thanks to Margaret for her reply and to others who have provided information about naturalization/voting privileges etc. your replies have been very helpful..one more question-! By being "compulsory" to be on an electoral list, is this really the very best way then to find if someone was living in OZ for any particular year or range of years? and does NAA or each State Archives have electoral rolls for all areas available for public viewing.or are there restrictions? i am trying to be very methodical and thorough here...so, can I search EVERY STATE for relevant years? is this possible? eg, EVERY STATE for years 1964-1975? for each of 4 individuals?...I know where "my family in question" was in 1964 but then they become "lost". looking forward to your tips. liz of BC Canada At 9:00 AM +1000 2/23/06, Margaret Otto wrote: >So the answer to your question is that > >- yes they were probably on the Electoral lists because I think back >then it was compulsory as it is today, and > >- no ...probably not naturalised. > >Have you tried the Government website for the National Archives. >You could do a search there perhaps.

Haven't posted anything for a while so here goes:- My RUSSELL family came to Qld in 1883 from Warwickshire England. In 1881 they appeared on the census living in Aston, Warwick. Found them in 1883 in shipping arrivals in Cooktown on the " Nowshera". Family consisted of Thomas, wife Elizabeth and daughter Mary. Elizabeth died in July 1886 in Spring Hill Brisbane. I believe that Thomas may have died in 1889. This leaves a 12 year old daughter Mary an orphan in a strange country. Could anyone tell me what is likely to have happened to her? Would it be orphanage or domestic work? Would ther be an online databases for Brisbane orphanages of that time? I do have a marriage for Mary in 1900 in Bundaberg. She became my grandmother. regards Evelyn

Does anyone know when Queensland will release more death Indexes? Compared to NSW [1975] probates [1982] and Victoria[1985] probates [1992] Queensland [1964] needs more recent death indexes released. Are electoral rolls the only source of information publicly available form 1970 on wards ? Karen

Hi List Is the death index easy to search like they in NSW. If so what is the URL for them? Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark & Karen Hodges" <hodgs@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] Death Indexs > Does anyone know when Queensland will release more death Indexes? > > > > Compared to NSW [1975] probates [1982] and Victoria[1985] probates [1992] > Queensland [1964] needs more recent death indexes released. > > Are electoral rolls the only source of information publicly available form > 1970 on wards ? > > > > Karen > > > > ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

> I wonder if someone can shed some light on this matter...i think I > remember someone saying that cremations at Brisbane may not show up on > their cemetery website? is this true? If he was cremated and living on that side of Brisbane, I would suspect that it would most likely be at Mt Thompson Crematorium. They now appear to have an on-line presence at: http://www.mtthompsoncrem.com.au/ You could try asking them. Kerry

> What is the likelihood that someone who emigrated in 1948 would then > become an Australian citizen? > > Did one have to become Naturalized to be on the Electoral lists? if one > was a British subject? No, at that time, if the person was a British subject, then they could vote in Australia. They did not need to take out Australian citizenship and therefore generally didn't do so. It is predominantly non-British subjects who you will find in the naturalisation records. > If one came to Brisbane in 1948 having applied for emigration etc, and > then might have returned to Britain, is there some way to find > out?>..reverse emigration?... If so, the records would probably be in the UK rather than Australia. Kerry

