Judy I do have my Wagner's shipping list. I know the family came from Niederasphe in Kurhessen but I am sure the names I have for the children are their second names. Thankyou for the help you gave. Yvonne

Thankyou Albert. Do you know how I can contact the John Wagner you mentioned? Is he in Toowoomba? By the way, there was a Gladys Grulke ( aged 80 now ) who was in my class at Marburg Primary School. Yvonne

Yvonne Have you been able to check the Hamburg list for your family?...this may give alternate names. The parents death certificates should also list their names and ages [though not always] and often the names given on a death certificate were nick names German names are often a quandary and in my family often were given a string of names which often incorporated all the sponsors at their baptism :) They then may have been known in the family by one, two or none of these! ...and of course the names were often anglicized Have you been able to find any baptismal records yet? these may help. The Hamburg shipping will give you the last address of the family if you don't already have a place of birth for at least Anna Gertrude from her marriage certificate. Judy > My greatgrandmother Anna Gertrude Wagner arrived in South East > Queensland aboard the " La Rochelle "in 1862 with her parents Johannes > Wagner and Catharina Pruss. On the shipping list she was named > Gertrude which is her second name. Her siblings were named Catherine, > Andreas, Johannes, Catherine, Elizabeth, Catherine and Johannes which > obviously are their second names. The whole family reportedly moved to > Sydney soon after arrival. Anna Gertrude returned to SEQ and in 1968 > married Herman Muller. Does anyone know how I can find Anna Gertrude's > sibling's first names? I was reared in Marburg (Yvonne Woodward ) and > never met any of those siblings----I would love to trace them. > > > Yvonne Biddle > > Sydney >

My greatgrandmother Anna Gertrude Wagner arrived in South East Queensland aboard the " La Rochelle "in 1862 with her parents Johannes Wagner and Catharina Pruss. On the shipping list she was named Gertrude which is her second name. Her siblings were named Catherine, Andreas, Johannes, Catherine, Elizabeth, Catherine and Johannes which obviously are their second names. The whole family reportedly moved to Sydney soon after arrival. Anna Gertrude returned to SEQ and in 1968 married Herman Muller. Does anyone know how I can find Anna Gertrude's sibling's first names? I was reared in Marburg (Yvonne Woodward ) and never met any of those siblings----I would love to trace them. Yvonne Biddle Sydney

Colin Larter wrote [email protected] > Lynnette thanks for the reply. The only detail I have been given is the name > and he died in WW 2. And that he was married to Ione Mieland. I wonder if > the "Thomas" name is correct as there is no Thomas in the AIF list of people> killed. 1934 Elec. Roll: Ione MIELAND, Florence Edith HUTCHINS & William George HUTCHINS all at Holmes Street, Brassall. Bremer, Moreton. Florence & Ione = Home Duties. Brassall is close to/a suburb of Ipswich .... see place of birth below for William George HUTCHINS. Service Record Name HUTCHINS, WILLIAM GEORGE Service Australian Army Service Number QX13265 Date of Birth 17 Apr 1901 Place of Birth IPSWICH, QLD Date of Enlistment 17 Jul 1940 Locality on Enlistment FUICH HATTON (this should be Finch Hatton) Place of Enlistment MACKAY, QLD Next of Kin HUTCHINS, HANNAH Date of Discharge 26 Aug 1940 Rank Private Posting at Discharge AUSTRALIAN IMPERIAL FORCE WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display Prisoner of War No Commonwealth War Graves Commission: Thomas Hutchins' death in WW2: HUTCHINS, THOMAS Private VX50460 04/09/1945 32 Australian Infantry Australian 19. A. 12. AMBON WAR Cem. There are some other Australian HUTCHINS - casualties - on this site. Have you searched the National Archives of Aust. site, RecordSearch, logging in as Guest User? Di.

