Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. The details on his death certificate are incorrect, listing his father as Thomas Dobbins (who was actually the father of the woman who lived on the next farm who was also recently deceased. Her husband was the informant of both deaths). I am wondering if there would be any church records which might list Carl's parents. According to the death certificate he died at Southbrook, Darling Downs and was buried in Toowoomba Cemetery on 2 December 1895 by Rev FF Langebecker (Lutheran). I am not sure how I go about finding out which parish Rev Langebecker officiated in and whether there are any records. Thanks for any help. Nell Schemioneck

The Genealogical Society of Qld (Southern Suburbs) monthly meeting on Monday 17th March 2008, 7.30pm, includes a talk on 'What to do if you can't find a immigration record'. The venue is Upper Mt.Gravatt Scout Den, 1873 Logan Road, Upper Mt.Gravatt (down Carson Lane between Upper Mt.Gravatt State School and the Progress Hall). Non-members are welcome.

Hi Just thought I mention re the discussion regarding the Cesar Godeffroy that the earliest of my ancestors to arrive in Australia, the KUMNICKS, arrived on this ship in 1849. On this journey, the ship travelled from Hamburg to Adelaide, unloading passengers- mostly from German areas but many of Wendish descent- and then continuing on to Melbourne. This is where it gets confusing. "Augie" or "Brandy" KUMNICK as he was known because he had a brandy distillery in the basement of his home in Lobethal, South Australia,travelled with his step motherRosine, half-brother Carl, half-sister Caroline, as well as his wife Johanne and two children. They are all on the passenger list leaving Hamburg. However, in a passenger list published in the Adelaide Advertiser on March Ist 1849, with a list of those disembarking, Carl is not mentioned. "Onkaparinga" by Carol Bischoff, which is a book about the Onkaparinga woollen mills in Lobethal with which the KUMNICKS were associated, states that the KUMNICK family disembarked in Melbourne and travelled overland to South Australia and Lobethal. The "Seidel Family History"- Carl married a Seidel- it is stated Carl disembarked in Melbourne with a group of twelve passengers and travelled overland. "Knowing the Noacks" a history of the NOACK family in Australia, states the KUMNICKS disembarked in Adelaide. I have found no "official" record of Carl's disembarkation in either Adelaide or Melbourne, just family lore in his descendants which agree with the overland story. Putting this story together it seems that perhaps combining these sources gives a true picture. "Augie" and the rest of the KUMNICK family disembarked in Melbourne, while for some reason Carl went on to Melbourne and travelled overland with a group. It is know they were both resident in Lobethal, South Australia later in 1849, where they had combined business interests. Not really relevant to South East Qld but it appears the Cesar Godeffroy made a few trips. Regards Chris Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

Alan, Jo, and Di, Thank you for your help on my question about the sea Route from German to the Eastern States... When I sit and think about it , rough weather must have made the journey so difficult... I just cannot imagine 40ft waves crashing down over the wooden ship...water seeping through to the deck below wetting all their bedding and clothing... Thank you Jo for your notes...and thank you Di, for your searches. Since my Friedrich Habermann doesn't appear on any Australian passenger lists, Eric Kopittike found him for me in his Database of German passengers, arriving on the Cesar Godeffroy.in 1856.. thanks everyone Gay --- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States > > Hi Gay > > The route for ships sailing to Australia from Europe was south to the 40s > latitudes to catch the "Roaring Forties" winds for a swift passage east to > Australia. My Wenck family sailed from Hamburg in 1878 on the Charles > Dickens via this route. Part of the reason I know is that one of the > children was born on the ship and the latitude and longitude were given, > indicating the place was off the east coast of Tasmania. > >

