Hi Chris I have a couple of your names in my Tree do you recognize any of the following My BAUER's start with Michael BAUER marrying Louisa FRY in 1882 Michael was born in Ellenburg Germany 1862 Marie Dorothea NIEMEYER married Henrich Wilhelm GOTTSCHALK Maire's Father was Johann and she was born 1842 in Hanover. Wilhelmine Elizabeth BEUTEL married Wilhelm Christop BACHMANN in 1888 Wilhelmine was born in 1862 in Prussia dau of Christian Frederick BEUTEL and Wilhelmine ROHL cheers Jan

Does anyone have access to headstone photos of people buried in Toowoomba Garden of Remembrance? I am looking for Dawson James BATES who died 31 August 2006 age 65. His funeral was Monday 4 September 2006. Thanks in anticipation Pam in Brisbane

Hi Lorrae I don't seem to have all my ZIELKE connections tied together- I thought I did  have but apparently not.  I do have the following little tidbits in my database (not sure that they will be of much use) 1. Leo Alfred Richard ZIELKE (no dates) m.  Karoline HURLEBAUS      2. Elvena ZIELKE b.3 Jan 1912 d. 12 Nov 1999      m. 18 Apr 1934 August Wilhelm "Jim" DARGUSCH b. 21 Aug 1906 Qld d.9 Dec 1977 Qld      Father: August Heinrich DARGUSCH      Mother: Emilie Wilhelmine Marie "Millie" BAUER      2. Another sister of Elvena ZIESCHKE who could be still living married (if you don't have name I can give it to you off list)  Jim DARGUSCH's brother David Edgar DARGUSCH. .........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................  Next one: 1. Ernst Carl Heinrich ZIELKE m. Karen RASMUSSEN    2. Agnes Emilie ZIELKE b. 2 Jun 1899 Bundaberg, Qld d. 17 Mar 1986 Bundaberg, Qld    m. Alfred Christian ZISCHKE b. 17 Jun 1898 Qld d. 16 Jul 1987 Bundaberg, Qld    Father: Johann Friedrich ZISCHKE    Mother: Johanna Caroline GREINKE I have two of their children in my database (two girls both of whom could be living) one marrying Roy NEUMANN b. 14 Jan 1926 d. 12 Nov 2000. Roy is the son of  Cyril NEUMANN and Hilda Mabel NEUMANN. Another daughter Alfred ZISCHKE and Agnes nee ZIELKE married into the GRANZIEN Family. .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Next One: 1. Bertha Ottilie ZIELKE b. 2 Jun 1888 m. Otto Alfred Carl NIEMEYER b. 25 Jul 1889 Hatton Vale, Qld d. 6 Jun 1955 Brisbane, Qld. Otto's father is Heinrich Friedrich NIEMEYER and Christine Friedericke LOSE. ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I also have ZIELKE's around Boonah- not sure if it is the same family- they marry into my BEUTEL family.  I don't know whether this has been of any use but here is my two cents worth! Warm Regards Chris ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail

Hi Pam, There is a CD done on the Garden of Remembrance but it only goes til 2004 from memory and isn't of headstones just details of burial/cremation dates, age if known etc. I have a cd and there are a number of other Bates at the garden.   http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS.html ============================================== BATES, Dawson James of Toowoomba, taken into God's care on 31 August, 2006, aged 65 years. Forever loved husband of Shirley, and very much loved father of Joanne, Cameron, Julie and Andrew. Loving father-in-law, grandfather, and great grandfather of their families. Family and friends are warmly invited to attend a Celebration of DAWSON'S Life, to be held at St John's Presbyterian Church, corner Geddes and Cranley Streets, Toowoomba, commencing at 10.30 a.m. TODAY (Monday, 4.9.2006) then proceeding to the Garden of Remembrance Cemetery, Ruthven Street (south). Flowers or donations to the Leprosy Mission would be appreciated, envelopes available at the door. ``At Peace with God'' Location: Toowoomba | Published Date: 04 Sep 2006 ====================== BATES, Dawson. - ASHLAR MASONIC LODGE NUMBER 127 The Worshipfull Master requests members to attend the funeral of their late brother DAWSON BATES to move as per family notice. Location: Toowoomba | Published Date: 02 Sep 2006  =========================== Regards, Charmaine From: "Pam Dale" <pamjdale@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [AUS-QLD] TOOWOOMBA GARDEN OF REMEMBRANCE Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 10:46:50 +1000 Does anyone have access to headstone photos of people buried in Toowoomba Garden of Remembrance? I am looking for Dawson James BATES who died 31 August 2006 age 65. His funeral was Monday 4 September 2006.

