Hi Did some digging and come up with another reason why they came here. There was the Bounty Scheme where some one out here would sponser a family to come out here, They worked for the person until the passage was paid for and then you could settle where you wanted and become a settler. This may have been an option as most of the Germans were trying to escape religious persecution and it was more of a bright future than staying in Germany/ Regards Anna On 19 June 2010 13:14, Martyn Smith <Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if it had anything to do with German immigrant Bernhard Otto > Holterman finding Australias larget ever gold nugget in 1872......the story > hit the world very quickly and I imagine that the German press would have > picked up and proliferated the story even faster. > > It could be that Germans emmigrants decided to change their plans > (mid-planning) from going to the Sth African gold fields in favour of a > potentially more lucrative Australia......just a thought. > > Martyn > > ________________________________________ > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [ > aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anna Bell [ > anna670@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 19 June 2010 12:59 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Reason for diverting from South Africa > > Hi > > My Kamps, and Vorpagels (from Brandenburg) arrived here in 1872 but on > their > emigration papers in > Germany they were supposed to go to South Africa the first Boer War was > not until 1880. > So that could hardly be the reason they came to Qld. > > There must have been some other reason. > > Regards Anna > > > On 19 June 2010 12:08, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South > > Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led > to > > the Boer War in the 1890s > > > > Regards > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> > > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > > John raises an interesting point. > > I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South > > Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. > > I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but > were > > diverted in England. > > I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America > and > > were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. > > I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow > > applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. > > I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. > > Albert grulke > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > > Heinemann > > Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM > > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > > > > On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these > > families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. > > The > > something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out > in > > his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian > > Friedrich > > Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume > > that > > he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar > > Godeffroy. > > > > I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to > > Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen > > agency could have been an influencing factor. > > > > John Heinemann > > > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. > > Please don't do it. > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > to > > South East Queensland, Australia. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > to > > South East Queensland, Australia. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > to > > South East Queensland, Australia. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have found the posting below in the archives. It contains a number of errors and omissions. Correct information is as follows: Annie Heinemann - married Henry James Dark (1886-1963)(known as Harry)in 1930(Qld BDM 1930/9553) They had one son who never married and who is deceased. Elizabeth Heinemann - never married. She was the last of her generation to die sometime after 1987. Peter Henry Heinemann - died Dec 1962. Married Hilda Margaretha Wilhelmine Steger (1901-1987) in 1930 (Qld BDM 1930/843) Both are buried in Toowoomba Drayton Cemetery. They had three children. Arthur John Heinemann - died 1959. He married Phyllis Esme Barlow (born 1912) sometime after 1935. They had no children. John Heinemann and Wilhelmine Drewes (my grandparents) had three children. He died in 1962 and she died in 1986. Both are buried in Toowoomba Drayton Cemetery. May Sophia Heinemann did not marry and died in 1962. John Heinemann From: "BJS" < bstro1@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: Researching HEINEMANN, ROSER/ROEHSER Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:26:28 -0000 References: <009801c251bd$82af71c0$cc598690@qccu> Hello John, I have Heinememanns linked with my Wittmaak line. My cousin Scott Beaver maried a Susan Roser, daughter of Noel and Susan of Toowoomba, Marriage took place in February last year. Will send you the Heinemann link and hope that we have a match.I am linked to the Wittmaaks in a distant way. Sorry I have no idea of Johann or John's parents names. Bev Strohfeldt Descendants of Johann Heinemann 1 Johann HEINEMANN .. +Amelia Gessnia WITTMAAK b: 3 July 1867 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1867/000588 m: 3 April 1888 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia src: Val Farmer 11/3/01 d: 7 December 1943 in Queensland, Australia src: Val Farmer 11/3/01 .......... 2 John HEINEMANN b: 21 February 1889 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1891/006389 LR. .............. +Wilhelmine Louise DREWES b: 27 October 1888 in Queensland, Australia m: 29 December 1915 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Mar. 1916/000833 .......... 2 Annie HEINEMANN b: 15 March 1891 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1891/003631 .......... 2 Elizabeth HEINEMANN b: 3 August 1893 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1893/003492 .............. +Rudolph Wilhelm WALDERMAR m: 28 February 1895 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Mar. 1895/00562 .......... 2 Peter Henry HEINEMANN b: 5 December 1895 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1896/003248 .............. +Bertha Maria KAJEWSKI m: 6 February 1907 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Mar. 1907/001449 .......... 2 May Sophia HEINEMANN b: 13 February 1900 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1900/003466 .......... 2 Arthur John HEINEMANN b: 25 August 1905 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Bir. 1905/003381 .............. +Lucy ROPE m: 22 November 1922 in Queensland, Australia src: Queensland Mar. 1922/002739

