Colin, Chris & Lorrae I know it is late but Happy Easter to everyone...... Yes I agree with you Colin if people want to keep their family history to them selves they don't post it on the net. What's on the net- is there for you to use. If we didn't have information like this we would be spending a lot of money to get information. Putting it on the net helps families ........if you should find some info you can always let people know you have certain information for them or where they could find it. Helping someone never hurts anyone. from Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Colin Larter Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 12:52 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ancestry's public trees Chris and Lorrae and all on the list Happy Easter. I have been watching this conversation going around in circles for some time and feel some have been a little harsh on others. We were all beginners once and had to start some where. We must not forget that most of us started later in life when most ancestors had passed and taken their information with them. So we grasped to what ever details we found. If trees are precious to people I feel they should not make them public and if they do they should not complain if others use the details. Yes we in years gone by spent numerous hours and money to get to where we are today before the internet and if we do not want to share do not post it on the internet and you will not need to complain. I also feel that we should always help others where ever possible. Sure we have all got incorrect details in our tree somewhere and with further research we hopefully will straighten this out. I have had details proven to me by 2 professionals and corrected my line at the top but it is hard to convince some that theirs needs correcting so I leave them go on. But it is hard when people then copy theirs with the same mistakes. Some go on about people with large trees as name collectors but I agree with Chris that this is a way to eventually get further details for your own tree and could be another way to help others Happy hunting in Genealogy Regards Colin > Hi > > I have been following this thread with interest. > > I must admit, I have gone right off having a lot of data online. I do > have a tree on My Heritage, Genes Reunited and Ancestry, but I am going > to pull the one on My Heritage down. Because Genes reunited is a > different system that will probably stay up, but my ancestry tree is > private. I currently have nothing on rootsweb. > > I am going to put a small tree up which will be public...up to my > grandparents just so people can make the connections and only include > data for which I have sources. > > My full tree is large....almost 60 000. However, it is not publicly > available on the web and some of it is just possibilities and how people > could be related and over time I continue to research and verify. I go > back on lines that marry into my family (i.e. in-law side) as far back > as gr-gr grandparents, giving brothers and sisters in each generation, > and parents of spouses. I then tie together anyone related to anyone > else, not to collect names, but because 99% of the time I find further > names I am related to doing this, and it also helps me go down on the > lines I am interested in. It puts me in touch with people not related to > me and I have obtained more information on living descendants this way > than from people actually related! I am happy to share anything I have > with anyone who can show me a connection and when I share I say whether > this information is verified or not... and I will continue over time to > gradually verify everything given me. > > I never post living individuals online (not viewable anyway- my whole > tree is backed up on ancestry), and I don't place unverified information > online. While sources might not always be listed online (e.g. if a > living son verifies his father's details in an email I am not going to > post the son's details online) I always have them, and can provide them > to related people on request. > > My major reason for going away from offline trees is we probably all > have information given to us not yet verified, and we probably all have > errors in our trees. Unfortunately, the web tends to duplicate these > errors as people take without verifying. Its not matter of I don't want > to share, as I am always willing. I really don't care if someone > connected takes my research or photographs without acknowledgement, > although it is quite to acknowledge or and ask, and I always do this. My > concern is for ensuring accuracy. I don't want people grafting my tree > to theirs simply because the names are similar or the same. > > For example, so many Christian Friedrich Beutels- you look on ancestry > and rootsweb and there does not appear to be any consistency on who is > the father of whom. Between the Beutels and the Kapernicks I am > probably connected to most of the Lockyer Valley- particularly the > German families- but I do always want to see accuracy. > > Also, I am always willing to have my mistakes pointed out to others, and > I remember in the early days of researching I did do some silly things. > We need to remember this - some of these people on ancestry are > beginners and still learning about research and research techniques. We > can be patient and offer a little help in advice. > > Having said that, I have tried to correct so many trees on ancestry that > I have given up! > > Warm Regards > > Chris Schmidt > > > > On 19/04/2014 7:33 PM, Lorrae J wrote: >> Hi List >> >> I must admit, I do not understand the reason people upload their database >> to >> the web. >> I have been researching for more than 30 years, sitting in libraries >> reading >> the microfische etc, and I welcome the opportunity to exchange data. >> >> Yes, I have a webpage - one is the list of books I have published so that >> others can add and not have to research yet again, that which I had >> already >> researched. There is nothing as saddening as knowing you have spent all >> day >> finding a little bit, only to discover that your cousin already had it. >> So with the help of family, I have collated their stories, and added it >> to >> that which I have already and put it into publication. >> >> This webpage also links to my other webpage which only list my ancestors >> and >> their children (513 individuals) - nothing below my grandparents - >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >> Yes, there are 1 or 2 errors on the page, where I have added POSTNOTES, >> so >> that the error is not actually corrected - this way, people can quickly >> see >> the families I am researching. >> >> I cannot understand why some people can possibly have more than 100,000 >> names in their database and claim to be related to them all. I think >> they >> just go off on tangents looking at other lines and collecting names. >> >> It comes back to WHY and WHAT. >> WHY are you gathering all this information >> WHAT are you doing with it >> >> Happy to help others researching their lines and love making the >> connections. >> >> Happy Easter Everyone >> >> >> Lorrae J >> Forest Lake Q 4078 >> http://www.lorrae.net/ >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 9698 (20140418) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... 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