Hi List Is anyone researching these families please? Maria Scjonholdt WOGENSEN (b: 17 June 1849 d: 30 June 1910) was first married to Andres RASMUSSEN However, on 23 April 1878 Bundaberg, she married Jacob HURLEBAUS (b: 27 February 1847 Schondorf, Wurtenberg d: 3 November 1926 Bundaberg, Qld, Aust) I know 3 of her children married into the ZIELKE family and another one married into the PUKALLUS family, but I have not looked into this family more. Along with the ZIELKE family, the HURLEBAUS family and another 3 families were in Bundaberg area together.... Trying to determine who the other three families were. Thanks Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9797 (20140514) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Perhaps there is someone on the list who can make use of a Death Certificate (image) that I purchased in the hope it would be of help in my Maher / Toohey research. The certificate relates to the death of an infant girl (9 months) - Mary Ann Jane McPherson, daughter of Mary Ann McPherson and Henry Powell. The death occurred on 17th September 1881 and the burial at Toowoomba Cemetery on 18th September. The child was born at Dalby, Qld - approx. January 1881. Henry Powell is noted as 'labourer', Gowrie Junction [near Toowoomba]. In the Qld BDMs the listing does not include the name of 'Henry Powell' - only the surname McPherson. If any these names are relevant to you, I would be pleased to forward you a copy. Have a nice day! Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHA; Archaeologist ~ Historian PO Box 629 Morayfield, Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au

Good morning to the List, Does anyone have this family in their tree? I need to try to eliminate them from my possible MAHER connections. Any leads from these details much appreciated. Margaret Mary TRACEY (nee MAHER) died on 09/06/1919 aged 41 years Children: William Robert b. 23/02/1899; Ethel May b. 22/04/1901; James Bernard b. 20/12/1903; Charles Edwin Powell b. 10/05/1906 - died 05/10/1907 buried in North Rockhampton Cemetery; George Recardo (Ricardo) b. 24/09/1908; Kind regards, Jennifer Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au

The bringing (or not bringing) of babies to register the birth is why we see the "present" or "not present" on certificates (not sure if we see it on the modern ones). It was saying quite literally that the baby was/wasn't present at the registration. I'm not sure that it really makes any difference to anything. It is still the parents who register the birth (not the hospital); however, most hospitals provide the parents with the forms and might send the completed forms to the registrar to assist the parents, but it's still the parents' responsibility to fill them in and ensure they get sent in. Hospitals do separately report births to the registrar for cross-registration purposes (that's where Memorandum Births "MB" come from - when the registrar is advised of a birth but no formal registration has occurred). Of course if the baby is born outside of a hospital, then it's definitely up to the parents to register it. It's those parents who forget that create those "LR" (late registrations) which often appear many years later when someone tries to get their birth certificate and, oops, there isn't a birth registration, leading to a hasty "late registration". Similarly, with deaths, the funeral director facilitates the registration but it is still the informant (usually a family member) who is doing the registration. I am not sure if any separate reporting occurs by hospitals and/or cemeteries/crematoriums, but I guess this might happen for similar reasons to the births (the registrar might not feel they can entirely rely on the families!). Having said that, has anyone ever seen a "memorandum death"? I haven't! Marriages registrations are lodged by the celebrant. Unlike births and deaths which happen through natural processes, marriage is a social construct and all celebrants are licensed, so, unlike births/deaths, it's not possible for marriages to happen outside the "view" of the government or its agents. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014 11:13 PM To: AUS NSW CC; AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com; aus-qld@rootsweb.com; AUSTRALIA@rootsweb.com; aus-chinese@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Recording BDMs in England I wonder if many of you saw a program on the ABC tonight 'Births , Deaths & Marriages registry at the Borough of Westminster, London ??? The 2 aspects I found of greatest interest was the parents bringing their babies to the Registry to register their birth and other folk just verbally in person registering deaths. Not sure of the ins & outs of other States but in NSW its the funeral director for a death & the hospital who sends the birth info thru to the BDM Registry. Was a very interesting program. If you missed it you can catch up via ABC IView. Bye MargM List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Have recorded this show but have not viewed this as yet. In Qld, the hospital, midwives, doctors or a person present at the birth may now send electronically, information regarding births to the local courthouse. No doubt this is to make sure parents register their child's birth. Parents are then given a certain time to officially register the birth and this can be done at the local Courthouse or post to Brisbane. Deaths are registered by undertakers within 14 days and marriages by official marriage celebrants & clergy on your behalf. England registrations started with the local parish church until 1837. In late 1837, official registration began at the local district Registrars (similar to our Courthouses) within the Shires . All information from all over England regarding births, deaths and marriages from 1837 to the present can be seen at the General Registry Office in London (not too sure of present address). I went there in 1992 and the public could look up the indexes in these large volumes (would have been around 60cm long and very heavy). You could also get this information at the local registry office. What you find in these volumes is exactly what you see on freebmd.org.uk. Unfortunately no parents or precise date is given and sometimes you have to buy the certificate to ascertain if the person is actually the one you want. For Family Historians with English ancestry, it is a wonderful place to visit. Regards Margaret Kelly Sandstone Point Qld

