Some Ehmk's from the Sch-Holstein site http://www.rootdigger.de/ who came to Australia. Ehmcke, Hinrich ~ 1823 Cabinet-maker. Permission for emigration granted in 1854. AUS Ehmk, Christian He emigrated to America, with his family : ¥ Krueger, Anna Dorothea * 1815. Their children : Magdalena, Christina, Sophia, and Peter. USA Ehmk, Christina dof Christian ¥ Anna Dorothea née Krueger. See there. She was probably born in the 1840' ies. USA Ehmk, Magdalena * 1839 dof Christian ¥ Anna Dorothea née Krueger. See there. USA Ehmk, Peter sof Christian ¥ Anna Dorothea née Krueger. See there. He was probably born in the later 1840' ies. USA Ehmk, Sophia dof Christian ¥ Anna Dorothea née Krueger. See there. She was probably born in the 1840' ies. USA Ehmke, Johanna Maria Hinriette * 1843 29 Nov dof Hermann * 1817 ¥ Auguste Maria Friederike née Barckow. See there. Emigration in 1848. AUS Ehmke, Auguste Margaretha Friederike * 1845 7 Feb. dof Hermann * 1817 ¥ Auguste Maria Friederike née Barckow. See there. Emigration in 1848. AUS Ehmke, Emma Francisca Christina * 1846 13 Apr. dof Hermann * 1817 ¥ Auguste Maria Friederike née Barckow. See there. Emigration in 1848. AUS Ehmke, Fritz Gustav Ludwig Anton * 1847 2 Nov. sof Hermann * 1817 ¥ Auguste Maria Friederike née Barckow. See there. Emigration in 1848. AUS Ehmke, Johann Wilhelm Theodor * 1842 15 Aug sof Hermann * 1817 ¥ Auguste Maria Friederike née Barckow. See there. Emigration in 1848. AUS Ehmke, Hermann (Emke) (Herm. Heinrich Wilhelm) * 1817 Son of Maria Trueh and Johann Diedrich Ehmke. He emigrated to Australia in 1848, with his family : ¥ Barckow, Auguste Maria Friederike. Five children : Johanna Maria Hinriette, Auguste Margaretha Friederike, Emma Francisca Christina, Fritz Gustav Ludwig Anton, and Johann Wilhelm Theodor. AUS Regards, Kerry W

Hi Gay, Thanks for the info. It would appear that this is the same person that both Kerry and Di also gave some information on. They all help to make a bigger picture. We will look into this Christian further. Thanks again Noel & Del From: "Gay Fielding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:49:33 +1000 Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Christian Emke Send reply to: [email protected] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] This may be the same man....at www.naa.gov.au He applied for Naturalisation, and there should quite a lot of information on the file, which will verify whether he is the same person.... C.F. Christian Fredrick Ehrke - Naturalization Series number A1Control symbol 1920/6311Contents date range 1917 - 1920 Access status OpenLocation CanberraBarcode 38595 Cheers Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Christian Emke >> We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived in >> Australia in 1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa >> 1842 and his last place of residence was given as Linden Holstein. > > Could the name be EHRKE? That might be mistranscribed as EMKE. There > is certainly a Christian EHRKE in the records, marrying in Brisbane > in 1876, died in 1926 and buried in Bald Hills cemetery. > > Kerry > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who > migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerry, Thanks for the suggestion. We use your site regularly and find it a great resource. When you were off line recently, we thought it was a major catastrophe. The age of the Christian Ehrke is about 7 years off, but we will look into it further. Thanks again for your help Regards Noel & Del From: "Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:16:18 +1000 Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Christian Emke Send reply to: [email protected] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived in > Australia in 1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa > 1842 and his last place of residence was given as Linden Holstein. Could the name be EHRKE? That might be mistranscribed as EMKE. There is certainly a Christian EHRKE in the records, marrying in Brisbane in 1876, died in 1926 and buried in Bald Hills cemetery. Kerry A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm re-sending this email as it didn't seem to get through to the list: "Noel & Del Bergman" wrote: > We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived >>1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa > 1842> We have only been able to find reference to one other Emke in Qld up > to 1914. > > We have looked under different variants of the urname.> > Can anyone help. Hello Dell & Noel On Qld. Roll 1881-1884 there is a Carl EMPE at Cabbage-Tree Creek, Enogerra. Having a look around FamilySearch, these spellings come up for "Emke": EMPKE EHMKE EHMCKE (Schleswig Holstein) EHMCK EHMKE Using Wildcards on Digger CD - there's a marriage in Brisbane 23 July 1876 of Christian Friedrich EHRKE to Maria Wilhelmine Louise EHRENREICH and on that same CD some of their children up to 1889. EMKE = EHMKE = EHRKE? Di R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Christian Emke