I have been reading comments about emigration with interest and for the first time checked out some of my ancestors on the Brandenburg Emigration Index. My grandmother's parents, C.F.W. ZILLLMAN (b. 1847) and Auguste Wilhelmine SCHAEFER (b. 1845) arrived in Queensland 16/07/1870 on the "Humboldt." Auguste's sister Marie Wilhelmine Ernestine Schaefer (b. 1859) m. August ARNDT arrived on 18/11/1884 on the "Merkara." The Schaefer parents, JOHANN JULIUS SCHAEFER (b. 1818) and Charlotte SCHMIDT (b. 1821 Schmoelln) came with them, Charlotte dying just four months after her arrival, and Johann Julius in 1907. There were details of all these emigrations in the Brandenburg register, but quite surprisingly, the whole Schaefer family - parents, these two daughters, plus two sons, are shown as going to, or applying to go to, Africa in 1858, and then Russia in 1862. It seems unlikely that they would actually have gone, and then returned to their place of origin (Eikstedt). Thus it must have been easier to get permission to go than to actually go. It does sound as though people in general were desperate to get away. Has anyone else found ancestors applying to go to different countries at different times like this? Lois Cameron.

John, You are probably right about Christian Arndt perhaps having died on the voyage. Normally the death should have been registered in Queensland, but a search of the CD for 1861 and 1862 show no marine deaths recorded for any German names. It appears the deaths on the Cesar Godeffroy 1861 weren't registered for whatever reason. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. John Heinemann

