Death and Funeral Notices - Maryborough Chronicle dated Thursday, 1st September, 1977: BARTLETT, Ivy Sophy Of 8 Corser Street, Point Vernon, at Base Hospital, Maryborough, on August 30, 1977, Ivy Sophy, beloved wife of Thomas William Bartlett, dearly loved mother, mother-in-law, grandmother and great-grandmother of Dorothy and Owen Wagner (Tannymorel), Agnes and Aub Jenner (Comboyne), May and Keith Bradford (Dalby), Len and Hazel Nelson (Southport), Isabel Taylor (Newhaven), Freda and Eric Jukes (Biggenden), Lynn and Bill Brook (Dalby), Dawn and Neils Jensen (Tannymorel), and their families, John and Ronald Nelson (deceased). Aged 82 years. BARTLETT, Ivy Sophy. The relatives and friends of the late Ivy Sophy Bartlett, beloved wife of Thomas William Bartlett, of 8 Corser Street, Point Vernon, are invited to attend her funeral to move from the Seventh Day Adventist Church, Torquay Road, Scarness, today (Thursday) after a Salvation Army service commencing at 11 am for interment in the Polson Garden of Rest Cemetery. NOTE: There is a William Thomas BARTLETT (not Thomas William as above) who died 20 September, 1982, aged 89 years, not buried until 4th October 1982 also at Polson Garden of Rest Cemetery. There is not a death notice, nor a funeral notice for him in the Maryborough Chronicle/Fraser Coast Chronicle. Janet Hervey Bay

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qldhbfha/Poulson2009smaller/Bartlett%20Ivy %20Polson%20Cem%20Pt%20Vernon,Qld%20%28Small%29.jpg Ivy Sophy BARTLETT, Polson Cemetery. Jenelle.

Morning all I am wondering if anyone has ever done an in depth search for Christof SCHUL[T]Z who died at Mackay in 1905? He was married to Rose BAIER. I just happen to have him in my data base with no connections to any of my lines. I would like to know where in Germany his family came from. Regards Bev PS Just bit the bullet and installed FTM 2014 [after having FTM 11], one needs the Internet to install as the program is now put out by Ancestry. I must say it is the best thing since sliced bread. Which is why I am now chasing families and links that I never thought I would. At the top of the main page that one enters data [this is for those who do not know] one has a Pedigree Tree which gives room to include 4 generations. Now these little boxes are just screaming to be filled in aren't they? I am also having to clean up an awful lot of families because it shows a lot more detail on that front page, so little boxes left empty need to be filled in. I am so thrilled that I lashed out and bought the new program and not re-loaded FTM 11 onto this new computer.

http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/Killarney-Warwick/inde x.php?image=DH2-0392.JPG Kerry this is Charles Nelson, Ivy Sophy (Sophia/Sophie) nee WELLS Husband. Jenelle.

Kerry I found the burial yesterday of Charles Nelson her 2nd husband in the killarney cemetery, (internment.net), then found the headstone on the chapel hill cemetery site, on his headstone photo it says that Ivy Sophy interred Hervey Bay. Next I went into the Fraser Coast Council cemetery web site and searched there, the burial details for Ivy are there, then I checked the Queensland BDM site, it was the right one, then I found her plaque. I'm going to send Croydon this information today. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 7:09 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Jenelle, can you double-check which website you found it on? It's just that I checked the Polson cemetery photos myself and it's not on our website as far as I know. We have photographed and indexed all of Polson's monumental sections but not all the lawn grave sections and I'd expect a 1977 burial to be most likely in the lawn grave section, unless there was already a family plot in the monumental section. Kerry