This may be the same man....at www.naa.gov.au He applied for Naturalisation, and there should quite a lot of information on the file, which will verify whether he is the same person.... C.F. Christian Fredrick Ehrke - Naturalization Series number A1Control symbol 1920/6311Contents date range 1917 - 1920 Access status OpenLocation CanberraBarcode 38595 Cheers Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Christian Emke >> We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived in >> Australia in 1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa >> 1842 and his last place of residence was given as Linden Holstein. > > Could the name be EHRKE? That might be mistranscribed as EMKE. There is > certainly a Christian EHRKE in the records, marrying in Brisbane in 1876, > died in 1926 and buried in Bald Hills cemetery. > > Kerry > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

> We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived in > Australia in 1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa > 1842 and his last place of residence was given as Linden Holstein. Could the name be EHRKE? That might be mistranscribed as EMKE. There is certainly a Christian EHRKE in the records, marrying in Brisbane in 1876, died in 1926 and buried in Bald Hills cemetery. Kerry

"Noel & Del Bergman" wrote: > We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived >>1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa > 1842> We have only been able to find reference to one other Emke in Qld up > to 1914. > > We have looked under different variants of the urname.> > Can anyone help. Hello Dell & Noel On Qld. Roll 1881-1884 there is a Carl EMPE at Cabbage-Tree Creek, Enogerra. Having a look around FamilySearch, these spellings come up for "Emke": EMPKE EHMKE EHMCKE (Schleswig Holstein) EHMCK EHMKE Using Wildcards on Digger CD - there's a marriage in Brisbane 23 July 1876 of Christian Friedrich EHRKE to Maria Wilhelmine Louise EHRENREICH and on that same CD some of their children up to 1889. EMKE = EHMKE = EHRKE? Di R

Hi Group, We are interested in information on Christian Emke. He arrived in Australia in 1865 on the ship Susanne Godeffroy. He was born circa 1842 and his last place of residence was given as Linden Holstein. We have only been able to find reference to one other Emke in Qld up to 1914. We have also looked at Victoria, WA, Tasmania, NSW and SA We have looked under different variants of the surname. Can anyone help. Regards Noel & Del Bergman

Hi Group, Thank you everyone who responded to our query re work agreements. We have some interesting leads and lots of suggestions for bed time reading. It is great how the group responds to help each other. Thanks Noel & Del Date sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:50:15 +1000 To: [email protected] From: Judy Webster <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Work Agreements Copies to: [email protected] >agreement made in Hamburg between JAMES B ATKINS of Koowona Qld, as >represented by JOHANN CHRISTIAN HEUSSLER, and FRIEDERICH KUMMEROW of >Tetzmick who signed his name with an X, and had emigrated with his >wife LOUISA and child FREDERICK on that ship, and was witnessed by >J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS and C. KUMMEROW. Basicly, it was a work >agreement and criticism that followed. Has anyone else happened upon >information on these types of agreements. I may be giving you false hope, but you could perhaps try: 1. Card Index to Ships (in the Public Search Room at Qld State Archives). 2. Colonial Secretary's Office registers of in-letters (at Qld State Archives). Answers to many questions about Qld research are on my Web site, www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html. It has about 100 pages of information/advice, and over 40,000 names from Archives sources, cemeteries etc. Judy ****************************************************** *** Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia. Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources). Indexes & advice: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html My family tree: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/surnames.html ****************************************************** ***

