dear listers: I was able to find out that a THOMAS HOPE died "in 1983" and was cremated. I unfortunately do not know where or the date, but he was cremated in a Brisbane crematorium that is thought to serve East Brisbane area. "MY" THOMAS HOPE lived for many years at 45 Edgar street.[from 1954-1969 confirmed through Electoral Rolls and Brisbane Telephone directories] I am uncertain where he might have lived after that. State library did tell me he seemed to no longer be at 45 Edgar but I am uncertain if he was elsewhere in the area. "MY" Thomas Hope was born 1902 England and should be about 81-82 at death in 1983 Is a lookup for OBIT possible? could I do it from Canada online? looking for your advice, thanks Liz of British Columbia, Canada

Well, we are back in business after that long hot humid summer (is it over yet?). It was often too hot to be out photographing cemeteries, so we made some progress on indexing the photos we already had. So ... New to our collection of photos-and-names for small cemeteries around Brisbane: * Woodford, Caboolture Shire * Kalbar (Engelsburg) Baptist, Boonah Shire * Kalbar Catholic, Boonah Shire * Kalbar General, Boonah Shire * Christmas Creek Sacred Heart Catholic, Beaudesert Shire * Wonglepong [I love this name!], Beaudesert Shire * Tamrookum All Saints Anglican, Beaudesert Shire * Mt Beppo Apostolic, Esk Shire * Mt Cotton (aka Gramzow, Carbrook, Cornubia) Lutheran, Logan City You can find our photos of cemeteries, columbarium walls and other memorial plaques at: www.ChapelHill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/ You can find our war memorial photos at: www.ChapelHill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Other/WarMemorials/ Please send in suggestions for small cemeteries or columbarium walls or any other places with memorials in the Brisbane area that we can include in our site. Check the WWW pages above to see the ones we have already done or are works in progress. Kerry Raymond & David Horton

would anyone on the list have the passenger list for the Young Australia from Germany to Brisbane 1864 and 1866 hoping someone can help Regards Karen B -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 432 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

Hi Listers ,I would like to see if any one has links to a "Kelvin Norman Hargreaves' who once lived at kendall St East Bunderberg ,as I have a "reference " given to him via a "Mr L J Lucas" who was the Town Clerk at the time ,I found this in an old motor car manual ,still in the council envelope ? and would like to see it go to the family perhaps ! hope some may see a clue ?cheers Terry Murphy

Hoping SKS on list may have a connection to the familes listed below. Gilbert Vincent CRANE born 1909 married Eileen Mary PARKER in 1937. They had 3 daughters, Valerie, Beverley and Eileen. Wishing to make contact. Esme Maud CRANE born 1908 married William Joseph MILLS 1926. They had sons, one of which was named John. would like to trace family. William Joseph died in 1948 but do not have anything else on this family. regards Evelyn

Would there be someone kind enough to do a look-up for me at the State Library of Queensland? If so, please contact me off-list and I can pass on the details. With thanks, Margery (Gloucester, NSW)

I am trying to find out more about a marriage conducted according to the Rites of the Wesleyan Church, in 1867, in Brisbane. Does anyone know if there are Archives kept for this time? If so, how could I access them? Also the certificates states that the marriage was "By (or before) me (signed ) Henry Woodhouse Officiating Minister or Registrar". Does anyone know whether he was either the Minister or the Registrar? The couple involved are John PHAIR and Elizabeth STEPHENS. With thanks for any help, Margery (Gloucester, NSW)

Hello Listmembers, Some time ago I asked the List if anyone had any information on Thomas (I, J or T) JOHNSON of Valley Brisbane, and I thought that it might be time to post my query again. On 23 January 1867 my husband's great grandparents John PHAIR and Elizabeth STEPHENS/STEVENS were married at Mr. JOHNSON'S residence. As Elizabeth was shown as a Housekeeper, I feel that she would have been in Mr JOHNSON'S employ. I have no idea how or when Elizabeth arrived in Brisbane and I am wondering if she could have come to Australia either to be employed by Mr JOHNSON or actually with the JOHNSON family. I have traced her in the 1861 England Census where she was employed as a domestic servant. I would be very interested to find out more about Thomas JOHNSON. It would seem that he was a man of means if he was able to employ a housekeeper. Any ideas will be appreciated. Margery

Hi, I'm looking for any information about marriage or children of Samuel William Skinner (1871-1951). Neale

Hello List I am willing to do look ups for the UK 1841 CENSUS for the following English Counties ONLY, please contact me off list. I need to know the County, parish (if you know it), town, also age, even if it is a guess, would be helpfull too. Cambridgeshire, Cornwall, Derbyshire, Devon, Dorset, Essex, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Bristol Herefordshire, Huntingdonshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Monmouthshire, Norfolk, Nottinghamshire, Rutland, Somerset, Staffordshire, Suffolk, Surrey, Warwickshire, Wiltshire Worcestershire. Cheers Melissa _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

