Albert This should answer some of your questions. http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/downloads/BriefGuides/BG16Immigration.pdf

Hi Di, We have a small 805kb free Date Calculator program which we have found works quite well. It is freeware. I will attach it for you in a separate email. Regards Noel & Del Bergman From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:08:29 +1000 Subject: [SEQ-Germans] How to calculate DoB from a very specific age at death on Death Cert.? Send reply to: [email protected] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Hello list Does anyone know how I can easily calculate a date of birth? I have a death 25 December 1922 and the Informant, the deceased's second wife, is quite specific about how old her husband was when he died, right down to the days: 73 years 4 months 24 days He was born overseas. It's important for me to figure out what this exact date would be, as I've always thought her information about his parents is wrong, and as a result I've delegated him different parents to what she has. It would seem, though, with her being so particular about how old he was when he died, that she had in front of her, in 1922 when she was the Informant, his birth and/or baptismal certificate, stating his parents. Thank you for any suggestions. Di. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Di If you have Family Tree Maker or a similar programme that calculates ages plug in the dates and ages and let it do it's thing. I came up with the date of Wednesday, 1 Aug 1849. Cheers Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 3:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] How to calculate DoB from a very specific age atdeath on Death Cert.? Hello list Does anyone know how I can easily calculate a date of birth? I have a death 25 December 1922 and the Informant, the deceased's second wife, is quite specific about how old her husband was when he died, right down to the days: 73 years 4 months 24 days He was born overseas. It's important for me to figure out what this exact date would be, as I've always thought her information about his parents is wrong, and as a result I've delegated him different parents to what she has. It would seem, though, with her being so particular about how old he was when he died, that she had in front of her, in 1922 when she was the Informant, his birth and/or baptismal certificate, stating his parents. Thank you for any suggestions. Di. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list Does anyone know how I can easily calculate a date of birth? I have a death 25 December 1922 and the Informant, the deceased's second wife, is quite specific about how old her husband was when he died, right down to the days: 73 years 4 months 24 days He was born overseas. It's important for me to figure out what this exact date would be, as I've always thought her information about his parents is wrong, and as a result I've delegated him different parents to what she has. It would seem, though, with her being so particular about how old he was when he died, that she had in front of her, in 1922 when she was the Informant, his birth and/or baptismal certificate, stating his parents. Thank you for any suggestions. Di.

I am trying to workout the classification of passengers among the German migrants. I once thought I had this correct but have been taken to task and may have it wrong. The ship I am looking at is the Charles Dickens arriving in 1877. It lists 6 paying passengers who I assume paid their own way and had employment or land on arrival. There are 13 assisted passengers. I always understood that these were passengers brought out by an agent and their fare was paid by the agents or their employer but they repaid it over the period of the contract. I am now being told that 'assisted' means their fare was paid by the government only. That then raises the question of what did the government bring them here for? It says there were 368 free passengers. What does 'free' mean? My research tells me that most of the passengers went to migrant camps at Kangaroo Point or Beenleigh before being allotted blocks of land at Marburg and Middle Ridge. My research also tells me that many were assisted in their fares but that is more assumption than knowledge. It then lists 121 remittance passengers. What were 'remittance' passengers. Thanks Albert Grulke

Morning all, Does anyone know if the BUMKE Family Tree book is still available and if so where might I get a copy from. Bev

Death in Germany - Friederike Wilhilmine KRONING (Desley Revell) Hello Desley, This website appears to have a fair amount of info on the Fien family, you might like to have a look for yourself. http://www.cliftonbeach.net/phpgedview/search.php?action=general&topsearch=yes&query=fien Family Name Given Name Age Ship Date Location Page M/f no. FIEN Anna 10m SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Auguste 19 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138M1696 FIEN Carl 46 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Caroline 15 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Elizabeth 7 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Franz 20 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Louise 38 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Marie 13 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138 M1696 FIEN Wilhelmine 16 SusanneGoddefroy17 Jan 1864 IMM/112 138M1696 Regards, Charmaine. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

Can anyone assist please. Trying to locate the death date for Friederike KRONING who died in Germany sometime before 1858. She was married to Carl Heinrich FIEN in 1842 in Welsow, Germany. After her death Carl FIEN married Louise Wilhelmina HAMMER in Brandenberg, Germany abt 1858. I believe that Carl FIEN and Louise HAMMER arrived in Australia on the Susanne Goddefroy in 1864. Anyone who can assist with the query on Friederike Fien's (nee Kroning) death date in Germany, would be much appreciated. Regards, Desley