Hello Noel & Del, Have you read a "Colonial Father" The Story of a German-Born Queenslander J C Heussler as told by his great grandson Robert C Heussler published in 2001. I am pretty sure it is available in your state library. This book could prove very helpful as J C Heussler was the person responsible for the contingents of German emigrants (6653) under his auspices who settled to Queensland. Robert is still alive and visits Queensland from time to time. I know Robert and the Heussler family were delighted when the Heussler room was dedicated to his gt grandfather in their old family home "Fernberg" which is now Government house in Brisbane. Ships Cesar Godeffroy, La Rochelle, Alster, Beausite, San Francisco, Susanne Godeffroy, Johann Cesar, Wilhelmsburg, Helene, Peter Godeffroy, Sophie & the Wandrahm are documented in his book. As for the contracts that Lisa has referred to I have just sent you an e-mail with the complete National Library of Australia referrence details. I came across these papers of Joseph Docker back in 1997 but was unable to visit Canberra to view them, a friend copied them some years ago and I can send you details offline. You should also read *The *migrant* *shepherd* : Ober-Rosbach to Tenterfield / by E. Lloyd Sommerlad.* from memory I think there was a contract reproduced in that publication. Useful reading is the series of the articles published in the Journal of Burwood & District Family History Group about 15 ships have been expertly documented already. You will then get an idea of the government resources available in NSW which included Queensland prior to 1859 and then try to locate similar resources in Queensland located in State archives and libraries both state and national. Kindest regards, Elizabeth Noel & Del Bergman wrote: > Hi Group, > > We were going over some old postings and found this one which we > found particularly interesting. > > It was submitted by Jon Kehrer on 28 Jun 1999 and contained a > newspaper article published "Country Intelligence. Ipswich. (From our > own correspondent.) Saturday, February 22", Moreton Bay Courier, > 25th February 1862, page 3. > > It contained a copy of an agreement made in Hamburg between > JAMES B ATKINS of Koowona Qld, as represented by JOHANN > CHRISTIAN HEUSSLER, and FRIEDERICH KUMMEROW of > Tetzmick who signed his name with an X, and had emigrated with > his wife LOUISA and child FREDERICK on that ship, and was > witnessed by J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS and C. KUMMEROW. > > Basicly, it was a work agreement and criticism that followed. Has > anyone else happened upon information on these types of > agreements. > > Regards > > Noel & Del Bergman > > > > >

>agreement made in Hamburg between JAMES B ATKINS of Koowona Qld, as >represented by JOHANN CHRISTIAN HEUSSLER, and FRIEDERICH KUMMEROW of >Tetzmick who signed his name with an X, and had emigrated with his >wife LOUISA and child FREDERICK on that ship, and was witnessed by >J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS and C. KUMMEROW. Basicly, it was a work >agreement and criticism that followed. Has anyone else happened >upon information on these types of agreements. I may be giving you false hope, but you could perhaps try: 1. Card Index to Ships (in the Public Search Room at Qld State Archives). 2. Colonial Secretary's Office registers of in-letters (at Qld State Archives). Answers to many questions about Qld research are on my Web site, www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html. It has about 100 pages of information/advice, and over 40,000 names from Archives sources, cemeteries etc. Judy ********************************************************* Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia. Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources). Indexes & advice: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html My family tree: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/surnames.html *********************************************************