Hi Gay The route for ships sailing to Australia from Europe was south to the 40s latitudes to catch the "Roaring Forties" winds for a swift passage east to Australia. My Wenck family sailed from Hamburg in 1878 on the Charles Dickens via this route. Part of the reason I know is that one of the children was born on the ship and the latitude and longitude were given, indicating the place was off the east coast of Tasmania. With the opening of the Suez canal on 17 November 1869, steam ships in particular went that way, called in at ports including Colombo and sailed south down the east coast of Australia calling at ports along the way. My Behm family came that way in 1884 on the Goalpara.There is a diary written by a passenger which details the journey. Sadly, one the Behm children died on that voyage, and by comparing the date with the entry in the diary for that time, I can place the death at Colombo. Jennifer > Gay Fielding <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Alan, > That is great information about the route of the Cesar Godeffroy, I have > > been trying to trace the plot points since you sent the mail. > I'm amazed they sailed through those huge seas in the Southern Ocean. > Can you please give me the source of your information..it seems like a > ships > log.....or do you wish to be quoted as the source, when I record that > information in my Family History. > Thanks a lot > Gay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States > > > > Gay > > This may answer some of your questions. > > > > THE CESAR GODEFFROY > > This ship left Hamburg on October 15, and went direct to sea, but > meeting > > with severe weather in the German Ocean she put back to Cuxhaven after > > > being > > two days out. She lay in port for ten days when she again put to sea, > but > > was once more compelled to return to port. Her final departure was > made on > > the 5th November, and she went down the channel with a favouring > breeze, > > and > > cleared Landsend on the third day, November 8. Thence to the line she > had > > pleasant and fine weather, and she crossed the Equator on December 6, > in > > long. 29 deg.12 min. W. She at once fell in with the South East > Trades, > > and > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > to South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I've found him Gay. HANDMANN aged 28 and not HABERMAN. Go to State Record NSW Then go to Assisted Immigrants arriving Moreton Bay-Brisbane 1848-59 They spell the ship Caesar Godefroy....and there I think he is. Di ---------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay Fielding" < To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States > Hi Alan, > That is great information about the route of the Cesar Godeffroy, I have > been trying to trace the plot points since you sent the mail. > information in my Family History. > > > From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" < > > > This may answer some of your questions. > > > > THE CESAR GODEFFROY > > This ship left Hamburg on October 15, and went direct to sea, but meeting > > with severe weather in the German Ocean she put back to Cuxhaven after > > being > > two days out. She lay in port for ten days when she again put to sea, but > > was once more compelled to return to port. Her final departure was made on > > the 5th November, and she went down the channel with a favouring breeze, > > and > > cleared Landsend on the third day, November 8. Thence to the line she had > > pleasant and fine weather, and she crossed the Equator on December 6, in > > long. 29 deg.12 min. W. She at once fell in with the South East Trades,

Gay wrote: >>>I believe that the Cesar Godeffroy was the first of the Godeffroy > ships....and it left Hamburg in late 1855 and arrived in Australia in > February 1856.> It is odd, that it sailed around Tasmania and up the coast to Moreton Bay, > before going to Sydney...or have I got that wrong???> The only problem for me, is that there is no record of my Friedrich > Habermann disembarking, even though he was on the passenger list.> He did get off somewhere, but it wasn't in Brisbane and it wasn't in Sydney.> Gay I found the dates for voyage, 28 Aug 1853-1 Jan 1854) on the web. There is a partial passenger list...your HABERMANN is not on it. . From the notes (naturalisations, deaths, occupations, etc) of the partial passenger list, this earlier voyage would seem to have gone to Victoria. Google "Germany to Australia Cesar Godeffroy" Cesar Godeffroy 1854 CESAR GODEFFROY 28 August 1853 - 1 January 1854 *> Also, I seem to remember that ships arriving Queensland pre 1859 ...look at Archives Authority of NSW. Di