Dear All The Templin book is currently sold out, including at the Fassifern Historical Society Inc which runs the Templin Historical Village near Boonah. They were looking at getting another small number of copies printed, but they are not done yet. If anyone wants to find out more you can ring the Village on 07 5463 1970. They have the phone diverted to members homes so it should be answered most of the time. Angela Collyer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kleidon Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Searching for a book Lynne I have a copy of this book & I actually bought it from the Templin/Boonah Historical Society. Regards Kerri Check out www.sewcreativegatton.com.au - the Quilting and Machine Specialists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Kendall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Searching for a book > Dear List > > I am hoping someone has a copy of this book they would be prepared to lend > or sell to me. It is currently out of print. 'Templin - A German > Settlement in Queensland' written by A Collyer. I am prepared to pay > reasonable costs. > > Thanks > > Lynne > Townsville > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynne I have a copy of this book & I actually bought it from the Templin/Boonah Historical Society. Regards Kerri Check out www.sewcreativegatton.com.au - the Quilting and Machine Specialists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Kendall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Searching for a book > Dear List > > I am hoping someone has a copy of this book they would be prepared to lend > or sell to me. It is currently out of print. 'Templin - A German > Settlement in Queensland' written by A Collyer. I am prepared to pay > reasonable costs. > > Thanks > > Lynne > Townsville > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Noel & Del, My Gt Gt Grandparents Samuel & Ernestine Bleich (nee Weber) arrived on Susanne Goddfrey September 6 1865 Moreton Bay QLD. Their 3 children came with them.Samuel was born 1824 in Altenwedel, Pommern now called Sicko in the county of Saatzig province of Gorzowskie Poland. Details of children as follows....... Emilye born 1854 Germany married Johannes Volker July 23 1875 Toowoomba Henrietta b 1857 married Frederick Kummerow September 25 1883 Toowoomba August b 1861 not a lot known about August.Possibly went to America. Carl Wilhelm b March 16 1867 Toowoomba m Pauline Hermann August 20 1890 Toowoomba. Carl & Pauline are my Gt Grandparents, their daughter Dorothea my Grandmother. If you require any more information I would be only too happy to help. Cheers Fay Butler

Dear List I am hoping someone has a copy of this book they would be prepared to lend or sell to me. It is currently out of print. 'Templin - A German Settlement in Queensland' written by A Collyer. I am prepared to pay reasonable costs. Thanks Lynne Townsville

Hello again people I have the following in my database: Gerhard STOLZENBERG m.Mena HESSIAH 2. Heinrich STOLZENBERG b. 1882 Tarampa, Qld, d.24 Apr 1954 m. 16 Mar 1905 Alvine RUTHENBERG b. 10 Sep 1886 Qld, d. 28 Aug 1968 Kingaroy, Qld Also: 1. Phillip STOLZENBERG b. 12 Jun 1890 Lowood, Qld, d.9 Sep 1977 Kingaroy, Qld m. Augusta Johanna SCHLOSS b. 25 Oct 1890 Hattonvale, Qld, d. 2 Mar 1974 Father:Christian Friedrich SCHLOSS Mother: Albertine Christina WESSLING 2. Leslie SLTOLZENBERG b. 2 May 1924 Wondai, Qld d. 22 Jun 1998 m. Mary Jean MILLER Father:Frederick John MILLER Mother:Mary Cecelia HANSON I would like to tie these two groups together and als get more info on the descendants of Phillip. His wife is a BEUTEL descendant. Regards Chris Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

"Chris Schmidt" wrote: > Frank BEUTEL> m. Mary MOLLENHAUER b.20 Jan 1905 Coal Creek,> I think he could be Frank BEUTEL son of Christian> Friedrich BEUTEL and Berthe Auguste Helene MULLER.> I believe .. Frank was a> policeman and was stationed in Dalby for a while but > may have then ended up in the Sunshine Coast > Hinterland. > > > In 1934 Frank BEUTEL, G.Juff's, Ocean View, Dayboro . North Pine Subdivision, Wide Bay Division. Farmer. Frank Robert BEUTEL, Brightview, Farmer. Marburg Subdivision. Darling Downs Division. No Mary BEUTEL at either of these addresses. Di

Hi folks Searching the web I have found the following: Frank BEUTEL m. Mary MOLLENHAUER b.20 Jan 1905 Coal Creek, Queensland, d. 15 Mar 1957 Father: Otto Ferdinand Friedrich MOLLENHAUER Mother: Martha RUTHENBERG I think he could be Frank BEUTEL son of Christian Friedrich BEUTEL and Berthe Auguste Helene MULLER. Christian is a brother of Marie KAPERNICK nee BEUTEL my great-grandmother. Christian farmed both in the Dalby and Helidon areas. He died in Helidon. I believe his son Frank was a policeman and was stationed in Dalby for a while but may have then ended up in the Sunshine Coast Hinterland. This is just my memories from the recollections of my grandfather and may or may not be accurate. It is 25 years since my grandfather died. Does anyone else have this Frank in their database? Regards Chris Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