Lynnette thanks for the reply. The only detail I have been given is the name and he died in WW 2. And that he was married to Ione Mieland. I wonder if the "Thomas" name is correct as there is no Thomas in the AIF list of people killed. Regards Colin Larter

> Colin Larder wrote: Thursday, 3 January 2008 7:16 AM> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Hutchins> > Would there be a person with details on a Thomas Hutchins who married a Ione> Mieland in 1939 Lynette wrote: "lhauck" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Hutchins> >>>I have some Hutchins in my research. I don't recall coming across a Thomas > though. Do you have any more info regarding parents, siblings etc please > that might help find a link?> The following Thomas HUTCHINS on 1934 Electoral Roll Qld. : Thomas. Four-Mile, Charleville. carrier. Subdivision : Charleville Division : Maranoa Thomas Edwin. 25 Barolin St. carpenter Subdivision : Bundaberg Division : Capricornia Thomas Henry. Corona avenue, Ashgrove. clerk. Enoggera. Division: Lilley Thomas Saunders (Snr). 32 Richmond lane. labourer. Subdivision: Maryborough . Division : Wide Bay Thomas Saunders. 123 Walker St. butcher. Subdivision : Maryborough. Division : Wide Bay

Hi Colin I have some Hutchins in my research. I don't recall coming across a Thomas though. Do you have any more info regarding parents, siblings etc please that might help find a link? Cheers, Lynnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Larter Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2008 7:16 AM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Hutchins Would there be a person with details on a Thomas Hutchins who married a Ione Mieland in 1939 Regards Colin Larter A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would there be a person with details on a Thomas Hutchins who married a Ione Mieland in 1939 Regards Colin Larter

Thats the family that I am looking for. I am looking for connections with Henry Focht/Fogt also in Tenterfield. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Burton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Drennert > > Kerry > > I can help re. DRENNERT (Tenterfield, NSW), but I would need to look at > some of my old files, etc. first ... maybe this evening? > > William was of German background; place of origin, from memory, is > 'Kurhessen' ie. the Electorate of Hessen, which is now part of Hessen > Kassel. Again, I really need to look at some of my notes again. > > William married a woman I believe 'belongs' to me ie. Auguste KOCH. > (Marriage actually registered as 'KOCK' NSW Ref. 3064/1862) > > Rgs > Lisa > Gladstone, Q > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kerry I can help re. DRENNERT (Tenterfield, NSW), but I would need to look at some of my old files, etc. first ... maybe this evening? William was of German background; place of origin, from memory, is 'Kurhessen' ie. the Electorate of Hessen, which is now part of Hessen Kassel. Again, I really need to look at some of my notes again. William married a woman I believe 'belongs' to me ie. Auguste KOCH. (Marriage actually registered as 'KOCK' NSW Ref. 3064/1862) Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders

I am looking for info for a friend...I am unsure if this family is of german origin but on naturalisation certificate in 1862 it states that William Drennert came from Checkhersessen . Any ideas on this place or family would help! Regards, Kerry W

