Hi Di Yes many were Lutheran. However, there were also many Catholics from the POSEN-West Prussia areas that are now part of Poland. Some of these areas had been taken from Poland in the third partitioning of Poland with Poland being divided up between Russia and Prussia sometime in the late 1700s I think. How strictly they adhered and continued in the Lutheran church varies from family to family. I think closeness to congregations is a factor. e.g my great-grandparents were farming at Flagstone Creek. Despite the large number of Lutheran families there the nearest church when they moved there was Mt Sylvia or Ropeley quite a hike on a Sunday morning by bush track when cows still had to be milked. However, when a congregation opened in Helidon my grandfather and his father were foundation members. However, by this time many of his brothers and sisters had drifted away from the church completely and their families since associated with all denominations. So simply put I think the strongest factor in staying close to the Lutheran Church is proximity to church and the availability of pastors to provide pastoral care. Simply because they engaged actively in mission work amongst the German settlers the Apostolic Church gained many followers even from amongst former Lutheran families like the BEUTELS. I dont thimnk too many Jews would for convenience sake name themselves Lutheran. Another factor in the German community in whether they stayed in the Lutheran church could be a desire to be seen to be more Australian. The Lutheran Church also in the early days conducted services in Germand and many of the young people of the next generation drifted away because it was not their local tongue. However, each family varied with what happened depending on the totality of the circumstances. Regards Chris --- Di Randell <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the responses to my recent query, > showing my total lack of map-reading skills. > > They have opened up new leads for me that I am > perusing. > > Now I have another question: > > It seems to me, from most people on this list, that > their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and > stuck with this religion, at least for the first or > second generations. > > My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy > which arrived in 1864. > A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought > out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that > time, about the Church and pastors, while that > generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of > Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall > Creek, now Chermside. > > The marriage of their first child to my G G > Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission > Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their > arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: > their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would > have had to give permission. > > In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother > died, she was buried by the Rites of the United > Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, > her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. > > However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for > their descendants were in every religion except > Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful > News Mission, Salvation Army. > The exceptions were: the daughter who married in > 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were > christened as such and one of the girls did marry > the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had > no children. > > My questions are: > ..... was this pattern of not being strongly > Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German > immigrants? > ..... could they originally have been Jews and for > whatever reason, went along with the idea of being > Lutherans? > > Di > Brisbane. > > > > > > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. http://au.yahoo.com/worldsbestmail/viagra/index.html

>Their youngest daughter Catherine (infant, 9 months) died on the >ship, again family story this held the ship up, and she was buried >on Fraser Island, but, there is no other evidence that that burial actually >happened. In such cases there is often a 'marine death registration' in Qld Registrar-General's indexes. When you search the indexes, keep an open mind about the spelling of names. See www.judywebster.gil.com.au/tips-qld.html and www.judywebster.gil.com.au/methods.html. Answers to many questions about Qld research are on my Web site, www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html. It has about 100 pages of information/advice; over 40,000 names from Archives sources, cemeteries etc.; and customised Google boxes to search my entire site. If you need to contact me personally, use whatever address is on www.judywebster.gil.com.au/about.html at that time, NOT the address from which I sent this message. To reduce spam, please do NOT mention my address in mailing list or newsgroup messages. Judy ********************************************************* Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia. Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources). Indexes & advice: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html My family tree: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/surnames.html *********************************************************

Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the descendants of FREDRICK WILLIAM RETSCHLAG and AUGUSTE MARGARET WOLFF. She died and he married her sister MINA SOPHIA WOLFF. I have 10 children from both these marriages. The Wolf sisters' mother was a Littmann. Does anyone know of any Wolff descendants from 17 Mile Rocks. Gaylene

Kerry Can I also have a copy of the programme Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of june m robinson Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 4:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Umulats Hi Kerry, I would be interested in the programme. thanks June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Wall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Umulats >I have a little program called German Assistant that allows you to add the > umlats easily when searching in german. If anyone would like it then they > need to contact me off list so that I can send the file.It gives better > search results in Germany. > > > >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1135 - Release Date: > 11/16/2007 10:58 PM > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerry, I would be interested in the programme. thanks June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Wall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Umulats >I have a little program called German Assistant that allows you to add the > umlats easily when searching in german. If anyone would like it then they > need to contact me off list so that I can send the file.It gives better > search results in Germany. > > > >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1135 - Release Date: > 11/16/2007 10:58 PM >

