Even today, brothers in this family cannot put an explanation to this and some of them use a T and others not. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lorrae Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 12:15 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Newspaper List Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Thanks Di I noticed that there was no T in his surname. When his parents and elder 9 siblings were born, they were all registered as SCHULTZ - with the T. Albert Ernest SCHULTZ Born: 26 September 1873 +Bertha Emelia Alberttena GEHRKE Married: 16 March 1899 Minden, Qld, Aust ....... 2 Maria Emielie SCHULTZ Born: 9 June 1899 ....... 2 Gustav Wilhelm SCHULTZ Born: 24 June 1901 ....... 2 Alice Alwina SCHULTZ Born: 17 June 1904 ....... 2 Ethel Theresa SCHULTZ Born: 4 February 1907 ....... 2 Walter Herman SCHULTZ Born: 8 May 1908 Died: 6 December 1991 Burial: Lockrose, Qld, Aust ........... +Dorothy MULLER known as: Dora Born: 1 April 1907 Lowood, Qld, Aust Married: 4 January 1933 Died: 21 November 2000 Laidley, Qld, Aust Burial: 24 November 2000 Lockrose, Qld, Aust Father: Albert MULLER Mother: Emma Maria HAHN ....... 2 Victor Ernest SCHULTZ Born: 25 November 1909 Qld, Aust Died: 7 June 1999 Burial: 9 June 1999 Gatton, Qld, Aust ........... +Lilly MULLER Born: 8 January 1911 Married: 20 July 1936 Died: 12 May 2001 Burial: Gatton, Qld, Aust Father: Albert MULLER Mother: Emma Maria HAHN ....... 2 Willie Fred SCHULTZ Born: 2 August 1911 ....... 2 David Erich SCHULTZ Born: 14 February 1913 Died: 2 November 2001 Burial: Lowood Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Qld, Aust ........... +Grace Louisa ?? Born: Abt. 1916 Died: 22 July 1994 Burial: Lowood Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Qld, Aust ....... 2 Erich Albert SCHULTZ Born: 22 June 1914 ....... 2 Herman Albert SCHULZ known as: Harry Born: 1 August 1915 Lowood, Qld, Aust Died: 30 March 2007 Maryborough, Qld, Aust ........... +Dorothy Mabel GUSE known as: Dora Married: February 1939 Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Di Randell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2007 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Courier Mail May 17th, 2007 Harry SCHULZ Farmer Born: Lowood, August 1, 1915 Died: Maryborough, March 30, 2007. Not afraid of hard work Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ would take his eldest daughter to school perched with him on a horse while he balanced a can of cream to be left at the railway station. Eventually, he would buy a car - a red two-seater with a jump seat - and in his lifetime six more cars, all from Huston's in Wondai. Harry was born at "Hillside" near Lowood, the 10th child of Albert Ernest SCHULZ and Bertha Emilie Albertine (GEHRKE) in a family of seven boys and four girls. He was confirmed at Hillside Coolana Lutheran Church in October 1930. Several years later he left the home at Coolana and moved to Chelmsford, near Wondai, to work for his sister Alice and her husband, Herman MARQUAEDR. There he met Dorothy Mabel (Dora) GUSE, when he arrived at her farm one day with two horses and a wagon to deliver meat for wurst-making. The couple was married at Mondure Lutheran Church in February 1939. They worked for Dick and Hulda GUSE and lived in a farm cottage for five years. Mrs SCHULZ was good with horses. He knew how to grow sweet potatoes from growing up in the Lockyer Valley and he was not afraid of hard work. Their first child was born at the end of 1939. They started to save money together and with help from Dick bought a 160 acre (65ha) farm at Charlestown Rd. Tingoora, in June 1945. It cost 3000 pounds and they paid off the debt in a year. A second child was born and they set about raising their family and farming the land. Mr SCHULZ loved his working horses and used them extensively for farming work including hay making, ploughing, scuffling crops and transport. The farm was productive, with a dairy where all the family members had cows to milk. Milk separated from the cream was gravity fed downhill to a piggery. They had lots of breeding hens for eggs and meat; a huge hayshed stored hay, and corn picked by hand. One year, on some new ground he prepared, Mr SCHULZ grew a new crop called red spanish peanuts. He and the neighbours who helped with the harvest had never seen anything like it; a record yield for the time, 50 bags an acre and the stooks were four to a chain. The hard work never stopped but tractors, including an International H model with steel wheels, eventually saw the horses put out to pasture and mechanised farming took over. Mr SCHULZ was severely injured in a tractor accident in 1958. The family worshipped with other Lutherans in the little Methodist church on the hill in Tingoora, until the congregation built a church of their own opposite the school. Mrs SCHLULZ would play the organ while her husband would sing the old hymns while trying to handle their next two children who had since been born. His entertainment was lying down on the wooden floor in the kitchen after lunch and listening to the program "Blue Hills" on ABC radio. As soon as the episode was over it was back out to work. The family bought another farm and more machinery and mechanised the dairy. Eldest daughter Rita had gone off nursing and eldest son Kevin eventually bought the farm in 1969. Mr and Mrs SCHULZ "retired" to Wondai where they were to live for more than 30 years, and their grandchildren and great-grandchildren would play in his big chook pen and on their adjacent spare allotment. Again, through hard work, Mr SCHULZ developed an interest in showing and breeding brown leghorn fowls and took many prizes in competitions throughout the South Burnett region. He loved harness racing and could always be found in the stands when the trots were held at the local shows. He and his wife also started propagating plants and selling them at markets and soon they had established the thriving Wondai Plant Nursery. They were always ready to share knowledge and kept up this interest in horticulture until they moved from Wondai to Hervey Bay in 2002, and then to Maryborough and Fairhaven Retirement Village. Even at the village Mr SCHULZ was out in the garden whenever he could, tending to pot plants, the lily garden he established and checking the wind direction and speed of the miniature windmill which reminded him of the farm. He loved children and made time to talk with them and listen with interest to what they were doing. Sometimes he would teach them about growing vegetables and plants, breeding chooks and farming. Mr SCHULZ is survived by Dora, his wife of 68 years, three children, 10 grandchildren, 13 great-grandchildren, a sister and two brothers. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Di I noticed that there was no T in his surname. When his parents and elder 9 siblings were born, they were all registered as SCHULTZ - with the T. Albert Ernest SCHULTZ Born: 26 September 1873 +Bertha Emelia Alberttena GEHRKE Married: 16 March 1899 Minden, Qld, Aust ....... 2 Maria Emielie SCHULTZ Born: 9 June 1899 ....... 2 Gustav Wilhelm SCHULTZ Born: 24 June 1901 ....... 2 Alice Alwina SCHULTZ Born: 17 June 1904 ....... 2 Ethel Theresa SCHULTZ Born: 4 February 1907 ....... 2 Walter Herman SCHULTZ Born: 8 May 1908 Died: 6 December 1991 Burial: Lockrose, Qld, Aust ........... +Dorothy MULLER known as: Dora Born: 1 April 1907 Lowood, Qld, Aust Married: 4 January 1933 Died: 21 November 2000 Laidley, Qld, Aust Burial: 24 November 2000 Lockrose, Qld, Aust Father: Albert MULLER Mother: Emma Maria HAHN ....... 2 Victor Ernest SCHULTZ Born: 25 November 1909 Qld, Aust Died: 7 June 1999 Burial: 9 June 1999 Gatton, Qld, Aust ........... +Lilly MULLER Born: 8 January 1911 Married: 20 July 1936 Died: 12 May 2001 Burial: Gatton, Qld, Aust Father: Albert MULLER Mother: Emma Maria HAHN ....... 2 Willie Fred SCHULTZ Born: 2 August 1911 ....... 2 David Erich SCHULTZ Born: 14 February 1913 Died: 2 November 2001 Burial: Lowood Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Qld, Aust ........... +Grace Louisa ?? Born: Abt. 1916 Died: 22 July 1994 Burial: Lowood Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Qld, Aust ....... 2 Erich Albert SCHULTZ Born: 22 June 1914 ....... 2 Herman Albert SCHULZ known as: Harry Born: 1 August 1915 Lowood, Qld, Aust Died: 30 March 2007 Maryborough, Qld, Aust ........... +Dorothy Mabel GUSE known as: Dora Married: February 1939 Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Di Randell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2007 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Courier Mail May 17th, 2007 Harry SCHULZ Farmer Born: Lowood, August 1, 1915 Died: Maryborough, March 30, 2007. Not afraid of hard work Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ would take his eldest daughter to school perched with him on a horse while he balanced a can of cream to be left at the railway station. Eventually, he would buy a car - a red two-seater with a jump seat - and in his lifetime six more cars, all from Huston's in Wondai. Harry was born at "Hillside" near Lowood, the 10th child of Albert Ernest SCHULZ and Bertha Emilie Albertine (GEHRKE) in a family of seven boys and four girls. He was confirmed at Hillside Coolana Lutheran Church in October 1930. Several years later he left the home at Coolana and moved to Chelmsford, near Wondai, to work for his sister Alice and her husband, Herman MARQUAEDR. There he met Dorothy Mabel (Dora) GUSE, when he arrived at her farm one day with two horses and a wagon to deliver meat for wurst-making. The couple was married at Mondure Lutheran Church in February 1939. They worked for Dick and Hulda GUSE and lived in a farm cottage for five years. Mrs SCHULZ was good with horses. He knew how to grow sweet potatoes from growing up in the Lockyer Valley and he was not afraid of hard work. Their first child was born at the end of 1939. They started to save money together and with help from Dick bought a 160 acre (65ha) farm at Charlestown Rd. Tingoora, in June 1945. It cost 3000 pounds and they paid off the debt in a year. A second child was born and they set about raising their family and farming the land. Mr SCHULZ loved his working horses and used them extensively for farming work including hay making, ploughing, scuffling crops and transport. The farm was productive, with a dairy where all the family members had cows to milk. Milk separated from the cream was gravity fed downhill to a piggery. They had lots of breeding hens for eggs and meat; a huge hayshed stored hay, and corn picked by hand. One year, on some new ground he prepared, Mr SCHULZ grew a new crop called red spanish peanuts. He and the neighbours who helped with the harvest had never seen anything like it; a record yield for the time, 50 bags an acre and the stooks were four to a chain. The hard work never stopped but tractors, including an International H model with steel wheels, eventually saw the horses put out to pasture and mechanised farming took over. Mr SCHULZ was severely injured in a tractor accident in 1958. The family worshipped with other Lutherans in the little Methodist church on the hill in Tingoora, until the congregation built a church of their own opposite the school. Mrs SCHLULZ would play the organ while her husband would sing the old hymns while trying to handle their next two children who had since been born. His entertainment was lying down on the wooden floor in the kitchen after lunch and listening to the program "Blue Hills" on ABC radio. As soon as the episode was over it was back out to work. The family bought another farm and more machinery and mechanised the dairy. Eldest daughter Rita had gone off nursing and eldest son Kevin eventually bought the farm in 1969. Mr and Mrs SCHULZ "retired" to Wondai where they were to live for more than 30 years, and their grandchildren and great-grandchildren would play in his big chook pen and on their adjacent spare allotment. Again, through hard work, Mr SCHULZ developed an interest in showing and breeding brown leghorn fowls and took many prizes in competitions throughout the South Burnett region. He loved harness racing and could always be found in the stands when the trots were held at the local shows. He and his wife also started propagating plants and selling them at markets and soon they had established the thriving Wondai Plant Nursery. They were always ready to share knowledge and kept up this interest in horticulture until they moved from Wondai to Hervey Bay in 2002, and then to Maryborough and Fairhaven Retirement Village. Even at the village Mr SCHULZ was out in the garden whenever he could, tending to pot plants, the lily garden he established and checking the wind direction and speed of the miniature windmill which reminded him of the farm. He loved children and made time to talk with them and listen with interest to what they were doing. Sometimes he would teach them about growing vegetables and plants, breeding chooks and farming. Mr SCHULZ is survived by Dora, his wife of 68 years, three children, 10 grandchildren, 13 great-grandchildren, a sister and two brothers.