Dear Chris There may be a connection with the following Schulz/Marquardt family: A Schulz family lived near Boonah. They emigrated from Germany c. 1881 but the mother died on the ship. The parents were Carl and Fredericke (nee Guse) Schulz, with teenage children Paul, Herman, August, Clara, Emma, Bertha, and Helene. They were born in the town of Bublitz in Germany. Father Carl died at Dugandan in 1897 and was buried at Hoya (Teviotville). They were very committed memebers of the Teviotville (Hoya) Evangelical Lutheran Church and married members of this church from Headington Hill. Louise Marquardt came out from Bublitz Germany and married Herman Schulz in 1911 at Boonah, ie 20 years after her husband emigrated. They lived at Fassifern Valley near Boonah and had 6 children, Alice (who later married Riney Renz), Augustus (Alf), Martin, Erna Clara, Bernard and Verner Eric (Billy Bode). Herman died in 1926 and his wife Louise died in 1927, leaving the children orphans. There are no descendants of this family. Emma Schulz did not marry and remained around Boonah all her life. August Schulz married Alma Stehn but she died within a few months. He married Millie Nielsen in 1916 in Toowoomba. They had six children. August was a builder and initially the couple lived in Toowoomba before moving to Clifton. August died in 1939 in Toowoomba. Clara Schulz married Dick Weber and lived on the Downs. Her two daughters married a father and son. Bertha Schulz married Heinrich Liekefett 1885 and had 8 children around Boonah, including Martha who married Ted Stehn and Johanna who married Otto Stehn. They were brothers of Alma Stehn who married August Schulz the uncle of Martha and Johanna, ie the Stehn brothers married their late sister's neices. Helene Schulz married Hermann Liekefett in 1895 and also had 9 children. They lived at Barney View, Palen Ck and Fassifern. Paul married and had children. There was a triple wedding in the family. It took place on 31 January 1911, involving Herman Schulz and Louise nee Marquardt, Ted Stehn and Martha nee Liekefett (neice of Herman and Clara) Adolph Dick Weber and Clara nee Schulz. Herman and Clara Schulz were brother and sister, while Ted Stehn's sister Alma married Augustus Schulz, their brother. Ted Stehn was the conductor of the Teviotville Lutheran Church choir, and his brother William went to theological college in Adelaide with Pastor Bode the Pastor of the Teviotville Lutheran Church. Hope this helps. Angela -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2008 12:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Harry SCHULZ sister Alice Schultz married HermanMARQUARDT-connection with KAPERNICK Hi I noticed Lorrae's and Di Randell's posting re Harry SCHULZ. There may be a connection between this SCHULTZ family and my KAPERNICK family through Harry's sister Alice who according to Di married Hermann MARQUARDT. Wondering if anyone has any further information? Here's what I have at the moment: Clarence MARQUARDT m.Joyce KAPERNICK Father:Walter Albert KAPERNICK Mother:Henriette Leah OSBORNE I have four children and quite a few grandchildren for this couple but I do not have dates for all of them. Also: I have a descendant of Heinrich Ernest MARQUARDT and Ellen FRANKLIN marrying a KAPERNICK but they are still living. Anyone who knows of the SCHULZ-MARQUARDT descendants no of any connection? Regards Chris Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>I have also noted that some add an 'e' and others do not. Seems no logic. A > bit like Volker and Folker, nobody knows why. If the "E" come after "A", "O", or "U", then you are probably seeing a confusion on how to represent the German umlaut (the two dots over A/O/U) as, by convention, these are written as AE, OE and UE if the umlaut is not available (e.g. on a printing press). When our ancestors with umlauts in their name came to Australia, Australians didn't understand this convention with the "E" and often simply omitted the umlaut without adding the E, so you often find those German names in Australia spelled both with and without the E. See here for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut_%28diacritic%29#Printing_conventions_in_German Kerry

Hi Chris Herman Franz MARQUARDT b: 26 Oct 1896, married: 4 Dec 1929 Alice Alwina SCHULTZ b: 17 Jun 1904 They had one son, possibley living, that I know of. I have nothing more on the MARQUARDT family as yet. I can assist with my SCHULTZ family. Cheers Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2008 12:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Harry SCHULZ sister Alice Schultz married HermanMARQUARDT-connection with KAPERNICK Hi I noticed Lorrae's and Di Randell's posting re Harry SCHULZ. There may be a connection between this SCHULTZ family and my KAPERNICK family through Harry's sister Alice who according to Di married Hermann MARQUARDT. Wondering if anyone has any further information? Here's what I have at the moment: Clarence MARQUARDT m.Joyce KAPERNICK Father:Walter Albert KAPERNICK Mother:Henriette Leah OSBORNE I have four children and quite a few grandchildren for this couple but I do not have dates for all of them. Also: I have a descendant of Heinrich Ernest MARQUARDT and Ellen FRANKLIN marrying a KAPERNICK but they are still living. Anyone who knows of the SCHULZ-MARQUARDT descendants no of any connection? Regards Chris Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I noticed Lorrae's and Di Randell's posting re Harry SCHULZ. There may be a connection between this SCHULTZ family and my KAPERNICK family through Harry's sister Alice who according to Di married Hermann MARQUARDT. Wondering if anyone has any further information? Here's what I have at the moment: Clarence MARQUARDT m.Joyce KAPERNICK Father:Walter Albert KAPERNICK Mother:Henriette Leah OSBORNE I have four children and quite a few grandchildren for this couple but I do not have dates for all of them. Also: I have a descendant of Heinrich Ernest MARQUARDT and Ellen FRANKLIN marrying a KAPERNICK but they are still living. Anyone who knows of the SCHULZ-MARQUARDT descendants no of any connection? Regards Chris Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

