Hi Michelle Its Chris Schmidt, here. We have emailed about KAPERNICK and SURAWSKI and BREITKREUZ connections. I am sorry to hear about the death of your grandmother. I may have even seen her at Salem- my grandmother Agnes Margaret KAPERNICK nee KOCH died there last November. Bye the way, my mum was speaking to Mavis SURAWSKI nee SCANLAN on the phone a few weeks before my grandmother died. We haven't had any contact since Jo died- my grandmother and I were at his funeral- but she didn't really appear to be interested in having contact or hearing how anyone was doing. My grandmother cared for her eldest son Edward SURAWSKI when he was young,until about 18 months I believe. Jo SURAWSKI was not his natural father but adopted him. My grandparents were formally going to adopt him but then Jo came on the scene and was wiilling to take care of him and marry Mavis, so my grandparents adoption didn't go ahead. Anyway, my thoughts are with you at this difficult time. Regards Chris --- Michelle Kranz <[email protected]> wrote: > To All, > > I sadly would like to inform you all of the death of > my grandmother Edith > Millicent Kranz nee Strack, late of Toowoomba, widow > of Reginald Arthur > Kranz (1919-1990) . Edith passed away on the 12th of > March at 8.30pm at > Salem Nursing Home in Toowoomba. Edith was 87 years > old. She suffered a > stroke 2 days previous to her death. Her funeral > will be held at TS Burstow > Funeral Home in Ruthven Street, Toowoomba at 12.30 > pm on Tuesday the 18th of > March 2008. She will later be cremated at the > Toowoomba/Drayton Lawn > Cemetery in Toowoomba. Details will be published in > the Toowoomba Cronicle > later this week or on Monday. > > Edith was born on the 27th of July 1920 in Geham, > Queensland Australia,to > Auguste Joannie Strack (1901-1982). She later moved > to Edward Street, > Toowoomba with her mother and step father John > Joseph (Jack) Fallon > (1894-1969) until > her marriage to Reginald Arthur Kranz in 1941. Edith > and Reg had 5 children > (1 deceased), 8 grandchildren, and at present 10 > great grandchildren. Edith > trained as an Assistant Nurse in Toowoomba from 1936 > to 1939(as was her > mother Gustie Fallon nee Strack) but devoted most of > her life to her husband > and family. In later years Reg and Edith lived at > Gleeson Crest, > Harlaxton,Toowoomba where they were active members > of the community and for > many years and were the returning officers for the > electoral commission in > Harlaxton. Edith was a devoted homemaker for her > family and grandchildren, > she spent a lot of time organizing the girls > marching band her daughters > were members of and she had a green thumb, attending > to her greenhouse where > she kept Ferns, Staghoorns, and various other > tropical plants. Apart from > being a very good cook she was an avid card player > and enjoyed playing > Canaster and Cribbage as well as Indoor Bowles. > Edith also enjoyed doing > Bark Art which she was very good at. After the > sudden death of her husband > Reg in 1990, Edith moved from Harlaxton to a > retirement village until she > suffered a stroke in 1995 which left her unable to > care for herself and she > moved into Salem Lutheran Nursing Home in Toowoomba. > In 2005 Edith had a > fall and broke her hip which left her almost > bedridden for the remainder of > her life, she also suffered from Dementure in the > last few years of her > life. > > Edith lived a full and long life and she will be > lovingly remembered by her > children grandchildren and great grandchildren. She > also leaves behind her 2 > sisters Pauline Handley nee Fallon (T'mba), Marion > Dixon nee Fallon > (Brisbane) and 2 brothers Neville Fallon and Brian > Fallon. Also Collin > Fallon (deceased). > > kind regards > Michelle Kranz > > > > 1. Edith Millicent Fallon-Strack, daughter of > Unknown (possibly Strack) and > Augusta Johannie Strack, was born on 27 Jul > 1920 in Geham, > Queensland, > Australia, was christened on 29 May 1931 in > St Georges Church, Crows > Nest, Queensland, Australia, died on 12 Mar > 2008 in Salem Nursing > Home, > Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia at age 87, > and was cremated on 18 > Mar > 2008 in Toowoomba Crematorium, Queensland, > Australia. > > Edith married Reginald Arthur Kranz, son of James > Kranz-Crans ( Standing) > and > Maria Louisa Augusta Karger, on 12 Feb 1941 in > The Church of St James > , > Toowoomba , Queensland, Australia. Reginald > was born on 15 Jun 1919 in > Glesona Bungel St Roma Qld Australia, died in > Feb 1990 in Toowoomba , > Queensland. Australia at age 70, and was > cremated in Toowoomba Lawn > Cemetery, Queensland, Australia. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

