'The Last Post' On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Lorrae J <lorrae@uqconnect.net> wrote: > Hi List > > I am open to free discussions, but can we get back to research and helping > each other. > > We all have our beliefs, which is great, and we all have our own ideals, > but > we are here to help, so may I please ask this thread be stopped and lets do > what we do best. > > Remember, if it is out there, it is fair game. > It is up to us individually to check and vertify our information and data, > and that is to the best of our ability. > > Take care, live in peace. There are more important things to discuss then > this thread.. > > Anzac Day 2014 > Dawn Service at Goodna was tremendous, a lot different and larger than the > one we usually attend at Laidley. > It was not that cold either, with people in shorts, singlets and shoeless, > and others in suits. We were all there for the same reason, to remember > our > Service men and women and to pay respect to their memory!! > > Lest We forget > > > Lorrae J > Forest Lake Q 4078 > http://www.lorrae.net/ > > > > > > _____ > > From: Colin Larter [mailto:cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au] > Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2014 12:52 PM > To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ancestry's public trees > > > > Chris and Lorrae and all on the list Happy Easter. > I have been watching this conversation going around in circles for some > time and feel some have been a little harsh on others. We were all > beginners once and had to start some where. We must not forget that most > of us started later in life when most ancestors had passed and taken > their information with them. So we grasped to what ever details we found. > If trees are precious to people I feel they should not make them public > and if they do they should not complain if others use the details. Yes > we in years gone by spent numerous hours and money to get to where we > are today before the internet and if we do not want to share do not post > it on the internet and you will not need to complain. > I also feel that we should always help others where ever possible. Sure > we have all got incorrect details in our tree somewhere and with further > research we hopefully will straighten this out. I have had details > proven to me by 2 professionals and corrected my line at the top but it > is hard to convince some that theirs needs correcting so I leave them go > on. But it is hard when people then copy theirs with the same mistakes. > Some go on about people with large trees as name collectors but I agree > with Chris that this is a way to eventually get further details for your > own tree and could be another way to help others > Happy hunting in Genealogy > Regards Colin > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9721 (20140425) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris ... have you checked the electoral rolls ? Maree

Hi I am trying to verify if Ronald Keith SMITH who died in Ingham on 19 Nov 2000 is the one I have in my tree or not. Would someone local be able to take a photo of the tombstone for me? He is in section 20 plot 1. I am currently in the Lockyer visiting family and happy to return the favour around here. Warm Regards Chris Schmidt

Hi I seemed to miss this one- I just wonder why a daughter does not have correct information on both her parents? Warm Regards Chris On 25/04/2014 8:49 PM, Kerry Young wrote: > http://www.hinchinbrook.qld.gov.au/documents/10232/16278/Hinchinbrook%20Cemetery%20Register%20as%20at%2001_04_2014.pdf > > There is a SMITH, RONALD KEITH who seems to have died 19/11/2000, aged 70. He was born Toowoomba and lived in Ingham. > > Hope this helps > > Kerry (Young) > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I am open to free discussions, but can we get back to research and helping each other. We all have our beliefs, which is great, and we all have our own ideals, but we are here to help, so may I please ask this thread be stopped and lets do what we do best. Remember, if it is out there, it is fair game. It is up to us individually to check and vertify our information and data, and that is to the best of our ability. Take care, live in peace. There are more important things to discuss then this thread.. Anzac Day 2014 Dawn Service at Goodna was tremendous, a lot different and larger than the one we usually attend at Laidley. It was not that cold either, with people in shorts, singlets and shoeless, and others in suits. We were all there for the same reason, to remember our Service men and women and to pay respect to their memory!! Lest We forget Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ _____ From: Colin Larter [mailto:cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au] Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2014 12:52 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ancestry's public trees Chris and Lorrae and all on the list Happy Easter. I have been watching this conversation going around in circles for some time and feel some have been a little harsh on others. We were all beginners once and had to start some where. We must not forget that most of us started later in life when most ancestors had passed and taken their information with them. So we grasped to what ever details we found. If trees are precious to people I feel they should not make them public and if they do they should not complain if others use the details. Yes we in years gone by spent numerous hours and money to get to where we are today before the internet and if we do not want to share do not post it on the internet and you will not need to complain. I also feel that we should always help others where ever possible. Sure we have all got incorrect details in our tree somewhere and with further research we hopefully will straighten this out. I have had details proven to me by 2 professionals and corrected my line at the top but it is hard to convince some that theirs needs correcting so I leave them go on. But it is hard when people then copy theirs with the same mistakes. Some go on about people with large trees as name collectors but I agree with Chris that this is a way to eventually get further details for your own tree and could be another way to help others Happy hunting in Genealogy Regards Colin __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9721 (20140425) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

