Hi Listeners I have just received the contents of a marriage certificate from Queensland BDM with the following information: *Wesleyan Marriages solemnized in the parish of Moreton Bay in the County of Stanley , New South Wales, in the years 1850+51. They both declared they were both members of the Wesleyan Methodist Church. John Phillips of Sydney and Martha Davis of Brisbane were married on the 13th December 1851 at Brisbane. Witnesses - James Sutherland & Mark Crabtree. Minister - John Waterford.* Can someone plese tell me why Morton Bay, County of Stanley was part of NSW. and what do the years 1850+51 represent. On Queensland BDM the marriage year is 1854, Thanks Chris Horgan

Not helpful for the question but could this be your Thomas Minter? http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1330847 Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Raymond [mailto:kraymond@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 8:33 AM To: 'aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Thomas Minter Not all shipping records survive, not all shipping records listed all the passengers name, some people worked their passenger as a seaman, he may have arrived originally in another state and appear in their records. Lots of possibilities, but at the end of day, some things just aren't there to be found. Note that his death certificate should say how long he was in the Colonies for, but you can get some pretty vague information there, depending on the knowledge of the informant. Things like "over 20 years", which typically don't help you narrow it done. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of chris.horgan Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 12:52 PM To: Brisbane Group Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Thomas Minter Hi Listeners We are racking our brains out on the arrival in Queensland of a Thomas Minter. He was born during 1848 at Dupford, St Nicholas Kent, His father was Henry Minter and Mother was Susan Barker. He was not on the English Census after the mid 1860's and would have arrived sometime between 1867 and 1872. In 1872 he was living at Caboulture and married Elizabet Jane Phillips at South Brisbane Cof E in the same year. I have used all my limited knowledge in trying to find his arrival year, other Minter family researchers have also hit a blank. Any help would be appreciated Chris Horgan Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not all shipping records survive, not all shipping records listed all the passengers name, some people worked their passenger as a seaman, he may have arrived originally in another state and appear in their records. Lots of possibilities, but at the end of day, some things just aren't there to be found. Note that his death certificate should say how long he was in the Colonies for, but you can get some pretty vague information there, depending on the knowledge of the informant. Things like "over 20 years", which typically don't help you narrow it done. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of chris.horgan Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 12:52 PM To: Brisbane Group Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Thomas Minter Hi Listeners We are racking our brains out on the arrival in Queensland of a Thomas Minter. He was born during 1848 at Dupford, St Nicholas Kent, His father was Henry Minter and Mother was Susan Barker. He was not on the English Census after the mid 1860's and would have arrived sometime between 1867 and 1872. In 1872 he was living at Caboulture and married Elizabet Jane Phillips at South Brisbane Cof E in the same year. I have used all my limited knowledge in trying to find his arrival year, other Minter family researchers have also hit a blank. Any help would be appreciated Chris Horgan Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listeners We are racking our brains out on the arrival in Queensland of a Thomas Minter. He was born during 1848 at Dupford, St Nicholas Kent, His father was Henry Minter and Mother was Susan Barker. He was not on the English Census after the mid 1860's and would have arrived sometime between 1867 and 1872. In 1872 he was living at Caboulture and married Elizabet Jane Phillips at South Brisbane Cof E in the same year. I have used all my limited knowledge in trying to find his arrival year, other Minter family researchers have also hit a blank. Any help would be appreciated Chris Horgan

CJ. Thanks for the help that you have given me anyway, It is greatly appreciated. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: <loracj@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton > Hi Marie, I did a search of the Courier Mail and did not come up with > anything. I will have another trawl later today for you. It is possible > that the family did not have a public notice anyway, this happens a lot > now, or they may have used a very brief memorial notice in a local paper. > Perhaps you may be able to get in touch with the person who informed you > of the passing. > Sori I have not been of more help.............rgds Cj > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2144 - Release Date: 05/30/09 17:53:00

Hi Marie, I did a search of the Courier Mail and did not come up with anything. I will have another trawl later today for you. It is possible that the family did not have a public notice anyway, this happens a lot now, or they may have used a very brief memorial notice in a local paper. Perhaps you may be able to get in touch with the person who informed you of the passing. Sori I have not been of more help.............rgds Cj

