>From the 1934 CD-ROM for Qld ... > Adeline Violet CALFORD b. 1893, married 1922, Gottfried Samuel FELSCHOW > in Queensland,who settled in the Wide Bay Area. In 1934 she was living in Samsonvale (no more precise address was given) which is just to the north of Brisbane really (although the electorate is called Wide Bay). > Lilian Alberta CALFORD b.1896, married 1927, Ewart Llewellyn EDMUNDS in > Queensland, who settled in Northern NSW. In 1934, Ewart (shopkeeper) was living at 85 Pear St, Dundellan with his parents-in-law John (baker) & Eliza (home duties) Calford. No sign of Lilian, but presumably at the same address. So not in NSW at that time. There may be electoral rolls for later years available through Ancestry, but you need a subscription (which I don't have) or access through a library that has a subscription (which you may have). Kerry

G'Day Tony, Thank you for visiting 85 Pear St. Please advise what research you would like done in Sydney, direct. Regards, Allan

Hello Allan, I have just visited 85 Pear Street. I spoke to the resident to seek consent for a photo, and she informed me that the original house on the site was demolished and the current house was moved on the site in the recent past (10 years ?), so while the house looked the right vintage, it came from an adjoining suburb. Perhaps you could write to the owners and see if they have any photos of the original house - they seem friendly people. regards Tony PS - re your offer of Sydney research; if you ever get to the National Archives in Sydney, you could do a look-up for me ?. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan J Roderick" <allanrod@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Pear St. BRISBANE 1941 > Thanks Tony that would be great.(perhaps a photo if possible). > > Also thank you for looking up John & Eliza CALFORD resting place. > Jenny was also so kind to send the same details. > > If either of you require any research done in Sydney, please do not > hesitate in contacting myself. > > Regards from a Wet Sydney > > Allan, > (near the home of "The EELS") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: > 30/05/2008 2:53 PM > >

Thanks Tony that would be great.(perhaps a photo if possible). Also thank you for looking up John & Eliza CALFORD resting place. Jenny was also so kind to send the same details. If either of you require any research done in Sydney, please do not hesitate in contacting myself. Regards from a Wet Sydney Allan, (near the home of "The EELS")

Kerry much appreciated, Could also advise if possible the last address of her sisters in their married names Adeline Violet CALFORD b. 1893, married 1922, Gottfried Samuel FELSCHOW in Queensland,who settled in the Wide Bay Area. Lilian Alberta CALFORD b.1896, married 1927, Ewart Llewellyn EDMUNDS in Queensland, who settled in Northern NSW. Thank you, Allan

> Her parents were John & Eliza (nee HOOD)CALFORD were married 1893 in > Queensland. John & Eliza are buried in Toowong cemetery. See here for the full details: http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD:375959662:pc=PC_899 No sign of daughter Eileen Rotha being buried in a Brisbane City Council cemetery, however. Kerry

I couldn't find Eileen Calford, but in 1935 Eliza Calford (presumably her mother) is listed in the electoral roll as living at Pear St, Dunellan in the Coorparoo subdivision of the Moreton electorate. The Dunellan Estate is part of Greenslopes today, so that would seem to pin it down to the Pear St in Greenslopes. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan J Roderick" <allanrod@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Pear St. BRISBANE 1941 > G'Day Kerry & Listers, > > Thank you for kind offer to check the Electoral Rolls > > Eileen Rothea CALFORD b.1898 gave her address as 85 Pears St. > Brisbane,(her nephew John Glanffwdd Thomas MORGAN named her as NOK on > his enlistment documents). > Are we able to ascertain if she married or when she died. > > Her parents were John & Eliza (nee HOOD)CALFORD were married 1893 in > Queensland. > > Her sisters > Adeline Violet CALFORD b. 1893, married 1922, Gottfried Samuel FELSCHOW > in Queensland, > > Lilian Alberta CALFORD b.1896, married 1927, Ewart Llewellyn EDMUNDS in > Queensland. > > If it is OK could you please advise the address of the last Census of > the above people. > > Your help is much appreciated, > > Regards, > > Allan RODERICK, > Baulkham Hills NSW. > > > > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Allan, I will take a wander this week and see the house at 85 Pear St Greenslopes. I did find a BCC burial for John CALFORD - 14/4/1937 - AGED 71 and Eliza CALFORD - 13/6/1938 AGED 81. regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan J Roderick" <allanrod@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Pear St. BRISBANE 1941 > G'Day Kerry & Listers, > > Thank you for kind offer to check the Electoral Rolls > > Eileen Rothea CALFORD b.1898 gave her address as 85 Pears St. > Brisbane,(her nephew John Glanffwdd Thomas MORGAN named her as NOK on > his enlistment documents). > Are we able to ascertain if she married or when she died. > > Her parents were John & Eliza (nee HOOD)CALFORD were married 1893 in > Queensland. > > Her sisters > Adeline Violet CALFORD b. 1893, married 1922, Gottfried Samuel FELSCHOW > in Queensland, > > Lilian Alberta CALFORD b.1896, married 1927, Ewart Llewellyn EDMUNDS in > Queensland. > > If it is OK could you please advise the address of the last Census of > the above people. > > Your help is much appreciated, > > Regards, > > Allan RODERICK, > Baulkham Hills NSW. > > > > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: > 30/05/2008 2:53 PM > >