Courier Mail May 17th, 2007 Harry SCHULZ Farmer Born: Lowood, August 1, 1915 Died: Maryborough, March 30, 2007. Not afraid of hard work Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ would take his eldest daughter to school perched with him on a horse while he balanced a can of cream to be left at the railway station. Eventually, he would buy a car - a red two-seater with a jump seat - and in his lifetime six more cars, all from Huston's in Wondai. Harry was born at "Hillside" near Lowood, the 10th child of Albert Ernest SCHULZ and Bertha Emilie Albertine (GEHRKE) in a family of seven boys and four girls. He was confirmed at Hillside Coolana Lutheran Church in October 1930. Several years later he left the home at Coolana and moved to Chelmsford, near Wondai, to work for his sister Alice and her husband, Herman MARQUAEDR. There he met Dorothy Mabel (Dora) GUSE, when he arrived at her farm one day with two horses and a wagon to deliver meat for wurst-making. The couple was married at Mondure Lutheran Church in February 1939. They worked for Dick and Hulda GUSE and lived in a farm cottage for five years. Mrs SCHULZ was good with horses. He knew how to grow sweet potatoes from growing up in the Lockyer Valley and he was not afraid of hard work. Their first child was born at the end of 1939. They started to save money together and with help from Dick bought a 160 acre (65ha) farm at Charlestown Rd. Tingoora, in June 1945. It cost 3000 pounds and they paid off the debt in a year. A second child was born and they set about raising their family and farming the land. Mr SCHULZ loved his working horses and used them extensively for farming work including hay making, ploughing, scuffling crops and transport. The farm was productive, with a dairy where all the family members had cows to milk. Milk separated from the cream was gravity fed downhill to a piggery. They had lots of breeding hens for eggs and meat; a huge hayshed stored hay, and corn picked by hand. One year, on some new ground he prepared, Mr SCHULZ grew a new crop called red spanish peanuts. He and the neighbours who helped with the harvest had never seen anything like it; a record yield for the time, 50 bags an acre and the stooks were four to a chain. The hard work never stopped but tractors, including an International H model with steel wheels, eventually saw the horses put out to pasture and mechanised farming took over. Mr SCHULZ was severely injured in a tractor accident in 1958. The family worshipped with other Lutherans in the little Methodist church on the hill in Tingoora, until the congregation built a church of their own opposite the school. Mrs SCHLULZ would play the organ while her husband would sing the old hymns while trying to handle their next two children who had since been born. His entertainment was lying down on the wooden floor in the kitchen after lunch and listening to the program "Blue Hills" on ABC radio. As soon as the episode was over it was back out to work. The family bought another farm and more machinery and mechanised the dairy. Eldest daughter Rita had gone off nursing and eldest son Kevin eventually bought the farm in 1969. Mr and Mrs SCHULZ "retired" to Wondai where they were to live for more than 30 years, and their grandchildren and great-grandchildren would play in his big chook pen and on their adjacent spare allotment. Again, through hard work, Mr SCHULZ developed an interest in showing and breeding brown leghorn fowls and took many prizes in competitions throughout the South Burnett region. He loved harness racing and could always be found in the stands when the trots were held at the local shows. He and his wife also started propagating plants and selling them at markets and soon they had established the thriving Wondai Plant Nursery. They were always ready to share knowledge and kept up this interest in horticulture until they moved from Wondai to Hervey Bay in 2002, and then to Maryborough and Fairhaven Retirement Village. Even at the village Mr SCHULZ was out in the garden whenever he could, tending to pot plants, the lily garden he established and checking the wind direction and speed of the miniature windmill which reminded him of the farm. He loved children and made time to talk with them and listen with interest to what they were doing. Sometimes he would teach them about growing vegetables and plants, breeding chooks and farming. Mr SCHULZ is survived by Dora, his wife of 68 years, three children, 10 grandchildren, 13 great-grandchildren, a sister and two brothers. ----------------------------------------------- Lowood Tingoora Wondai Hervey Bay SCHULZ GEHRKE MARQUARDT GUSE I am not related to Mr Schulz.