Hi Di, At this stage haven't a David James Barbeler, but only just starting. A lot of the Vale/ Barbeler came from around Barcaldine, Finch Hatton, Maryborough. Would be interested in what you have may be able to.send My husbands mother was a Barbeler. Thanks June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] BARBELER BENNETT MEDLIN COOMER BACHMANN KRUEGER LENZ > > "june m robinson" wrote: a look up.> > On the Barbeler family they > settled in Finch Hatton. Near Mackay. Qld, > > June, I have marriage of Karen Joan BENNETT and David James BARBELER of > Emerald. > > While I have nothing of his ancestry,Karen is a descendant of my > LENZ/KRUEGER of the Maiden Voyage of "Susanne Godeffroy" 1864. > > If you are interested in her line I can send Chart off list. > > Regards > > Di R. > > > > > > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years > > >> Thanks for looking Alan really appreciate . >> thanks june >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years >> >> >> > June >> > I cannot see any reference to the Barbeler family in the book. There >> > are >> > not >> > a lot of references to individuals or families but rather a general >> > history >> > of the presence of Germans in Queensland. >> > >> > Alan. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of june m >> > robinson >> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:24 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years >> > >> > Hi Alan, >> > Saw your email hope you don't mind me asking for > > thanks, >> > June >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:18 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years >> > >> > >> >> Albert >> >> I have the book by Alan Corkhill. It is called Queensland and Germany, >> >> published by Academia Press in 1992 which, I think is based in >> >> Melbourne. >> >> ISBN 0 9589668 4 2. It is a very good reference book as it covers a >> >> lot >> >> of >> >> migration issued, trade, Germans and politics, and cultural issues. >> >> There >> >> is >> >> also a bit about internment which was discussed on this forum >> >> recently. >> >> I am happy to look up any references if required. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Alan NITZ in Brisbane in need of rain. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert >> >> grulke >> >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 AM >> >> To: SEQ Germans; Germans List >> >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] one hundred years >> >> >> >> I have tried every source known to me to get a coy of the book One >> >> Hundred >> >> years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by FW Theile. >> >> >> >> Can anybody tell me please how I might get a copy? >> >> >> >> I understand there is also a very good book written by Alan Corkhill >> >> about >> >> German Settlement into Queensland. >> >> Thanks in hope >> >> >> >> Albert Grulke in dry sunny Melbourne >> >> >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who >> >> migrated >> >> to >> >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> >> Archives - >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who >> >> migrated >> >> to >> > >> >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> >> Archives - >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: >> >> 11/12/2007 9:19 PM >> >> >> >> >> > >> > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> > to >> > South East Queensland, Australia. >> > Archives - >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> > to >> > South East Queensland, Australia. >> > Archives - >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: >> > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM >> > >> > >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: > 11/12/2007 9:19 PM >

Lynne you may find interesting info if you google RETSCHLAG the second and third entries may answer some questions john spiers(a Weber descendant) On 11/18/07, Lynne Kendall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear List > > Thanks to all who have sent me information it has been wonderful. If any > one knows of any old photos of this family could you let me know. Photos > really add 'flowers' to the family tree. > > thanks again > > regards > > Lynne > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List Thanks to all who have sent me information it has been wonderful. If any one knows of any old photos of this family could you let me know. Photos really add 'flowers' to the family tree. thanks again regards Lynne