Hi Alan, That is great information about the route of the Cesar Godeffroy, I have been trying to trace the plot points since you sent the mail. I'm amazed they sailed through those huge seas in the Southern Ocean. Can you please give me the source of your information..it seems like a ships log.....or do you wish to be quoted as the source, when I record that information in my Family History. Thanks a lot Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States > Gay > This may answer some of your questions. > > THE CESAR GODEFFROY > This ship left Hamburg on October 15, and went direct to sea, but meeting > with severe weather in the German Ocean she put back to Cuxhaven after > being > two days out. She lay in port for ten days when she again put to sea, but > was once more compelled to return to port. Her final departure was made on > the 5th November, and she went down the channel with a favouring breeze, > and > cleared Landsend on the third day, November 8. Thence to the line she had > pleasant and fine weather, and she crossed the Equator on December 6, in > long. 29 deg.12 min. W. She at once fell in with the South East Trades, > and >

Hi Alan, That is great information about the route of the Cesar Godeffroy, I have been trying to trace the plot points since you sent the mail. I'm amazed they sailed through those huge seas in the Southern Ocean. Can you please give me the source of your information..it seems like a ships log.....or do you wish to be quoted as the source, when I record that information in my Family History. Thanks a lot Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States > Gay > This may answer some of your questions. > > THE CESAR GODEFFROY > This ship left Hamburg on October 15, and went direct to sea, but meeting > with severe weather in the German Ocean she put back to Cuxhaven after > being > two days out. She lay in port for ten days when she again put to sea, but > was once more compelled to return to port. Her final departure was made on > the 5th November, and she went down the channel with a favouring breeze, > and > cleared Landsend on the third day, November 8. Thence to the line she had > pleasant and fine weather, and she crossed the Equator on December 6, in > long. 29 deg.12 min. W. She at once fell in with the South East Trades, > and >

Hi Di, Thanks heaps for your information....I'm a bit unclear about your dates of 1853 to 1854. .I believe that the Cesar Godeffroy was the first of the Godeffroy ships....and it left Hamburg in late 1855 and arrived in Australia in February 1856. It is odd, that it sailed around Tasmania and up the coast to Moreton Bay, before going to Sydney...or have I got that wrong??? The only problem for me, is that there is no record of my Friedrich Habermann disembarking, even though he was on the passenger list. He did get off somewhere, but it wasn't in Brisbane and it wasn't in Sydney. Still any help and advice always appreciated. Thanks Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Gay Fielding" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans]Cesar Godeffroy 28 Aug 1853 to 1 Jan 1954 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" . > > THE CESAR GODEFFROY> This ship left Hamburg on October 15,. the > > southward of Tasmania on> January 3 > Hamburg in 1855 arrived in > > Aust 1856, ----------------- Hello Alan & Gay I think dates for one Cesar Godeffroy voyage: 28 August 1853 to 1 January 1854. Di -- ;

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" . > > THE CESAR GODEFFROY> This ship left Hamburg on October 15,. the southward of Tasmania on> January 3 > Hamburg in 1855 arrived in Aust 1856, ----------------- Hello Alan & Gay I think dates for one Cesar Godeffroy voyage: 28 August 1853 to 1 January 1854. Di