Hi all, I wonder if it had anything to do with German immigrant Bernhard Otto Holterman finding Australias larget ever gold nugget in 1872......the story hit the world very quickly and I imagine that the German press would have picked up and proliferated the story even faster. It could be that Germans emmigrants decided to change their plans (mid-planning) from going to the Sth African gold fields in favour of a potentially more lucrative Australia......just a thought. Martyn ________________________________________ From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anna Bell [anna670@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 19 June 2010 12:59 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Reason for diverting from South Africa Hi My Kamps, and Vorpagels (from Brandenburg) arrived here in 1872 but on their emigration papers in Germany they were supposed to go to South Africa the first Boer War was not until 1880. So that could hardly be the reason they came to Qld. There must have been some other reason. Regards Anna On 19 June 2010 12:08, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> wrote: > Hi > > One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South > Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led to > the Boer War in the 1890s > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > ________________________________ > From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > John raises an interesting point. > I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South > Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. > I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were > diverted in England. > I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and > were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. > I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow > applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. > I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. > Albert grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Heinemann > Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these > families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. > The > something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in > his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian > Friedrich > Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume > that > he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar > Godeffroy. > > I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to > Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen > agency could have been an influencing factor. > > John Heinemann > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi My Kamps, and Vorpagels (from Brandenburg) arrived here in 1872 but on their emigration papers in Germany they were supposed to go to South Africa the first Boer War was not until 1880. So that could hardly be the reason they came to Qld. There must have been some other reason. Regards Anna On 19 June 2010 12:08, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> wrote: > Hi > > One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South > Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led to > the Boer War in the 1890s > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > ________________________________ > From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > John raises an interesting point. > I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South > Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. > I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were > diverted in England. > I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and > were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. > I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow > applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. > I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. > Albert grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Heinemann > Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these > families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. > The > something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in > his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian > Friedrich > Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume > that > he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar > Godeffroy. > > I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to > Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen > agency could have been an influencing factor. > > John Heinemann > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John raises an interesting point. I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were diverted in England. I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. Albert grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lois I noticed your posting on Christian ZILLMANN. I have in my tree August Hugo Glabbert-Zillmann sometimes just called ZILLMANN. He was born 27 Mar 1841Brandenburg, Prussia d. 7 Aug 1917 Hatton Vale, Qld and married 4 Mar 1866 in Damme, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia Johanne Christine Wilhelmine SPRUNG b. 7 Jan 1844 Grenz, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 22 Feb 1928 Hatton Vale, Qld. August is the son of Hugo GLABBERT and Wilhelmine Christine Luise ZILLMANN. Wilhelmine is the daughter Daniel ZILLMANN and Marie Elisabeth BEUTEL. Wilhelmine also had a brother Daniel. I was wondering is your Christian connected to August. I do know that a daughter of Christian ZILLMANN by the name of Auguste Emilie ZILLMANN b. 1884 married on the 10 Dec 1908 Ludwig Richard KNOPKE b. 12 Nov 1886 Hatton Vale. Their daughter Rosie Amanda Knopke b. 4 May 1913 in Laidley, Qld married Walter Richard ZILLMANN b. 5 May 1909. Walter is a grandson of the above August. I am interested in the ZILLMANN family for a number of reasons: I am tracing all BEUTEL descendants from Brandenburg to Queensland. We have had some success in tying the different branches together. Also two of Augusts grandsons marry into my Kapernick family as do other descendants. They also marry back into the Beutel family Regards Chris ________________________________ From: lois <nore7mac@optusnet.com.au> To: ausqldgers <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 2:26:32 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] ZILLMANN SCHAEFE R ARNDT BRANDENBURG EMIGRATION I have been reading comments about emigration with interest and for the first time checked out some of my ancestors on the Brandenburg Emigration Index. My grandmother's parents, C.F.W. ZILLLMAN (b. 1847) and Auguste Wilhelmine SCHAEFER (b. 1845) arrived in Queensland 16/07/1870 on the "Humboldt." Auguste's sister Marie Wilhelmine Ernestine Schaefer (b. 1859) m. August ARNDT arrived on 18/11/1884 on the "Merkara." The Schaefer parents, JOHANN JULIUS SCHAEFER (b. 1818) and Charlotte SCHMIDT (b. 1821 Schmoelln) came with them, Charlotte dying just four months after her arrival, and Johann Julius in 1907. There were details of all these emigrations in the Brandenburg register, but quite surprisingly, the whole Schaefer family - parents, these two daughters, plus two sons, are shown as going to, or applying to go to, Africa in 1858, and then Russia in 1862. It seems unlikely that they would actually have gone, and then returned to their place of origin (Eikstedt). Thus it m! ust have been easier to get permission to go than to actually go. It does sound as though people in general were desperate to get away. Has anyone else found ancestors applying to go to different countries at different times like this? Lois Cameron. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led to the Boer War in the 1890s Regards Chris ________________________________ From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow John raises an interesting point. I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were diverted in England. I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. Albert grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Here is an interesting parallel for you re the deaths on the Ceasar Godeffroy. I am researching Gottfried Muller, wife Caroline and their daughter Maria. Maria was also missing in all Australian records post 1862 and we located her (as Mary Ann Miller) and her descendants only a few months ago. Something happened somewhere after the arrival and she was orphaned with comments of "being born at sea or parents died at sea" (I cant recall without going through my files). I suspect that she was abandoned as Caroline later in life abandoned 7 other children once their father died....I cant presume that she was a horrible mother but it certainly looks like it or there were some other, still unknown factors at play. Coincidentally Mary Ann (Marie Muller) married a Christian Frederick Schroeder....Im not assuming it's the same Christian you think died at see but if my Maria from the same vessel can disappear and turn up adopted to another family then maybe your Christian had the same fate. Martyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo group, We have received a request from a person living in Germany to help him try and make contact with any descendants of the Fleischmann family who settled and lived in Ipswich in the 19th century. This family we are interested in was that of Johann Friedrich FLEISCHMANN (1825 - 1897) and his wife Jacobine BUCKERT (1833 - 1917). They arrived in 1857 on board the ship "Eina", we believe departing from Bremmen. >From the "Aldine History of queensland" it says "He arrived in Brisbane in 1857, and a few months later came to Ipswich, of which place he has since continued a resident. Mr. Charles Fleischmann is also a native of Germany, and was born in 1852. He came out with his father to the colony in 1857. We know he was involved in a successful Harness / saddlery business in Ipswich. We have also found that some of the family later went to New South Wales and Canberra. A uncle of Johann, named Carl Fr. Leon. Fleischmann and family arrived in Moreton Bay on board the ship "Caeser Godeffroy" in 1855. We have done extensive research on these people in order to assist the person in Germany trace his relations. We have looked in the "White Pages" and noted 5 people of this surname in Queensland. We will make contact with them in due course. Our question to the group is. Does anyone know of any living descendants today and if so how we can contact them. Our contact in Germany is interested in an Email contact. Hope someone can help with an Email address and of course some names. tschuss Noel & Del Bergman