Hello Marg, I watched it and also thought it quite curious to administer registrations that way. In SA the Funeral Director registered the deaths in our family, not sure about the births, but suspect that also comes from the hospital. Our marriage in 1979 was registered by the person conducting the marriage. It appears the English system differs from ours in that the boroughs do their own registrations, rather than state-wide as here. Probably due to the larger population? Regards Mary Ann -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014 10:43 PM To: AUS NSW CC; AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com; aus-qld@rootsweb.com; AUSTRALIA@rootsweb.com; aus-chinese@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Recording BDMs in England I wonder if many of you saw a program on the ABC tonight 'Births , Deaths & Marriages registry at the Borough of Westminster, London ??? The 2 aspects I found of greatest interest was the parents bringing their babies to the Registry to register their birth and other folk just verbally in person registering deaths. Not sure of the ins & outs of other States but in NSW its the funeral director for a death & the hospital who sends the birth info thru to the BDM Registry. Was a very interesting program. If you missed it you can catch up via ABC IView. Bye MargM List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if many of you saw a program on the ABC tonight 'Births , Deaths & Marriages registry at the Borough of Westminster, London ??? The 2 aspects I found of greatest interest was the parents bringing their babies to the Registry to register their birth and other folk just verbally in person registering deaths. Not sure of the ins & outs of other States but in NSW its the funeral director for a death & the hospital who sends the birth info thru to the BDM Registry. Was a very interesting program. If you missed it you can catch up via ABC IView. Bye MargM List Admin

Does anyone have any of these Familys in their tree May Reubena BAILEY born 1885 Qld.. married 1942 died in 1978 as May Reubena MACKAY Lillian BAILEY born 1878 married 1900 died as Lillian CUNNING in 1965 cheers Jan

Does anyone have any of the following people in their Family.... If you ...could you please contact me off list........ someone is trying to contact a member of any of the Families of these people Reuben Bailey - Born 25th April 1847, Died 21st April 1899 in South Africa Jane Bailey - Born 28th January 1856, Died 23rd December 1932 in Rockhampton They were married in Gladstone QLD, 28th of February 1874 Mary Catherine Bailey, Born 29th November 1874 Married 10th June 1895 Died 18th July 1946 Lillian Bailey, Born 16th June 1878 Married 27th December 1900 Died 12th January 1965 Arthur William Henry Bailey, Born 27th May 1880 Died 12th May 1885 at Norton Reuben John Bailey, Born 4th November 1882 Died 18th July 1946 at Tambo May Reubena Bailey, Born 24th May 1885 Married 17th February 1942 in Rockhampton Died 6th May 1978 in Rockhampton Bertram Bryan Bailey, Born 18th September 1887 Died 12th April 1902 Calliope Charles George Bailey, Born 16th August, 1892 Married 29th July 1913 Died 12th June 1937 Albert Ernest Bailey, Born 7th March 1897 Married 1st January 1924 in Rockhampton. Died ? Cheers Jan

Thank you June, yes it is the correct one. Your help is very much appreciated. Regards Pam in Brisbane From: June Pickering <junepick@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] BIRTH LOOKUP PLEASE To: aus-qld <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Hello Pam, Jean Olive Acworth born: 7th May 1915/B040540. Father: Arthur Herbert. Mother: Jeannie Annabella Anderson. Hope this is the correct one. June.