I actually have a copy of the Kummerow work agreement. I am happy to find it and share it around. This is an interesting story because my wife's mother was Kummerow. The Fred Kummerow the infant son mentioned did not marry until his father died and he was by then middle aged. I have often wondered why he did not marry earlier. He had three sons and three daughters before his wife died. Then he married my great-grandmother and my grandfather and my wife's grandfather grew up in the same house. This then gets stranger because they seem to have parted as teenagers and never communicated again until close to their deaths. That Kummerow signed with an "X" interests me and maybe answers a few questions. I came upon the work agreement by accident. I have tried in vain to get the agreements for other ancestors without luck. Albert Grulke in hot Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Friday, 11 January 2008 1:32 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Work Agreements Hello Noel & Del, Have you read a "Colonial Father" The Story of a German-Born Queenslander J C Heussler as told by his great grandson Robert C Heussler published in 2001. I am pretty sure it is available in your state library. This book could prove very helpful as J C Heussler was the person responsible for the contingents of German emigrants (6653) under his auspices who settled to Queensland. Robert is still alive and visits Queensland from time to time. I know Robert and the Heussler family were delighted when the Heussler room was dedicated to his gt grandfather in their old family home "Fernberg" which is now Government house in Brisbane. Ships Cesar Godeffroy, La Rochelle, Alster, Beausite, San Francisco, Susanne Godeffroy, Johann Cesar, Wilhelmsburg, Helene, Peter Godeffroy, Sophie & the Wandrahm are documented in his book. As for the contracts that Lisa has referred to I have just sent you an e-mail with the complete National Library of Australia referrence details. I came across these papers of Joseph Docker back in 1997 but was unable to visit Canberra to view them, a friend copied them some years ago and I can send you details offline. You should also read *The *migrant* *shepherd* : Ober-Rosbach to Tenterfield / by E. Lloyd Sommerlad.* from memory I think there was a contract reproduced in that publication. Useful reading is the series of the articles published in the Journal of Burwood & District Family History Group about 15 ships have been expertly documented already. You will then get an idea of the government resources available in NSW which included Queensland prior to 1859 and then try to locate similar resources in Queensland located in State archives and libraries both state and national. Kindest regards, Elizabeth Noel & Del Bergman wrote: > Hi Group, > > We were going over some old postings and found this one which we > found particularly interesting. > > It was submitted by Jon Kehrer on 28 Jun 1999 and contained a > newspaper article published "Country Intelligence. Ipswich. (From our > own correspondent.) Saturday, February 22", Moreton Bay Courier, > 25th February 1862, page 3. > > It contained a copy of an agreement made in Hamburg between > JAMES B ATKINS of Koowona Qld, as represented by JOHANN > CHRISTIAN HEUSSLER, and FRIEDERICH KUMMEROW of > Tetzmick who signed his name with an X, and had emigrated with > his wife LOUISA and child FREDERICK on that ship, and was > witnessed by J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS and C. KUMMEROW. > > Basicly, it was a work agreement and criticism that followed. Has > anyone else happened upon information on these types of > agreements. > > Regards > > Noel & Del Bergman > > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Noel and Del If you go to the Archives for the AUS-GERMAN list, on 11 April 2002, I posted a transcript of a Memorandum of Agreement between Georg Wilhelm KOCH and H? E DECKER, on behalf of George LESLIE. The Memorandum (ie. Contract) between KOCH and LESLIE was located 'by accident', as it was included in papers relating to the 1858 Parliamentary Inquiry into German Immigration. A copy was kindly sent to me by a fellow researcher in Sydney who knew of my interests - a real 'fluke', for which I remain very grateful!I don't believe there is a collection of such Contracts in the respective Archives. It would appear that it's just a matter of luck if the odd one, here and there, has survived. Sometimes they turn up amongst personal papers held by a descendant. Or, as you've indicated, reprinted in a contemporary source; typically, in relation to dissatisfaction arising from perceived breaches to the Contract.RgsLisaGladstone, Q _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT

Hi Group, We were going over some old postings and found this one which we found particularly interesting. It was submitted by Jon Kehrer on 28 Jun 1999 and contained a newspaper article published "Country Intelligence. Ipswich. (From our own correspondent.) Saturday, February 22", Moreton Bay Courier, 25th February 1862, page 3. It contained a copy of an agreement made in Hamburg between JAMES B ATKINS of Koowona Qld, as represented by JOHANN CHRISTIAN HEUSSLER, and FRIEDERICH KUMMEROW of Tetzmick who signed his name with an X, and had emigrated with his wife LOUISA and child FREDERICK on that ship, and was witnessed by J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS and C. KUMMEROW. Basicly, it was a work agreement and criticism that followed. Has anyone else happened upon information on these types of agreements. Regards Noel & Del Bergman