Albert, Your Volker and Folker are easy to understand as the V in German would be pronounced as F. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2008 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 I have also noted that some add an 'e' and others do not. Seems no logic. A bit like Volker and Folker, nobody knows why. Albert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob & Claire Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Even today, brothers in this family cannot put an explanation to this and some of them use a T and others not. Bob

I have also noted that some add an 'e' and others do not. Seems no logic. A bit like Volker and Folker, nobody knows why. Albert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob & Claire Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Even today, brothers in this family cannot put an explanation to this and some of them use a T and others not. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lorrae Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 12:15 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Newspaper List Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Thanks Di I noticed that there was no T in his surname. When his parents and elder 9 siblings were born, they were all registered as SCHULTZ - with the T. Albert Ernest SCHULTZ Born: 26 September 1873 +Bertha Emelia Alberttena GEHRKE Married: 16 March 1899 Minden, Qld, Aust ....... 2 Maria Emielie SCHULTZ Born: 9 June 1899 ....... 2 Gustav Wilhelm SCHULTZ Born: 24 June 1901 ....... 2 Alice Alwina SCHULTZ Born: 17 June 1904 ....... 2 Ethel Theresa SCHULTZ Born: 4 February 1907 ....... 2 Walter Herman SCHULTZ Born: 8 May 1908 Died: 6 December 1991 Burial: Lockrose, Qld, Aust ........... +Dorothy MULLER known as: Dora Born: 1 April 1907 Lowood, Qld, Aust Married: 4 January 1933 Died: 21 November 2000 Laidley, Qld, Aust Burial: 24 November 2000 Lockrose, Qld, Aust Father: Albert MULLER Mother: Emma Maria HAHN ....... 2 Victor Ernest SCHULTZ Born: 25 November 1909 Qld, Aust Died: 7 June 1999 Burial: 9 June 1999 Gatton, Qld, Aust ........... +Lilly MULLER Born: 8 January 1911 Married: 20 July 1936 Died: 12 May 2001 Burial: Gatton, Qld, Aust Father: Albert MULLER Mother: Emma Maria HAHN ....... 2 Willie Fred SCHULTZ Born: 2 August 1911 ....... 2 David Erich SCHULTZ Born: 14 February 1913 Died: 2 November 2001 Burial: Lowood Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Qld, Aust ........... +Grace Louisa ?? Born: Abt. 1916 Died: 22 July 1994 Burial: Lowood Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Qld, Aust ....... 2 Erich Albert SCHULTZ Born: 22 June 1914 ....... 2 Herman Albert SCHULZ known as: Harry Born: 1 August 1915 Lowood, Qld, Aust Died: 30 March 2007 Maryborough, Qld, Aust ........... +Dorothy Mabel GUSE known as: Dora Married: February 1939 Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Di Randell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2007 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ 1915-2007 Courier Mail May 17th, 2007 Harry SCHULZ Farmer Born: Lowood, August 1, 1915 Died: Maryborough, March 30, 2007. Not afraid of hard work Herman Albert (Harry) SCHULZ would take his eldest daughter to school perched with him on a horse while he balanced a can of cream to be left at the railway station. Eventually, he would buy a car - a red two-seater with a jump seat - and in his lifetime six more cars, all from Huston's in Wondai. Harry was born at "Hillside" near Lowood, the 10th child of Albert Ernest SCHULZ and Bertha Emilie Albertine (GEHRKE) in a family of seven boys and four girls. He was confirmed at Hillside Coolana Lutheran Church in October 1930. Several years later he left the home at Coolana and moved to Chelmsford, near Wondai, to work for his sister Alice and her husband, Herman MARQUAEDR. There he met Dorothy Mabel (Dora) GUSE, when he arrived at her farm one day with two horses and a wagon to deliver meat for wurst-making. The couple was married at Mondure Lutheran Church in February 1939. They worked for Dick and Hulda GUSE and lived in a farm cottage for five years. Mrs SCHULZ was good with horses. He knew how to