Hello Pam, Jean Olive Acworth born: 7th May 1915/B040540. Father: Arthur Herbert. Mother: Jeannie Annabella Anderson. Hope this is the correct one. June. > From: pamjdale@bigpond.net.au > To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 02:51:23 +1000 > CC: aus-qld-brisbane-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-QLD] BIRTH LOOKUP PLEASE

Hello Does anyone have the CD of Qld births up to 1919. I am looking for the birth of Jean Olive Acworth who was born about 1915. She died in 1942 aged 28. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Pam in Brisbane

Marg, I would be happy to do it however I am laid up in hospital at the moment if you are not in a rush I can do it asap for you Sue > > Evening all > > Hoping that someone may frequent the Qld State Archives and be able to get a couple of copies please.

Evening all Hoping that someone may frequent the Qld State Archives and be able to get a couple of copies please. I have 3 Wills/ Intestacy files that I would like to get a copy of the death certificate if available and also the actual wills. I have the names, dates of death and where the death occurred. Just a photo and forwarded via email would be perfect. I am very restricted with my visits so I would be ever so grateful for the help. Can forward details if you are able to help. Kind thanks Marg. I 

Hi Margaret Thanks! Chris On 26/04/2014 8:10 AM, Margaret S wrote: > Morning Chris > I have been able to find Ronald & Marie living at Macknade in 1959. He was a labourer and Marie was home duties. Just in case you don't know Macknade is a small township outside of Ingham. > > The Anglican church wall that you mentioned is for the placement of ashes at the New Ingham Cemetery. > > As I am from Ingham originally this name does ring a bell and will ask my older family members if they remember anything. > > Hope this helps a little and will let you know if I can find out anything. > > Kind regards. > Marg > On Friday, 25 April 2014 8:08 PM, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hi > > I have the above couple in my tree. Ronald Keith Smith is a son of my > great Aunt Emma SMITH nee Kapernick, from Flagstone Creek, Qld. This is > the information I have been given by a daughter: > > 1. Ronald Keith SMITH b. Abt 30 Nov 1930 d. 18 Nov 1970 buried: 24 Nov > 1970 Ingham Lawn Cemetery, Ingham, Qld > m .Marie Jean MOORE b. Abt 30 Nov 1930 d. 5 Oct 1974 buried Anglican > Church Wall (whatever that means) > > I would presume the information given by a daughter is correct, but I > still have been trying to verify the information. I have tried > Hinchinbrook Council's online burial Index and cannot find a record for > either them. There is no death for a Ronald Keith SMITH in the online > Historical Index. I cannot find an obituary for them. I have found a > death registration for a Marie Jean SMITH on the Historical Index in > 1981, with her being given as the daughter of Henry William Phillip > MOORE and Irene Isabelle LEESON. I have ordered the certificate in case > it is the correct one. > > It just seems to be strange that there is no source available backing up > any of the information provided. He moved away from the Lockyer and > Toowoomba where the majority of the Kapernick/Smith descendants are > located, and there has been little contact between the families. My mum > seems to think that Ron left his wife, so maybe they don't even know > when he died? Other family members (brother and sister) know he died, > but cannot remember "when". > > Does anyone else have any information on Ronald Keith SMITH and his wife > Marie Jean nee MOORE? Can anyone else verify any of this information? > > > Warm Regards > > > Chris > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thousands of British Pathe news reels have been up loaded to YouTube Check out http://tinyurl.com/lppczwt These go back to the time of around a 7 day news cycle when you had to go to the cinema to see news events ! Enjoy MargM List Admin