http://www.hinchinbrook.qld.gov.au/documents/10232/16278/Hinchinbrook%20Cemetery%20Register%20as%20at%2001_04_2014.pdf There is a SMITH, RONALD KEITH who seems to have died 19/11/2000, aged 70. He was born Toowoomba and lived in Ingham. Hope this helps Kerry (Young)

Hi I have the above couple in my tree. Ronald Keith Smith is a son of my great Aunt Emma SMITH nee Kapernick, from Flagstone Creek, Qld. This is the information I have been given by a daughter: 1. Ronald Keith SMITH b. Abt 30 Nov 1930 d. 18 Nov 1970 buried: 24 Nov 1970 Ingham Lawn Cemetery, Ingham, Qld m .Marie Jean MOORE b. Abt 30 Nov 1930 d. 5 Oct 1974 buried Anglican Church Wall (whatever that means) I would presume the information given by a daughter is correct, but I still have been trying to verify the information. I have tried Hinchinbrook Council's online burial Index and cannot find a record for either them. There is no death for a Ronald Keith SMITH in the online Historical Index. I cannot find an obituary for them. I have found a death registration for a Marie Jean SMITH on the Historical Index in 1981, with her being given as the daughter of Henry William Phillip MOORE and Irene Isabelle LEESON. I have ordered the certificate in case it is the correct one. It just seems to be strange that there is no source available backing up any of the information provided. He moved away from the Lockyer and Toowoomba where the majority of the Kapernick/Smith descendants are located, and there has been little contact between the families. My mum seems to think that Ron left his wife, so maybe they don't even know when he died? Other family members (brother and sister) know he died, but cannot remember "when". Does anyone else have any information on Ronald Keith SMITH and his wife Marie Jean nee MOORE? Can anyone else verify any of this information? Warm Regards Chris

Morning Chris I have been able to find Ronald & Marie living at Macknade in 1959. He was a labourer and Marie was home duties. Just in case you don't know Macknade is a small township outside of Ingham. The Anglican church wall that you mentioned is for the placement of ashes at the New Ingham Cemetery. As I am from Ingham originally this name does ring a bell and will ask my older family members if they remember anything. Hope this helps a little and will let you know if I can find out anything. Kind regards. Marg On Friday, 25 April 2014 8:08 PM, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@optusnet.com.au> wrote: Hi I have the above couple in my tree. Ronald Keith Smith is a son of my great Aunt Emma SMITH nee Kapernick, from Flagstone Creek, Qld. This is the information I have been given by a daughter: 1. Ronald Keith SMITH  b. Abt 30 Nov 1930 d. 18 Nov 1970 buried: 24 Nov 1970 Ingham Lawn Cemetery, Ingham, Qld m .Marie Jean MOORE b.  Abt 30 Nov 1930 d. 5 Oct 1974 buried Anglican Church Wall (whatever that means) I would presume the information given by a daughter is correct, but I still have been trying to verify the information. I have tried Hinchinbrook Council's online burial Index and cannot find a record for either them. There is no death for a Ronald Keith SMITH in the online Historical Index. I cannot find an obituary for them.  I have found a death registration for a Marie Jean SMITH on the Historical Index in 1981, with her being given as the daughter of Henry William Phillip MOORE and Irene Isabelle LEESON. I have ordered the certificate in case it is the correct one. It just seems to be strange that there is no source available backing up any of the information provided. He moved away from the Lockyer and Toowoomba where the majority of the Kapernick/Smith descendants are located, and there has been little contact between the families. My mum seems to think that Ron left his wife, so maybe they don't even know when he died? Other family members (brother and sister) know he died, but cannot remember "when". Does anyone else have any information on Ronald Keith SMITH and his wife Marie Jean nee MOORE? Can anyone else verify any of this information? Warm Regards Chris Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Mark, I have not seen if you had received any information on the Toowoomba Foundry. I would be interested if you have. My Great grandfather William Townson worked there for quite a number of years, as did his son and grandson. Regards Irene Irene Schaffer Email: irene.schaffer@bigpond.com http://www.tasfamily.net.au/~schafferi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:40 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Toowoomba Foundry Employment Records > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone know if there are employment records available for the old > Toowoomba Foundry, circa 1920-1930? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark

Hi All, Does anyone know if there are employment records available for the old Toowoomba Foundry, circa 1920-1930? Thanks, Mark --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi The biggest issue I find with public trees is the duplication of mistakes. Why would you put it up there if you did not want to people to use it? Granted, I have spent a lot of money on it, and granted, people should acknowledge you as a source, and it is polite and correct to do so, but my attitude is its not my research anyway- it belongs to everyone connected to it. It is their story. Many people freely gave of their research when I was getting started including giving me certified copies of certificates they had ordered, that I am happy to return the favour. Sometimes its not people's fault when they add your information: I have been contacted by people apologising for adding stuff which they did because it came up as a hint on ancestry, and they thought therefore it was automatically a 100% match, and were horrified when later they realised it wasn't. They didn't at first realise how ancestry worked, and are not very internet savvy, and are now struggling to remove the