G'Day Kerry & Listers, Thank you for kind offer to check the Electoral Rolls Eileen Rothea CALFORD b.1898 gave her address as 85 Pears St. Brisbane,(her nephew John Glanffwdd Thomas MORGAN named her as NOK on his enlistment documents). Are we able to ascertain if she married or when she died. Her parents were John & Eliza (nee HOOD)CALFORD were married 1893 in Queensland. Her sisters Adeline Violet CALFORD b. 1893, married 1922, Gottfried Samuel FELSCHOW in Queensland, Lilian Alberta CALFORD b.1896, married 1927, Ewart Llewellyn EDMUNDS in Queensland. If it is OK could you please advise the address of the last Census of the above people. Your help is much appreciated, Regards, Allan RODERICK, Baulkham Hills NSW.

I am looking for Elizabeth Hickey who had a message on the Felmingham message board through genforum site. Her email address on the site bounced. I am descended from Benjamin Felmingham & Emma Jane Welch through their daughter Emma Jane Felmingham born in Canada. She married James Kinnear in Toowoomba, Qld, Australia. Pam in Brisbane

Hi Everyone, Does anyone have research on the marriage of Walter Harry WRIGHT and Mary Ann JOHNSON somewhere in country Queensland in 1897. I have found their six children and their death records, but need to confirm Mary Ann's parentage before ordering certificates. Thanking you all in anticipation, Tony

Hi Listers this may be a long shot I am trying to fit in missing links with a few lines re my Murphy family I have a Norman david Joseph Duncan [m] Eileen Alice Kelly circa 2-12-1922 Eileen died ? 18--2-1943 has any one clues re this line at all Cheers Terry Murphy

Thanks Carol -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 8:36 AM To: aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] NEW GUINEA ESTATE - 27MAY 2008 Hi Doug, The State Library of Qld in their John Oxley section have photos of many of the old estate subdivision advertisements which include copies of the original subdivision maps. Their photo boxes are indexed under areas so I presume New Guinea Estate would be in the Toowong box. I have copies of the Auchenflower subdivisions as far as the Toowong cemetery which include the first part of Birdwood Terrace but not the part that borders the cemetery itself. These used to be accessible only by personal visits to the library but I believe it is now possible to see them on the net. See the quote below from the State Library website. http://pictureqld.slq.qld.gov.au/home The photographs in Picture Queensland depict various aspects of Queensland life, the settlement of early pioneers; the prominent people who have shaped our history; the homes and buildings constructed to the fashions we wore through the years. A collection, previously restricted to "walk in" clients, is now available to anyone who can access the internet. Images of other visual resources such as labels, postcards, original artworks and maps are also available in Picture Queensland. The library also has a good collection of old maps in their Mapping Section. Some of the old parish maps have the names of the original purchasers of the land noted on them. Sunmap Queensland, the Government mapping service at Woolloongabba also have a great collection of old maps but I think it is personal visits only, no internet access. Hope this may be of some help, Carol Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Doug, The State Library of Qld in their John Oxley section have photos of many of the old estate subdivision advertisements which include copies of the original subdivision maps. Their photo boxes are indexed under areas so I presume New Guinea Estate would be in the Toowong box. I have copies of the Auchenflower subdivisions as far as the Toowong cemetery which include the first part of Birdwood Terrace but not the part that borders the cemetery itself. These used to be accessible only by personal visits to the library but I believe it is now possible to see them on the net. See the quote below from the State Library website. http://pictureqld.slq.qld.gov.au/home The photographs in Picture Queensland depict various aspects of Queensland life, the settlement of early pioneers; the prominent people who have shaped our history; the homes and buildings constructed to the fashions we wore through the years. A collection, previously restricted to "walk in" clients, is now available to anyone who can access the internet. Images of other visual resources such as labels, postcards, original artworks and maps are also available in Picture Queensland. The library also has a good collection of old maps in their Mapping Section. Some of the old parish maps have the names of the original purchasers of the land noted on them. Sunmap Queensland, the Government mapping service at Woolloongabba also have a great collection of old maps but I think it is personal visits only, no internet access. Hope this may be of some help, Carol