Fraser Coast Council Burial Record: PERSONAL DETAILS DETAILS LAST NAME Bartlett OTHER NAMES Ivy (sophy) GENDER Female AGE 82 AGE UNIT BIRTHPLACE Killarney Qld DATE OF BIRTH DATE OF DEATH 30/08/1977 DATE OF BURIAL 01/09/1977 CEMETERY DETAILS DETAILS CEMETERY Polson Cemetery ADDRESS Corser Street, Point Vernon BURIAL TYPE DIVISION C SECTION Garden of Rest PLOT/NICHE 10 Janet -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Raymond Sent: 21 May, 2014 07:08 To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Jenelle, can you double-check which website you found it on? It's just that I checked the Polson cemetery photos myself and it's not on our website as far as I know. We have photographed and indexed all of Polson's monumental sections but not all the lawn grave sections and I'd expect a 1977 burial to be most likely in the lawn grave section, unless there was already a family plot in the monumental section. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 2:35 PM To: 'Janet'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Her headstone photo is also on the chapel hill site along with her 2nd husband William Thomas BARTLETT. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 2:09 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qldhbfha/Poulson2009smaller/PoulsenListnew 2.htm Her headstone is on the above site. I will get her death/funeral notice tomorrow, hopefully it is in the local paper. Janet Hervey Bay -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: 20 May, 2014 13:56 To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Ivy Sophie/Sophia/Sophy NELSON (nee WELLS) 2nd married name BARTLETT is buried in the Polson cemetery under Ivy (Sophy) BARTLETT 30 August, 1977, the Queensland death index on line shows her parents as James Belsham WELLS and Elizabeth Harrie NOYES, Registration Number C4962, the council records show her as being born Killarney. Regards Jenelle McCarrick Townsville jmac2005@tpg.com.au Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jenelle, can you double-check which website you found it on? It's just that I checked the Polson cemetery photos myself and it's not on our website as far as I know. We have photographed and indexed all of Polson's monumental sections but not all the lawn grave sections and I'd expect a 1977 burial to be most likely in the lawn grave section, unless there was already a family plot in the monumental section. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 2:35 PM To: 'Janet'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Her headstone photo is also on the chapel hill site along with her 2nd husband William Thomas BARTLETT. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 2:09 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qldhbfha/Poulson2009smaller/PoulsenListnew 2.htm Her headstone is on the above site. I will get her death/funeral notice tomorrow, hopefully it is in the local paper. Janet Hervey Bay -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: 20 May, 2014 13:56 To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Ivy Sophie/Sophia/Sophy NELSON (nee WELLS) 2nd married name BARTLETT is buried in the Polson cemetery under Ivy (Sophy) BARTLETT 30 August, 1977, the Queensland death index on line shows her parents as James Belsham WELLS and Elizabeth Harrie NOYES, Registration Number C4962, the council records show her as being born Killarney. Regards Jenelle McCarrick Townsville jmac2005@tpg.com.au Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Well I think it's fair to say we've tracked Ivy Sophie NELSON nee WELLS for certain periods of her life. The missing gap is of course when she is supposed to have been married to Cecil Linden SLOANE. Her early years and her later years are known.  My previous idea of her being friendly with one of Ivy's daughters doesn't appear to be correct as all the girls were married by that time and there would be no reason to put on WW2 records being his wife if she wasn't perhaps that or his defacto at that time.  My suggestion to Croydon would be to try Births/Deaths & Marriages and request a search for any marriages for Cecil & Ivy from 1939 - 1942, there will be a fee to do this and perhaps you will need to tell them the reason for the search etc etc.  https://www.qld.gov.au/contact-us/   at worst they can say NO.  On his marriage to Dorothy Joyce Polzin in 1945 did he declare he was a bachelor ???? If there was never a marriage then following Ivy is really of no use. Next step would be try again to find his birth in Canada or follow that lead to New Zealand and make sure it is indeed incorrect. The problem is really if he lied once how many other fibs were told in those early days. Also if the death of his parents could be located in Canada maybe a death certificate for either parent might list his name and also give more information about siblings.  Really tough problem. Good Luck.  Charmaine Hi, I decided to read his army records as well, I don't think he got married on 22- 9-1941 as he was already supposed to have been married at the time of his enlistment which was 26 June 1941 so the date written in red is the date the address for the wife was adjusted. (my thoughts only) If they did marry it was after the cut off available for marriages to search and 26 June 1941, as Jan said if there was a marriage there will have been a divorce so Ivy could then married William Thomas BARTLETT by 1949. 1-Ivy Sophie Wells b. 14 Aug 1895, d. 30 Aug 1977, Q'land, bur. 1 Sep 1977,   Polsen Garden Of Rest Cemetery, Hervey Bay.  + Charles Christian Nelson b. 1884, m. 18 Oct 1910, Q'land, d. 13 Aug 1938,   bur. Killarney Cemetery, par. Charles Nelson and Hannah Mariah Hansen Regards, Charmaine