information. Remember also, that when you upload a photo or a media item to a public tree, everyone else with the same person, or sometimes a similar person but not the correct individual, will be TOLD by ancestry to add that photo. The whole public tree system is based on matching and sharing information, so if you don't want to do that then your tree definitely should not be public. However, everyone has errors in their tree. This is why I made mine private. This is my only reason for making it private, so that people have to contact me and discuss the information. Also, there are a lot of name adders out there and yes I agree THAT is not good - my concern about this only being that they are not going to get the information accurate, because they don't want to actually research. However, maybe we should remember how we got started? If we are honest, and if we were internet savvy when we started researching seriously like I was, that is probably how we started. We went online and looked for what information we could find and then later we started verifying it - so maybe some of those name adders with errors etc (and yes silly ones at that) are just newbies still learning. When I started researching I used what I could find in online sources and printed histories- I couldn't afford to verify a lot at that stage anyway as I was unemployed. Nor should we presume just because a person has a lot of names that they are only a name adder. Nor should you presume that if you contact a person and he cannot provide further information on that person that he is just a name adder. Hey, if you can provide further information on everyone in your tree then congratulations! You are the first genealogist in the world that I have met that can do so and I would love to meet you and learn your secret. I have close relatives even, I know they are there. Undoubtedly they are even parents or grandparents now, but we have simply lost contact. They don't appear in the phone book or electoral rolls- not everyone does (well at least not those publicly available)- and we don't have a clue a where they are as we have lost contact. Because they are living, it is more difficult, and we don't know where to start because these days they could be anywhere. One of those in my tree I recently found on Facebook (she was not there six months ago) living in Singapore! My tree is large- it came from 100s of different sources. I fully intend verifying as much as I can, and that is a process I will continue for as long as Ia m able. Hopefully, its a process someone will continue, and continue adding when I am deceased. I have recently deleted information I once thought was my relatives, but have no found is not. I also have information in their so I can rule them out as part of my family: I have enough information for example, on two non-related Beutel lines I have found that if a living descendant contacted me I probably could rule him out as being part of my line. We place people in our tree for many different reasons. Regards Chris On 17/04/2014 8:24 AM, Mark Feodoroff wrote: > I had my Ancestry tree publicly viewable to try and connect with others, and > have them avoid some of the 'pain' I went through. I've seen many trees > where I doubt very much the 'researcher' did this work, as the work I did > was tedious and involved a lot of input from others and visits from various > sources around the globe (I'm not saying they couldn't do it though), but > when there was no source citations and their research didn't include my > unpublished updates (from sources not available on the Internet) then I > stopped updating the published tree in its entirety. > > Last night I marked my tree as private. At least this way people have to > contact me for more information, and acknowledge in some small way the work > I have done. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of D. Carmichael > > > Sadly we live in an era of cut and paste 'genealogy', where errors multiply > exponentially attaining the status of 'facts'. > > Ancestry's advertising spin has a lot to answer for on this front. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenelle McCarrick > > Very true Janet, or they don't reply or correct anything. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Janet > > >From my experience as a volunteer at the local FHA, I now find that >> people > are not the slightest bit interested in research, only in having access to > Ancestry where they can copy other people's Trees, regardless of whether > they be correct or not. They only want to collect names and dates, and > depart an hour later saying they have done their Family Tree. > > Such a shame when research can be so rewarding. > Happy hunting > Janet > > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Colin, Chris & Lorrae I know it is late but Happy Easter to everyone...... Yes I agree with you Colin if people want to keep their family history to them selves they don't post it on the net. What's on the net- is there for you to use. If we didn't have information like this we would be spending a lot of money to get information. Putting it on the net helps families ........if you should find some info you can always let people know you have certain information for them or where they could find it. Helping someone never hurts anyone. from Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Colin Larter Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 12:52 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ancestry's public trees Chris and Lorrae and all on the list Happy Easter. I have been watching this conversation going around in circles for some time and feel some have been a little harsh on others. We were all beginners once and had to start some where. We must not forget that most of us started later in life when most ancestors had passed and taken their information with them. So we grasped to what ever details we found. If trees are precious to people I feel they should not make them public and if they do they should not complain if others use the details. Yes we in years gone by spent numerous hours and money to get to where we are today before the internet and if we do not want to share do not post it on the