and a Turkish Moslem. Myers, another example started by a Jew from Lithuania and now back in control of the Myer family and an Australian icon. German Chief Justices and High Court judges. Captains of industry from Hungary, Ireland, Germany and almost every country of the world.After the second World War Australian industry developed on the backs of migrant workers and many of the migrants became owners of businesses and succesful themselves. When a colleague of my great grandfather came to South Australia during the first World War he noticed how backward it was. He came from New York state and he said that even though New York was cold you would have twice as mcuh on Australia in churh because heating was not common whereas everything in New York was centrally heated. The country was definitely backward in so many ways when compared with the US. I believe it is the immigration between the wars that changed that and opened us up to the world. Therefore the question can be asked where would we be without our multicukural society? Sure they need to respect the law just like any Australian born or British Australian but neither do I expect or want our migrants to become just another "throw a shrimp on the barbie aussie". I dont believe there are too many coming here who don't value our way of life and democratic values.A few but not many. So instead of reducing the number of Sudanese refugees coming here because they dont assimilate, lets embrace them and the differences they bring as a way of promoting peace and harmony around the world and have compassion. After all, we don't need less immigrants now as we have an ageing population and someone has to pay for the roads etc with our increasing years in retirement. After all, I am projected to live until 140 with the advances in medicine and health research. Just some thoughts Regards Chris --- Lorrae <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Albert > > Australian born but still German!! > > Consider today's youth of our cities - they can > still be 2nd and 3rd generation (or even more) > Australian born, but they are still labelled as > Indian, Italian, Chinese or whatever their > ancestors were. > > The hate crimes that happened in the Sydney suburbs > were committed by Australian born youth, but > they did not consider themselves Australians, they > took their grandfather's nationality - or their > 'home country'. > > "I was born here, this is my home" - but our > anscestors did not embrace the Australian language > (english), the Australian ways or customs, they > brought their own customs and clung to them for > several generations - including their religion - > Lutheran and Apostolic are just two of the > religions from Germany that are still practiced > today. > > > Consider today's attitude to those who do not > 'assimilate' and perhaps you can begin to see why > there was mass fear of the Germans of WW1 and WW2 > era. > > Have we learnt anything over the last 90 years? > > We feared the Germans of WW1 and the Germans and > Italians of WW2; the Koreans of the 1950's; Chinese > and Vietnamese of the 1960's; Russians and Chinese > from the cold war era; and now the Arabs who are > Muslims, who come to this great country of ours, but > will not accept our ways, our customs, our > ideals. > > All of us have ancestors who were born overseas, as > there are very few full blooded Aboriginals left > in this country. But we are Australians and should > be prepared to protect and defend this country > from attack and we fear all too often that the > attack will come from within. We have leaders, > politicans, teachers, tradesmen, labourer, etc of > every nationality, and we are Australian. > > Thus why the fear of the Germans in WW1 and WW2. > > The fear of the unknown fellow next door. > > (This is not my belief, but an explanation of > reasoning by todays' standards for the treatment of > our German ancestors of WW1 and WW2). > > My own father-in-law never seen the purpose of being > Naturalised, and two of his five sons are still > not naturalised, but they all consider themselves > Australians!! > > > Lorrae > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > > -----Original Message----- > From: albert grulke [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] WWI and Germans Living in > Brisbane > > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > National Bingo Night. 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