Chris, I have a Luise Wilhelmine LENZ that comes into my tree (way back) through a Huguenot line. She was born 1846 (place unknown) but she married a Wilhelm Lefevre born 18 Sept 1827 Rossow, Brandenburg. I also have a Marie Bertha LENZ born estimated 1884 Rossow Brandenburg who married Ferdinand August SY (another Huguenot line) in Rossow. Her parents were Wilhelm LENZ born about 1858 and Bertha Gloede born about 1861 (Places unknown). Also have a Linda Janet LENZ married 12 April 1980 in Maryborough to Phillip Charles FREESE. Do not know who her parents are. Kay Gassan -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2010 7:04 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching Hi Colin No, I don't. I think that line may tie a loose one or two together. Is Rena the same person as Fredericka Elizabeth BACHMANN? Who is Frederick's father do you know? Send the details through and I will get back to you with any connections Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Colin and Lenore Larter <cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 6:15:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching Chris I have a Frederick William Lenz and with wife Rena and family. Do you have them? Regards Colin Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Frederick William Lenz married Rena Millicent Eiby Children Frederick William Lenz Millicent Lenz Sorry I do not have any dates for them Regards Colin

Chris it is Rena Millicent Eiby that married Frederick William Lenz Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt" <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching > Hi Colin > > No, I don't. I think that line may tie a loose one or two together. Is > Rena the > same person as Fredericka Elizabeth BACHMANN? Who is Frederick's father do > you > know? > > Send the details through and I will get back to you with any connections > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Colin and Lenore Larter <cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au> > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 6:15:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching > > > Chris I have a Frederick William Lenz and with wife Rena and family. > Do you have them? > > Regards > Colin > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South > East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris I have a Frederick William Lenz and with wife Rena and family. Do you have them? Regards Colin

OK... Send the details thru please as I am also helping a lady researching LENZ who is not a member of the list and doesnt use computers much. I am using my resources to help her Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Colin and Lenore Larter <cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 7:21:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching Chris it is Rena Millicent Eiby that married Frederick William Lenz Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt" <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching > Hi Colin > > No, I don't. I think that line may tie a loose one or two together. Is > Rena the > same person as Fredericka Elizabeth BACHMANN? Who is Frederick's father do > you > know? > > Send the details through and I will get back to you with any connections > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Colin and Lenore Larter <cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au> > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 6:15:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching > > > Chris I have a Frederick William Lenz and with wife Rena and family. > Do you have them? > > Regards > Colin > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South > East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Colin No, I don't. I think that line may tie a loose one or two together. Is Rena the same person as Fredericka Elizabeth BACHMANN? Who is Frederick's father do you know? Send the details through and I will get back to you with any connections Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Colin and Lenore Larter <cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 6:15:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] LENZ family- Anyone Researching Chris I have a Frederick William Lenz and with wife Rena and family. Do you have them? Regards Colin Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I have a German historical cultural question - If a husband of a German couple died in the 1860's would the wife be likely to still carry his surname or is it expected or commonly practised like in English society to revert to her maiden name? My ancestor, which I have previously blogged was Caroline Muller and she was born to a Carl Hoban and mother Caroline Blumery Muller (nee Blumreich). I am trying to ascertain why she would have carried her mothers maiden name (albeit spelt incorrectly). Can I assume that Caroline had given her daughter her maiden name because the father Carl had died.....?? Any thoughts very welcome Martyn