Page 12 The Chronicle, Friday, December 28, 2007 - LOCAL NEWS - We live here By LACEY BURLEY - lacey.burley @thechronicle.com.au Ropeley’s ‘mountain man’ was a larrikin loved by all Valley icon leaves a lasting legacy LOCKYER Valley legend Arnie Schulz has sadly hung up his Akubra hat and riding boots forever. The 76-year-old Ropeley man passed away in the company of family last Friday after he suffered a major heart attack. Arnie leaves behind a lifetime of memories that will be carried on by all those whose lives he touched. His sister Irene Weier, 69, said Arnie lived a larrikin life. “He was loved by everyone,” Mrs Weier said. “He was kind-hearted and, as sick as he was, he always kept his chin up. “Kids loved him, with his long white beard he was always saying ‘ho ho ho’. “He was always a wag; he always had a joke and was always full of fun. “He never really let anything get him down.” Arnie was born in Gatton and had 13 siblings. He lived his entire life at Ropeley, on his farm with his cattle and pigs. Arnie was, in all aspects of the word, a legend. “He was a legend,” Mrs Weier said. “A typical Valley icon, he just knew everybody.” Arnie was well known for his friendship with the late country music singer Stan Coster, who even wrote a song about Arnie and his beloved mountain called Schulzies Mountain. “It would have been in the early 1980s (when they met),” Mrs Weier said. “Stan would have his shows at the Tent Hill Pub on Fridays and Saturdays and then on Sundays they’d all go up the mountain — Arnie’s mountain — and have a sing-song and a barbecue. “Arnie had always wanted to buy that mountain ever since he was young and we had so many parties and things up there.” Arnie was also well known for love of clearance sales. He would spend years collecting junk have a sale himself every now then. Arnie’s funeral will be held today at the Ropeley Lutheran Church 11am. On Arnie’s wishes, Stan Coster’s Schulzies Mountain will be played as he is laid to rest. …………………………………………………………………….. Charmaine’s Notes :- Arnold Victor Schulz was the son of Friederich Herman Carl SCHULZ & Minna WESSLING. Below is a very short ancestor chart for Arnie. 1-Friedrich Heinrich Schulz b. 1862, d. 11 Jan 1901, Q'land + Emma Evaline M Kassulke b. 1863, m. 22 Jan 1889, Q'land, d. 18 May 1945, (Ropeley Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery, Q'land.) |--2-Bertha Albertina Schulz b. 26 Jan 1890, d. 9 Dec 1988, (Evergreen) |--2-Otto August Adolph Schulz b. 31 Mar 1891, Q'land, bur. 18 Nov 1971, Hemmant Cemetery | + Ida Agnes Dodt b. 30 Sep 1895, Q'land., m. 28 Feb 1918, Q'land., bur. 10 Dec 1976, Hemmant Cemetery, par. Adolf Albert Dodt and Auguste Fredericke Wilhelmina Weier |--2-Selma Emilie Auguste Schulz b. 19 Feb 1893, d. 3 May 1981, (Evergreen, Queensland, Australia) | +Albert Wilhelm Janke b. 21 Dec 1889, m. 1 Jun 1911, Q'land., d. 19 Feb 1973, (Evergreen, Q), par. Carl Friedrick Wilhelm Janke and Ida Fredericke Wilhelmine Born |--2-Friederich Hermann Carl Schulz b. 30 Sep 1894, d. 19 Apr 1972, (Ropeley Luth.) | + Minna Wessling b. 1 Jul 1904, Q'land., m. 25 Jul 1923, Q'land., d. 5 Nov 1993, (Ropeley Immanuel Lutheran), par. Carl Friedrich Wessling and Hermine Auguste Emilie Jeschke | |--3-Arnold Victor (Arnie) Schulz b. 18 Aug 1931, d. 21 Dec 2007, (Ropeley Cemetery, Q'land.) |--2-Paul Carl Wilhelm Schulz b. 3 Feb 1897, d. 3 Jul 1984, (Ropeley Luth.) + Minna Matilda Steinhardt b. 8 Jul 1911, m. 15 Feb 1939, Q'land., d. 30 Jan 1987, (Ropeley Luth.), par. Franz Carl Steinhardt and Bertha Auguste Henriette Kleidon ---------------------------------------- Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