internet and you will not need to complain. I also feel that we should always help others where ever possible. Sure we have all got incorrect details in our tree somewhere and with further research we hopefully will straighten this out. I have had details proven to me by 2 professionals and corrected my line at the top but it is hard to convince some that theirs needs correcting so I leave them go on. But it is hard when people then copy theirs with the same mistakes. Some go on about people with large trees as name collectors but I agree with Chris that this is a way to eventually get further details for your own tree and could be another way to help others Happy hunting in Genealogy Regards Colin > Hi > > I have been following this thread with interest. > > I must admit, I have gone right off having a lot of data online. I do > have a tree on My Heritage, Genes Reunited and Ancestry, but I am going > to pull the one on My Heritage down. Because Genes reunited is a > different system that will probably stay up, but my ancestry tree is > private. I currently have nothing on rootsweb. > > I am going to put a small tree up which will be public...up to my > grandparents just so people can make the connections and only include > data for which I have sources. > > My full tree is large....almost 60 000. However, it is not publicly > available on the web and some of it is just possibilities and how people > could be related and over time I continue to research and verify. I go > back on lines that marry into my family (i.e. in-law side) as far back > as gr-gr grandparents, giving brothers and sisters in each generation, > and parents of spouses. I then tie together anyone related to anyone > else, not to collect names, but because 99% of the time I find further > names I am related to doing this, and it also helps me go down on the > lines I am interested in. It puts me in touch with people not related to > me and I have obtained more information on living descendants this way > than from people actually related! I am happy to share anything I have > with anyone who can show me a connection and when I share I say whether > this information is verified or not... and I will continue over time to > gradually verify everything given me. > > I never post living individuals online (not viewable anyway- my whole > tree is backed up on ancestry), and I don't place unverified information > online. While sources might not always be listed online (e.g. if a > living son verifies his father's details in an email I am not going to > post the son's details online) I always have them, and can provide them > to related people on request. > > My major reason for going away from offline trees is we probably all > have information given to us not yet verified, and we probably all have > errors in our trees. Unfortunately, the web tends to duplicate these > errors as people take without verifying. Its not matter of I don't want > to share, as I am always willing. I really don't care if someone > connected takes my research or photographs without acknowledgement, > although it is quite to acknowledge or and ask, and I always do this. My > concern is for ensuring accuracy. I don't want people grafting my tree > to theirs simply because the names are similar or the same. > > For example, so many Christian Friedrich Beutels- you look on ancestry > and rootsweb and there does not appear to be any consistency on who is > the father of whom. Between the Beutels and the Kapernicks I am > probably connected to most of the Lockyer Valley- particularly the > German families- but I do always want to see accuracy. > > Also, I am always willing to have my mistakes pointed out to others, and > I remember in the early days of researching I did do some silly things. > We need to remember this - some of these people on ancestry are > beginners and still learning about research and research techniques. We > can be patient and offer a little help in advice. > > Having said that, I have tried to correct so many trees on ancestry that > I have given up! > > Warm Regards > > Chris Schmidt > > > > On 19/04/2014 7:33 PM, Lorrae J wrote: >> Hi List >> >> I must admit, I do not understand the reason people upload their database >> to >> the web. >> I have been researching for more than 30 years, sitting in libraries >> reading >> the microfische etc, and I welcome the opportunity to exchange data. >> >> Yes, I have a webpage - one is the list of books I have published so that >> others can add and not have to research yet again, that which I had >> already >> researched. There is nothing as saddening as knowing you have spent all >> day >> finding a little bit, only to discover that your cousin already had it. >> So with the help of family, I have collated their stories, and added it >> to >> that which I have already and put it into publication. >> >> This webpage also links to my other webpage which only list my ancestors >> and >> their children (513 individuals) - nothing below my grandparents - >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >> Yes, there are 1 or 2 errors on the page, where I have added POSTNOTES, >> so >> that the error is not actually corrected - this way, people can quickly >> see >> the families I am researching. >> >> I cannot understand why some people can possibly have more than 100,000 >> names in their database and claim to be related to them all. I think >> they >> just go off on tangents looking at other lines and collecting names. >> >> It comes back to WHY and WHAT. >> WHY are you gathering all this information >> WHAT are you doing with it >> >> Happy to help others researching their lines and love making the >> connections. >> >> Happy Easter Everyone >> >> >> Lorrae J >> Forest Lake Q 4078 >> http://www.lorrae.net/ >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 9698 (20140418) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... 