Hi There will be two Kapernick family reunions in September. One will be held at Gatton Lutheran Church Hall, 85 Spencer St, Gatton on Saturday 18 September 2010 starting at 10 AM finishing around 5 PM. This venue still has to be confirmed- I have emailed the church but they have not got back to me and I am just about to do it again. If Gatton Church falls it will still be in Gatton- another hall, a park a farm whatever! The second will be at Murgon Lutheran Church Hall, 19 Thorn St, Murgon on Sat 25 September 2010. This will also be starting at 10 AM and finishing at 5 PM It was decided to have two reunions to make it easier for the large number of relatives in these districts. The format for both will be similar. There will be a bar-b-q lunch. The idea is that the reunion will be a fundraiser helping to defray the cost of the family history that will be released in March 2011. I am trying to keep the cost of the book down to $30, to make it easier for those who may wish to buy multiple copies for children etc. The cost will be $10 for an adult, $15 for a couple and $20 for a family of four- 2 adults and 2 children. Each additional child under 16 will $3.00, wheras teenagers over 16 are full adult price. Drinks will be available for sale- soft drinks $1.00, and tea and coffee $0.50c. Murgon Lutheran Church hires its hall at donation- there is no actual charge but you make a donation. What I suggest is that there will be a donation box there and if each Kapernick descendant or family contributes a gold coin to it that will cover the donation for the use of the hall. I presume Gatton will be a similar arrangement but if not that is ok. This is designed to be a pre-book launch get together. The book launch will be March 2011 date still to be set but this will be a whole weekend of fun and entertainment by our own! Come along toeither Gatton or Murgon and have some fun, enjoying meeting relatives you have not met! All family, friends and spouses welcome! We are a very nice and friendly bunch- even though I am biased! Chris

Hi I am wondering if there is still anyone on the list researching the LENZ family? Is Di Randall still on the list? I believe there may have been someon else, too. My interest in this family is because it marries into some families I am interested in. Also, the LENZ family being descended from the KRUGER family is of interest- although I have done little work on it so far I am doing a one name study on Kruger and its various forms such as Krueger, Krieger, Kroger around the world. I am also interested in exploring a possible connection between my Kapernick family and the LENZ family but as it involves living people I won't post it here. I am particularly interested in the descendants of Ernst Friedrich LENZ and Amalie Auguste KUTZKE and Friedrich Wilhelm LENZ and Fredericke Elizabeth BACHMANN. I am not even sure that these two couples are related and are from the same LENZ family. Regards Chris

Hi Even in English society it is only comparitively recent practice to go back to using your maiden name after a spouse died or after you were divorced. My dad died in 1989 at 53 and my mum doesn't use her maiden name. The normal reason for a child having the maiden name of a parent is illegitimicy. Often, and it is still quite common practice today, if the parents aren't actually married at the time of birth then the child will bear the maiden mame of the mother. It may be that they were engaged or married only shortly after but definitely in such a situation it was common practice for the child to take the maiden name of the mother. Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Martyn Smith <Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au> To: "aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com" <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 1:37:45 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Did German woman revert to maiden names after spousal deaths? Hi all, I have a German historical cultural question - If a husband of a German couple died in the 1860's would the wife be likely to still carry his surname or is it expected or commonly practised like in English society to revert to her maiden name? My ancestor, which I have previously blogged was Caroline Muller and she was born to a Carl Hoban and mother Caroline Blumery Muller (nee Blumreich). I am trying to ascertain why she would have carried her mothers maiden name (albeit spelt incorrectly). Can I assume that Caroline had given her daughter her maiden name because the father Carl had died.....?? Any thoughts very welcome Martyn Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have noticed in the archives that some time ago there was some discussion about whether certain shire or town councils had existed in the Toowoomba area. This week I have been amusing myself by looking at the National Library's Australian Newspapers web site (too cold and wet to go outside). I came across a number of articles relating to the proposed dismemberment of the Jondaryan Shire in 1912. It was apparently one of the original 79 Divisional Boards created by a 1879 Act of the Qld Parliament. Divisional Boards were made Shire Councils by the Local Government Act of 1902. The proposal in October 1912 by the Home Secretary was to "alter the boundaries of the Shires of Jondaryan, Gowrie, Inglewood, Rosalie, Rosenthal, and Waggamba and by including in the Shires of Rosalie and Wambo parts of the Shire of Jondaryan." The urban part of the Shire of Gowrie became the Town of Newtown. It was proposed to abolish the Shires of Drayton and Middle Ridge and incorporate their areas into the Shire of Jondaryan. The Shire of Jondaryan would then be subdivided into four new Shires - Millmerran, Pittsworth, Oakey and Westbrook. The proposals in relation to the Jondaryan Shire met considerable resistance and resulted in a poll of ratepayers in April 1913. The result of the poll was that two new Shires - Pittsworth and Millmerran were created. Jondaryan continued with the inclusion of the rural part of Gowrie and a small part of Rosalie ( I think that it had been agreed that the Western Railway line was the logical boundary between Jondaryan and Rosalie and thus the small part of Rosalie that was south of the line was incorporated into Jondaryan). Drayton remained a separate Shire as did Middle Ridge. The "Greater Toowoomba" scheme put in place in 1917 saw the incorporation of the whole of Newtown and parts of Middle Ridge, Highfields and Drayton Shires into the Toowoomba Council. The remainder of Middle Ridge was incorporated into the Drayton Shire. Later boundary changes resulted in Highfields being incorporated within the Crows Nest Shire. John Heinemann