Hi Lorrae Thanks for the information. I am not directly related to the family. My ex husbands mother is Joan Joyce nee Muller and the granddaughter of Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia Dieckmann. I am researching the family to give my children and more complete family tree and the family are really pleased I am researching it for them. One of them started a few years ago but her interest fizzled out due to family pressures at the time. Thanks again Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorrae" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Retschlag, Muller & Dieckmann families > Hi Lynne > > I am not related but I know some details for this family. > Are you a descendant? > I have no knowledge of the other two families you requested. > > b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia Cranstine Dieckmann Married > 1888 in Queensland > > > > ....... 2 Carl Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER > Born: 1862 Brandenburg, Germany > arrival: 1883 "WAROONGA" > Died: 1904 Ipswich, Qld, Aust > Father: Christian Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER Mother: Dorothea Louise MOHNS > ........... +Amelia Cranstine DIECKMANN known as: Emily > Born: 1870 Ipswich, Qld, Aust > Married: 1888 Fassifern, Qld, Aust > Died: 1926 Brisbane, Qld, Aust > Father: Carl DIECKMANN Mother: Auguste DIECKMANN > > > > > Lorrae > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynne Kendall [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 12:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Retschlag, Muller & Dieckmann families > > Dear List > > I am researching these families. In particular descendants of : > a.. Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Retschlag and Ernestine Bluhm/Blume Married > Germany possibly 1870s > b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia Cranstine Dieckmann Married > 1888 in Queensland > c.. August Muller & Ida Augusta (Edith) Retschlag Married 1912 > Queensland > I would love to swap information and discover more than I have. I saw > some references to these > families in the archives so I hope there are still some people who are > interested. > > Thanks > > Lynne > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Chris Thanks for the information - it all helps. I have gone from knowing very little about this family to finding lots and lots of information on the internet and receiving help from people like yourself. regards Lynne Townsville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Retschlag, Muller & Dieckmann families > Hi > > I don't have much information and not full dates but I > do have the following: > > 1.Carl Friedrich RETSCHLAG > m. Ernestine Bluhme > 2.Louisa RETSCHLAG b.1882 Dugundan, Queensland d. > > 4 Aug 1973 Dugandan, Queensland > m.Wilhelm Friedrich Otto STUMER b. 1876 Walloon, > Queensland, d.12 Jan 1961 Ipswich, Queensland > Father:Martin Friedrich STUMER > Mother: Emilie Auguste Wilhelmine ZABEL > > I also have: > > Amalia Christina RETSCHLAG b. 5 Oct 1871 Walloon, > Queensland d. 15 Sep 1903 Ipswich, Queensland, > Australia > m.6 Jun 1888 William Henry DANCE b.27 Aug 1866 > Tamerton Foliot, Tamworthampton, Devon, England d. 16 > Dec 1924 Marburg, Queensland. > > Also: > Les RETSCLAG > m. Vera SCHMUNK > Father:Ferdinand SCHMUNK > Mother: Emilie Friedericke ROSE > > Also: > 1. Mary RETSCHLAG Abt 1870 > m. John Peter SCHUHMACHER Abt 1865 > 2.Johann Wilhelm SCHUHMACHER b. Abt 1894 > Queensland d. 1969 Queensland > m. Jane Cecilia TOPP 18 Oct 1894, Queensland d. > 24 > Oct 1969 Queensland > > Also: > > 1. Mary RETSCHLAG b. Abt 1870 > m. John Peter SCHUHMACHER Abt 1865 > 2. Johann Wilhelm SCHUHMACHER Abt 1894 Queensland > d. 1969 Queensland > m. 22 Jun 1915, Queensland Jane Cecilia TOPP > Father: Julius Ernst Heinrich TOPP > Mother:Mary Cecilia HANSON > > I would like to connect all these different RETSCHLAGs > together. The only one I am interested in more > descendandts on is Les RETSCHLAG m. Vera SCHMUNK as > she is BEUTEL descendant. > > I dont know if I have been of use to you but if you > can assist me tie these together and with further > information on Les it would be appreciated. > > Regards > > Chris > > --- Lynne Kendall <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear List >> >> I am researching these families. In particular >> descendants of : >> a.. Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Retschlag and Ernestine >> Bluhm/Blume Married Germany possibly 1870s >> b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia >> Cranstine Dieckmann Married 1888 in Queensland >> c.. August Muller & Ida Augusta (Edith) Retschlag >> Married 1912 Queensland >> I would love to swap information and discover more >> than I have. I saw some references to these >> families in the archives so I hope there are still >> some people who are interested. >> >> Thanks >> >> Lynne >> A List for the research for the descendants of the >> Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, >> Australia. >> Archives - >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail > now. http://au.yahoo.com/worldsbestmail/viagra/index.html > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Di, You can access the same map through one of the English language Google map pages - for example www.google.com.au then click on maps, and then enter 52.950,15.520 into the search box. Using the small scale at the bottom right of the maps, it looks as though the distance from Lubicz to Tuczno is about 2.5 km, from Lubicz to Bobro'wko about 4 km, and from Tuczno to Bobro'wko about 3.5 km. Cheers Eric Kopittke > > From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> > Date: 17 November 2007 4:58:23 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Maps Bobrowko Tuczno Lubicz Breitenstein > Schoenrade Blumenfelde > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Hello List > > I need help please, with geography, language & map reading. > > There are three places I want to know the distance between. > > In present day Poland: > 1. Bobro'wko, > 2. Tuczno (Strzelce Krajenski Gmina) > & > 3. Lubicz > > > In Germany before the War I think they were > 1.Breitenstein, > 2.Scho"nrade = Schoenrade > & > Blumenfelde - all in Friedeberg/Freideberg?, Neumark, Brandenburg > Province. > > In the following map the three places: Bobrowko, Tuczno (Strzelce > Krajenski mina) & Lubicz all appear. > This would indicate that they are, as I'm hoping, relatively close to > each other. > However, I can't understand the German sufficiently, and hope somebody > who can understand it better than I can, would look at the map and > tell me how far apart they are. > > http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=52.950,15.520&z=13&q=52.950,15.520&zoom=5 > > This is the only map I have been able to find that actually has the > three present day places. > I've been unable to find, on older maps of Germany, all three places. > > I've tried searching Polish maps, but can't understand Polish, either. > > Any suggestions for good maps, in English, would be appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Di R.