Hi Folks Was someone looking for this family? Perhaps Jenny can help more, but I do not have this family in my database. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich ________________________________ From: jenny aviet [mailto:] Sent: Monday, 17 March 2008 7:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: information about august wilhelm louey beitzel To whom it may concern.... my grandfather's name was august wilhelm louey BEITZEL and he married anne butchart CAMPBELL....she was scottish...and they lived in ipswich... my name is jennifer margaret COLLINS....my mother beryl COLLINS was theiedaughter...and they had Bill...Tom .... John .... Daphney who died at the age of 11 of a hole in the heart... is this the same anne butchart BEITZEL you needed the surname for.... it was CAMPBELL and she was born in glasgow scotland.... feel free to get more info if you like... tys jenny aviet...Nee Collins Jenny

Hi Group, Thank you very much to those who replied to our query about Carl Luneburg. It has given us somethings to work on. Thanks again Noel & Del 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project

> Noel & Del Bergman> 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project<[email protected]> > http://members.optusnet.com.au/nanddbergman/ >trying to find out what happened to Carl Luneburg after he > arrived in Moreton Bay in 1865 on board the "Susanne Godeffroy". Also > same town > Jacob Luneburg aged 22, Anna his wife > aged 23, and their young son Johann aged 2> We have been able to track Jacob Luneburg and his family up to 1913 > here in Brisbane, but then the remainder of the family simply > disappears.> Our big problem > Carl Luneburg > unable to locate > information on Carl Luneburg. ---------------------------------------- Hello Dell Some things to ponder - might help: You'd have the birth of Carl LUNEBURG in Brisbane 1867 to Annie SCHRAMM and Jacob LUNEBURG. So that makes two Carl LUNEBURGs to keep an eye out for - about 22 year age gap. Burial for Annie Helena LUNEBERG 1876 Sth Brisbane Cem. 9A. Grave 215. Age not listed. Two other burial in this plot. On Qld.Pioneers Index her death: died 12/4/1876. Father: John SCHRAMM. Mother not listed. I would presume that this "Annie" is the "Anna" LUNEBURG with Jacob, husband and son, Johann on the S/G (and the mother of Carl born 1867). She would have been young, then, dying in 1876 - born about 1842 - so probably Jacob remarried? Working on possibility that Jacob remarried....the Margaret in the same grave as (Anna - Jacob's wife) her death on Qld. Pionners 28/10/1881 1881/B014350 ..father: Jacob LUNEBURG and mother: Margaret DIEHM. Jacob LUNEBERG (sic) married Maria Margaretha DIEHM 10 Jul 1877 Brisbane. They have children born and died (in childhood), with Annie only child still alive up to 1889. I see the other burial, in same plot, at Sth Brisbane - Helena - in 1876 is daughter of Jacob and Annie. 1913 Electoral Roll. Carl LINDBORG (sic). Place of Living Koorboora. Occupation: Miner. Subdivison: Chillagoe, Kennedy Division. with Matilda. Home Duties. Same Address. Del, it's very likely that this is the same Carl who was enrolled Kennedy Division 1880-1884. Also at Chillagoe Subdivision in 1913 was Jessie Grant LINDBURG (sic) Home Duties. Place of Living: Chillagoe. There's a marriage for Jessie CRAIG and John Philip LINDBURG 1st March 1911. There's a death of Jessie LINDBURG 20 Oct 1914. Father: James WEBSTER. Mother: Mary GRANT. I found Charles LINDBORG. Occupation: Ploughman living at Aloomba. Subdivison of Cairns. Division of Herbert with Mathilda, Home Duties...1922 Electoral Roll I think. Charles = anglisied version of Carl . You'd have John LUNDBERG married to Sarah James SIMS in Brisbane 31 Oct 1894? Di