On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann

Thanks for the link to the emigration records. I found Gottfried Müller but not his wife Caroline or their baby Marie. Name: Gottfried Mueller Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Australien (Australia) Year: 1861 Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 1:29 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Location of Damerow From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg. There is a very good website on Ancestry which is the Brandenburg Emigration Index. This Index lists people who lived in Brandenburg and who were granted permission to Emigrate. People were required to obtain permission to emigrate, but of course there were some people who didn't gain the permission and who just left. If you are lucky enough to have your family on the index, you can write to the Archives in Berlin and for a fee obtain all the documation for their emigration. The Friederike Wilhelmine (Wilhelmine) ARNDT who married Karl Friedrich Wilhelm VOLKER in 1875 emigrated with her parents. Originally this Arndt family are recorded as gaining permission to emigrate to Africa in 1857 and are all on the index. She is recorded on the Index as Brandenburg Emigrantion List Friederike Wilhelmine Arndt Age: 4 Place of Origin: Damerow/Kreis Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 2 Mrz 1857 (2 Mar 1857) The family finally emigrated in 1861 on the "Cesar Godeffroy" to Moreton Bay. It would be an interesting story if it could ever be found on why they changed their mind from emigrating to Africa to Australia and the time difference between when they applied and actually emigrated. It is also interesting to note on the Emigrants from Hamburg Passenger List CD that Eric and Rosemary Kopittke transcribed on behalf of the QFHS, that the Muller family, Arndt Family and the Volker Family all boarded the ship together in Hamburg and all gave their last place of residence as Damerow Preussen, another interesting thing when you look at the Passenger List is that the Plahn family also boarded just before them and were from Damerow and also the Bellert family who were from Rollwitz Preussen boarded between the Plahn family and the Muller Family. Rollwitz is approx 4 klms north of the Damerow near Prernzlau. We and other people researching families who emigrated from Hamburg have found that quite often families who boarded together were often related or knew each. So this indicates that the Arndt family were from Damerow Kreis Prenzlau. Not Alt Damerow in Mecklenburg which is approximately 153 west of the Damerow north of Prenzlau. (as the crow flies) On the Brandenburg Emigration Index there is also the Volker Family who emigrated from Damerow Preussen on the "Cesar Godeffroy" in 1861. This family also obtained permission to emigrate to Africa and ended up in Australia. They are from Damerow in Kreis Prenzlau. Some explanations are necessary for those who are not familiar with some of the German terms. Surnames which originally had an umlaut such as ö are also shown as 'oe' With the entry for Christine it translates to Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff married to Voelker and the standing Frau von carl Friedrich translates to wife of Carl Friedrich, not that there was von in their name. Dez is short for December, Mrz is short for March, Afrika is german for Africa. Carl Friedrich Voelker Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff, Verh. Voelker Standing: Frau von Carl Friedrich Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Charlotte Christine Caroline Voelker Age: 19 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 3 Dez 1842 (3 Dec 1842) Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 17 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 9 Nov 1844 Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 12 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 20 Aug 1849 Marie Wilhelmine Caroline Voelker Age: 9 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 13 Sep 1852 Friedrich Carl Christian Voelker Age: 6 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 21 Mrz 1855 (21 Mar 1855) Hope this has helped to clear up the mystery. For others wishing to use the Brandenburg Emigration Index, it is a free index and the website is http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4121 Regards Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project

I am wondering. I have somewhere here a paper that says that Volker came from Damerow Prenzlau. I wonder have I had to wrong Damerow. Albert GRULERK -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 1:55 PM To: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au; aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Location of Damerow Hello Noel and Del This is getting very interesting! You didn't mention the Damerow which is still in Brandenburg. Damerow, near Kraatz, off the L25 road at co-ordinates 53.4041, 13.6541. It is northwest of Prenzlau - about 20 km by road according to Google Maps. Is this one on your map? I imagine it was also in Kreis Prenzlau, Brandenburg. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 1:29 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Location of Damerow From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Noel and Del This is getting very interesting! You didn't mention the Damerow which is still in Brandenburg. Damerow, near Kraatz, off the L25 road at co-ordinates 53.4041, 13.6541. It is northwest of Prenzlau - about 20 km by road according to Google Maps. Is this one on your map? I imagine it was also in Kreis Prenzlau, Brandenburg. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 1:29 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Location of Damerow From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg.