Hello Di Using the distance key in the bottom left of the map, I would say: Bobro'wko to Lubicz is approx 5 km Bobro'wko to Tuszno is approx 4 km Lubicz to Tuczno is approx 2.5 km Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 5:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Maps Bobrowko Tuczno Lubicz Breitenstein Schoenrade Blumenfelde Hello List I need help please, with geography, language & map reading. There are three places I want to know the distance between. In present day Poland: 1. Bobro'wko, 2. Tuczno (Strzelce Krajenski Gmina) & 3. Lubicz In Germany before the War I think they were 1.Breitenstein, 2.Scho"nrade = Schoenrade & Blumenfelde - all in Friedeberg/Freideberg?, Neumark, Brandenburg Province. In the following map the three places: Bobrowko, Tuczno (Strzelce Krajenski mina) & Lubicz all appear. This would indicate that they are, as I'm hoping, relatively close to each other. However, I can't understand the German sufficiently, and hope somebody who can understand it better than I can, would look at the map and tell me how far apart they are. http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=52.950,15.520&z=13&q=52.950,15.520& zoom=5 This is the only map I have been able to find that actually has the three present day places. I've been unable to find, on older maps of Germany, all three places. I've tried searching Polish maps, but can't understand Polish, either. Any suggestions for good maps, in English, would be appreciated. Thank you. Di R.

I have a little program called German Assistant that allows you to add the umlats easily when searching in german. If anyone would like it then they need to contact me off list so that I can send the file.It gives better search results in Germany. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynne I am not related but I know some details for this family. Are you a descendant? I have no knowledge of the other two families you requested. b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia Cranstine Dieckmann Married 1888 in Queensland ....... 2 Carl Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER Born: 1862 Brandenburg, Germany arrival: 1883 "WAROONGA" Died: 1904 Ipswich, Qld, Aust Father: Christian Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER Mother: Dorothea Louise MOHNS ........... +Amelia Cranstine DIECKMANN known as: Emily Born: 1870 Ipswich, Qld, Aust Married: 1888 Fassifern, Qld, Aust Died: 1926 Brisbane, Qld, Aust Father: Carl DIECKMANN Mother: Auguste DIECKMANN Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Kendall [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 12:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Retschlag, Muller & Dieckmann families Dear List I am researching these families. In particular descendants of : a.. Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Retschlag and Ernestine Bluhm/Blume Married Germany possibly 1870s b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia Cranstine Dieckmann Married 1888 in Queensland c.. August Muller & Ida Augusta (Edith) Retschlag Married 1912 Queensland I would love to swap information and discover more than I have. I saw some references to these families in the archives so I hope there are still some people who are interested. Thanks Lynne