> By being "compulsory" to be on an electoral list, is this really the very > best way then to find if someone was living in OZ for any particular year > or range of years? and does NAA or each State Archives have electoral > rolls for all areas available for public viewing.or are there > restrictions? i am trying to be very methodical and thorough here...so, > can I search EVERY STATE for relevant years? is this possible? eg, EVERY > STATE for years 1964-1975? for each of 4 individuals?...I know where "my > family in question" was in 1964 but then they become "lost". I cannot say for certain about other states, but for Qld, yes, the State Archives has many years worth of electoral rolls, which can be viewed on microfilm. The National Archives also has electoral rolls (at least for the state in which that branch is located). That's the good news. The bad news is that they are not a statewide alphabetical list for most of the period you are interested in, but rather individual lists for each electorate. So it is easy to confirm that someone is still at the same address, as you look up the same electorate as the previous year. But if they move, then you may have to search every electorate to find them. Sometimes there are annotations made in the margins to indicate that someone moved into another electorate (which makes it easier to track them down but there is no guarantee of finding such annotations). Kerry

thanks to everyone who helped me with stories to illustrate the complexities of emigration/naturalizaton between England and Australia...nice stories and now I think I have a better understanding of the movements of folks back and forth from Britain to OZ...thanks also for the discussions about electoral rolls and passports etc. this is a great and very helpful list, much appreciated Liz of BC Canada just after a snow squall that blew in from the north!..

Dear Brisbane Listers Thank you very much for the interesting exchanges re migration and naturalization. In a similar vein, are there any experts on 19th century migration, on the list? Does anyone know if migrants in the mid 19th century received state assistance (either English county or Queensland state) with their travel costs? If so, what were the qualifications to receive such assistance? I have, for sometime, been researching the motivation and financing of the migration of my MORRIS 3Xgreat uncles and aunts to Brisbane from Boulton, Derbyshire and Aspley, Nottinghamshire, England (yes they did prompt the naming of Aspley, Brisbane). One puzzle is that 2 of them understated their ages significantly, on ship's papers viz. under 50 when in fact they were over 50 years of age. Does this suggest that only the under 50's were being encouraged to migrate? Any information regarding migration motivation at that time would be very much appreciated. If anyone is interested in my MORRIS/THRUTCHLEY/ROBINSON family please contact me, as I have unearthed some significant new and amended information regarding their ancestors back to the start of the 18th century. (For clarification: John and Eleanor MORRIS and six of their children, ranging in age from 26-year-old Elizabeth down to 5-year-old Alfred, sailed on the Conway, arriving in Moreton Bay on 27th November 1862. Also on the voyage was John's brother and sister in law, William and Ann MORRIS along with their children: Henry, William, Alfred, and Eliza. A few years earlier, John and William's sisters Eliza THRUTCHLEY nee MORRIS and Selina ROBINSON nee MORRIS along with their husbands and children had also settled in Brisbane.) Best regards from a very cold English East Midlands - in the teeth of a north easterly wind - perhaps the motivation for migration is not so difficult to understand ;-) Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Otto Sent: 22 February 2006 23:01 To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AQ-BRISBANE] naturalization? or return to Britain? Hi there, I can tell you from my personal experience as having arrived in Brisbane in 1959 from Scotland. Back then, sponsored migration existed and there were no requirements once you got here apart from if you wanted to return to where you came from within 2 years, you had to repay the cost of the migration, so mostly it was like a one way ticket here and then if you wanted to return after the 2 years, you had to do it at your own expense. Being in Australia was like being in some remote outer suburb of Great Britain back then, with the same rules and regulations etc however, things tightened up gradually over the years. When I was 21, I enrolled to vote therefore I was put on the electoral roll. I also could do anything that an Australian could do and I worked for the Government for a while. I could also join the armed forces and serve on a jury. I realised after some years that things were changing. If I found myself off the voting roll for some reason (maybe changing address and not informing), I couldn't be put back on unless I was an Aussie, so I became a real Aussie in 2003. There are still many of us who migrated, maybe as children and teens (now in their 50's and 60's) who are perhaps not naturalised but have gone through the same process as I did. So the answer to your question is that - yes they were probably on the Electoral lists because I think back then it was compulsory as it is today, and - no ...probably not naturalised. Have you tried the Government website for the National Archives. You could do a search there perhaps. Happy searching, Margaret Otto