Her headstone photo is also on the chapel hill site along with her 2nd husband William Thomas BARTLETT. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 2:09 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qldhbfha/Poulson2009smaller/PoulsenListnew 2.htm Her headstone is on the above site. I will get her death/funeral notice tomorrow, hopefully it is in the local paper. Janet Hervey Bay -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: 20 May, 2014 13:56 To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Ivy Sophie/Sophia/Sophy NELSON (nee WELLS) 2nd married name BARTLETT is buried in the Polson cemetery under Ivy (Sophy) BARTLETT 30 August, 1977, the Queensland death index on line shows her parents as James Belsham WELLS and Elizabeth Harrie NOYES, Registration Number C4962, the council records show her as being born Killarney. Regards Jenelle McCarrick Townsville jmac2005@tpg.com.au Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qldhbfha/Poulson2009smaller/PoulsenListnew2.htm Her headstone is on the above site. I will get her death/funeral notice tomorrow, hopefully it is in the local paper. Janet Hervey Bay -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: 20 May, 2014 13:56 To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] IVY SOPHIE/SOPHIA /SOPHY NELSON (NEE WELLS) Ivy Sophie/Sophia/Sophy NELSON (nee WELLS) 2nd married name BARTLETT is buried in the Polson cemetery under Ivy (Sophy) BARTLETT 30 August, 1977, the Queensland death index on line shows her parents as James Belsham WELLS and Elizabeth Harrie NOYES, Registration Number C4962, the council records show her as being born Killarney. Regards Jenelle McCarrick Townsville jmac2005@tpg.com.au Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ivy Sophie/Sophia/Sophy NELSON (nee WELLS) 2nd married name BARTLETT is buried in the Polson cemetery under Ivy (Sophy) BARTLETT 30 August, 1977, the Queensland death index on line shows her parents as James Belsham WELLS and Elizabeth Harrie NOYES, Registration Number C4962, the council records show her as being born Killarney. Regards Jenelle McCarrick Townsville jmac2005@tpg.com.au

This is the burial for Ivy Sophia Nelson's husband Charles, it says she is interred in the Hervey Bay Cemetery, (under what surname, it doesn't say), it might pay to get any funeral notices for their children, she was also involved in a bad car accident in Killarney in 1940, see trove.nla.gov.au Jenelle. http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/Killarney-Warwick/