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Chris and Lorrae and all on the list Happy Easter. I have been watching this conversation going around in circles for some time and feel some have been a little harsh on others. We were all beginners once and had to start some where. We must not forget that most of us started later in life when most ancestors had passed and taken their information with them. So we grasped to what ever details we found. If trees are precious to people I feel they should not make them public and if they do they should not complain if others use the details. Yes we in years gone by spent numerous hours and money to get to where we are today before the internet and if we do not want to share do not post it on the internet and you will not need to complain. I also feel that we should always help others where ever possible. Sure we have all got incorrect details in our tree somewhere and with further research we hopefully will straighten this out. I have had details proven to me by 2 professionals and corrected my line at the top but it is hard to convince some that theirs needs correcting so I leave them go on. But it is hard when people then copy theirs with the same mistakes. Some go on about people with large trees as name collectors but I agree with Chris that this is a way to eventually get further details for your own tree and could be another way to help others Happy hunting in Genealogy Regards Colin > Hi > > I have been following this thread with interest. > > I must admit, I have gone right off having a lot of data online. I do > have a tree on My Heritage, Genes Reunited and Ancestry, but I am going > to pull the one on My Heritage down. Because Genes reunited is a > different system that will probably stay up, but my ancestry tree is > private. I currently have nothing on rootsweb. > > I am going to put a small tree up which will be public...up to my > grandparents just so people can make the connections and only include > data for which I have sources. > > My full tree is large....almost 60 000. However, it is not publicly > available on the web and some of it is just possibilities and how people > could be related and over time I continue to research and verify. I go > back on lines that marry into my family (i.e. in-law side) as far back > as gr-gr grandparents, giving brothers and sisters in each generation, > and parents of spouses. I then tie together anyone related to anyone > else, not to collect names, but because 99% of the time I find further > names I am related to doing this, and it also helps me go down on the > lines I am interested in. It puts me in touch with people not related to > me and I have obtained more information on living descendants this way > than from people actually related! I am happy to share anything I have > with anyone who can show me a connection and when I share I say whether > this information is verified or not... and I will continue over time to > gradually verify everything given me. > > I never post living individuals online (not viewable anyway- my whole > tree is backed up on ancestry), and I don't place unverified information > online. While sources might not always be listed online (e.g. if a > living son verifies his father's details in an email I am not going to > post the son's details online) I always have them, and can provide them > to related people on request. > > My major reason for going away from offline trees is we probably all > have information given to us not yet verified, and we probably all have > errors in our trees. Unfortunately, the web tends to duplicate these > errors as people take without verifying. Its not matter of I don't want > to share, as I am always willing. I really don't care if someone > connected takes my research or photographs without acknowledgement, > although it is quite to acknowledge or and ask, and I always do this. My > concern is for ensuring accuracy. I don't want people grafting my tree > to theirs simply because the names are similar or the same. > > For example, so many Christian Friedrich Beutels- you look on ancestry > and rootsweb and there does not appear to be any consistency on who is > the father of whom. Between the Beutels and the Kapernicks I am > probably connected to most of the Lockyer Valley- particularly the > German families- but I do always want to see accuracy. > > Also, I am always willing to have my mistakes pointed out to others, and > I remember in the early days of researching I did do some silly things. > We need to remember this - some of these people on ancestry are > beginners and still learning about research and research techniques. We > can be patient and offer a little help in advice. > > Having said that, I have tried to correct so many trees on ancestry that > I have given up! > > Warm Regards > > Chris Schmidt > > > > On 19/04/2014 7:33 PM, Lorrae J wrote: >> Hi List >> >> I must admit, I do not understand the reason people upload their database to >> the web. >> I have been researching for more than 30 years, sitting in libraries reading >> the microfische etc, and I welcome the opportunity to exchange data. >> >> Yes, I have a webpage - one is the list of books I have published so that >> others can add and not have to research yet again, that which I had already >> researched. There is nothing as saddening as knowing you have spent all day >> finding a little bit, only to discover that your cousin already had it. >> So with the help of family, I have collated their stories, and added it to >> that which I have already and put it into publication. >> >> This webpage also links to my other webpage which only list my ancestors and >> their children (513 individuals) - nothing below my grandparents - >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >> Yes, there are 1 or 2 errors on the page, where I have added POSTNOTES, so >> that the error is not actually corrected - this way, people can quickly see >> the families I am researching. >> >> I cannot understand why some people can possibly have more than 100,000 >> names in their database and claim to be related to them all. I think they >> just go off on tangents looking at other lines and collecting names. >> >> It comes back to WHY and WHAT. >> WHY are you gathering all this information >> WHAT are you doing with it >> >> Happy to help others researching their lines and love making the >> connections. >> >> Happy Easter Everyone >> >> >> Lorrae J >> Forest Lake Q 4078 >> http://www.lorrae.net/ >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 9698 (20140418) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... 