Hi Kerry I use to live at 48 Richer St Toowong. It was sometimes called Richter Street. When I was a boy growing up in the bush around Mt Coot-tha, the old residents and shopkeepers would always refer to the area as 'The Guinea'. Comments like, "You're Ernie Hinton's boy from the Guinea!" was the usual greeting. Sometime after 1889 and definitely after 1910, the area became known as Toowong. As you say, it was a local name perhaps used by some developer. If you have a look at the roads, some are half finished eg Horrocks St was suppose to either join up with the original Mt Coot-tha Road or the bottom end of Richer Street. It was never completed. The same for the other end of Horrocks Street. The original Mt Coot-tha Road was windy as it followed the original surveyed track. Thanks for the offer to photograph. I have plenty of pics but have not been able to find anything on how 'The Guinea' came about. The National Library has a number of images of real estate maps but none of this area. I've yet to complete browsing through the old newspapers for the 1870-1890 period - a very slow process and time consuming. Cheers Doug -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-brisbane-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 7:50 AM To: aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] NEW GUINEA ESTATE - 27MAY 2008 > Some of my family were born in the New Guinea Estate. The area is now > known > as Toowong. My understanding is the estate was bounded by Mt Coot-tha > Road, > Walter Street, Birdwood Terrace, and Richer Street. I would like to hear > from anyone who may have any information including maps of how this estate > evolved and who were the buyers of the blocks of land within the estate. I am not sure if any of this will help you. Generally there isn't a lot of importance to estate names. When a property developer subdivides a large chunk of land for residential housing, they come up with some name that they think attractive for advertising purposes. It doesn't have any bearing on what the official suburb name is, although some estate names do get used by locals, but are generally not known by the wider community. I have lived in a neighbouring suburb (Chapel Hill) for over 20 years and never heard the term New Guinea Estate used. People do use the term "Birdwood Terrace area" as a way of describing the western part of Toowong (as most people think of Toowong in terms of where the large shopping centre is which is much further east) but that term would encompass a much larger part of Toowong than just the New Guinea Estate. The land is question isn't all that large, just a few streets of low-density housing (many are probably original homes). It's a little pocket of land surrounded by Toowong Cemetery (then Brisbane General Cemetery), Anzac Park and then a bit of bushland on a steep-ish hillside (you are in the foothills to Mt Coot-tha). About the only difference today from the past would be the straightening of Mt Coot-tha Road, as you will see on this contemporary map (URL below) where the Old Mt Coot-tha Road is shown. In my UBD from 1955 (the recently reprinted one), it shows Walter St as running more or less north-south, joining into Mt Coot-tha Road as a T-junction. Today Walter St has an extra kink towards the east to join Ada Street. So I presume that little extra kink that is now called Walter St was once called Mt Coot-tha Road. But it would seem that the roads of earlier times are all still in the same place, just slightly renamed so the new Mt Coot-tha Rd could retain the use of that name. So I think all the blocks of land in the New Guinea estate are probably all still there, although maybe some re-numbering might have occurred when that chunk of Mt Coot-tha Road became Walter St. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=-27.472629,152.976787&spn=0.0 04284,0.007253&z=17 If you have a specific street address, I can go and photograph whatever's there. It's only a few minutes drive from home. There is a fairly active local history group for West Toowong, which has an interesting WWW site and maybe an email to them might be fruitful: http://www.toowongwest.org.au/ Kerry Toowoomba Dead Persons Society www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Can anyone help me find a Pear St. Brisbane in 1941. > Thanking you in advance. Well, in 1956, there were 2 Pear Streets, one in Bald Hills and one in Runcorn, but these are very outer suburbs, and I doubt that they would be described as merely "Brisbane" without a reference to a suburb. There was a Pearr St (two "r"s) in Greenslopes (as another person has mentioned). This is a much more inner southside suburb. There was a Pears St in Auchenflower, an inner west suburb. There was a Peary St in Northgate, over in the North-East. Not exactly inner, but not really outer either (say, middle suburb). If you can give the name of the people believed to be living there, a search of the electoral rolls may reveal which of these possibilities is more likely. But I think that the Greenslopes and Auchenflower suburbs are the only one likely to be described as "Brisbane" without reference to a suburb name. I'd say that Auchenflower would be the most inner of the two. Also the amalgamation of local councils in the present Brisbane had only occurred in about 1930, so I think in 1941 people would still tend to use the older town name of "South Brisbane" rather than "Brisbane" to describe the inner southern suburbs. Kerry