Hi there, I can tell you from my personal experience as having arrived in Brisbane in 1959 from Scotland. Back then, sponsored migration existed and there were no requirements once you got here apart from if you wanted to return to where you came from within 2 years, you had to repay the cost of the migration, so mostly it was like a one way ticket here and then if you wanted to return after the 2 years, you had to do it at your own expense. Being in Australia was like being in some remote outer suburb of Great Britain back then, with the same rules and regulations etc however, things tightened up gradually over the years. When I was 21, I enrolled to vote therefore I was put on the electoral roll. I also could do anything that an Australian could do and I worked for the Government for a while. I could also join the armed forces and serve on a jury. I realised after some years that things were changing. If I found myself off the voting roll for some reason (maybe changing address and not informing), I couldn't be put back on unless I was an Aussie, so I became a real Aussie in 2003. There are still many of us who migrated, maybe as children and teens (now in their 50's and 60's) who are perhaps not naturalised but have gone through the same process as I did. So the answer to your question is that - yes they were probably on the Electoral lists because I think back then it was compulsory as it is today, and - no ...probably not naturalised. Have you tried the Government website for the National Archives. You could do a search there perhaps. http://naa.gov.au/ Happy searching, Margaret Otto ----- Original Message ----- From: Harvie and Liz Barker To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] naturalization? or return to Britain? Dear listers: I have a 2 questions about emigration to Australia from Britain in the years 1948-1950. What is the likelihood that someone who emigrated in 1948 would then become an Australian citizen? Did one have to become Naturalized to be on the Electoral lists? if one was a British subject? and where could I go to find [online?] or other records for Naturalization? If one came to Brisbane in 1948 having applied for emigration etc, and then might have returned to Britain, is there some way to find out?>..reverse emigration?... thanks for your wisdom, liz of BC Canada ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send message to: L List Aus-Qld-Brisbane-l-request@rootsweb.com or D List Aus-Qld-Brisbane-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________ NOD32 1.1413 (20060217) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

If you cannot find a burial in the Brisbane City Council database, then most likely the person was cremated. Brisbane has had a crematorium (Mt Thompson) since about 1934. Then I think the next one to open was Albany Creek in the 1970s, and since then, several others have opened. Mt Thompson now have a WWW presence (but no on-line data) but there is a form to contact them. http://www.mtthompsoncrem.com.au/ In the past, people phoning and writing to them seems to have had mixed success (I never got a reply to the one equiry I made, for what it's worth). The Genealogical Society have published printed indexes covering from about 1934 to 1954: http://www.gsq.org.au/services/cemetry.html which you may find copies of in family history society libraries etc. As far as I know, there are no indexes for after 1954. Albany Creek owned by the same company as Mt Thompson also have a WWW site: http://www.albanycreekcrem.com.au/driver.asp I am not aware of any indexes for Albany Creek crematorium. Finally, our cemetery headstone site includes small cemeteries and collumbarium walls in and around Brisbane. You might find a monumental inscription for your family there: http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/index.htm Kerry

sue thanks for your help i believe my g/uncle john & beatrice ellen wright owned the hotel somewhere between 1911 - 1924 as i have 7 property descriptions that john owned & he gives his address as duchess then in 1924 - 1925 he gave his as address as Balaclava section this is a property he owned near cloncurry for quite a while richie in overcast bowen

Try: http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899 Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hayley" <hales@e-wire.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [AQ-BRISBANE] Another One! Not found at Brisbane cemetery? > Hi Sharon. > > I know there is a cemetery in Brisbane that has online lookups....do u > think > I can remember it!!!!!!!!!!!!I am sure it is one of the main Cemeteries in > Brissy City or close to......Does anyone else know which one is online. I > found a few of my relatives there. It was in my favourites but due to a > computer crash lost the link. > > Other wise you may want to slowly browse what is online at this link. > http://www.coraweb.com.au/cemetaus.htm > > Scroll down and there is a list of Cemeteries in Qld - some which have > online data. Worth a try maybe. > > Cheers > Hayley > Ellenbrook > WA > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Sharon McBride > Date: 02/22/06 17:37:09 > To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] Another One! Not found at Brisbane cemetery? > > Hi All, > I too have had no luck finding a death on Brisbane Cemetery records & > wonder if anyone else may have ideas that may help. >

Thanks Anne (smile).......I had just found it about half hour ago......It has changed a little since the last time I looked. I think more cemeteries have been added and now lists the all people in the same gravesite. It is great. Makes me wonder how we can get this info online (even birth dates if enlisted in WW2 Roll) yet they will not extend BDM records!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers Hayley -------Original Message------- From: Perplexed Date: 02/22/06 21:55:56 To: Hayley; AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AQ-BRISBANE] Another One! Not found at Brisbane cemetery? - try this site Try: http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899 Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hayley" <hales@e-wire.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [AQ-BRISBANE] Another One! Not found at Brisbane cemetery? > Hi Sharon. > > I know there is a cemetery in Brisbane that has online lookups....do u > think > I can remember it!!!!!!!!!!!!I am sure it is one of the main Cemeteries in > Brissy City or close to......Does anyone else know which one is online. I > found a few of my relatives there. It was in my favourites but due to a > computer crash lost the link. > > Other wise you may want to slowly browse what is online at this link. > http://www.coraweb.com.au/cemetaus.htm > > Scroll down and there is a list of Cemeteries in Qld - some which have > online data. Worth a try maybe. > > Cheers > Hayley > Ellenbrook > WA > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Sharon McBride > Date: 02/22/06 17:37:09 > To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] Another One! Not found at Brisbane cemetery? > > Hi All, > I too have had no luck finding a death on Brisbane Cemetery records & > wonder if anyone else may have ideas that may help. >