From: "Noel & Del Bergman" Our big problem though is Carl Luneburg.>>>> we have been unable to locate a single > piece of information on Carl Luneburg. it is quite a mystery ---------------------------- One sighting of Carl, Del. Elect. Roll. Qld. 1880-1884 Carl LUNEBERG Old Warrior Reef, Charters Towers. Kennedy. This was his residence. Trying his luck on the goldfields perhaps? Jacob - spelling his name the same way, "e" and not "b" on that same Roll had Freehold land off Ipswich Road, South. Brisbane. I found these surnames in various Queensland searches: Langberg Leneburg Lindberg Lindburg Lundberg Lindborg Linneberg Linderberg Lindenberg Di

Hello Noel & Del, I would be suggesting that the family Luneburg may have done what many did at that time, being the start of WW1, they simply changed their name to avoid anti-German sentiment. Chris Sichter, Brisbane Qld. researching, Sichter, Bobbermein, Willmann. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: 16 March 2008 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Carl Luneburg Hallo List, We are trying to find out what happened to Carl Luneburg after he arrived in Moreton Bay in 1865 on board the "Susanne Godeffroy". He had given his age as 20 years in Hamburg on departure and was passenger number 501when he boarded. His last place of residence was given as Elmshorn Holstein. He was a Müller (miller). Also from the same town were Jacob Luneburg aged 22, Anna his wife aged 23, and their young son Johann aged 2 . They were passengers 518-520. We have been able to track Jacob Luneburg and his family up to 1913 here in Brisbane, but then the remainder of the family simply disappears. Our big problem though is Carl Luneburg. Despite doing numerous and very detailed searches of available records here, as well as in all the other Australian states, we have been unable to locate a single piece of information on Carl Luneburg. it is quite a mystery. Perhaps someone out there has some info on his whereabouts here in Queensland. We would appreciate hearing from the list on this question. Thanks in advance Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/nanddbergman/ A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1330 - Release Date: 15/03/2008 2:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1330 - Release Date: 15/03/2008 2:36 PM

Hallo List, We are trying to find out what happened to Carl Luneburg after he arrived in Moreton Bay in 1865 on board the "Susanne Godeffroy". He had given his age as 20 years in Hamburg on departure and was passenger number 501when he boarded. His last place of residence was given as Elmshorn Holstein. He was a Müller (miller). Also from the same town were Jacob Luneburg aged 22, Anna his wife aged 23, and their young son Johann aged 2 . They were passengers 518-520. We have been able to track Jacob Luneburg and his family up to 1913 here in Brisbane, but then the remainder of the family simply disappears. Our big problem though is Carl Luneburg. Despite doing numerous and very detailed searches of available records here, as well as in all the other Australian states, we have been unable to locate a single piece of information on Carl Luneburg. it is quite a mystery. Perhaps someone out there has some info on his whereabouts here in Queensland. We would appreciate hearing from the list on this question. Thanks in advance Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/nanddbergman/

I feel I, too, would question the statement that "many of the ships bringing German migrants toAustralia left Hamburg or Bremen and sailed to English ports." This may, in deed, have been the situation in some instances and may be more relevant to 'German' immigration in the latter part of the 19th century; a period, I admit, I don't know a lot about. However, I don't believe it was prevalent practice in the mid 1800s. As Alan has stated, a great majority of the German immigrants to Australia were bought out under various Government-instigated schemes. A great deal of time, organization and money was involved in such ventures and the major parties involved certainly didn't make it a practice to change their minds 'willy-nilly' re. ports, destinations, etc. In fact, in the isolated cases where an immigration agent, or similar, breached their obligations, a great fuss resulted; measures taken to recoup monies expended, reputations besmirched in the contemporary newspapers, Contracts terminated, etc. In addition, as these arrangements were made between sovereign 'German' states and the Colonies of New South Wales and/or Queensland, for example, a ship engaged by one of the immigration agents departing from Hamburg or Bremen surely wouldn't have required 'clearance' from an English port to sail to, say, Sydney or Moreton Bay, would it? I know that, in the case of the "Solon" - my pet obsession! - which departed Bremen for Moreton Bay in December 1858, she definitely did not call at an English port; although Lloyd's List does record that she was sighted off Ramsgate, England, on 30th December. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:28:32 +1000> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea route from Scandinavia/Germany> > My reading of various books and documents indicates that in 1879 the> Queensland Government directed its Agent-General in London to terminate all> assisted immigration from Germany and the Scandanavian countries and also to> reduce the intake from the British Isles. In 1880 limited immigration was> re-introduced but the only Germans brought out on a free passage were those> nominated by relatives or friends in the Colony of Queensland. They were> expected to pay their own way to Plymouth for embarkation on British ships> and sail with British and other migrants. In 1884 London replaced Plymouth> as the main port of embarkation. It was seen as an advantage to sail on a> British ship as that enabled the German passengers to learn some English and> to gain some understanding of the Anglo-Saxon way of life.> I have not found anything to suggest that German migrants changed their> minds about their destination along the way - although this could have been> the case with some - or that ships destinations were changed along the way.> It appears that most German migration was arranged by Agents who were paid> fees by the Country of destination e.g. Queensland and any change of> destination would have been resisted strongly or perhaps made impossible by> the Agents who, I believe, issued some at least of the documentation for> travel.> > Alan NITZ.> _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