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Hi I have been following this thread with interest. I must admit, I have gone right off having a lot of data online. I do have a tree on My Heritage, Genes Reunited and Ancestry, but I am going to pull the one on My Heritage down. Because Genes reunited is a different system that will probably stay up, but my ancestry tree is private. I currently have nothing on rootsweb. I am going to put a small tree up which will be public...up to my grandparents just so people can make the connections and only include data for which I have sources. My full tree is large....almost 60 000. However, it is not publicly available on the web and some of it is just possibilities and how people could be related and over time I continue to research and verify. I go back on lines that marry into my family (i.e. in-law side) as far back as gr-gr grandparents, giving brothers and sisters in each generation, and parents of spouses. I then tie together anyone related to anyone else, not to collect names, but because 99% of the time I find further names I am related to doing this, and it also helps me go down on the lines I am interested in. It puts me in touch with people not related to me and I have obtained more information on living descendants this way than from people actually related! I am happy to share anything I have with anyone who can show me a connection and when I share I say whether this information is verified or not... and I will continue over time to gradually verify everything given me. I never post living individuals online (not viewable anyway- my whole tree is backed up on ancestry), and I don't place unverified information online. While sources might not always be listed online (e.g. if a living son verifies his father's details in an email I am not going to post the son's details online) I always have them, and can provide them to related people on request. My major reason for going away from offline trees is we probably all have information given to us not yet verified, and we probably all have errors in our trees. Unfortunately, the web tends to duplicate these errors as people take without verifying. Its not matter of I don't want to share, as I am always willing. I really don't care if someone connected takes my research or photographs without acknowledgement, although it is quite to acknowledge or and ask, and I always do this. My concern is for ensuring accuracy. I don't want people grafting my tree to theirs simply because the names are similar or the same. For example, so many Christian Friedrich Beutels- you look on ancestry and rootsweb and there does not appear to be any consistency on who is the father of whom. Between the Beutels and the Kapernicks I am probably connected to most of the Lockyer Valley- particularly the German families- but I do always want to see accuracy. Also, I am always willing to have my mistakes pointed out to others, and I remember in the early days of researching I did do some silly things. We need to remember this - some of these people on ancestry are beginners and still learning about research and research techniques. We can be patient and offer a little help in advice. Having said that, I have tried to correct so many trees on ancestry that I have given up! Warm Regards Chris Schmidt On 19/04/2014 7:33 PM, Lorrae J wrote: > Hi List > > I must admit, I do not understand the reason people upload their database to > the web. > I have been researching for more than 30 years, sitting in libraries reading > the microfische etc, and I welcome the opportunity to exchange data. > > Yes, I have a webpage - one is the list of books I have published so that > others can add and not have to research yet again, that which I had already > researched. There is nothing as saddening as knowing you have spent all day > finding a little bit, only to discover that your cousin already had it. > So with the help of family, I have collated their stories, and added it to > that which I have already and put it into publication. > > This webpage also links to my other webpage which only list my ancestors and > their children (513 individuals) - nothing below my grandparents - > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > Yes, there are 1 or 2 errors on the page, where I have added POSTNOTES, so > that the error is not actually corrected - this way, people can quickly see > the families I am researching. > > I cannot understand why some people can possibly have more than 100,000 > names in their database and claim to be related to them all. I think they > just go off on tangents looking at other lines and collecting names. > > It comes back to WHY and WHAT. > WHY are you gathering all this information > WHAT are you doing with it > > Happy to help others researching their lines and love making the > connections. > > Happy Easter Everyone > > > Lorrae J > Forest Lake Q 4078 > http://www.lorrae.net/ > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9698 (20140418) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I must admit, I do not understand the reason people upload their database to the web. I have been researching for more than 30 years, sitting in libraries reading the microfische etc, and I welcome the opportunity to exchange data. Yes, I have a webpage - one is the list of books I have published so that others can add and not have to research yet again, that which I had already researched. There is nothing as saddening as knowing you have spent all day finding a little bit, only to discover that your cousin already had it. So with the help of family, I have collated their stories, and added it to that which I have already and put it into publication. This webpage also links to my other webpage which only list my ancestors and their children (513 individuals) - nothing below my grandparents - http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich Yes, there are 1 or 2 errors on the page, where I have added POSTNOTES, so that the error is not actually corrected - this way, people can quickly see the families I am researching. I cannot understand why some people can possibly have more than 100,000 names in their database and claim to be related to them all. I think they just go off on tangents looking at other lines and collecting names. It comes back to WHY and WHAT. WHY are you gathering all this information WHAT are you doing with it Happy to help others researching their lines and love making the connections. Happy Easter Everyone Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9698 (20140418) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

