Why do you think people come to these lists and ask for help or advice? Maybe they don't know what is available online, maybe they do not have access to libraries or any of the many cds avail. Maybe they are just starting and are looking for some kind soul to help them and direct them. So many times I have seen people ask a question and get jumped on with basically "find it yourself" answer and lets not forget, making sure you use the correct email etiquette! or the world is going to end. I thought we were on this list to help each other? But seems sometimes this is a list for professionals only. regards Kerry