We have not photographed Toowoomba, but Tony Vanderpool has done so and will supply the photo if you email him. See his site for detailed instructions: http://www.freewebs.com/toowoombacemetery/ Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Jean Harm" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 239 > Thanks Kerry. > Greatly appreciated confirmation of our information. > I have just joined the Ipswich aus-qld page, in the hope that someone in > the > locality may have access to newspapers with an obituary or a funeral > notice. > I do not know what papers would have been in that area in 1915. > Really grasping at straws now. > I have not looked yet to see if you have photographed the Toowoomba > cemetery, it would be interesting to see the headstone. > Thanks again. Will keep you informed. > Jean. > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi di, i am also looking for my mysterious gggrandmother justine muller just like jean harm, i was wondering if you could send me copy of the electoral rollthat you sent jean please. i have been looking for her for years now. julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Bob & Jean Harm" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] MULLER SPRENGER 1915 Death Certificate Qld re: 1915 Qld Death Certificate of Justine Muller. Hello Jean, me again, not a family member as you'd like, but still putting in my 2 bob's worth! re above death certificate: who was the informant? Are her parents and children not listed? Does it not say for how long this person was in Australia? If it's your Justine, you'd think her husband, Carl, if he was the informant, would have provided enough information for you to figure out it was "your" Justine. If he wasn't the informant, I wonder why he wasn't. Was it a hospital death? If you bought the 1916 marriage certificate of Carl it should say if he was a widower. Is it possible that Carl and Justine had been separated .. that Justine wasn't deceased in 1916? Was he a bigamist? Do you have evidence that the Carl who married Justine is the same Carl who married Agatha? I sent you 1913 Elec. Roll entry ... at Tullegalla..Justine Wilhelmine MULLER & Carl Frederick Wilhelm MULLER. Are these your Justine & Carl? On 1922 Elec. Roll there is no Carl there, but there is a Justine Wilhelmine MULLER. Do you know who she is? On 1903 Elect Roll there is a Justina MÜLLER, Living at Runan, Polling Place Quinalow. Darling Downs Division. The only MULLER living there. Have you accounted for her? Could it be your Justine living apart from Carl? Di Julie Hilton wrote: >>>>I sent for her death certificate and she is not ours >> >>> I was really >>>>disappointed >> as I thought it was ours >> I don't think we will ever >>>>find our auguste or whatever her name was muller. Jean Harm replied: <[email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 238 > Julie. I have been in close contact with the Registrar of B.D.& M. in > > Brisbane. The lady has been most helpful, and gave me the details by > phone, > on the death certificate for the Justine Muller which you have. > She was 95, > our headstone says she would be 75. Maybe there has been a > mixup when > transcribing the written registrations into the computer. Do > not know how > we go about checking that out. Did the certificate you > received say she was > buried in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery?> We > really feel that the dates on the headstone are correct, as Carl > > remarried in 1916, making her death in 1915 very possible. Her birth date > > is as per listing in Brandenberg.> I keep asking hoping that some family > member may have more information than > we have.> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Kerry. Greatly appreciated confirmation of our information. I have just joined the Ipswich aus-qld page, in the hope that someone in the locality may have access to newspapers with an obituary or a funeral notice. I do not know what papers would have been in that area in 1915. Really grasping at straws now. I have not looked yet to see if you have photographed the Toowoomba cemetery, it would be interesting to see the headstone. Thanks again. Will keep you informed. Jean.