Hi Liz If he was cremated at any of the private crematoriums he will not be listed on the Brisbane City Council website. A lot of people were cremated at these crematoriums in the later years. If you can give any further addresses it would be good. I will be visiting the Queensland State Archives early next week so could hopefully look up some electoral rolls to see if I can find a cut-off date for him. Regards Helen -----Original Message----- From: Harvie and Liz Barker [mailto:hebarker@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 9:06 AM To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] not found at Brisbane cemetery? Dear listers: I am still trying to find THOMAS HOPE who emigrated to Brisbane 1948 from Britain. I have identified that he lived at 45 Edgar st East Brisbane as late as 1964 and will try to find further [later] dates. He was born at Westhoughton< Lancashire, 1902 so it is highly unlikely he would be still alive. I tried online for Brisbane cemeteries and he does NOT appear to be buried there. I tried Ryerson index and one "Thomas Hope ' is unlikely to be him. I wonder if someone can shed some light on this matter...i think I remember someone saying that cremations at Brisbane may not show up on their cemetery website? is this true? He was accompanied to Brisbane by DORIS MURIEL GATES "HOPE" who was not living with him by 1954. INEZ PALMER "HOPE" was living with him in 1958 and 1964. Does anyone know about any of these folks? NONE OF THEM seem to be in database for Brisbane cemeteries. thanks liz of BC Canada ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== Legacy Family Tree is now FREE! Download this highly acclaimed full-featured genealogy program today at http://www.audps.com ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi If they arrived before the 26th January 1949 they automatically became an Australian citizen on that date. No you did not have to be naturalized (if you were born in the UK) to be on the Electoral roll. My Dad arrived as a 9 year old in June 1949 ans joined the Australian Army and was a Justice of the Peace and was on the Electoral roll. It was only in the 1980s when he applied for an Australian passport that he found he wasn't an Australian citizen as he had always though the was one. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Harvie and Liz Barker [mailto:hebarker@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 9:00 AM To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] naturalization? or return to Britain? Dear listers: I have a 2 questions about emigration to Australia from Britain in the years 1948-1950. What is the likelihood that someone who emigrated in 1948 would then become an Australian citizen? Did one have to become Naturalized to be on the Electoral lists? if one was a British subject? and where could I go to find [online?] or other records for Naturalization? If one came to Brisbane in 1948 having applied for emigration etc, and then might have returned to Britain, is there some way to find out?>..reverse emigration?... thanks for your wisdom, liz of BC Canada ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send message to: L List Aus-Qld-Brisbane-l-request@rootsweb.com or D List Aus-Qld-Brisbane-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear listers: I am still trying to find THOMAS HOPE who emigrated to Brisbane 1948 from Britain. I have identified that he lived at 45 Edgar st East Brisbane as late as 1964 and will try to find further [later] dates. He was born at Westhoughton< Lancashire, 1902 so it is highly unlikely he would be still alive. I tried online for Brisbane cemeteries and he does NOT appear to be buried there. I tried Ryerson index and one "Thomas Hope ' is unlikely to be him. I wonder if someone can shed some light on this matter...i think I remember someone saying that cremations at Brisbane may not show up on their cemetery website? is this true? He was accompanied to Brisbane by DORIS MURIEL GATES "HOPE" who was not living with him by 1954. INEZ PALMER "HOPE" was living with him in 1958 and 1964. Does anyone know about any of these folks? NONE OF THEM seem to be in database for Brisbane cemeteries. thanks liz of BC Canada

Dear listers: I have a 2 questions about emigration to Australia from Britain in the years 1948-1950. What is the likelihood that someone who emigrated in 1948 would then become an Australian citizen? Did one have to become Naturalized to be on the Electoral lists? if one was a British subject? and where could I go to find [online?] or other records for Naturalization? If one came to Brisbane in 1948 having applied for emigration etc, and then might have returned to Britain, is there some way to find out?>..reverse emigration?... thanks for your wisdom, liz of BC Canada

Hello Colin, I could not find a death for Sarah to 1964 or marriage to 1914. I found the death of her Mother and what could be the remarriage of her Father. If you would like these please let me know. June. ____________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com

Would there be a person who has further details on Sarah Greasley Larter other than her parents William Frederick Larter and Betsy Greasley and her birth date of 13 Jan 1859 Ipswich. I am looking for her death record or if she got married. Regards Colin Larter

Dear June, Yes it is. The information is very much appreciated. We note that Mary Catherine died six years to the day after her husband's death and, of course, it's the anniversary of both their deaths today - in this hemisphere, at least! The life Arthur led appears to have been an extremely varied one. Early education in the Blue Coat Charity School round the corner from where he lived in one of the poorer quarters of Oxford, England, an apprenticeship as a cook at Christ Church College there - which he did not complete - a seemingly lone trip on the Indus to Moreton Bay in 1873 as a 19 year old, possibly leasing government land in Queensland to mine for gold, running a hotel and living in one of the better parts of Brisbane, trips to USA, including one where his final destination was London, and, we hope, a happy retirement back in Australia. We'd like to know more about Mary, so back to the drawing board with her! Regards, Rosie and Chris Plymouth UK From: "june pickering" <march63june@yahoo.com.au> To: "Chris Rendle" <southwestrepro@btconnect.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [AQ-BRISBANE] Arthur and Mary Catherine EARL Hello Chris, Could this be your Arthur. EARL Arthur died: 17/2/1931/B013380. Father: John EARL. Mother: Mahala JONES. June.