grow sweet potatoes from growing up in the Lockyer Valley and he was not afraid of hard work. Their first child was born at the end of 1939. They started to save money together and with help from Dick bought a 160 acre (65ha) farm at Charlestown Rd. Tingoora, in June 1945. It cost 3000 pounds and they paid off the debt in a year. A second child was born and they set about raising their family and farming the land. Mr SCHULZ loved his working horses and used them extensively for farming work including hay making, ploughing, scuffling crops and transport. The farm was productive, with a dairy where all the family members had cows to milk. Milk separated from the cream was gravity fed downhill to a piggery. They had lots of breeding hens for eggs and meat; a huge hayshed stored hay, and corn picked by hand. One year, on some new ground he prepared, Mr SCHULZ grew a new crop called red spanish peanuts. He and the neighbours who helped with the harvest had never seen anything like it; a record yield for the time, 50 bags an acre and the stooks were four to a chain. The hard work never stopped but tractors, including an International H model with steel wheels, eventually saw the horses put out to pasture and mechanised farming took over. Mr SCHULZ was severely injured in a tractor accident in 1958. The family worshipped with other Lutherans in the little Methodist church on the hill in Tingoora, until the congregation built a church of their own opposite the school. Mrs SCHLULZ would play the organ while her husband would sing the old hymns while trying to handle their next two children who had since been born. His entertainment was lying down on the wooden floor in the kitchen after lunch and listening to the program "Blue Hills" on ABC radio. As soon as the episode was over it was back out to work. The family bought another farm and more machinery and mechanised the dairy. Eldest daughter Rita had gone off nursing and eldest son Kevin eventually bought the farm in 1969. Mr and Mrs SCHULZ "retired" to Wondai where they were to live for more than 30 years, and their grandchildren and great-grandchildren would play in his big chook pen and on their adjacent spare allotment. Again, through hard work, Mr SCHULZ developed an interest in showing and breeding brown leghorn fowls and took many prizes in competitions throughout the South Burnett region. He loved harness racing and could always be found in the stands when the trots were held at the local shows. He and his wife also started propagating plants and selling them at markets and soon they had established the thriving Wondai Plant Nursery. They were always ready to share knowledge and kept up this interest in horticulture until they moved from Wondai to Hervey Bay in 2002, and then to Maryborough and Fairhaven Retirement Village. Even at the village Mr SCHULZ was out in the garden whenever he could, tending to pot plants, the lily garden he established and checking the wind direction and speed of the miniature windmill which reminded him of the farm. He loved children and made time to talk with them and listen with interest to what they were doing. Sometimes he would teach them about growing vegetables and plants, breeding chooks and farming. Mr SCHULZ is survived by Dora, his wife of 68 years, three children, 10 grandchildren, 13 great-grandchildren, a sister and two brothers. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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Sylvia wrote > >> when the Laffey arrived in Australia approx 1880--90 pioneered at Mt Sylvia Sylvia, there are four LAFFEYs on Electoral Roll in Queensland from 1880: James - Leasehold, Helidon, Gatton/Stanley, was on Electoral Roll from 1880 to 1884. John, Patrick & Thomas - Residence, Helidon, Gatton/Stanley, in 1884. Google Map (thank you, Eric K .... I use the English version all the time now!) shows Mt. Sylvia 27.6 km from Helidon. Di

From: Kevin Niethe Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 9:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Laffey family history Hi! Listers , can anyone know when the Laffey arrived in Australia approx 1880--90 pioneered at Mt Sylvia