Hi Sharon. I know there is a cemetery in Brisbane that has online lookups....do u think I can remember it!!!!!!!!!!!!I am sure it is one of the main Cemeteries in Brissy City or close to......Does anyone else know which one is online. I found a few of my relatives there. It was in my favourites but due to a computer crash lost the link. Other wise you may want to slowly browse what is online at this link. http://www.coraweb.com.au/cemetaus.htm Scroll down and there is a list of Cemeteries in Qld - some which have online data. Worth a try maybe. Cheers Hayley Ellenbrook WA -------Original Message------- From: Sharon McBride Date: 02/22/06 17:37:09 To: AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AQ-BRISBANE] Another One! Not found at Brisbane cemetery? Hi All, I too have had no luck finding a death on Brisbane Cemetery records & wonder if anyone else may have ideas that may help. Our BRAWN family goes way back in Stanwick, Northampton, England. I have been researching the family for years & just made contact with a relative who still lives there. Her grandfather's brother George (Henry) BRAWN came to Australia, enlisted in WW2 & died as a POW on the Burma Railway. She & her father are going this week on a tour to Thailand to visit his grave. Wonder if anyone might be able to find out when & where his wife died. George Henry Brawn came out alone & no other Brawn family members came with him, so no connection to the few other Brawns in Queensland. Here is the information she sent: >Henry went to Australia sometime between the wars. A year ago we obtained >his Army record and wedding certificate. > >He joined the Australian Army 1/7/40 and was married to 23 year old Eileen >Elizabeth Stone (born Brisbane) on 7/9/40. Bless them they didnt have >much time together, just a couple of weeks embarkation leave in Jan 1941 >before being shipped off to Singapore on 2nd Feb 1941. He was taken >prisoner 15/2/42, but was not declared missing until 6/4/42 and not >declared a POW till 13/12/43. Then he died from dysentery 30/5/44. > >My parents kept in touch with Eileen, she never remarried and they didnt >have children. Her letters stopped about 15 years ago and we had to >assume that she died. If you have any access to Australian BMD's we would >like to know when she died and would be grateful for any info, the last >address we had was - > >Mrs Eileen Elizabeth Brawn > >12 Osborne Court > >Loganholme > >Queensland > > >And we know she had a nephew, Donald Stone. Thanks, Sharon Sharon McBride Perth, Western Australia mailto:mcbridez@tpg.com.au Research Interests http://users.tpg.com.au/mcbridez/ ==== AUS-QLD-BRISBANE Mailing List ==== Scattered Ashes www.scatteredashes.net ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi All, I too have had no luck finding a death on Brisbane Cemetery records & wonder if anyone else may have ideas that may help. Our BRAWN family goes way back in Stanwick, Northampton, England. I have been researching the family for years & just made contact with a relative who still lives there. Her grandfather's brother George (Henry) BRAWN came to Australia, enlisted in WW2 & died as a POW on the Burma Railway. She & her father are going this week on a tour to Thailand to visit his grave. Wonder if anyone might be able to find out when & where his wife died. George Henry Brawn came out alone & no other Brawn family members came with him, so no connection to the few other Brawns in Queensland. Here is the information she sent: >Henry went to Australia sometime between the wars. A year ago we obtained >his Army record and wedding certificate. > >He joined the Australian Army 1/7/40 and was married to 23 year old Eileen >Elizabeth Stone (born Brisbane) on 7/9/40. Bless them they didnt have >much time together, just a couple of weeks embarkation leave in Jan 1941 >before being shipped off to Singapore on 2nd Feb 1941. He was taken >prisoner 15/2/42, but was not declared missing until 6/4/42 and not >declared a POW till 13/12/43. Then he died from dysentery 30/5/44. > >My parents kept in touch with Eileen, she never remarried and they didnt >have children. Her letters stopped about 15 years ago and we had to >assume that she died. If you have any access to Australian BMD's we would >like to know when she died and would be grateful for any info, the last >address we had was - > >Mrs Eileen Elizabeth Brawn > >12 Osborne Court > >Loganholme > >Queensland > > >And we know she had a nephew, Donald Stone. Thanks, Sharon Sharon McBride Perth, Western Australia mailto:mcbridez@tpg.com.au Research Interests http://users.tpg.com.au/mcbridez/