Hi Ian, I did look up the morning bulletin, but did not find anything so perhaps I shall email them. My husband got a telephone call from Brisbane, telling him about Reuben, sorry that you did not know. We here in Perth did not know that he was blind either. Guess communication has been lacking somewhere. Thanks for trying to help me. Regards Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <imkelly@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton > Hi Marie > > If you go to www.themorningbulletin.com.au that will get you to the > website > of the local Rockhampton newspaper. I tried selecting "notices" under > "classifieds" but there does not seem to be a funeral notice for Gohdes or > any notices for Rockhampton for that matter. Seem to be notices for other > places such as Toowoomba. The same company owns many other papers besides > the one in Rocky. Perhaps the funeral notice is not in the paper yet. > Maybe the Morning Bulletin do not put their funeral notices on the net. I > think I have tried to find such notices in the past but could not find > them. > > You could try emailing their classified notices section at > tmbclass@capnews.com.au and they may email you the notice. > > We used to live in Rocky and I worked for ten years with Reuben Gohdes at > the local gas company in the 1970s. I did not know he had passed away. > He > was blind for about the last ten years of his life, I think. > > Cheers > Ian Kelly > Sandstone Point Qld (near Bribie Island) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Dux" <mdux@globaldial.com> > To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:34 PM > Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton > > >> Hi there from the sunny west. Is there anyone that could help me >> regarding the death notice etc of a Mr. Rueben Gohdes who passed away >> this >> week on the 26th May, 2009. Unfortunately we do not get you papers over >> here and would like a copy (if possible) of the notice and funeral etc. >> Many thanks >> >> Marie >> >> >> >> >> >> Toowoomba Dead Persons Society >> www.audps.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00

Hi CJ, I do believe he passed away in Rockhampton other than that I am not too sure. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: <loracj@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton > Hi Marie, > Do you know where he died etc..............Cj Brisbane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Dux" <mdux@globaldial.com> > To: aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 29 May, 2009 11:34:19 PM GMT +10:00 Brisbane > Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton > > Hi there from the sunny west. Is there anyone that could help me > regarding the death notice etc of a Mr. Rueben Gohdes who passed away this > week on the 26th May, 2009. Unfortunately we do not get you papers over > here and would like a copy (if possible) of the notice and funeral etc. > Many thanks > > Marie > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00

Hi Marie If you go to www.themorningbulletin.com.au that will get you to the website of the local Rockhampton newspaper. I tried selecting "notices" under "classifieds" but there does not seem to be a funeral notice for Gohdes or any notices for Rockhampton for that matter. Seem to be notices for other places such as Toowoomba. The same company owns many other papers besides the one in Rocky. Perhaps the funeral notice is not in the paper yet. Maybe the Morning Bulletin do not put their funeral notices on the net. I think I have tried to find such notices in the past but could not find them. You could try emailing their classified notices section at tmbclass@capnews.com.au and they may email you the notice. We used to live in Rocky and I worked for ten years with Reuben Gohdes at the local gas company in the 1970s. I did not know he had passed away. He was blind for about the last ten years of his life, I think. Cheers Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Qld (near Bribie Island) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Dux" <mdux@globaldial.com> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton > Hi there from the sunny west. Is there anyone that could help me > regarding the death notice etc of a Mr. Rueben Gohdes who passed away this > week on the 26th May, 2009. Unfortunately we do not get you papers over > here and would like a copy (if possible) of the notice and funeral etc. > Many thanks > > Marie > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marie, Do you know where he died etc..............Cj Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Dux" <mdux@globaldial.com> To: aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 29 May, 2009 11:34:19 PM GMT +10:00 Brisbane Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Rockhampton Hi there from the sunny west. Is there anyone that could help me regarding the death notice etc of a Mr. Rueben Gohdes who passed away this week on the 26th May, 2009. Unfortunately we do not get you papers over here and would like a copy (if possible) of the notice and funeral etc. Many thanks Marie Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there from the sunny west. Is there anyone that could help me regarding the death notice etc of a Mr. Rueben Gohdes who passed away this week on the 26th May, 2009. Unfortunately we do not get you papers over here and would like a copy (if possible) of the notice and funeral etc. Many thanks Marie

Thank you Kerry. I have e-mailed the uniting church in Indooroopilly and will await their reply. Regards Chris Horgan Kerry Raymond wrote: > Sorry, I can't find him, but I can tell you the places he isn't listed in: > > Brisbane City Council burial register > Dern Queensland Index > Our headstone collection > > If they were living in Brisbane at the time of his death and he's not buried > in a Brisbane City Council cemetery, then he was almost certainly cremated > as pretty much any other cemetery in Brisbane is Catholic or C of E (there > aren't a lot of Methodist/Uniting cemeteries). > > Given the likely timeframe for his death, I would say he was most likely > cremated in Mt Thompson Crematorium with Albany Creek Crematorium as second > choice. Pretty much the only way to check this is to phone/write to them. > > The other possibility is that given his street address, he was almost > certainly associated with the current Indooroopilly Uniting Church (which I > think was formerly a Methodist church, as I think the Indooroopilly > Presbyterian Church was on the site of the present Indooroopilly Shopping > Centre), so they may know what became of him. > > Uniting Church Indooroopilly, 74 Station Road, Indooroopilly > Phone (07) 3878 9535 > Fax (07) 3878 9190 > Email ipillyuc@dovenetq.net.au > > > Kerry > > > > > >