My reading of various books and documents indicates that in 1879 the Queensland Government directed its Agent-General in London to terminate all assisted immigration from Germany and the Scandanavian countries and also to reduce the intake from the British Isles. In 1880 limited immigration was re-introduced but the only Germans brought out on a free passage were those nominated by relatives or friends in the Colony of Queensland. They were expected to pay their own way to Plymouth for embarkation on British ships and sail with British and other migrants. In 1884 London replaced Plymouth as the main port of embarkation. It was seen as an advantage to sail on a British ship as that enabled the German passengers to learn some English and to gain some understanding of the Anglo-Saxon way of life. I have not found anything to suggest that German migrants changed their minds about their destination along the way - although this could have been the case with some - or that ships destinations were changed along the way. It appears that most German migration was arranged by Agents who were paid fees by the Country of destination e.g. Queensland and any change of destination would have been resisted strongly or perhaps made impossible by the Agents who, I believe, issued some at least of the documentation for travel. Alan NITZ. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 8:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea route from Scandinavia/Germany I am more than a little unclear on this but: As I have learned, I think, many of the ships bringing German migrants to Australia left Hamburg or Bremen and sailed to English ports. They actually got their clearance to sail for the colonies at that port and hence they are recorded as leaving an English port. Another factor I found is that some Germans left their homeland bound for the USA. They arrived at the English port and because of whatever was happening in the USA, and that seems to be more varied than just a civil war. The ship and its cargo were then re-directed to the Australian colonies. So they may well have left Denmark, Sweden or Germany and the ship docked in Plymouth before embarking for Australia. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of McLaren Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Sea route from Scandinavia/Germany My Carlson ancestors came to Queensland on the Goalpara in 1884 - passenger list has ship leaving from Plymouth, England. How would they have gotten from Denmark/Sweden/Germany to Plymouth? Faye McLaren A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Albert. Faye ----- Original Message ----- From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Sea route from Scandinavia/Germany >I am more than a little unclear on this but: > As I have learned, I think, many of the ships bringing German migrants to > Australia left Hamburg or Bremen and sailed to English ports. They > actually > got their clearance to sail for the colonies at that port and hence they > are > recorded as leaving an English port. > Another factor I found is that some Germans left their homeland bound for > the USA. They arrived at the English port and because of whatever was > happening in the USA, and that seems to be more varied than just a civil > war. The ship and its cargo were then re-directed to the Australian > colonies. > So they may well have left Denmark, Sweden or Germany and the ship docked > in > Plymouth before embarking for Australia. > Albert Grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of McLaren > Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 9:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Sea route from Scandinavia/Germany > > My Carlson ancestors came to Queensland on the Goalpara in 1884 - > passenger > list has ship leaving from Plymouth, England. How would they have gotten > from Denmark/Sweden/Germany to Plymouth? > > Faye McLaren > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi! I am new to listing and would like to know if there anyone familiar the following names or their families? Known location of residence & relatives Southport; the Gold Coast region; Lockyer Valley; Esk; Ravensbourne; Toowoomba; Wynnum in Queensland and Northern NSW region including Murwillumbah. Phil Toowoomba Qld 4350 NB: Names and spelling are those on official documents. E.g. Zropf is also known as Zorpf in family circles. Qld BDM has Reinhold spelt 3 or 4 different ways. Including Reinholdt; Rienhold) (Agusta is known as Auguste or Augusta) therefore I am not 100% sure of the actual spelling of any name. ******************** Mary Agusta KRAMM born: 6 Dec 1891 father: Reinhold KRAMM mother: Mary Agusta ZROPF, Ref: Qld BDM 1891/007587 ******************** Mary Agusta KRAMM died: 11 Mar 1922 father: Christian ZROPF mother: Wilhelmina HANDROECK, Ref: Qld BDM 1922/B036759 (B is for Brisbane) ******************** Frederick Wilhelm Reinhold KRAMM died: 2 Mar 1936 father: Carl KRAMM mother: Wilhelmine SCHULZ, Ref: Qld BDM 1936/B030795 ******************** Frederick Wilhelm Reinhold KRAMM lived at Suter St Southport. His father was Carl KRAMM, Mother was Wilhelmine SCHULZ Birthplace : Konigswalde, Sterberg Germany He was in Australia 56 years most likely arrived in Brisbane about 16 Oct 1878 on the Friedberg Ref: Log 415 Frederick Wilhelm Reinhold KRAMM was married in Germany, 1st marriage to Aguster (Auguste) Wilhelmine Maria ZROPF 2nd marriage to Rahner formerly ISENCKER Known children: 1.. Mary Anna 55 Probably born 1881 (Known as Annie) 2.. Frank Alfred 53 of Tring Terrace Toombul Brisbane a Carpenter Probably born 1883 3.. Frederick Otto 51 of Ashgrove Road Brisbane Probably born 1885 (Known as Otto) 4.. Aguster (Auguste) Bertha 48 Probably born 1888 5.. Mary Aguster (Auguste) 44 Probably born 1892 6.. Clara Minnie Helena 41 Probably born 1895 (Known as Minnie) Married Walter (Wattie) McLaren and lived in Murwillumbah. _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com