Here are some more surnames. Regards Jane THOMAS HALL JOHN HALLEY, Baker RICHARD HARVEY IPSWICH BREWERY, John Johnston, Proprietor ALEXANDER MACGREGOR, Builder and Contractor WALTER TOM PRATT, Watchmaker and Jeweller WILLIAM PYSDEN, Ipswich Boot Factory HENRY PYTHIAN, Watchmaker ALBERT EDWARD ROBERTS, Coachbuilder

Hi Peter A while ago you sent me an extract on the KESSLER family on my old address. That email address was hacked into and I lost the extract, can you please resend it? Also, can you please check if there is anything on the following families - if you dont mind- BEUTEL KAPERNICK JORGENSEN (Kingaroy- Murgon area) TESCH STOLLZNOW PAECH BARTSCH MENGEL NOLLER TRUSS SCANLAN Some of those are for other people I am assisting. Thanks! Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Peter & Jane <peterschy@bigpond.com> To: AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 13 July, 2010 3:40:58 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Aldine History - Ipswich names Here are some more surnames. Regards Jane THOMAS HALL JOHN HALLEY, Baker RICHARD HARVEY IPSWICH BREWERY, John Johnston, Proprietor ALEXANDER MACGREGOR, Builder and Contractor WALTER TOM PRATT, Watchmaker and Jeweller WILLIAM PYSDEN, Ipswich Boot Factory HENRY PYTHIAN, Watchmaker ALBERT EDWARD ROBERTS, Coachbuilder Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are a few more names taken from Aldine History of Queensland. If anyone spots someone of interest, I can send you the relevant snippet about them. Regards Jane CHARLES BALDREY,Proprietor of the Volunteer Arms Hotel COSMOPOLITAN HOTEL, Bell and Union streets, George Shaw proprietor WILLIAM DIMMICK, Upholsterer and Decorator JOHN DRYSDALE, J.P., Plumber JOHN FERGUSON, Aerated Water and Cordial Factory J. AND C. FLEISCHMANN, Saddle and Harness Makers, THOMAS GRIFFITHS, Wheelwright and General Blacksmith ERNEST GREENWAY, Sculptor

The Gatton, Lockyer and Brisbane Valley STAR, Wednesday, July 7, 2010 - Page 17 Edwin remembered as one passionate human EDWIN Sippel will be fondly remembered for his love of music, passion for farming and commitment to his Christian faith. Edwin David Sippel was born on July 17, 1926, at the family home Billagoorpa at Long Gully. Ed, as he was widely known, was the oldest son of August Wilhelm and Emma Sippel (nee Muller). He was one of seven children, four girls and three boys. He grew up at Long Gully and was baptised and confirmed at St John's Lutheran Church in Minden. He attended Hatton Vale State School until the age of 14 when he went to help his dad on the farm. He was taught the piano at Minden and would ride his horse 10 a miles each week for lessons. He was later asked to join the Minden Brass Band and was given a cornet and a tutor book to learn the fingering which he mastered. Mr Sippel's natural musical ability together with his keen ear for music enabled him to teach himself to play the organ, violin and mouth organ. During band practice he was distracted by the smile of a pretty young lady Vera Schimke, who became his wife in 1948. The pair had six children together: Judith, John (dec), Rodney (dec), Lester, Errol and Lois. In 1955, they purchased Vera's parents' farm at Coolana and made their living by dairying, fattening pigs, and growing lucerne for fodder, crops of corn, pumpkin, onions and beetroot. In 1961 the old homestead was demolished and the present home was built. Mr Sippel was actively involved with the church, playing the organ at services for more than five decades. He taught Sunday school for just as long. He was also a church elder and congregational chairman. His grandchildren fondly remember celebrating Christmas Day at the Sippel farm with a family lunch and a game of cricket. Edwin passed away on June 22, aged 83 years and is survived by his two sisters Ruth and Ida, brother Reuben, four children and their partners — Judith and Graeme, Lester and Gayle, Errol and Elaine and Lois and Greg, 13 grandchildren and their partners, and four great- grandchildren.