From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg. There is a very good website on Ancestry which is the Brandenburg Emigration Index. This Index lists people who lived in Brandenburg and who were granted permission to Emigrate. People were required to obtain permission to emigrate, but of course there were some people who didn't gain the permission and who just left. If you are lucky enough to have your family on the index, you can write to the Archives in Berlin and for a fee obtain all the documation for their emigration. The Friederike Wilhelmine (Wilhelmine) ARNDT who married Karl Friedrich Wilhelm VOLKER in 1875 emigrated with her parents. Originally this Arndt family are recorded as gaining permission to emigrate to Africa in 1857 and are all on the index. She is recorded on the Index as Brandenburg Emigrantion List Friederike Wilhelmine Arndt Age: 4 Place of Origin: Damerow/Kreis Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 2 Mrz 1857 (2 Mar 1857) The family finally emigrated in 1861 on the "Cesar Godeffroy" to Moreton Bay. It would be an interesting story if it could ever be found on why they changed their mind from emigrating to Africa to Australia and the time difference between when they applied and actually emigrated. It is also interesting to note on the Emigrants from Hamburg Passenger List CD that Eric and Rosemary Kopittke transcribed on behalf of the QFHS, that the Muller family, Arndt Family and the Volker Family all boarded the ship together in Hamburg and all gave their last place of residence as Damerow Preussen, another interesting thing when you look at the Passenger List is that the Plahn family also boarded just before them and were from Damerow and also the Bellert family who were from Rollwitz Preussen boarded between the Plahn family and the Muller Family. Rollwitz is approx 4 klms north of the Damerow near Prernzlau. We and other people researching families who emigrated from Hamburg have found that quite often families who boarded together were often related or knew each. So this indicates that the Arndt family were from Damerow Kreis Prenzlau. Not Alt Damerow in Mecklenburg which is approximately 153 west of the Damerow north of Prenzlau. (as the crow flies) On the Brandenburg Emigration Index there is also the Volker Family who emigrated from Damerow Preussen on the "Cesar Godeffroy" in 1861. This family also obtained permission to emigrate to Africa and ended up in Australia. They are from Damerow in Kreis Prenzlau. Some explanations are necessary for those who are not familiar with some of the German terms. Surnames which originally had an umlaut such as ö are also shown as 'oe' With the entry for Christine it translates to Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff married to Voelker and the standing Frau von carl Friedrich translates to wife of Carl Friedrich, not that there was von in their name. Dez is short for December, Mrz is short for March, Afrika is german for Africa. Carl Friedrich Voelker Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff, Verh. Voelker Standing: Frau von Carl Friedrich Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Charlotte Christine Caroline Voelker Age: 19 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 3 Dez 1842 (3 Dec 1842) Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 17 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 9 Nov 1844 Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 12 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 20 Aug 1849 Marie Wilhelmine Caroline Voelker Age: 9 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 13 Sep 1852 Friedrich Carl Christian Voelker Age: 6 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 21 Mrz 1855 (21 Mar 1855) Hope this has helped to clear up the mystery. For others wishing to use the Brandenburg Emigration Index, it is a free index and the website is http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4121 Regards Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project

John, Thank you, I am grateful for your response. I was hoping one of the families had more information about where Dammerow/Damerow was, and you did. I am satisfied now! By the way, the other Damerow I mentioned which is north west of Prenzlau is at co-ordinates 53.4, 13.65 and appears to be in Brandenburg. There is yet another one north-northeast of Prenzlau at 53.44, 13.97 which is in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 8:18 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 101 Jennifer The info I have says Frederick Arndt came from "Dammerow, Parchim, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany" which is presumably the same info that Albert has. I'm afraid I don't know how to access the relevant parish records. Dammerow north west of Prenzlau is also in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Telefonbuch lists a Volker in Zerrenthin which is about 10km northeast of Dammerow. John Heinemann

Jennifer The info I have says Frederick Arndt came from "Dammerow, Parchim, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany" which is presumably the same info that Albert has. I'm afraid I don't know how to access the relevant parish records. Dammerow north west of Prenzlau is also in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Telefonbuch lists a Volker in Zerrenthin which is about 10km northeast of Dammerow. John Heinemann

