Lo Ian and Margaret This is the very reason that I have never published anything except snippets of my tree. Anyone who has connections to those snippets can get in touch with me for more information. Yes what the lady has done is unethical in the extreme. John Bryant -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld-brisbane-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:00 PM To: aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 130 Today's Topics: 1. Is this ethical or not? (Ian & Margaret Kelly) 2. Re: Is this ethical or not? (Rosemary M Chalmers) 3. Re: Is this ethical or not? (Dot Robertson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:22:05 +1000 From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <imkelly@hotkey.net.au> Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? To: "AUS-QLD-BRISBANE" <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5575F612D4834E17BCBB80DF41CBEEE4@IANKELLY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all Do you think this is ethical of not? Apparently a person by the name of Linda Lobwein, who lives in Brisbane, gets hold of books people write on their family history and puts all the names in the book on the internet on Rootsweb. I wrote a book for a reunion that we held in Toowoomba in 2006 and Linda has got hold of a copy and put all of the names from my book (some 1800) on the internet. To do this she would have entered all the names into her computer family history program and then done a Gedcom transfer to Rootsweb. So you can see Linda has been busy and she is not even related to me. Other people have also told me that they have also found Linda has done this with their family. This gives people the impression that it is all her own research which it is not. Nowhere on this website is there any acknowledgement of where she obtains her information. I have contacted Linda and asked her to remove my research data from the internet but she has not done so. She has removed a couple of names of living people that I have pointed out to her, but there could still be some there that I have not noticed. What annoys me most is that people on Rootsweb lists that I am subscribed to, have seen what they think is Linda's research and have emailed me to contact her as she has all this information that will help me, not knowing that she has taken it all from my book. One person even went to the trouble of actually sending me names, dates and places from the Rootsweb website, put there by Linda. So Rootsweb listers should be aware that there are some subscribers to this list who have copied other people's research but have not actually done that research and may know little about the family. Apparently what she is doing is not illegal but do you think it is ethical? Cheers Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Qld 4511 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:08:40 +0930 From: "Rosemary M Chalmers" <rosechal@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8395C2E885DD4E4DAC533C9F7C9E6E32@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ian, I would have thought that it was a copyright issue. I know that with copyright laws being what they are, when writing a book on Family History one has to be very carefull about what research is actually addedbecause of the question on who actually owns the copyright. I'd check it out if I was you. And yes I agree that it is unethical when she doesn't acknowledge the source of her information. Bye, Rosemary M Chalmers Palmerston Bookkeeping Services Darwin NT Australia rosechal@iinet.net.au www.rmchalmers.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <imkelly@hotkey.net.au> To: "AUS-QLD-BRISBANE" <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? > Hi all > > Do you think this is ethical of not? Apparently a person by the name of > Linda Lobwein, who lives in Brisbane, gets hold of books people write on > their family history and puts all the names in the book on the internet on > Rootsweb. > > I wrote a book for a reunion that we held in Toowoomba in 2006 and Linda > has got hold of a copy and put all of the names from my book (some 1800) > on the internet. To do this she would have entered all the names into her > computer family history program and then done a Gedcom transfer to > Rootsweb. So you can see Linda has been busy and she is not even related > to me. Other people have also told me that they have also found Linda has > done this with their family. This gives people the impression that it is > all her own research which it is not. Nowhere on this website is there > any acknowledgement of where she obtains her information. > > I have contacted Linda and asked her to remove my research data from the > internet but she has not done so. She has removed a couple of names of > living people that I have pointed out to her, but there could still be > some there that I have not noticed. > > What annoys me most is that people on Rootsweb lists that I am subscribed > to, have seen what they think is Linda's research and have emailed me to > contact her as she has all this information that will help me, not knowing > that she has taken it all from my book. One person even went to the > trouble of actually sending me names, dates and places from the Rootsweb > website, put there by Linda. > > So Rootsweb listers should be aware that there are some subscribers to > this list who have copied other people's research but have not actually > done that research and may know little about the family. > > Apparently what she is doing is not illegal but do you think it is > ethical? > > Cheers > Ian Kelly > Sandstone Point Qld 4511 > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:43:41 +1000 From: "Dot Robertson" <andover41@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA308059DDE7487683969897DE1801B2@greyomega> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No , it is not ethical..!! and it stinks of plagiarism..? does it not..? Dot R ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian & Margaret Kelly To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:22 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Is this ethical or not? Hi all Do you think this is ethical of not? Apparently a person by the name of Linda Lobwein, who lives in Brisbane, gets hold of books people write on their family history and puts all the names in the book on the internet on Rootsweb. ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-QLD-BRISBANE list administrator, send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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