I am planning to visit Poland in Spring (Northern Hemisphere) 2011 and want to progress my knowledge of ancestors from the Prussian towns/villages of Alt Christburg, Mothalen, Knakendorf and Behle prior to this. I don't speak German or Polish so am hesitant to follow the route of LDS micofilm etc. I know the current Polish names of each of these places and the provinces they are in. Can anyone direct me to a tried-and-true researcher in Poland who could research relevant records for me? I can certainly locate researchers on the Internet but would prefer a recommended one. I would like to also organise a 'genealogy tour' of three or four days for my visit to Poland. Several of these businesses advertise on the Internet, where custom private tours are designed to visit villages of your ancestors and organise accommodation, travel and a guide. Has anyone a recommendation for this type of tour? Please use my private email to respond if you feel that the endorsement of a commercial business is not suitable content for this list. Lyn (Rushby) lynpaul2@bigpond.com

>Any suggestions about other family tree websites I could use? * Rootsweb's WorldConnect http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com Though not actually 'family TREE' sites, I have also had success with: * LostCousins www.lostcousins.com * CuriousFox (for the UK & Ireland only) www.curiousfox.com To get the most out of these sites, be sure to read the instructions, tips and FAQ before submitting data. Judy ____________ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester Qld 4115, Australia. Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources). Indexes/advice: www.judywebster.com.au/index.html Genealogy Blog: http://qld-genealogy.blogspot.com/ On Facebook, search for 'Queensland Genealogy'.

Hi everyone will present a seminar at Toowoomba in association with the-This talk addresses three areas - organising your family records and memorabilia, storing and preserving your family archives and finally, sharing the results of your research with others and the long term future of your research and records. and Rosemary on - Examine the hidden material in Australian Government, Police and Education gazettes. Mostly we consider them to be irrelevant and uninteresting but that is definitely not the case. The gazettes contain information about people we would never find in other records. Contact tddfhs@westnet.com.au for bookings Thanks Marionne  

Hi all .. I am wondering if someone can help me please ? I have been researching my ancestors .. Gottfried Millewski/Milewski and Ernestine Laschinsky/i .. they came to Australia on the Lammershagen in 1873 .. arriving in Brisbane. I have two questions regarding this family ? Firstly .. their son Emil Millewski (married Emma Zeller) ... can someone tell me if they split up and went their separate ways ? I cannot find them together with their three children (Adolph, Lilian and Ethel) after 1903 census ... I can see an Emma Millewski living in Nanango though in 1913 .. which leads me to my second question ... (why would Emma be living in Nanango, if in fact it IS her?) Secondly .. there was another person named August Millewski .. who lived in Nanango Qld and murdered his neighbour and was tried and hanged in Boggo Road jail .. in 1907... His wife was Emily ... and on the Boggo Road info .. I found he had a daughter Alice and a son Alex ... I cannot find any other information on them .... I would like to find out if they are related to my Gottfried and Emil Millewski family .. if I can.. The reason I am asking about them .. is that Emma Millewski is named in the 1913 census living with them .... "Alex, Emily and Emma Millewski at Nanango" ... and in another 1913 census for the same search of Emma Millewski ..(in ancestry) .. I found her living alone same year in Nanango .. quite confusing .. I am hoping someone might be able to help me if there is anyone out there who can ... Look forward to hearing from you .. regards, Maree Larsen Hobart

The NLA newspapers are a treasure trove. A quick search turned up this obituary for this son: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article21109424 Play around with the keywords in the search and see what you find. Kerry