If you don't know where 'Coal Creek' is, it could be the district between Esk and Mt Beppo. If anyone needs a more specfic direction I can supply it. Gaylene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Frank BEUTELm. Marthy MOLLENHAUER (Father: OttoMOLLENHAUER Mother: Martha RUTHENBERG > Hi folks > > Searching the web I have found the following: > > Frank BEUTEL > m. Mary MOLLENHAUER b.20 Jan 1905 Coal Creek, > Queensland, d. 15 Mar 1957 > Father: Otto Ferdinand Friedrich MOLLENHAUER > Mother: Martha RUTHENBERG > > I think he could be Frank BEUTEL son of Christian > Friedrich BEUTEL and Berthe Auguste Helene MULLER. > Christian is a brother of Marie KAPERNICK nee BEUTEL > my great-grandmother. > > Christian farmed both in the Dalby and Helidon areas. > He died in Helidon. I believe his son Frank was a > policeman and was stationed in Dalby for a while but > may have then ended up in the Sunshine Coast > Hinterland. This is just my memories from the > recollections of my grandfather and may or may not be > accurate. It is 25 years since my grandfather died. > > Does anyone else have this Frank in their database? > > Regards > > Chris > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail > now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2670 (20071119) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi >From my knowledge there is no reason. The only one I can think of is adoption. You would not be able to obtain someone else unless they are a close relative but yours shouldn't be an issue. It amy be a case of typical public servant typically trying to avoid work? No offence to anyone here who may be a public servant, but I continually come across examples of this. Of course, there are a lot of good public servants. Regards Chris --- norm bourguignon <[email protected]> wrote: > If someone applies for their own birth certicate and > they are told they need a court order to get it and > they haven't been adopted what is the reason? Has > anyone had an experience with this. The date was in > 1928. > Gaylene > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. http://au.yahoo.com/worldsbestmail/viagra/index.html

Folks, First of all there was no German migration to Queensland for religious reasons. It is fact that a pastor Neimeyer from Hatton Vale did go to Germany in about 1900 and brought a number for migrants out to open up the North Burnett region but the reasons were economical for the migrants and development for the government. Now while the majority of German migrants to the Lockyer and Fassifern valleys were Lutheran there was also a large catholic migration who went over the range to the Downs. There was a group of Baptists who settled around Minden. I have not yet been able to get a handle on this but it does seem that either they were Baptist in Germany or that the pastor brought out was Baptist. There was also a small Church of Christ group who seemed to have settled in Marburg. What I have established is that the Queensland government sponsored or supported religious clergy to migrate to Queensland to minister to the German settlers. Generally they brought Lutheran pastors but it does appear that in more than one instance they may have supported the migration of a non-Lutheran pastor to minister to them. To add to the confusion because the pastor may not have came form the same area as the settlers or may have been a part of a different synod in Germany there were congregational conflicts resulting in a lot of movement between denominations. This seems to have occurred more in the Lockyer valley than we want to accept. I have been trying for some years to find out what happened here. I am told that if I could get a copy of a book entitled "One Hundred Years of Lutheran Church in Queensland" I could get a lot of answers. Unfortunately the book is long since out of print. Hope that helps a little to understand this subject. Albert Grulke in hot dry muggy Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan and Shirley Nitz Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. SalvationArmy.Presbyterian Di My Great Grandparents arrived on the Cesar Godeffroy in February 1866. I don't know their religion at that time but in the July-September period of the Queensland Government Gazette my Great Grandfather (Gottfried Nitz) who was shown as a Minister of the Particular Baptist Denomination, residing at Minden, was duly registered as a Minister of Religion and authorised to celebrate marriages. Later, in the Post Office Directory of 1892 a list of churches and ministers appears for the town of Marburg., One entry is : Church of Christ, Evangelist, G. Nitz. At that time my Great Grandfather owned land between Marburg and Minden. I have no idea of what caused the change of religions or whether the Lutheran faith was ever followed by my Great Grandparents. Just another of those mysteries still looking for an answer. Alan Nitz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. Salvation Army.Presbyterian Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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Di My Great Grandparents arrived on the Cesar Godeffroy in February 1866. I don't know their religion at that time but in the July-September period of the Queensland Government Gazette my Great Grandfather (Gottfried Nitz) who was shown as a Minister of the Particular Baptist Denomination, residing at Minden, was duly registered as a Minister of Religion and authorised to celebrate marriages. Later, in the Post Office Directory of 1892 a list of churches and ministers appears for the town of Marburg., One entry is : Church of Christ, Evangelist, G. Nitz. At that time my Great Grandfather owned land between Marburg and Minden. I have no idea of what caused the change of religions or whether the Lutheran faith was ever followed by my Great Grandparents. Just another of those mysteries still looking for an answer. Alan Nitz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. Salvation Army.Presbyterian Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If someone applies for their own birth certicate and they are told they need a court order to get it and they haven't been adopted what is the reason? Has anyone had an experience with this. The date was in 1928. Gaylene