Do you have Cecil Linden Sloane's death cert, his death is shown as 1973 with a Brisbane reg no., parents as Cecil George Sloane and Ethel May Walsh. Also Cyril james Wells is shown as born Middlesex, London, marriage to Georgina Mary Pitt, 1927, (there are trees on line through ancestry), as well as if you google Cyril james Wells and Georgina Mary Pitt, there is a chap called Albert Abel researching this family. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Croydon Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 3:09 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ivy Sophie Wells( Nelson) Cecil Linden Sloane To all of the people who so far have looked at the above subject we have earlier listed may we thank you for your help. I will expand on this subject further in the hope that you all may be able to help me as I would like to be able to unlock my Fathers past, something that is very important to me and my wife Jan. When my Father, Cecil Linden Sloane listed as his wife Ivy Sophie Sloane as his wife next of kin, it is possible that this was as Charmaine suggested that his relationship was possibly to one of her daughters and he was offered the chance to list Ivy as his next of kin for convenience sake. If there was a marriage to Ivy then so far we have not been able to prove this.We would appreciate any help in this matter. Another researcher mentioned that they had come across a Cecil Sloane as being born at Mt. Eden in New Zealand in March 1913. This is very interesting as on my Mothers marriage certificate to Cecil Linden Sloane October 1945 he listed his birthday as the 8th March 1913 Mt. Eden New Zealand and his parents Cecil George Sloane and Ethel May Walsh. Another interesting point is according to a cut out from the Toowoomba Chronicle where the engagement notice of Cecil to my Mother Dorothy Joyce Polzin Highfields he here listed Regina Canada as his birth place.Given that he had listed 18th February 1908 Regina as his birthday on his Army enlistment June 1941 at Brisbane you can see how confusing this all has become.I would appreciate any help in this. When my Father Cecil Linden Sloane enlisted for service at Port Moresby in July 1942 he listed his permanent address as East Street Rockhampton yet 13 months earlier he listed his address as Russell Street Brisbane for both himself as well as Ivy Sophie Wells who had by this time moved to Flinders Street Townsville as listed on his Army papers. Ivy's brother Cyril James Wells married to Georgina( maiden name unknown ) enlisted for Army service at Rockhampton so I thought perhaps this was a connection only to find out Cyril and his wife listed their place of address as Gladstone. I would very much like to find out as to what was then the connection of East Street Rockhampton for my Father. It had always been my belief that my Father was born in Regina Canada with his Father as a chemist who owned a number of drug stores under the family name of Sloane, with his parents as devout Catholics and a couple of their children joining the religious order with my Father leaving home at a early age, somehow getting to N.Z. and then later onto to Australia. I do have a holy card sent to Dad from his sister Revielle. It reads, To my dear Brother Linden wishing you a happy Xmas. There is no date or address. There is another holy card which reads Wishing dear Linden a very happy birthday, Fondest love, from Gladys. Again there is no date or address. Any help from anyone will be very much appreciated. Regards, Croydon and Jan. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all of the people who so far have looked at the above subject we have earlier listed may we thank you for your help. I will expand on this subject further in the hope that you all may be able to help me as I would like to be able to unlock my Fathers past, something that is very important to me and my wife Jan. When my Father, Cecil Linden Sloane listed as his wife Ivy Sophie Sloane as his wife next of kin, it is possible that this was as Charmaine suggested that his relationship was possibly to one of her daughters and he was offered the chance to list Ivy as his next of kin for convenience sake. If there was a marriage to Ivy then so far we have not been able to prove this.We would appreciate any help in this matter. Another researcher mentioned that they had come across a Cecil Sloane as being born at Mt. Eden in New Zealand in March 1913. This is very interesting as on my Mothers marriage certificate to Cecil Linden Sloane October 1945 he listed his birthday as the 8th March 1913 Mt. Eden New Zealand and his parents Cecil George Sloane and Ethel May Walsh. Another interesting point is according to a cut out from the Toowoomba Chronicle where the engagement notice of Cecil to my Mother Dorothy Joyce Polzin Highfields he here listed Regina Canada as his birth place.Given that he had listed 18th February 1908 Regina as his birthday on his Army enlistment June 1941 at Brisbane you can see how confusing this all has become.I would appreciate any help in this. When my Father Cecil Linden Sloane enlisted for service at Port Moresby in July 1942 he listed his permanent address as East Street Rockhampton yet 13 months earlier he listed his address as Russell Street Brisbane for both himself as well as Ivy Sophie Wells who had by this time moved to Flinders Street Townsville as listed on his Army papers. Ivy's brother Cyril James Wells married to Georgina( maiden name unknown ) enlisted for Army service at Rockhampton so I thought perhaps this was a connection only to find out Cyril and his wife listed their place of address as Gladstone. I would very much like to find out as to what was then the connection of East Street Rockhampton for my Father. It had always been my belief that my Father was born in Regina Canada with his Father as a chemist who owned a number of drug stores under the family name of Sloane, with his parents as devout Catholics and a couple of their children joining the religious order with my Father leaving home at a early age, somehow getting to N.Z. and then later onto to Australia. I do have a holy card sent to Dad from his sister Revielle. It reads, To my dear Brother Linden wishing you a happy Xmas. There is no date or address. There is another holy card which reads Wishing dear Linden a very happy birthday, Fondest love, from Gladys. Again there is no date or address. Any help from anyone will be very much appreciated. Regards, Croydon and Jan.

Thanks Charmaine. From: Charmaine Researcher <charmaine_researcher@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] TOOWOOMBA GARDEN OF REMEMBRANCE To: "aus-qld@rootsweb.com" <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Hi Pam, There is a CD done on the Garden of Remembrance but it only goes til 2004 from memory and isn't of headstones just details of burial/cremation dates, age if known etc. I have a cd and there are a number of other Bates at the garden. ? http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS.html ============================================== BATES, Dawson James of Toowoomba, taken into God's care on 31 August, 2006, aged 65 years. Forever loved husband of Shirley, and very much loved father of Joanne, Cameron, Julie and Andrew. Loving father-in-law, grandfather, and great grandfather of their families. Family and friends are warmly invited to attend a Celebration of DAWSON'S Life, to be held at St John's Presbyterian Church, corner Geddes and Cranley Streets, Toowoomba, commencing at 10.30 a.m. TODAY (Monday, 4.9.2006) then proceeding to the Garden of Remembrance Cemetery, Ruthven Street (south). Flowers or donations to the Leprosy Mission would be appreciated, envelopes available at the door. ``At Peace with God'' Location: Toowoomba | Published Date: 04 Sep 2006 ====================== BATES, Dawson. - ASHLAR MASONIC LODGE NUMBER 127 The Worshipfull Master requests members to attend the funeral of their late brother DAWSON BATES to move as per family notice. Location: Toowoomba | Published Date: 02 Sep 2006? =========================== Regards, Charmaine From: "Pam Dale" <pamjdale@bigpond.net.au> Does anyone have access to headstone photos of people buried in Toowoomba Garden of Remembrance? I am looking for Dawson James BATES who died 31 August 2006 age 65. His funeral was Monday 4 September 2006.