To All, I sadly would like to inform you all of the death of my grandmother Edith Millicent Kranz nee Strack, late of Toowoomba, widow of Reginald Arthur Kranz (1919-1990) . Edith passed away on the 12th of March at 8.30pm at Salem Nursing Home in Toowoomba. Edith was 87 years old. She suffered a stroke 2 days previous to her death. Her funeral will be held at TS Burstow Funeral Home in Ruthven Street, Toowoomba at 12.30 pm on Tuesday the 18th of March 2008. She will later be cremated at the Toowoomba/Drayton Lawn Cemetery in Toowoomba. Details will be published in the Toowoomba Cronicle later this week or on Monday. Edith was born on the 27th of July 1920 in Geham, Queensland Australia,to Auguste Joannie Strack (1901-1982). She later moved to Edward Street, Toowoomba with her mother and step father John Joseph (Jack) Fallon (1894-1969) until her marriage to Reginald Arthur Kranz in 1941. Edith and Reg had 5 children (1 deceased), 8 grandchildren, and at present 10 great grandchildren. Edith trained as an Assistant Nurse in Toowoomba from 1936 to 1939(as was her mother Gustie Fallon nee Strack) but devoted most of her life to her husband and family. In later years Reg and Edith lived at Gleeson Crest, Harlaxton,Toowoomba where they were active members of the community and for many years and were the returning officers for the electoral commission in Harlaxton. Edith was a devoted homemaker for her family and grandchildren, she spent a lot of time organizing the girls marching band her daughters were members of and she had a green thumb, attending to her greenhouse where she kept Ferns, Staghoorns, and various other tropical plants. Apart from being a very good cook she was an avid card player and enjoyed playing Canaster and Cribbage as well as Indoor Bowles. Edith also enjoyed doing Bark Art which she was very good at. After the sudden death of her husband Reg in 1990, Edith moved from Harlaxton to a retirement village until she suffered a stroke in 1995 which left her unable to care for herself and she moved into Salem Lutheran Nursing Home in Toowoomba. In 2005 Edith had a fall and broke her hip which left her almost bedridden for the remainder of her life, she also suffered from Dementure in the last few years of her life. Edith lived a full and long life and she will be lovingly remembered by her children grandchildren and great grandchildren. She also leaves behind her 2 sisters Pauline Handley nee Fallon (T'mba), Marion Dixon nee Fallon (Brisbane) and 2 brothers Neville Fallon and Brian Fallon. Also Collin Fallon (deceased). kind regards Michelle Kranz 1. Edith Millicent Fallon-Strack, daughter of Unknown (possibly Strack) and Augusta Johannie Strack, was born on 27 Jul 1920 in Geham, Queensland, Australia, was christened on 29 May 1931 in St Georges Church, Crows Nest, Queensland, Australia, died on 12 Mar 2008 in Salem Nursing Home, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia at age 87, and was cremated on 18 Mar 2008 in Toowoomba Crematorium, Queensland, Australia. Edith married Reginald Arthur Kranz, son of James Kranz-Crans ( Standing) and Maria Louisa Augusta Karger, on 12 Feb 1941 in The Church of St James , Toowoomba , Queensland, Australia. Reginald was born on 15 Jun 1919 in Glesona Bungel St Roma Qld Australia, died in Feb 1990 in Toowoomba , Queensland. Australia at age 70, and was cremated in Toowoomba Lawn Cemetery, Queensland, Australia.