The Gatton, Lockyer and Brisbane Valley STAR, Wednesday, January 9, 2008 – Page 14 Jan Althaus: 1945-2007 JAN Althaus (Stubbersfield) passed away on December 30 following a three year battle with cancer. Throughout this time, Jan never lost sight of her dreams or ambitions and continued to put her family first. She showed strength and courage that was admired by all those around her. JAN was born on March 17, 1945 in Gatton to Edgar and Beryl Stubbersfield. She was the oldest of 4 children, her siblings being Kay, Edgar (Ted) and James. She attended Gatton Primary School followed by Gatton High School. She excelled at sport and represented her school in sprints at state level. Jan also represented the local area in swimming. Jan’s early teens were spent being a “brownie” and Sunday mornings were at Sunday school at the Congregational Church (now Uniting Church). Two tone a piebald horse was her loyal companion and sometimes her perverse friend. They were an inseparable team enjoying pony club and spending many hours riding around the country side. Saturday nights were often spent at the local dances with the same group of friends. The friendships she made in her formative years have endured through her life. After grade 10 Jan commenced work at the family business - Gatton Sawmilling Company in Old College Road and stayed there until the business was re-organised in 1999. Jan’s husband, -Doug came on the scene on Jan’s 17th Birthday and they were together since then. The couple married on the 7th October 1967 and built their first home in Woodlands Road. They had four children: Lisa, Megan, Anthony and Andrea. After nearly 21 years of living in Gatton they had a three month stay at Helidon and then moved to a Ropeley property which was the original selected land of William & Sarah Lowe (Jan’s great great grandparents). One life time ambition of Jan’s was to own a dress shop or a shoe shop, the latter was achieved when she purchased Gatton Plaza Shoes in December 1994. The business was relocated in 1996 into Railway Street and its name became Gatton Shoes R Us. With the help of Lisa & Megan she continued to work until the business was sold in July 2007. Over the years Church played an important part in Jan’s life, she loved teaching Sunday School and ushering on allotted Sundays. Jan battled with cancer since August 2004 and upheld her grace and determination throughout. She was supported by family, friends and the medical profession and never lost her faith and trust in God. Her time on earth ended on Sunday 30th December 2007 and will be sadly missed by all those, whose lives have been touched by her generosity, kindness and love. A Thanksgiving Service for Jan’s life was held at the Gatton Church of Christ on January 3 with over 600 family and friends attending the service. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

Hi, Just before Christmas my Queensland ancestry on my father's Doran side was posted on Rootsweb.com WorldConnect. I discovered that I was the great-great grand daughter of John William Doran and Helena Augustine Judas. Helena's parents were Lugwig and Minnie Judas from Germany. John and Lena had a son John William Henry Doran who married an Elsie Margaret Thorpe. Their son Douglas Thorpe Doran is my father (still living) and I am interested contacting in any Judas, Doran and Thorpe descendannts who have researched these families. Regards Debby (in Hampton Victoria)

Depends on where you are but John lives in West Street and I presume the suburb is Drayton. The business is in Anzac Avenue Toowoomba. That is all I can tell you. Gladys Grulke would have been a member of the Marburg family. There were two families came on the same ship and apparently never communicated after their arrival. Albert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Yvonne Biddle Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 8:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Wagners Thankyou Albert. Do you know how I can contact the John Wagner you mentioned? Is he in Toowoomba? By the way, there was a Gladys Grulke ( aged 80 now ) who was in my class at Marburg Primary School. Yvonne A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my haste to thank everyone for help in finding our missing Justine MULLER, I forgot to acknowledge the fact that it was a interested lady (Marionne) from The Toowoomba & Darling Downs Family History Society who gave me information which led me to the death Registration in September 1915 for a Wilhelmine MULLER, and help from a lady in the Registry B.D.&M. who confirmed the fact that we, at last, had the correct information - husband and children verified. Thank you all. Jean. Bob & Jean Harm GYMPIE QLD [email protected]

Thank you everyone who replied to my search for the Death Registration and details of a headstone in the Minden Baptist Church Cemetery for Justine MULLER. I have found her death registered under the name of Wilhelmine Muller in 1915, and have sent for the certificate. Your help and support was greatly appreciated. Jean. Bob & Jean Harm GYMPIE QLD [email protected]

Yvonne I don't quite understand. Are you after the names they were known by or those they were baptised with? Have you found their baptismal records yet.? [eg In my Krimmer family ...all the boys had Johann as their first baptismal name :) ! ] The first family of Wagners in Toowoomba were members of Henry WAGNER's family. He emigrated to Australia in 1856. He was born c1829 in Oberzell Hessen. parents Martin & Elizabeth. Judy > Judy > I do have my Wagner's shipping list. I know the family came from > Niederasphe in Kurhessen but I am sure the names I have for the > children are their second names. Thankyou for the help you gave. > Yvonne