Hi Wynnette,, More valuable info for future reference. Using your technique and perseverance I'm sure to find more eventually. Thanks again for taking the time to explain. Marcelle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-QLD Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Estelle Daniels) 2. Re: GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford (Graeme & Wynnette Ford) 3. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Lorrae J) 4. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Ian & Margaret Kelly) 5. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Estelle Daniels) 6. More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier (MargM) 7. Re: More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier (Estelle Daniels) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:55:36 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of some use. Estelle > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:48:26 +1100 > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Hi Marg, > > I note that James Stewart & Co was a department store. I could be wrong but > I would think that the "eldest son" might not have travelled rough, as my > "two brothers" did throughout north Queensland. > > As Bev as pointed out, stage coaches did the trip, but there was also a lot > of coastal shipping and if passengers were prepared to work on board, or > sleep rough, fares could be come by very cheaply. > > One of my "brothers", at least by 1907, had a carrying business of sorts > (one dray) at Townsville and I know that he took passengers. I imagine this > may have been a fairly common method of transport for a lone male. > > I've picked up a couple of drovers listed as NSW train passengers on TROVE > around that period (presumably returning after having delivered the stock to > their destination). I think it was rather cute that train passengers' names > were published. Not sure if this also occurred in Queensland, but worth a > shot. > > Regards > Barbara > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:50:30 +1000 From: "Graeme & Wynnette Ford" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Marcelle, I always put my search name into the "The Phrase" line. I find it seems to bring up more results. I also try the surname with initials only added or if the name is Thomas etc, use abbreviations such as Ths. In your case, with such an unusual surname, I just used it by itself. You will have to try many spellings, not just from name spelling changes, but in case of typographical errors. I would recommend that you explore the family arriving in QLD, and then see if it is the same one that turns up in SA. I'd also try trove in the SA newspapers in case they stayed there and Hans moved on when he got older. Hmm, I just had a quick look, can't see much but the family name persists up until the 1950's. Cheers, Wynnette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mvs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford > Thanks you so much Wynnette. > > I was on Trove last night and came up with practically nothing! > Must be my 'key technique' LOL > > You've sent me so much to go on with so I'm off to look where the URL > takes > me. > > Thanks gain, Marcelle > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4760 - Release Date: 01/22/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4762 - Release Date: 01/23/12 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:04:37 +1000 From: "Lorrae J" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Marg The railway was certainly in Toowoomba in the 1890's My step-great grandfather (mouthfull) - his father worked the railway, and he was in Toowoomba in 1879 for sure - senior Engine driver. It went west from Ipswich in the 1860's and was a major method of travel. Rail to Brisbane, then boat up the coast or buggy My ancestors arrived in Brisbane about 1905, and they went overland to Gympie, but they later went by boat to Mackay (by 1910) Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://www.lorrae.net/ -----Original Message----- From: MargM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 3:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from Toowoomba to Rockhampton in 1892 ?? Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 ( unless I didn't press the right buttons ? ) I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton trip by sea in 1895 But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton , 31 Dec 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the greatest of highways back in 1966 Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other end had to give way. Many thanks Bye MargM Qld List Admin __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6822 (20120124) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:31 +1000 From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Marg The rail line to Brisbane from Rockhampton was not completed until 1903. As Estelle mentioned most people arrived before this time into Rockhampton by coastal steamer as it was the quickest way. There were too many large rivers to cross for coaches to come up the coast way. It was possible to travel west from Brisbane or Toowoomba and get to Rockhampton by the inland route but it was extremely slow. The rail line from Toowoomba to Charleville was open in 1888. The rail line from Rockhampton reached Barcaldine in 1886. Therefore your relative could have travelled by rail to Charleville and then by Cobb & Co from Charleville, Augathella, Tambo, Blackall to the Central Rail line at Jericho and then rail to Rockhampton but it would take days. Many western people travelled a somewhat similar route from Winton area to Brisbane in the early 1900's. Our reference is "Cobb & Co - Coaching in Queensland" by Deborah Tranter. I would suggest that the easiest and quickest method of arriving in Rockhampton would definitely be by ship. In the early 1930's, my Mother said that she travelled to Sydney by coastal ship from Townsville so this method of travelling was very common for many years. By the way, the Bruce Highway was named in 1930's but could not find when this road was completed. cheers Margaret Sandstone Point ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelle Daniels" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in > Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I > remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so > the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal > steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside > Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe > some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that > were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the > Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from > Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% > certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find > many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and > Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the > cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! > of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes > of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or > departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on > the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could > travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; > Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of > Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and > Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The > construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches > simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head > happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed > passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of > some use. Estelle ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:42:06 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Margaret,I agree that it was possible to go inland from Toowoomba to Rocky, basically following in the footsteps of explorers like Leichhardt, as much of the road does today. Most of the squatters and selectors in the Central Region, even prior to Qld statehood took this route if they had to bring stock and property. If there were women and young children that couldnt make that long arduous journey - often months on the road, depending on the weather - they would take the journey by coastal steamer and join the remainder of the group, depending on the time frame of course. From the research that I have done, it was probably the shortest route, but you didnt make that overland trip if you didnt have to. Rockhampton was the hub of Central Qld and all communications seemed to lead to there - and then to wherever you wanted to go. Qld is still a very decentralised state as far as road and rail go.Estelle> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:31 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Hello Marg > > The rail line to Brisbane from Rockhampton was not completed until 1903. As > Estelle mentioned most people arrived before this time into Rockhampton by > coastal steamer as it was the quickest way. There were too many large rivers > to cross for coaches to come up the coast way. > > It was possible to travel west from Brisbane or Toowoomba and get to > Rockhampton by the inland route but it was extremely slow. The rail line > from Toowoomba to Charleville was open in 1888. The rail line from > Rockhampton reached Barcaldine in 1886. Therefore your relative could have > travelled by rail to Charleville and then by Cobb & Co from Charleville, > Augathella, Tambo, Blackall to the Central Rail line at Jericho and then > rail to Rockhampton but it would take days. Many western people travelled a > somewhat similar route from Winton area to Brisbane in the early 1900's. > > Our reference is "Cobb & Co - Coaching in Queensland" by Deborah Tranter. > > I would suggest that the easiest and quickest method of arriving in > Rockhampton would definitely be by ship. > > In the early 1930's, my Mother said that she travelled to Sydney by coastal > ship from Townsville so this method of travelling was very common for many > years. > > By the way, the Bruce Highway was named in 1930's but could not find when > this road was completed. > > cheers > Margaret > Sandstone Point > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelle Daniels" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > > > > > Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in > > Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I > > remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so > > the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal > > steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside > > Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe > > some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that > > were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the > > Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from > > Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% > > certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find > > many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and > > Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the > > cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! > > of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes > > of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or > > departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on > > the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could > > travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; > > Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of > > Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and > > Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The > > construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches > > simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head > > happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed > > passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of > > some use. Estelle > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:43:57 +1100 From: "MargM" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks for all the replies ........ Have certainly learnt a few things and this morning Google found the Archer Park Rail Museum One of the 3 family members on the 1895 ships voyage from Brisbane to Rockhampton was Edwin D'Oyly APLIN , who worked as a manager for the Bank of NSW at various Qld branches between 1881 - 1900 I got copy of his employment record some years ago He certainly got around : May 1882 he was sent to Winton June 1884 to Blackall,Aug 1884 in Rockhampton en route to Bundaberg, Feb 1885 Maryborough, Mar 1885, Roma, May 1885 Toowoomba. Then he went between Warwick and Stanthorpe a few times. Then Nov 1888 was sent up to Port Douglas for a few months then Normanton for over 2 years . That over 700 kms by road in 2012 .......... Maybe he travelled by sea via Cape York ? Up to Aug 1893 he was in Townsville, Cairns, Charters Towers. Cairns again and Charters Towers . Then some 5 years in Winton were he married and had 3 children This is a typical example of a few answers found that generate a heap of new questions ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:16:17 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Marg - going by sea to Normanton would have certainly been on the cards. I had relatives who went to Cloncurry around the same time, and they apparently went via Normanton by boat and then moved a building to Cloncurry in the process. As far as your fellow goes - I would say the coastal towns would have been accessed by boat; the inland ones by rail as far as he could go - and then he would have met a coach at the rail head and travelled on. Estelle> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:43:57 +1100 > Subject: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier > > Thanks for all the replies ........ Have certainly learnt a few > things and this morning Google found the Archer Park Rail > Museum > > One of the 3 family members on the 1895 ships voyage from > Brisbane to Rockhampton was Edwin D'Oyly APLIN , > who worked as a manager for the Bank of NSW at various Qld > branches between 1881 - 1900 > > I got copy of his employment record some years ago He certainly > got around : May 1882 he was sent to Winton > June 1884 to Blackall,Aug 1884 in Rockhampton en route to > Bundaberg, Feb 1885 Maryborough, Mar 1885, Roma, > May 1885 Toowoomba. Then he went between Warwick and Stanthorpe a > few times. Then Nov 1888 was sent up to > Port Douglas for a few months then Normanton for over 2 years . > > That over 700 kms by road in 2012 .......... Maybe he travelled > by sea via Cape York ? > > Up to Aug 1893 he was in Townsville, Cairns, Charters Towers. > Cairns again and Charters Towers . > Then some 5 years in Winton were he married and had 3 children > > > This is a typical example of a few answers found that generate a > heap > of new questions ! > > > Bye > > MargM > Qld List Admin > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... 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