> I have just spoken to the lady at the Registry Office, and the Justine > MULLER who died 1915 age 95, was buried at Toowoomba (NOT MINDEN) Here's the record from the Toowoomba online database: Justine MULLER age 94 died 5/02/1915 buried 6/02/1915 Section Lutheran Block 35 Allotment 38 Religion Lutheran so that definitely confirms the burial in Toowoomba. Since we can't find your Justine MULLER in the Qld BDM index, my guess is that her surname got mistranscribed from the handwritten records and that she's there but under some name like Justine NOLLER or something like that. It is a pity that 1915 isn't on the CD-ROMs, or we could have just searched for a list of people who died on 5 Sept 1915 and looked through them for a name that looked a bit like Justine MULLER. Kerry

Di. I have just spoken to the lady at the Registry Office, and the Justine MULLER who died 1915 age 95, was buried at Toowoomba (NOT MINDEN) and the informant was her son-in-law of a name I could not understand, but definitely not a son-in-law of our Justine. I am writing to the Registrar again, and the lady handling my query is going to send me the marriage certificate of Carl F. W. MULLER to Agatha Voss. Thanks again. Jean.

Thanks Di for your continued interest. Julie Hilton did get the certificate for a Justine Muller who died age 95, supposedly dying on the date in 1915. Her maiden name was different, as were her children's names. I also sent for the certificate, but the lady from the Registrar wrote to me telling me it was not consistent with my details sent to her. She was most helpful but I did not ask for all the details you are asking. I have emailed Julie asking for details on her printed copy. I have received nothing from the Registrar from my application, so may phone and ask my money be used to purchase the marriage certificate. We do not know if it was a hospital death, who was the informant etc, but maybe Julie will be able to help there also. I am not sure about the electoral rolls either. My email to you this morning has been returned saying there is no such domain. I phoned my ISP to ask about your address, as I did a "Reply" immediately receiving your message. Evidently Optusnet having problems. Thanks for all your interest. Regards, Jean. .

re: 1915 Qld Death Certificate of Justine Muller. Hello Jean, me again, not a family member as you'd like, but still putting in my 2 bob's worth! re above death certificate: who was the informant? Are her parents and children not listed? Does it not say for how long this person was in Australia? If it's your Justine, you'd think her husband, Carl, if he was the informant, would have provided enough information for you to figure out it was "your" Justine. If he wasn't the informant, I wonder why he wasn't. Was it a hospital death? If you bought the 1916 marriage certificate of Carl it should say if he was a widower. Is it possible that Carl and Justine had been separated .. that Justine wasn't deceased in 1916? Was he a bigamist? Do you have evidence that the Carl who married Justine is the same Carl who married Agatha? I sent you 1913 Elec. Roll entry ... at Tullegalla..Justine Wilhelmine MULLER & Carl Frederick Wilhelm MULLER. Are these your Justine & Carl? On 1922 Elec. Roll there is no Carl there, but there is a Justine Wilhelmine MULLER. Do you know who she is? On 1903 Elect Roll there is a Justina MÜLLER, Living at Runan, Polling Place Quinalow. Darling Downs Division. The only MULLER living there. Have you accounted for her? Could it be your Justine living apart from Carl? Di Julie Hilton wrote: >>>>I sent for her death certificate and she is not ours >> >>> I was really disappointed >> as I thought it was ours >> I don't think we will ever find our auguste or whatever her name was muller. Jean Harm replied: <[email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 238 > Julie. I have been in close contact with the Registrar of B.D.& M. in > Brisbane. The lady has been most helpful, and gave me the details by phone, > on the death certificate for the Justine Muller which you have. She was 95, > our headstone says she would be 75. Maybe there has been a mixup when > transcribing the written registrations into the computer. Do not know how > we go about checking that out. Did the certificate you received say she was > buried in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery?> We really feel that the dates on the headstone are correct, as Carl > remarried in 1916, making her death in 1915 very possible. Her birth date > is as per listing in Brandenberg.> I keep asking hoping that some family member may have more information than > we have.>

Julie. I have been in close contact with the Registrar of B.D.& M. in Brisbane. The lady has been most helpful, and gave me the details by phone, on the death certificate for the Justine Muller which you have. She was 95, our headstone says she would be 75. Maybe there has been a mixup when transcribing the written registrations into the computer. Do not know how we go about checking that out. Did the certificate you received say she was buried in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery? We really feel that the dates on the headstone are correct, as Carl remarried in 1916, making her death in 1915 very possible. Her birth date is as per listing in Brandenberg. I keep asking hoping that some family member may have more information than we have. Her granddaughter is alive in Boonah but cannot recall any information about her grandmother's death. Thanks for your reply. Jean Harm

hi jean, julie here i sent you email about this justine muller if its the same one i thought was our auguste muller, well i sent for her death certificate and she is not ours i would send you a copy of cert. but scanner not working, i can tell you what is on the certificate if you want. i was really dissapointed when i read it as i thought it was ours. so i dont think we will ever find our auguste or whatever her name was muller. julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Jean Harm" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Justine MULLER > Can anyone help with the identification of a headstone in the Minden > Baptist Church Cemetery. It is Justine MULLER, born 8 February 1840 (in > Germany) and died 5 September 1915. > The Registrar of B.D. & M. does not have a registration for this death. > In places she is called Justine/Augustine/Auguste, but no death registered > under any of those names. > > Her husband was Carl Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER born in Germany 19 January > 1842. > Carl and Justine came to Australia with 2 children Wilhelm 3 and > Fredericke 1 on the "Lammershagen" 7 September 1871. > Carl remarried to Agatha Voss nee Zimmerman in 1916, so the time frame > fits for the death of Justine. > I really would appreciate any information. Thanks. > Jean. > > Bob & Jean Harm > GYMPIE QLD > [email protected] > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help with the identification of a headstone in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery. It is Justine MULLER, born 8 February 1840 (in Germany) and died 5 September 1915. The Registrar of B.D. & M. does not have a registration for this death. In places she is called Justine/Augustine/Auguste, but no death registered under any of those names. Her husband was Carl Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER born in Germany 19 January 1842. Carl and Justine came to Australia with 2 children Wilhelm 3 and Fredericke 1 on the "Lammershagen" 7 September 1871. Carl remarried to Agatha Voss nee Zimmerman in 1916, so the time frame fits for the death of Justine. I really would appreciate any information. Thanks. Jean. Bob & Jean Harm GYMPIE QLD [email protected]