Sorry, I can't find him, but I can tell you the places he isn't listed in: Brisbane City Council burial register Dern Queensland Index Our headstone collection If they were living in Brisbane at the time of his death and he's not buried in a Brisbane City Council cemetery, then he was almost certainly cremated as pretty much any other cemetery in Brisbane is Catholic or C of E (there aren't a lot of Methodist/Uniting cemeteries). Given the likely timeframe for his death, I would say he was most likely cremated in Mt Thompson Crematorium with Albany Creek Crematorium as second choice. Pretty much the only way to check this is to phone/write to them. The other possibility is that given his street address, he was almost certainly associated with the current Indooroopilly Uniting Church (which I think was formerly a Methodist church, as I think the Indooroopilly Presbyterian Church was on the site of the present Indooroopilly Shopping Centre), so they may know what became of him. Uniting Church Indooroopilly, 74 Station Road, Indooroopilly Phone (07) 3878 9535 Fax (07) 3878 9190 Email ipillyuc@dovenetq.net.au Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of chris.horgan Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 6:35 PM To: aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Thomas William Phillips Hi Listeners I hope someone out there can help me out. I am trying to find out the death date and grave site of William Thomas Phillips who was born on the 30th March 1892 in the Warwick area of Queensland His parents were Thomas Phillips and Celia Gomm of Freestone QLD. After WW1 where he served in the 5th Australian Light Horse in Egypt he continued in life as a Methodist Minister. Last I could trace of him was in 1954 wher he was Superintendent of the Methodist Church of Australasia, Queensland Conference located in Grosvenor Street, Indooroopilly. His wife was Amy Mildred. Any help would be appreciated, he was my mothers second generation cousin. Thank You Chris Horgan - NSW Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listeners I hope someone out there can help me out. I am trying to find out the death date and grave site of William Thomas Phillips who was born on the 30th March 1892 in the Warwick area of Queensland His parents were Thomas Phillips and Celia Gomm of Freestone QLD. After WW1 where he served in the 5th Australian Light Horse in Egypt he continued in life as a Methodist Minister. Last I could trace of him was in 1954 wher he was Superintendent of the Methodist Church of Australasia, Queensland Conference located in Grosvenor Street, Indooroopilly. His wife was Amy Mildred. Any help would be appreciated, he was my mothers second generation cousin. Thank You Chris Horgan - NSW

Kerry Many thanks for your research and advice. Best regards Chris On 21/05/2009 23:23, "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raymond@gmail.com> wrote: > There is a Cremation Act of 1913 in Queensland (I don't know of anything > earlier). So I presume no crematorium could have operated in Queensland > prior to that but there is still plenty of time to have established one by > the mid 1920s to fit your family story. Mt Thompson is the oldest operating > crematorium in Queensland (or so I believe) but maybe there was an earlier > one that closed. > > As to accepted practice, there is talk of the need for cremation in > Queensland appearing in Brisbane newspapers going back into the late 1800s, > so presumably over time there must have been increasing public acceptance of > cremation that preceded the legislation. Some religions (e.g. Catholics > weren't supporters of cremation I believe at the time) so this may have > slowed down the progress of legislation. Also when the Brisbane General > Cemetery at Toowong was established in around 1870s-80s, it was considered > by many to be too far out of town and that may have increased the pressure > to have a more centrally located crematorium in Brisbane. Having said that, > Mt Thompson is further from the centre of Brisbane than Toowong, but then we > are talking 40-50 years later when Mt Thompson was built and people's > transport options would have changed considerably over that time. > > Having said all that, there are still religious groups out there that aren't > fans of cremation and so one could not describe it as "universally accepted" > even today. Proportionally a lot more people in Australia are buried rather > than cremated, compared with the UK. But I am not sure if this reflects > different public acceptance of cremation or not. It may reflect the greater > availability of land and hence the cost differential between burial and > cremation may be lower in Australia (but that suggests Australians have some > tendency to prefer burial given that burial is always the more expensive > option). Also, in Australia, most small towns don't have a crematorium and > some are a long way away from a town with a crematorium (a less common > situation in the UK), so most people in those communities will be buried > locally. > > Kerry >