> Some of my family were born in the New Guinea Estate. The area is now > known > as Toowong. My understanding is the estate was bounded by Mt Coot-tha > Road, > Walter Street, Birdwood Terrace, and Richer Street. I would like to hear > from anyone who may have any information including maps of how this estate > evolved and who were the buyers of the blocks of land within the estate. I am not sure if any of this will help you. Generally there isn't a lot of importance to estate names. When a property developer subdivides a large chunk of land for residential housing, they come up with some name that they think attractive for advertising purposes. It doesn't have any bearing on what the official suburb name is, although some estate names do get used by locals, but are generally not known by the wider community. I have lived in a neighbouring suburb (Chapel Hill) for over 20 years and never heard the term New Guinea Estate used. People do use the term "Birdwood Terrace area" as a way of describing the western part of Toowong (as most people think of Toowong in terms of where the large shopping centre is which is much further east) but that term would encompass a much larger part of Toowong than just the New Guinea Estate. The land is question isn't all that large, just a few streets of low-density housing (many are probably original homes). It's a little pocket of land surrounded by Toowong Cemetery (then Brisbane General Cemetery), Anzac Park and then a bit of bushland on a steep-ish hillside (you are in the foothills to Mt Coot-tha). About the only difference today from the past would be the straightening of Mt Coot-tha Road, as you will see on this contemporary map (URL below) where the Old Mt Coot-tha Road is shown. In my UBD from 1955 (the recently reprinted one), it shows Walter St as running more or less north-south, joining into Mt Coot-tha Road as a T-junction. Today Walter St has an extra kink towards the east to join Ada Street. So I presume that little extra kink that is now called Walter St was once called Mt Coot-tha Road. But it would seem that the roads of earlier times are all still in the same place, just slightly renamed so the new Mt Coot-tha Rd could retain the use of that name. So I think all the blocks of land in the New Guinea estate are probably all still there, although maybe some re-numbering might have occurred when that chunk of Mt Coot-tha Road became Walter St. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=-27.472629,152.976787&spn=0.004284,0.007253&z=17 If you have a specific street address, I can go and photograph whatever's there. It's only a few minutes drive from home. There is a fairly active local history group for West Toowong, which has an interesting WWW site and maybe an email to them might be fruitful: http://www.toowongwest.org.au/ Kerry

Hi All Some of my family were born in the New Guinea Estate. The area is now known as Toowong. My understanding is the estate was bounded by Mt Coot-tha Road, Walter Street, Birdwood Terrace, and Richer Street. I would like to hear from anyone who may have any information including maps of how this estate evolved and who were the buyers of the blocks of land within the estate. My great Aunt Ellen TINNISWOOD (nee COLLAMORE)'s birth was registered as the New Guinea Estate, Toowong in 1889. I suspect that Ellen's father (my g g grandfather) Thomas COLLAMORE purchased land in the estate. Any information would be appreciated before I go running off to the Lands and Titles Office, Brisbane. Cheers Doug Hinton Canberra gregh2@iinet.net.au

There is a Pear Street, GREENSLOPES - about 6km south of CBD. My understanding is the area was subdivided in the early 1900's, so it would have been there in 1941. Just across parkland from my home, if I can assist further. regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan J Roderick" <allanrod@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld-brisbane@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD-BRISBANE] Herbert St Spring Hill > G'Day Listers, > > Can anyone help me find a Pear St. Brisbane in 1941. > Thanking you in advance. > > Regards, > > Allan > Baulkham Hills NSW > > > > > > > > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-BRISBANE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: > 26/05/2008 3:23 PM > >

G'Day Listers, Can anyone help me find a Pear St. Brisbane in 1941. Thanking you in advance. Regards, Allan Baulkham Hills NSW