re: the missing Justine/Augustine/Auguste/Gustine/Wilhelmine MULLER nee SPRENGER. Possibly buried 1905 Minden Baptist Cemetery. Justine's last child born 1888. Thanks Jean [email protected] for the additional information you send to Lorrae and me. I thought looking at some Electoral Rolls might put Justine and her husband Carl Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER and Carl's new wife, Agatha VOSS nee ZIMMERMANN in perspective. I don't think it has...I think it's added to the confusion. However, this is what I found: 1903: Justina MÜLLER, Living at Runan, Polling Place Quinalow. Darling Downs Division. The only MULLER living there. 1903: Carl Frederick William MULLER. Lowood/Farmer/Fernvale/Moreton. 1903: Carl Frederick William MULLER. Rosewood/Farmer/Tallegalla/Moreton and Augustine Wilhelmine Fredricksen (sic) MULLER, same address .. Tallegalla. 1903: There are a number of MULLERs at Rosewood, but only 2 others at Tallegalla Polling Place: Johann Frederick MULLER, Farmer and Emilie MÜLLER, Home Duties. 1903: There's a Gustav Adolph MULLER/Hilldale Farm/Farmer/Eton/Herbert. 1913: At Tullegalla - Justine Wilhelmine MULLER/Home Duties and Carl Frederick Wilhelm MÜLLER. farmer. 1913: Agatha VOSS at Glamorgan Vale, Marburg, Moreton Divison. Home Duties. 1913: Carl Frederick Wilhelm MULLER, Mondure, Farmer, Kilkivan West, Wide Bay. 1913: Carl Frederick MULLER, Bracken Ridge, Zillmere, Nundah, Lilley. Farmer. 1913: Gustav Adolph MULLER. Eton. Farmer. Mackay. Herbert. and Agnes Hilda and Adelaide. 1913: Gusta MULLER, female, Zillmere. Nundah.Lilley. Home Duties. 1922: Justine Wilhelmine at Tallegalla. No Carl at this address. 1922: Carl Frederick Wilhelm MULLER at Pialba. and another one at Marburg. Both farmers. 1934 when your Carl died: Carl Frederick Wilhelm MULLER/Pialba/Farmer/ Pialba/Wide Bay. 1934: Agatha MULLER/Marburg/Home Duties/Marburg/Darling Downs. E&Oe. Following from Elaine Smith's cemetery inscriptions: Cemetery: Minden Baptist Cemetery Section: Monumental, Lot: , Row: 9, Stone: 7 Name: MULLER, Justine Birth: 8/2/1840 Death: 5/9/1915 Aged: 75 Years, 6 Months, 28 Days, Inscriptions: Hier Ruhet in Gott, Justine Muller, Geb Deb 8 1840, Gest Sep 5 1915, O Gott, meine sonne und schild, In Dir fand ioh leben und heil, Verklart in dein himmlisches bild, Lobpreis ich dich, Herrlichstes theil I thought the inscription may give a lead, but no...the two very bad translations (free online) give away nothing. Here Resting in God, Justine Muller, Geb Deb 8 in 1840, Gest Sep 5 in 1915, O God, mine suns itself and schild, in you found ioh live and healthy, Verklart in yours heavenly bild, Praising I you, most marvelous theil ---------------- Here rest in God, Justine Muller, Geb Deb 8 1840, Gest September 5 1915, O God, my suns and sign, in you found ioh live and welfare, made a sea protest into your himmlisches picture, praise price I you, wonderful width unit theil ~~~ Di R.

> Bob & Jean Harm > [email protected] wrote: >>>>>Would there be any descendants of a Justine MULLER, born 8 February 1840 in Germany, and came to >>>>> Australia with her husband Carl Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER, and 2 children. They subsequently had 6 >>>>> more children. The Registrar of B.D.&M. does not have any record of this lady, so we cannot include her connection >>>>> to the family without some proof. Justine died on 5 September 1915, > headstone is in the Minden Baptist Church >>>>>Cemetery. Her husband remarried in 1916. Bob & Jean, . what year . what ship . at what age did Justine and her husband come to Australia (I guess you mean Queensland?) Is she called just "Justine" on immigration records? What are the names, if any, of other MULLERs buried in Minden Baptist Church cemetery? The MULLER/ZILLMAN(N) connection I mentioned in my earlier email "August Frederick Wilhelm MULLER and Wilhelmine Justine Emilie ZILLMAN had eleven children between 1891 and 1905 on Qld BDM)" - this couple were married 9 Sept.1886 (1886/001268) and had Frederick Wilhelm 31 July 1888 (1888/008451). Obviously not your couple as you say your couple came to Australia already married. Also, can't be the Justine 1840-1915 as starting a family in 1888 and having all those other children after that, would make her too old. The other possible "Justine" Muller, Maria Justine SCHONWALDT, also married in Queensland (in 1866) (this year seems more probable for someone born 1840) and had her last child to Ferdinand Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER 24 November 1890. I wonder if your Carl Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER, could be this Ferdinand Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER? Di