I would like to hear from anyone on this list who is researching this gent, please Greg

Hello from Brisbane Is anyone else having trouble downloading images from Qld Registry site. I have tried both from the receipt and from the box that comes up just after I paid. The message is that an error occurred downloading the image. I guess staff have all gone home for the Easter break and won't be back until Tuesday. I have emailed them with the problem. Regards Pam in Brisbane

For Mark: In 1959 I sailed from Southampton in England to Montreal, Canada. The ship did not dock in Quebec City but stayed out in the St Lawrence River. But that was considered the place of entry for all passengers and Immigration Officers came on board and interviewed us all and stamped our passports as entering Canada at Quebec, even though we were not allowed to go on shore there, even if we wanted to and the few people who were ending their journey there were taken ashore in boats. We then sailed further up river to Montreal and disembarked. In 1967 I sailed from Auckland to Brisbane. Some of us were ending the journey there and others going ashore for the day as tourists. We stood around waiting for about an hour as the Immigration Officers had to examine everyone and their passports and there were two passengers who the ship’s information said were on board, but who had not been checked by the said officials. Eventually the couple were found sunning themselves on a top deck. When contacted they said that they had heard the loudspeaker going constantly, but not clearly and they did not have to be interviewed because they were not going to get off the ship, but stay on board until Sydney. When told that they had to be seen, they still argued that they did not need to be, as they were not going to enter Aus until Sydney. They were told very firmly that they were officially entering the country in Brisbane as this was the first port of call and that no one at all could go ashore until they were both seen. I was very annoyed as I had not seen my parents and young brother for three years and they were there waiting. The balance of probability is that your ancestor wanting to achieve his naturalisation, knew that his previous info would be checked to see his original entry status and to see if he had been in the country for the required number of years. He knew that it was at Townsville that the formalities occurred that allowed him to stay legally and that would be what was in the records. So, that is what he entered on the form. However to his mind, that this happened in Townsville was unimportant and so he probably only bothered to tell family what he felt was important to him, that is, about the place where he disembarked and what happened after that. I hope this helps Desma Bowman > From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Hi Kerry, It turns out my son got a copy of the scan of these pages from our visit on Saturday :-) Reading the document, it really does look like FEEFLOFF. I'm guessing the crew handed the immigration people some documentation with the crew's names, and a transcription error occurred at that point. Alex's age is close (ish) to what I know his age to be. That leaves me with a theory that my grandfather disembarked in Brisbane, which then questions why his Naturalisation file states he got off in Townsville. I'm hoping to access Sydney records for Nikko Maru crew (payment via some transcription work on my part), to see if there were 4 Russian crew on board as the NAA records show. It's not entirely conclusive, but would add weight to him disembarking as a passenger in Brisbane...or he got off in Townville as a passenger, assuming the identity of someone who kept heading south on the ship although this is not supported by immigration records in Townsville. It's inconclusive, but a lead nonetheless that should keep me entertained for a while. Cheers, Mark On 16/04/2014, at 8:54 PM, Mark Feodoroff <mark@feodoroff.com> wrote: > Hi Marg. > I have immigration records for the ship arriving in Brisbane, and there were > quite a few Russians on board. > > It gives me a glimmer of something to make a story of, but probably never > finding his place of birth as that has currently drawn a blank and the > information hasn't really changed that much. > > Cheers, > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> > To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:41 AM > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew > > Hi All, >> My grandfather claimed to have arrived on the Nikko Maru that >> docked in Townsville on 20 May 1914. > Hi Mark > > What a great record your grandfather left in his 17 page > naturalisation file ! > > The Government were more interested in migrants that cost them > money as in assisted passages than folk who paid their own fares. > > As far as I can judge he was just a paying passenger on this ship > and no passenger list survives. > > Bye > MargM > Qld List Admin

