Hi Ian & Listers I am appalled. I did a google search on the person concerned. Interesting. Her tree has been removed from Ancestry. There is someone on Ancestry who has some of my names amongst his/her tree of 32,273 names. I have just realised that they are all from the 1881 censes, as my grandfather's name is incorrect - as it is on the census. These people are just name gatherers, not researchers. I have come across another through genesreunited who has over 40,000 names. Impossible for a family tree. I refused him access to my tree as he was not related to me, but to someone in my tree. How can we stop this? Pam in Brisbane From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <imkelly@hotkey.net.au> Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? To: "AUS-QLD-BRISBANE" <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Hi all Do you think this is ethical of not? Apparently a person by the name of Linda Lobwein, who lives in Brisbane, gets hold of books people write on their family history and puts all the names in the book on the internet on Rootsweb. I wrote a book for a reunion that we held in Toowoomba in 2006 and Linda has got hold of a copy and put all of the names from my book (some 1800) on the internet. To do this she would have entered all the names into her computer family history program and then done a Gedcom transfer to Rootsweb. So you can see Linda has been busy and she is not even related to me. Other people have also told me that they have also found Linda has done this with their family. This gives people the impression that it is all her own research which it is not. Nowhere on this website is there any acknowledgement of where she obtains her information. I have contacted Linda and asked her to remove my research data from the internet but she has not done so. She has removed a couple of names of living people that I have pointed out to her, but there could still be some there that I have not noticed. What annoys me most is that people on Rootsweb lists that I am subscribed to, have seen what they think is Linda's research and have emailed me to contact her as she has all this information that will help me, not knowing that she has taken it all from my book. One person even went to the trouble of actually sending me names, dates and places from the Rootsweb website, put there by Linda. So Rootsweb listers should be aware that there are some subscribers to this list who have copied other people's research but have not actually done that research and may know little about the family. Apparently what she is doing is not illegal but do you think it is ethical? Cheers Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Qld 4511

Interesting you say about the Genes reunited site .. I had a lady who contacted me and wanted all my info... I AM related to the Poet Robbie BURNS and can prove it....................... she states she is also related and could I please give her access to my tree ... she wanted all the info I could supply her. even asked to give her access to the Living relatives........ On asking how she was connected here is what she gave me.. My Ancestor who IS Related.. had a Daughter Elizabeth. who married a William ***so far correct.. William had a Sister who married a William ......Who's Brother had a Son..... who had a Son ....who's Son was living with a lady ****not married Living with a Lady who's Father's Brother was her Grandfather............. She didn't even have the correct dates for the first Elizabeth and William..... and Im sure if I bothered to check the names she gave me for the Son's Son's etc I would find some errors .. When I challenged her about the dates she had for Elizabeth and William...................... she said............ "she puts everything she gets onto her tree and THEN and only When someone who is directly connected to anyone in her tree finds a mistake she corrects it........that way she knows it will be right because that person was directly connected ".... needless to say she DIDN'T get access to my information................. There is also information on the IGI about my Family which is totally incorrect....................and I cant find a source it was put there by someone ... (because of the Batch No. ) The info on here has the right Parents.......a couple of the Children correct but has them Living in Victoria not Qld... and one that is buried in Dutton Park and never married they have in Victoria..with a Family...... I cant understand people just adding names to their Family without checking...................the interesting thing I find about this hobby is when you do find a Lost relative and can actually prove they belong you get a sence of achievement... I have a lot of extra names in my Data base...............Names that I know are connected to the Family... but cant yet prove...... I think we all have this.... but do NOT add until you can say for sure that they are yours... Trouble is we cant do anything about it EXCEPT not to share unless we know they are definately Family and then select what Info you want them to have Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Dale" <pamjdale@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 130 > Hi Ian & Listers > > I am appalled. I did a google search on the person concerned. > Interesting. Her tree has been removed from Ancestry. There is > someone on Ancestry who has some of my names amongst his/her tree of > 32,273 names. I have just realised that they are all from the 1881 > censes, as my grandfather's name is incorrect - as it is on the > census. These people are just name gatherers, not researchers. I > have come across another through genesreunited who has over 40,000 > names. Impossible for a family tree. I refused him access to my tree > as he was not related to me, but to someone in my tree. > > How can we stop this? > > Pam in Brisbane > > From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <imkelly@hotkey.net.au> > Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? > To: "AUS-QLD-BRISBANE" <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> > Hi all > > Do you think this is ethical of not? Apparently a person by the name > of Linda Lobwein, who lives in Brisbane, gets hold of books people > write on their family history and puts all the names in the book on > the internet on Rootsweb. > > I wrote a book for a reunion that we held in Toowoomba in 2006 and > Linda has got hold of a copy and put all of the names from my book > (some 1800) on the internet. To do this she would have entered all > the names into her computer family history program and then done a > Gedcom transfer to Rootsweb. So you can see Linda has been busy and > she is not even related to me. Other people have also told me that > they have also found Linda has done this with their family. This > gives people the impression that it is all her own research which it > is not. Nowhere on this website is there any acknowledgement of where > she obtains her information. > > I have contacted Linda and asked her to remove my research data from > the internet but she has not done so. She has removed a couple of > names of living people that I have pointed out to her, but there could > still be some there that I have not noticed. > > What annoys me most is that people on Rootsweb lists that I am > subscribed to, have seen what they think is Linda's research and have > emailed me to contact her as she has all this information that will > help me, not knowing that she has taken it all from my book. One > person even went to the trouble of actually sending me names, dates > and places from the Rootsweb website, put there by Linda. > > So Rootsweb listers should be aware that there are some subscribers to > this list who have copied other people's research but have not > actually done that research and may know little about the family. > > Apparently what she is doing is not illegal but do you think it is > ethical? > > Cheers > Ian Kelly > Sandstone Point Qld 4511 > > > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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