Hello Albert Thanks for confirming the place that John pointed out. There is an interesting site about the families from this area: http://www.ctrpnt.com/ahnen/index.html Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 8:46 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 100 Jennifer, I know this is crazy but I can confirm from my work that this is the place. I have no data here that I can find at this time but it is correct. Another Volker descendant named something Pegg actually went to Alte Damerow some years ago. He went there specifically to see where his Volker family came from and what their home was like. He found Arndt but no Volker. It does appear that Volker did not originate from Alte Damerow but did come to Queensland from there. If I remember correctly he did not find any Volker on the tombstones or any record of their having ever been there. However the shipping documents say Damerow. In my research and my book I found some 8 or 10 Volker families that came to Queensland. They are not related as far as I could work out but they all seemed to come from in the same general area. Albert -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 9:14 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 100 John, thanks for letting us know. I had found Klein Damerow south of Parchim, but discounted it in favour of the one in Brandenburg north west of Prenzlau because of the passenger records saying it was in Prussia, and I thought the one near Parchim was in Mecklenburg and was never in Prussia. Apart from the fact there are Arndt and Muller listings nearby, can you tell me how you know for sure Alt Damerow is the place the Arndts, the Mullers and Volkers on the Cesar Godeffroy in 1861 came from? Also, do you how to access the parish records for Alt Damerow? Regards, Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 7:22 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 100 Damerow is now known as Alt Damerow. It is 9km north west of Parchim. It is easily found using the German white pages(www.dastelefonbuch.de) which has a map search facility. It shows about 40 current listings for each of Arndt and Muller in the Parchim area, but no Volkers. My great Grandmother was Lousia Arndt who married Johann Ferdinand August Drewes. She was the sister of Fredericka, the Great Grandmother of Albert Grulke. John Heinemann

Jennifer, I know this is crazy but I can confirm from my work that this is the place. I have no data here that I can find at this time but it is correct. Another Volker descendant named something Pegg actually went to Alte Damerow some years ago. He went there specifically to see where his Volker family came from and what their home was like. He found Arndt but no Volker. It does appear that Volker did not originate from Alte Damerow but did come to Queensland from there. If I remember correctly he did not find any Volker on the tombstones or any record of their having ever been there. However the shipping documents say Damerow. In my research and my book I found some 8 or 10 Volker families that came to Queensland. They are not related as far as I could work out but they all seemed to come from in the same general area. Albert -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 9:14 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 100 John, thanks for letting us know. I had found Klein Damerow south of Parchim, but discounted it in favour of the one in Brandenburg north west of Prenzlau because of the passenger records saying it was in Prussia, and I thought the one near Parchim was in Mecklenburg and was never in Prussia. Apart from the fact there are Arndt and Muller listings nearby, can you tell me how you know for sure Alt Damerow is the place the Arndts, the Mullers and Volkers on the Cesar Godeffroy in 1861 came from? Also, do you how to access the parish records for Alt Damerow? Regards, Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 7:22 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 100 Damerow is now known as Alt Damerow. It is 9km north west of Parchim. It is easily found using the German white pages(www.dastelefonbuch.de) which has a map search facility. It shows about 40 current listings for each of Arndt and Muller in the Parchim area, but no Volkers. My great Grandmother was Lousia Arndt who married Johann Ferdinand August Drewes. She was the sister of Fredericka, the Great Grandmother of Albert Grulke. John Heinemann -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld-se-germans-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:01 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 100 SEQld German Today's Topics: 1. Re: Place name - Dammerow, Prussia (Judy) 2. Map of Damerow and areas surrounding (Bob & Jean Harm) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:57:53 +1000 From: "Judy" <raigmore@westnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Place name - Dammerow, Prussia To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F70987DC74574A7990CDE3AE66AEB0EC@RAIGMORE> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jennifer You could possibly check "Atlantic Bridge to Germany" by Charles M. Hall Vol 8 [I think] Judy Albert, Do you know which parish applies to people from Damerow, Uckermark? Do you know if the records are available anywhere? Jennifer ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:24:19 +1000 From: "Bob & Jean Harm" <harmrj@spiderweb.com.au> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Map of Damerow and areas surrounding To: AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <F262ACA57E9A4C3C9C2CB2F129D5B146@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have been sent a map showing most of the Uckermark area. It does show Damerow and lots of other towns. If anyone wants a copy, please email me at my address so I can attach the file. The kind lady who sent it to me has not resized it, so it is about 2.5 Mb. Jean Harm Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message