Thanks Desma, That's quite an interesting story :-) The problem I have with my grandfather's story is that on his naturalisation he claimed to be in Townsville for 1 month, meaning he could not have been in Brisbane on the same ship only a few days later. I'm know wondering if he meant 1 *day*. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of desma bowman Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2014 2:14 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew For Mark: In 1959 I sailed from Southampton in England to Montreal, Canada. The ship did not dock in Quebec City but stayed out in the St Lawrence River. But that was considered the place of entry for all passengers and Immigration Officers came on board and interviewed us all and stamped our passports as entering Canada at Quebec, even though we were not allowed to go on shore there, even if we wanted to and the few people who were ending their journey there were taken ashore in boats. We then sailed further up river to Montreal and disembarked. In 1967 I sailed from Auckland to Brisbane. Some of us were ending the journey there and others going ashore for the day as tourists. We stood around waiting for about an hour as the Immigration Officers had to examine everyone and their passports and there were two passengers who the ship's information said were on board, but who had not been checked by the said officials. Eventually the couple were found sunning themselves on a top deck. When contacted they said that they had heard the loudspeaker going constantly, but not clearly and they did not have to be interviewed because they were not going to get off the ship, but stay on board until Sydney. When told that they had to be seen, they still argued that they did not need to be, as they were not going to enter Aus until Sydney. They were told very firmly that they were officially entering the country in Brisbane as this was the first port of call and that no one at all could go ashore until they were both seen. I was very annoyed as I had not seen my parents and young brother for three years and they were there waiting. The balance of probability is that your ancestor wanting to achieve his naturalisation, knew that his previous info would be checked to see his original entry status and to see if he had been in the country for the required number of years. He knew that it was at Townsville that the formalities occurred that allowed him to stay legally and that would be what was in the records. So, that is what he entered on the form. However to his mind, that this happened in Townsville was unimportant and so he probably only bothered to tell family what he felt was important to him, that is, about the place where he disembarked and what happened after that. I hope this helps Desma Bowman > From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Hi Kerry, It turns out my son got a copy of the scan of these pages from our visit on Saturday :-) Reading the document, it really does look like FEEFLOFF. I'm guessing the crew handed the immigration people some documentation with the crew's names, and a transcription error occurred at that point. Alex's age is close (ish) to what I know his age to be. That leaves me with a theory that my grandfather disembarked in Brisbane, which then questions why his Naturalisation file states he got off in Townsville. I'm hoping to access Sydney records for Nikko Maru crew (payment via some transcription work on my part), to see if there were 4 Russian crew on board as the NAA records show. It's not entirely conclusive, but would add weight to him disembarking as a passenger in Brisbane...or he got off in Townville as a passenger, assuming the identity of someone who kept heading south on the ship although this is not supported by immigration records in Townsville. It's inconclusive, but a lead nonetheless that should keep me entertained for a while. Cheers, Mark On 16/04/2014, at 8:54 PM, Mark Feodoroff <mark@feodoroff.com> wrote: > Hi Marg. > I have immigration records for the ship arriving in Brisbane, and > there were quite a few Russians on board. > > It gives me a glimmer of something to make a story of, but probably > never finding his place of birth as that has currently drawn a blank > and the information hasn't really changed that much. > > Cheers, > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> > To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:41 AM > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew > > Hi All, >> My grandfather claimed to have arrived on the Nikko Maru that docked >> in Townsville on 20 May 1914. > Hi Mark > > What a great record your grandfather left in his 17 page > naturalisation file ! > > The Government were more interested in migrants that cost them money > as in assisted passages than folk who paid their own fares. > > As far as I can judge he was just a paying passenger on this ship and > no passenger list survives. > > Bye > MargM > Qld List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... 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Its not only Ancestry I had my tree on Genes Reunited..... and was contacted by a lady who saw I had Robbie BURNS (the Poet) in my Family she said she was also related through my LEES Family.....and she named one of my Ancestors who is also close to Robbie BURNS so I gave her permission to view my tree and she did the same for me............. she copied my tree onto hers ............which included a typing mistake by me..which I picked up when I saw her tree........her connection was not even a connection by marriage...... it turned out someone on her tree was LIVING with someone who by marriage was very distantly related to my LEES Family... this lady just wanted to connect to the Poet.. I noticed on her tree several other errors...(Mine was I typed the date 1823 as 1832} but on the others the dates and places were wrong I asked her where she got the info and told her it was wrong..........her answer was :"I just copy the information and when people see my tree and its wrong they give me the right info and I change it." needless to say she never got the corrected info from me...... and its still wrong on her tree...and I have from time to time emailed her telling her its wrong... I have since changed my tree to my direct line only not many siblings just a couple and no dates just years...... that's enough for people who are genuine to make contact...............I have my tree on a program on my computer that is not public....happy to share with people I know are genuine.........but people like this lady really annoy me... cheers Jan PS for those who dont know about Genes Reunited.... when you put your tree on there it will show individuals and date.. when someone does a search for a name... you can give the search a margin of so many years and everyone who has that name within the years will show up on a list... then you can contact the tree owner....