Hi Listers ,I am trying to find any desc from my Dads 1/2 brother who was a "Kennedy Nicholas Murphy " who married a "Vera King " ex Chinchilla , and lived at Dalby and both are buried there in the lawn Cty Kennedy also had a sister "Alice " plus a brother "Thomas "that I am also trying to locate data about ,hope some one can assist me Regards Terry Murphy Kallangur

Hello Rosemary I couldnt get in either, it has been like that for a fair chunk of today. Cheers Melissa NSW ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rosemary M Chalmers" <rosechal@octa4.net.au> Reply-To: "Rosemary M Chalmers" <rosechal@octa4.net.au> To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] Online IGI Index Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:49:32 +0930 Hi Listers, Is anyone else having problems accessing the chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints web site? I've been trying on and off all day and I keep getting the message that it cannot access the server. If someone else is having the same problem at least I'll know it is not my computer playing up. Thanks, Rosemary M Chalmers Darwin NT Australia rosechal@octa4.net.au ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== Scattered Ashes www.scatteredashes.net ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx _________________________________________________________________ Ever wanted to be a TV Stylist? Win Your Dream Job at MyCareer http://dreamjob.mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=213322

hi I am wondering if SKS could take a photo of the house at 45 Edgar st. East Brisbane?...if it still exists, that is. our ancestor lived there about 1953-1959. would be very much appreciated. thanks liz of BC Canada

Hi Listers, Is anyone else having problems accessing the chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints web site? I've been trying on and off all day and I keep getting the message that it cannot access the server. If someone else is having the same problem at least I'll know it is not my computer playing up. Thanks, Rosemary M Chalmers Darwin NT Australia rosechal@octa4.net.au

Hi Everyone I am also looking for information to find details about my greatgrandfather who was recorded as Baliff at Ravenswood NQ on his death certificate 1904. He is John Thomas Gardiner Creber WATSON How would I obtain records about him. Regards Mary Linning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary M Chalmers" <rosechal@octa4.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] Queensland Bailiff's > Hi Listers, > > This is not a specific Brisbane question but I am hoping someone on the > list can head me in the right direction. > > I am wanting to find out information on Baliff's in Queensland. More > specifically a George EALES who was a bailiff in Maryborough in the 1870's > and 1880's. He had a child born in Brisbane in 1871 so there is a Brisbane > connection. > > Where would I go to find out information on him? > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Bye, > Rosemary M Chalmers > Darwin NT Australia > rosechal@octa4.net.au > > > ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send message to: > L List Aus-Qld-Brisbane-l-request@rootsweb.com > or > D List Aus-Qld-Brisbane-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

A very sincere thank you to June, David, Barb and Werona (once again!) for so many new leads to follow up with the EARL family. Considering that the vast majority of Rosie's relatives lived in or close to Oxford, England (and still do), this branch of research is refreshing for us both. David, we'll look at Mount Thompson cremations; Barb, you make a house in Yabba Street sound like the ultimate Brisbane des res! Werona, we were hoping that the Australian Hotel might still be there, but there's been just a little bit of redevelopment in the Queen Street area, according to some pics we've seen! June, we believe Arthur died before Mary, but it might have been in USA or the land of his birth, England. But we would appreciate it if you could check any Queensland deaths for Arthur EARL prior to Mary's death. We're confident that Arthur didn't have a middle name and that he was alive in 1912 en route for London via San Francisco. Once again, we appreciate your time and expertise. Regards, Rosie and Chris Plymouth UK

dear listers, I have received an emigration file and this person was willing to nominate our ancestor for emigration. REV B V BORROUGHS in 1948 I tried Freebmd and found an Benjamin Victor Borroughs born 1898 at West Riding, Yorkshire...he was listed as "friend" on Thomas's file. the birth year would "fit'. His address was "the rectory, Kilcoy, Queensland" I gather our ancestors actually stayed with him for some time as he was willing to accomodate them Does anyone have any info about this clergyperson? How long was required to 'house' someone after emigration? was there a requirement or commitment? Where could I look for historical info about CE clergy in Queensland? but of course, rather more recent...1948. Thomas Hope and his daughter Margaret Maureen went from England to Brisbane, 1948 and another family also, Doris Muriel "Hope' and son Charles Marcus R Gates. looking forward to your wisdom! thanks Liz of BC Canada