hi there call up multi maps.com, found it a very good site for map references john spiers On 11/17/07, Di Randell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello List > > I need help please, with geography, language & map reading. > > There are three places I want to know the distance between. > > In present day Poland: > 1. Bobro'wko, > 2. Tuczno (Strzelce Krajenski Gmina) > & > 3. Lubicz > > > In Germany before the War I think they were > 1.Breitenstein, > 2.Scho"nrade = Schoenrade > & > Blumenfelde - all in Friedeberg/Freideberg?, Neumark, Brandenburg > Province. > > In the following map the three places: Bobrowko, Tuczno (Strzelce > Krajenski mina) & Lubicz all appear. > This would indicate that they are, as I'm hoping, relatively close to each > other. > However, I can't understand the German sufficiently, and hope somebody who > can understand it better than I can, would look at the map and tell me how > far apart they are. > > http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=52.950,15.520&z=13&q=52.950,15.520&zoom=5 > > This is the only map I have been able to find that actually has the three > present day places. > I've been unable to find, on older maps of Germany, all three places. > > I've tried searching Polish maps, but can't understand Polish, either. > > Any suggestions for good maps, in English, would be appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Di R. > > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List I need help please, with geography, language & map reading. There are three places I want to know the distance between. In present day Poland: 1. Bobro'wko, 2. Tuczno (Strzelce Krajenski Gmina) & 3. Lubicz In Germany before the War I think they were 1.Breitenstein, 2.Scho"nrade = Schoenrade & Blumenfelde - all in Friedeberg/Freideberg?, Neumark, Brandenburg Province. In the following map the three places: Bobrowko, Tuczno (Strzelce Krajenski mina) & Lubicz all appear. This would indicate that they are, as I'm hoping, relatively close to each other. However, I can't understand the German sufficiently, and hope somebody who can understand it better than I can, would look at the map and tell me how far apart they are. http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=52.950,15.520&z=13&q=52.950,15.520&zoom=5 This is the only map I have been able to find that actually has the three present day places. I've been unable to find, on older maps of Germany, all three places. I've tried searching Polish maps, but can't understand Polish, either. Any suggestions for good maps, in English, would be appreciated. Thank you. Di R.

Sorry read the death date as the marriage date. Please disregard the last message Regards Colin Larter

Louise RETSCHLAG 1973 marriage cannot be correct date. Could you please check Regards Colin Larter

Hi I don't have much information and not full dates but I do have the following: 1.Carl Friedrich RETSCHLAG m. Ernestine Bluhme 2.Louisa RETSCHLAG b.1882 Dugundan, Queensland d. 4 Aug 1973 Dugandan, Queensland m.Wilhelm Friedrich Otto STUMER b. 1876 Walloon, Queensland, d.12 Jan 1961 Ipswich, Queensland Father:Martin Friedrich STUMER Mother: Emilie Auguste Wilhelmine ZABEL I also have: Amalia Christina RETSCHLAG b. 5 Oct 1871 Walloon, Queensland d. 15 Sep 1903 Ipswich, Queensland, Australia m.6 Jun 1888 William Henry DANCE b.27 Aug 1866 Tamerton Foliot, Tamworthampton, Devon, England d. 16 Dec 1924 Marburg, Queensland. Also: Les RETSCLAG m. Vera SCHMUNK Father:Ferdinand SCHMUNK Mother: Emilie Friedericke ROSE Also: 1. Mary RETSCHLAG Abt 1870 m. John Peter SCHUHMACHER Abt 1865 2.Johann Wilhelm SCHUHMACHER b. Abt 1894 Queensland d. 1969 Queensland m. Jane Cecilia TOPP 18 Oct 1894, Queensland d. 24 Oct 1969 Queensland Also: 1. Mary RETSCHLAG b. Abt 1870 m. John Peter SCHUHMACHER Abt 1865 2. Johann Wilhelm SCHUHMACHER Abt 1894 Queensland d. 1969 Queensland m. 22 Jun 1915, Queensland Jane Cecilia TOPP Father: Julius Ernst Heinrich TOPP Mother:Mary Cecilia HANSON I would like to connect all these different RETSCHLAGs together. The only one I am interested in more descendandts on is Les RETSCHLAG m. Vera SCHMUNK as she is BEUTEL descendant. I dont know if I have been of use to you but if you can assist me tie these together and with further information on Les it would be appreciated. Regards Chris --- Lynne Kendall <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear List > > I am researching these families. In particular > descendants of : > a.. Wilhelm Friedrich Carl Retschlag and Ernestine > Bluhm/Blume Married Germany possibly 1870s > b.. Carl Friedrick William Muller and Amelia > Cranstine Dieckmann Married 1888 in Queensland > c.. August Muller & Ida Augusta (Edith) Retschlag > Married 1912 Queensland > I would love to swap information and discover more > than I have. I saw some references to these > families in the archives so I hope there are still > some people who are interested. > > Thanks > > Lynne > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. http://au.yahoo.com/worldsbestmail/viagra/index.html