Hello Gay re query about the "Caesar Goddefroy" 1855-1856 to east coast: note the different captains in the two versions. Captain DECKER and Captain STARTENBECKER. Captain DECKER of Alan Nitz's email "The Cesar Godeffroy passed to the southward of Tasmania on January 3 and then for seven days she had strong southerly breezes, and on the 7th February she sighted Cape Byron. The two following days she had strong northerly winds, which caused Captain Decker to stand off shore" ... and then, this I found on the Web mentions Captain N. STARTENBECKER: Cesar Godeffroy George Wieneke emigrated From Hanover, Germany on 27th October, 1855 aboard this vessel to Moreton Bay. From "Early Shipping In Moreton Bay Jun 1846 - Dec 1859 Vol 1" compiled By Winifred Davenport & Betty Mottram: "Caesar Goddefroy Ship 614 Tons Capt N Startenbecker arrived 19 Feb 1856 from Hamburg 2 Nov 1855 - made a good run. 235 German Immigrants. 4 Cabin Passengers. Little or no sickness and not a single death. She has on board 3 German bulls and one entire horse, which we believe will go to Sydney, for which port she will sail immediately. A number of immigrants will also go on". Ronald Parsons' Book Migrant Sailing Ships From Hamburg describes the Cesar Godeffroy as a wooden, three mast barque (originally ship rigged) of 428t (later 621t) built in 1855, with dimensions of 43.7 X 8.6 X 5.85 metres. The Ship-Builder's name was J.C. Godeffroy. Interestingly, there were three vessels of the same name, the latest of which was built in 1873 By John Marbs. Parsons writes: "For J.C. Godeffroy, VI, ships were an important part of the overall business activities of the firm and the treatment aboard their ships was considered to be excellent and a handbook prepared for potential migrants in the 1850s pointed out that the ships of Godeffroy & Son were considered to be above average in the manner in which they cared for their passengers. Despite this by 1865 the Queensland press was beginning to carry stories about the alleged shortages of provisions in the Godeffroy ships conveying migrants to Queensland. One or two vessels certainly experienced a high mortality rate but this, it was generally agreed, probably stemmed from the lack of medical checks before the migrants were allowed to board the vessel rather than the lack of care or food during the voyage. Just the same there were a spate of inquiries which revealed that the shipowner was probably not at fault and the blame, if any could be laid at the door of the port authorities or the agents who gathered the migrants and placed them in the ships".

Gay This may answer some of your questions. THE CESAR GODEFFROY This ship left Hamburg on October 15, and went direct to sea, but meeting with severe weather in the German Ocean she put back to Cuxhaven after being two days out. She lay in port for ten days when she again put to sea, but was once more compelled to return to port. Her final departure was made on the 5th November, and she went down the channel with a favouring breeze, and cleared Landsend on the third day, November 8. Thence to the line she had pleasant and fine weather, and she crossed the Equator on December 6, in long. 29 deg.12 min. W. She at once fell in with the South East Trades, and had a good run to the Cape of Good Hope. The latitude at that point was made on December 22, and she crossed the meridian on the 31st of the same month. About five days before passing the Cape she experienced a very high sea, and on January 2, in lat. 40 deg. 9 min. S., and long. 27 deg. 50 min. E. she met with a very heavy gale from the W.N.W., accompanied by a high sea, during which the glass fell from 29.80 to 29.22. Again, on the 18th, she had another violent gale from the N.N.E. by N., which blew with terrific violence for about five hours, and during this time the barometer read as low as 28. 40. The highest southing made in running the easting was the 46th parallel. The Cesar Godeffroy passed to the southward of Tasmania on January 3 and then for seven days she had strong southerly breezes, and on the 7th February she sighted Cape Byron. The two following days she had strong northerly winds, which caused Captain Decker to stand off shore. These gales seemed to have a circular course, commencing at north and travelling around eastwardly to north-west. To these succeeded calms and baffling winds, which, together with the coast current, prevented the ship reaching Cape Moreton until Tuesday February 13. Captain Decker estimates that by the causes above-mentioned he lost upwards of 150 miles after sighting Cape Byron. On the day she first made the Cape she was unable to enter Moreton Bay, as there was no wind, and she was drifted to the southward about 42 miles, and it was not until 9 am on the 14th that the pilot from Moreton Island took charge of the ship. The same evening she came to an anchor in Brisbane Roads. On the passage there had been very little sickness among the passengers, notwithstanding that there was a very large proportion of children. When the vessel sailed there were 316 passengers; but on the passage there were five births and two deaths, thus bringing the number landed up to 318 [sic]. One of the deaths was a woman who died in childbirth, and the other was an infant under two years of age. The passengers were passed by the Health Officer on Thursday, February 15, and were brought up from the ship on Saturday by the Kate, s., which conveyed them direct to the depot at Ipswich. At the time of embarkation the numbers might be classified thus: Males,123; females, 109; children, males, 41; females, 34; infants under one year, males 2; females 7; total, males 166; ditto females, 150; grand total 316. Alan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gay Fielding Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States Can anyone please tell me which Sea Route was travelled from Germany to Australia in the mid 1800s. I am particularly interested in the Route of the Cesar Godeffroy departed Hamburg in 1855 arrived in Aust 1856, on which m. I think ??? it disembarked passengers at Moreton Bay/Brisbane before sailing on to Sydney..Is this right, and if so where else did the ship also disembark passengers..Perhaps Mackay, or other ports.. I have not seen the passenger list, so I cannot judge for myself. Thanks if anyone can help Cheers Gay A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone please tell me which Sea Route was travelled from Germany to Australia in the mid 1800s. I am particularly interested in the Route of the Cesar Godeffroy departed Hamburg in 1855 arrived in Aust 1856, on which m. I think ??? it disembarked passengers at Moreton Bay/Brisbane before sailing on to Sydney..Is this right, and if so where else did the ship also disembark passengers..Perhaps Mackay, or other ports.. I have not seen the passenger list, so I cannot judge for myself. Thanks if anyone can help Cheers Gay