There is a Cremation Act of 1913 in Queensland (I don't know of anything earlier). So I presume no crematorium could have operated in Queensland prior to that but there is still plenty of time to have established one by the mid 1920s to fit your family story. Mt Thompson is the oldest operating crematorium in Queensland (or so I believe) but maybe there was an earlier one that closed. As to accepted practice, there is talk of the need for cremation in Queensland appearing in Brisbane newspapers going back into the late 1800s, so presumably over time there must have been increasing public acceptance of cremation that preceded the legislation. Some religions (e.g. Catholics weren't supporters of cremation I believe at the time) so this may have slowed down the progress of legislation. Also when the Brisbane General Cemetery at Toowong was established in around 1870s-80s, it was considered by many to be too far out of town and that may have increased the pressure to have a more centrally located crematorium in Brisbane. Having said that, Mt Thompson is further from the centre of Brisbane than Toowong, but then we are talking 40-50 years later when Mt Thompson was built and people's transport options would have changed considerably over that time. Having said all that, there are still religious groups out there that aren't fans of cremation and so one could not describe it as "universally accepted" even today. Proportionally a lot more people in Australia are buried rather than cremated, compared with the UK. But I am not sure if this reflects different public acceptance of cremation or not. It may reflect the greater availability of land and hence the cost differential between burial and cremation may be lower in Australia (but that suggests Australians have some tendency to prefer burial given that burial is always the more expensive option). Also, in Australia, most small towns don't have a crematorium and some are a long way away from a town with a crematorium (a less common situation in the UK), so most people in those communities will be buried locally. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Elmore Sent: Friday, 22 May 2009 7:01 AM To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au; Queensland Queensland Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Cremation in BRISBANE Kerry Thank you for your reply. Accepted practice was a poor choice of words. Here in the UK cremation was practically unheard of until a specific act of parliament in about 1902. My query was to establish if Australia was on a similar time line. I am looking in to a family legend regarding an unidentified aunt who, in the mid 1920's, allegedly visited the family in England from abroad carrying her husbands ashes. Currently, I am aware of only Queensland overseas relatives I had hoped to search a listing for family names. However, from your reply it sounds as if the 1920's was too early for the aunt to have been a Queenslander. Thank you again for your help. Best regards Chris On 20/05/2009 21:39, "Kerry Raymond" <kraymond@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Not sure exactly what you mean by "accepted practice" but as far as I know > the first crematorium in Brisbane was Mt Thompson which commenced operation > in 1934 (from memory). It was the only one until about the early 1970s when > Albany Creek Crematorium started. > > Just as cemeteries have to maintain a burial register, so too crematoriums > are required to keep records of cremations. But neither are held > "centrally". It is the death itself that is recorded by the > Registrar-General, although the details of burial/cremation should appear on > the death certificate. > > While Brisbane City Council operated most (although not all) cemeteries > within its boundaries, crematoriums were generally privately operated. It is > only quite recently (this last decade?) that the council has established its > own crematoriums. > > Many of the private operators of crematoriums haven't been very cooperative > with the family history community in making their registers accessible for > indexing. There are indexes for the first 20-30 years of cremations at Mt > Thompson but they are not online but family history societies may hold them > as do some individuals on mailing lists. > > As the ashes from some cremations are buried in graves in cemeteries > (usually with buried family members), you do find some evidence of > cremations in burial registers (as the interment of ashes has to be recorded > in the burial register). Generally if the date of burial in the Brisbane > City Council database is some time after the known date of death, consider > the possibility of a burial of ashes. > > For family history, the problem with cremation in Brisbane is twofold -- the > lack of indexes and the fact that many families simply take the ashes home > in an urn or scatter them, leaving no plaque for us to find. Burials tend to > be easier to track down through burial registers and monumental > inscriptions. > > Kerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Elmore > Sent: Thursday, 21 May 2009 2:15 AM > To: Queensland Queensland > Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Cremation in BRISBANE > > Hi Listers > Does anyone know when cremation became accepted practice in Queensland and > whether there are central records kept of such cremations. > As ever your advice would be very much appreciated. > Best regards > Chris > England > Researching MORRIS of Boulton Derby and of Aspley Nottingham and Brisbane > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kerry Thank you for your reply. Accepted practice was a poor choice of words. Here in the UK cremation was practically unheard of until a specific act of parliament in about 1902. My query was to establish if Australia was on a similar time line. I am looking in to a family legend regarding an unidentified aunt who, in the mid 1920's, allegedly visited the family in England from abroad