<[email protected]> wrote: >Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. The details on his death >certificate are incorrect... records which might list Carl's parents A few thoughts: * Did he have any siblings who married or died in Australia? If so, their marriage certificate and/or death certificate may give parents' names. * Hospital admission registers - see www.judywebster.gil.com.au/hospital.html. * Newspaper obituaries, marriage notices etc. for the subject's spouse, children, grandchildren, cousins etc. * Land records. This is a long shot, but I have heard of several case where parents' names are in Titles Office files. There is also a Lands Department selection file for Carl at Qld State Archives. * Probate files. Again, this is a long shot, but here is an actual example from my research: Margaret STAPLETON's death certificate says 'born Ireland, parents names unknown'. In her will Margaret left something to her sister Johanna in Ireland. Johanna's surname was spelt incorrectly in the will, so she had to prove that she was the person named as beneficiary. She was asked to supply her birth certificate, but couldn't because her birth had not been registered. Instead she sent a copy of her baptism record giving her father's name and mother's maiden name... and so Margaret's parents' names are revealed although they aren't on the death certificate. Answers to many questions about Qld research are on my Web site, www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html. It has about 100 pages of free information/advice; over 40,000 names from Archives sources, cemeteries etc.; and customised Google boxes to search my entire site. If you need to contact me personally, use whatever address is on my Web site at that time (NOT the one from which I sent this message). To reduce spam, please do not mention that other address in mailing list or newsgroup messages. Judy -------------------------------------------------------- Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources) Indexes & advice: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html My family tree: www.judywebster.gil.com.au/surnames.html