Hello Jean and Bob Re as Lorrae says below, "several christian names" have you looked at the possibility of this: August Frederick Wilhelm MULLER and Wilhelmine Justine Emilie ZILLMAN had eleven children between 1891 and 1905 on Qld BDM. Also, Ferdinand Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER and Maria Justine SCHONWALDT had Joachim Friederick 24 Nov. 1890. Di "Bob & Jean Harm" wrote: Justine MULLER > > > Would there be any descendants of a Justine MULLER, born 8 February 1840 in Germany, and came to > Australia with her husband Carl Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER, and 2 children. They subsequently had 6 > more children. > Justine died on 5 September 1915, and her headstone is in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery. > Her husband remarried in 1916. > The Registrar of B.D.&M. does not have any record of this lady, so we cannot include her connection > to the family without some proof. > The records at the Minden Baptist Church just show her date of birth and date of death, no other > information. > It is quite an imposing headstone, with a German inscription which when translated, does not give > any information. > Any scrap of information would be greatly appreciated. > Jean Harm > > Bob & Jean Harm "Lorrae" wrote: To: "'R. & J. Harm'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Justine MULLER > Hi Bob and Jean > > I understand the headstone reads 'Justine' but with most german folks, they had several christian > names. > > If they had another 6 children here in Qld, were they not registered? You obviously know their > names. I have a few Carl Friedrick Wilhelm MULLERs, only one born in 1842 and married to Augustine SPRENGER > (whose mother was Justine) and then to Agatha (nee Zimmerman) VOSS on 04Dec1916. I have 8 children > to his first wife. > (That is, if my information is correct). He died in 1934 and is buried at Ipswich.

Hi Bob and Jean I understand the headstone reads 'Justine' but with most german folks, they had several christian names. If they had another 6 children here in Qld, were they not registered? You obviously know their names. Her husband was good to remarry when in his 70's. I have a few Carl Friedrick Wilhelm MULLERs, only one born in 1842 and married to Augustine SPRENGER (whose mother was Justine) and then to Agatha (nee Zimmerman) VOSS on 04Dec1916. I have 8 children to his first wife. (That is, if my information is correct). He died in 1934 and is buried at Ipswich. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich From: "Bob & Jean Harm" <[email protected]> Subject: [Gen-Qld] Justine MULLER Would there be any descendants of a Justine MULLER, born 8 February 1840 in Germany, and came to Australia with her husband Carl Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER, and 2 children. They subsequently had 6 more children. Justine died on 5 September 1915, and her headstone is in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery. Her husband remarried in 1916. The Registrar of B.D.&M. does not have any record of this lady, so we cannot include her connection to the family without some proof. The records at the Minden Baptist Church just show her date of birth and date of death, no other information. It is quite an imposing headstone, with a German inscription which when translated, does not give any information. Any scrap of information would be greatly appreciated. Jean Harm Bob & Jean Harm GYMPIE QLD [email protected]

Hello List I'm doing up a scrapbook for my Goddaughter who has Irish and German ancestry. By Googling I've found more than enough "Irish Baptism Blessings" : this is one that I will use: "May God grant you always a sunbeam to warm you, a moonbeam to charm you, a sheltering angel.........friends near you....heaven to hear you .." Is there something, in a similar vein, I could use for a German blessing? Nothing too heavy. I can't find anything on the web. Also, I remember reading once, on the Web, how, in Germany, people were choosing a number of god parents who were high-ranking, not just the usual relatives. The reason: so that the child would benefit socially and materially. This practice was frowned upon and the number of god parents was thereafter limited. Can anyone lead me in the right direction for this, please? Di

You must have had a Wonderful holiday Kerry, being free from at least one type of worldly contact...anyway I hope so.!! Happy Christmas from a grateful fan. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Cemetery Records >> I have been able to access many headstone photos and cemetery information >> from David Horton & Kerry Raymond's Chapel Hill site. The site appears >> to >> be 'down' I have tried to contact Kerry without success. Does anyone >> know anything about the site and if it is going to come 'up' again? > > Sorry, we were away on holidays (and not connected to the Internet!) and > just returned home today to find that our home modem had a problem while > we > were away, which made our WWW site unreachable. The site is back up and > running again.