carrying her husbands ashes. Currently, I am aware of only Queensland overseas relatives I had hoped to search a listing for family names. However, from your reply it sounds as if the 1920's was too early for the aunt to have been a Queenslander. Thank you again for your help. Best regards Chris On 20/05/2009 21:39, "Kerry Raymond" <kraymond@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Not sure exactly what you mean by "accepted practice" but as far as I know > the first crematorium in Brisbane was Mt Thompson which commenced operation > in 1934 (from memory). It was the only one until about the early 1970s when > Albany Creek Crematorium started. > > Just as cemeteries have to maintain a burial register, so too crematoriums > are required to keep records of cremations. But neither are held > "centrally". It is the death itself that is recorded by the > Registrar-General, although the details of burial/cremation should appear on > the death certificate. > > While Brisbane City Council operated most (although not all) cemeteries > within its boundaries, crematoriums were generally privately operated. It is > only quite recently (this last decade?) that the council has established its > own crematoriums. > > Many of the private operators of crematoriums haven't been very cooperative > with the family history community in making their registers accessible for > indexing. There are indexes for the first 20-30 years of cremations at Mt > Thompson but they are not online but family history societies may hold them > as do some individuals on mailing lists. > > As the ashes from some cremations are buried in graves in cemeteries > (usually with buried family members), you do find some evidence of > cremations in burial registers (as the interment of ashes has to be recorded > in the burial register). Generally if the date of burial in the Brisbane > City Council database is some time after the known date of death, consider > the possibility of a burial of ashes. > > For family history, the problem with cremation in Brisbane is twofold -- the > lack of indexes and the fact that many families simply take the ashes home > in an urn or scatter them, leaving no plaque for us to find. Burials tend to > be easier to track down through burial registers and monumental > inscriptions. > > Kerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Elmore > Sent: Thursday, 21 May 2009 2:15 AM > To: Queensland Queensland > Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Cremation in BRISBANE > > Hi Listers > Does anyone know when cremation became accepted practice in Queensland and > whether there are central records kept of such cremations. > As ever your advice would be very much appreciated. > Best regards > Chris > England > Researching MORRIS of Boulton Derby and of Aspley Nottingham and Brisbane > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure exactly what you mean by "accepted practice" but as far as I know the first crematorium in Brisbane was Mt Thompson which commenced operation in 1934 (from memory). It was the only one until about the early 1970s when Albany Creek Crematorium started. Just as cemeteries have to maintain a burial register, so too crematoriums are required to keep records of cremations. But neither are held "centrally". It is the death itself that is recorded by the Registrar-General, although the details of burial/cremation should appear on the death certificate. While Brisbane City Council operated most (although not all) cemeteries within its boundaries, crematoriums were generally privately operated. It is only quite recently (this last decade?) that the council has established its own crematoriums. Many of the private operators of crematoriums haven't been very cooperative with the family history community in making their registers accessible for indexing. There are indexes for the first 20-30 years of cremations at Mt Thompson but they are not online but family history societies may hold them as do some individuals on mailing lists. As the ashes from some cremations are buried in graves in cemeteries (usually with buried family members), you do find some evidence of cremations in burial registers (as the interment of ashes has to be recorded in the burial register). Generally if the date of burial in the Brisbane City Council database is some time after the known date of death, consider the possibility of a burial of ashes. For family history, the problem with cremation in Brisbane is twofold -- the lack of indexes and the fact that many families simply take the ashes home in an urn or scatter them, leaving no plaque for us to find. Burials tend to be easier to track down through burial registers and monumental inscriptions. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Elmore Sent: Thursday, 21 May 2009 2:15 AM To: Queensland Queensland Subject: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Cremation in BRISBANE Hi Listers Does anyone know when cremation became accepted practice in Queensland and whether there are central records kept of such cremations. As ever your advice would be very much appreciated. Best regards Chris England Researching MORRIS of Boulton Derby and of Aspley Nottingham and Brisbane Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Does anyone know when cremation became accepted practice in Queensland and whether there are central records kept of such cremations. As ever your advice would be very much appreciated. Best regards Chris England Researching MORRIS of Boulton Derby and of Aspley Nottingham and Brisbane

Hi, I am trying to locate the birth and death of an Iris Olive Smith Born about 1925/26. I am not sure when she died or where she is buried but the family came from Rockhampton. The family consisted of Herodias (mother)not sure of her husband as I believe he died in 1931. The children of the marriage were, John, Charlotte, Alfred, Lorna and Melva. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Marie Dux (Perth WA)