Pastor Langebecker was pastor of St Paul's Lutheran Church in Philip Street Toowoomba. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 8:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Church records Have you looked for a death/funeral notice and/or obituary? While these probably won't name the parents, they do sometimes mention siblings and you may be able to obtain their parent's details (which should also be Carl's). Also, did he naturalise? That may give you clues as to his origins in Germany and may help locate some parents. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schemioneck, Nell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Church records > Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. The details on his death > certificate are incorrect, listing his father as Thomas Dobbins (who was > actually the father of the woman who lived on the next farm who was also > recently deceased. Her husband was the informant of both deaths). I am > wondering if there would be any church records which might list Carl's > parents. According to the death certificate he died at Southbrook, > Darling Downs and was buried in Toowoomba Cemetery on 2 December 1895 by > Rev FF Langebecker (Lutheran). I am not sure how I go about finding out > which parish Rev Langebecker officiated in and whether there are any > records. Thanks for any help. > > Nell Schemioneck > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am more than a little unclear on this but: As I have learned, I think, many of the ships bringing German migrants to Australia left Hamburg or Bremen and sailed to English ports. They actually got their clearance to sail for the colonies at that port and hence they are recorded as leaving an English port. Another factor I found is that some Germans left their homeland bound for the USA. They arrived at the English port and because of whatever was happening in the USA, and that seems to be more varied than just a civil war. The ship and its cargo were then re-directed to the Australian colonies. So they may well have left Denmark, Sweden or Germany and the ship docked in Plymouth before embarking for Australia. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of McLaren Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Sea route from Scandinavia/Germany My Carlson ancestors came to Queensland on the Goalpara in 1884 - passenger list has ship leaving from Plymouth, England. How would they have gotten from Denmark/Sweden/Germany to Plymouth? Faye McLaren A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Schemioneck, Nell" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:53 PMSubject: [SEQ-Germans] Church records > Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. >> details on his death> certificate are incorrect,I am > wondering if there would be any church records which might list Carl's> parents. According to the death certificate >>> died buried in Toowoomba Cemetery on 2 December 1895 by> Rev FF Langebecker (Lutheran). I am not sure how I go about finding out> which parish Rev Langebecker officiated in and whether there are any> records. Hello Nell Carl's burial online on Toowoomba/Drayton Grave site - Lutheran 31-36 Block 34 Allotments 31/32. I guess you've emailed GraveFinder. Was Carl married? Who is the Louise, aged 70, buried 1897 in the same plot as Carl. Is her death registered in Queensland? Was Carl married? If so, does the certificate say who his parents were? Do you know if he had siblings? When was he born? For example would he have been on 1880 Electoral Roll? Was he born in Germany or Australia. I see this surname is spelt a number of ways on Index of BDM. When you contacted the cemetery did they say whether he had a headstone or not? Di

"Schemioneck, Nell" > Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. The details on his death > certificate are incorrect,>>>> Nell, I take it you don't know who Carl SCHEMIONECK's parents are? Would it be possible that Minna Matilda SCHEMMALECK is Carl SCHEMIONECK's sibling? Minna Matilda SCHEMALLECK died 26/9/1886. Father: Reinhold SCHEMALLECK. Mother: Maria FELSENAN. Di

My Carlson ancestors came to Queensland on the Goalpara in 1884 - passenger list has ship leaving from Plymouth, England. How would they have gotten from Denmark/Sweden/Germany to Plymouth? Faye McLaren

Have you looked for a death/funeral notice and/or obituary? While these probably won't name the parents, they do sometimes mention siblings and you may be able to obtain their parent's details (which should also be Carl's). Also, did he naturalise? That may give you clues as to his origins in Germany and may help locate some parents. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schemioneck, Nell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Church records > Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. The details on his death > certificate are incorrect, listing his father as Thomas Dobbins (who was > actually the father of the woman who lived on the next farm who was also > recently deceased. Her husband was the informant of both deaths). I am > wondering if there would be any church records which might list Carl's > parents. According to the death certificate he died at Southbrook, > Darling Downs and was buried in Toowoomba Cemetery on 2 December 1895 by > Rev FF Langebecker (Lutheran). I am not sure how I go about finding out > which parish Rev Langebecker officiated in and whether there are any > records. Thanks for any help. > > Nell Schemioneck > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nell, Possibly if you contact the Lutheran Archives in Adelaide, they may have copies of the Parish Records. Their contact details are: The Lutheran Archives 27 Fourth Street, Bowden SA 5007 Telephone: (08) 8340 4009 Email: [email protected] In the book One Hundred Years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland by F O Theile, in Chapter IV page 21 T Langebecker is mentioned on the 9-6-1885 as Toowoomba Parish and there is a photo of him on the next page. Hope this helps Noel & Del Date sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:53:27 +1000 From: "Schemioneck, Nell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Church records Send reply to: [email protected] [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Carl Schemioneck died in December 1895. The details on his death certificate are incorrect, listing his father as Thomas Dobbins (who was actually the father of the woman who lived on the next farm who was also recently deceased. Her husband was the informant of both deaths). I am wondering if there would be any church records which might list Carl's parents. According to the death certificate he died at Southbrook, Darling Downs and was buried in Toowoomba Cemetery on 2 December 1895 by Rev FF Langebecker (Lutheran). I am not sure how I go about finding out which parish Rev Langebecker officiated in and whether there are any records. Thanks for any help. Nell Schemioneck A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message