From: "Noel & Del Bergman" . > > Their names were: Hans Delfs born circa 1838 both were listed as > labourers. > We have looked at Qld BD&M Index, State Archives, National > Archives, interstate BD&M Index, Electoral rolls etc. Hello Noel & Del Give DELVES a try for DELFS. Di Randell

Hi Group, Can anyone help. We are trying to trace two men who emigrated from the town of Husbergerfelde or Husberg in Holstein. They emigrated on the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" in 1865 from Hamburg to Moreton Bay in Queensland Australia. Their names were: Hans Roschmann/Roeschmann/Röschmann born circa 1833 and Hans Delfs born circa 1838 both were listed as labourers. They boarded the ship together. We have looked at Qld BD&M Index, State Archives, National Archives, interstate BD&M Index, Electoral rolls etc. Thanks Noel & Del Bergman

Hi Noel, Hi Del, Husberg, a village in Holstein, belongs to the parish Neumünster. If you need help with researching in Schleswig-Holstein, please let me know. Greetings from Kiel / Schleswig-Holstein Uwe www.ancestor-research.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel & Del Bergman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:59 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Delfs & Roeschmann Hi Group, Can anyone help. We are trying to trace two men who emigrated from the town of Husbergerfelde or Husberg in Holstein. They emigrated on the ship "Susanne Godeffroy" in 1865 from Hamburg to Moreton Bay in Queensland Australia. Their names were: Hans Roschmann/Roeschmann/Röschmann born circa 1833 and Hans Delfs born circa 1838 both were listed as labourers. They boarded the ship together. We have looked at Qld BD&M Index, State Archives, National Archives, interstate BD&M Index, Electoral rolls etc. Thanks Noel & Del Bergman A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Di, Would there be any refernece to the SWAIN family around the area of Crows Nest in your book? Many thanks Jenny

----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]> > > Would there be any refernece to the SWAIN family around the area of Crows > Nest in your book?> > Jenny No Jenny, sorry "Family History comes to Life" by Peter Cuffley is not about Crows Nest or any place, as such...that article about JUST family was just random. It's a book more to do with how to "do" family history. Di

Theodore Christian JUST. Maxmillian Edward William JUST. Freda GARRETT. I have a book out from the library called "Family History comes to Life" by Peter Cuffley published 1999. The caption on page 37 for the photo on page 36 says: A hardworking Stewart truck and three generations of The JUST family of Harden near Crows Nest in south-east Queensland photographed about 1934. Grandfather Theodore Christian JUST, here seen leaning on the front mudguard, emigrated to Australia from Germany in 1884. A civil engineer, he worked as a gold-miner, drover and carpenter and in 1887 was granted a 160 acre selection at Gombungee.. His son, Maxmillian Edward William JUST, better known as "Bill" used the truck for his carrying business. He married English-born Freda GARRETT in 1917 and they had fifteen children. Source: Courtesy Doris Walker. It's not very clear, but if anyone is interested I will scan the photo and send off list. Di