One thing that has to be considered is that people may have described themselves as being "married" or "divorced" some time before the actual wedding or divorce took place. That is, if a man and woman were living together, they may have told people they were married even though they weren't, because their arrangements were not socially acceptable otherwise. For example, a landlord might have been unwilling to rent to an unmarried couple. Similarly, if a married couple had separated and one was "dating" another person, it might be more socially acceptable to the other person (and their relatives and friends) if the married person said they were divorced, even if that event had yet to occur. And, conversely, if being divorced was a problem in some other circumstance (remembering that many in society disapproved of divorce and Catholics did not accept it), a divorced person might prefer to say they were still married and the spouse was elsewhere for some good reason (e.g. at sea, caring for a sick relative, etc). Quite simply, people often lied about their marital status if there was an advantage to doing so. So when people have "complicated" relationships, don't assume what they say about their status is necessarily the truth. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doug & Jan Sent: Sunday, 18 May 2014 9:18 AM To: 'Charmaine Researcher'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ivy Sophie Wells (Nelson) & Cecil Linden Sloane Hi again I had another look at the Army records on the line where it says Are you Married Single or Widowed in red it has D and I cant quite make out what follows it but then a number 7380 and the date 22/9/1941... what do you think the number refers to .. He was still married on 10th July 1942 when he went to Port Moresby and he fill out new paperwork,and Ivy was living in Flinders Street Townsville.. so that narrows down the search for the divorce... There is a SLOAN V SLOAN in the Newspapers but I think it would be too late as Cecel married again in 1945 and this is November 1945. the online divorces only go up to 1894 ...but you can order the files at the Archives... Croydon have you tried to contact Ivy's Children's Families there is a tree on the World Connect site that has Charles NELSON and Ivy WELLS perhaps if you contacted the tree owner you may find out more .... someone may know Ivys Story....... it looks like this tree owner is an Albert ABEL.may be worth a try.. There is also another person who is researching Ivys Dau Agnes Florence and her Husband Aubrey JENNER on the same site On Genes Reunited there are two people researching Agnes NELSON born 1913 in Killarney Qld. and 3 people researching Ivy WELLS born 1895 in Qld. 2 have her born in Killarney if you havent got a subscription to Genes reunited I can send an enquiry for you just let me know Cheers Jan Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the past ... The baby of a woman who is married is presumed to have her husband as the father (and his surname was used for the baby). The birth index will show an entry under the father's surname. However, if the married woman denies that her husband is the father, then she is treated the same as an unmarried woman who has a baby. If an unmarried woman has a baby, it is registered in her name, unless the father acknowledges his paternity. If there is a father on the certificate, his surname was used for the baby. If there was no father, the mother's surname was used. In this case, there is always a birth index for the mother's surname (usually not showing the father's name) and ALSO a birth index for the father's surname, showing both parents. This recognises the reality that a child born in circumstances may grow up using either of the surnames. In recent times ... (not quite sure when though) ... The same general principles apply, but the surname of the child is now at the discretion of the parents (as named on the certificate). The surname can be either that of the mother, that of the father, or a hyphenation of both in either order. The father's surname or hyphenation is not an option unless the father has acknowledged paternity (or paternity is assumed by marriage). As we don't have indexes for the recent period, I am not sure how they will be indexed when that time comes -- I guess potentially a birth could be indexed three times: mother's surname, father's surname and a hyphenated surname, as all three could be different. What's in a name? :-) -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorrae J Sent: Sunday, 18 May 2014 8:24 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Whose surname does the baby take? Morning All On the registration of the birth of the baby, the surname of the baby is usually the father's, unless he is not named. Therefore, in the modern era, would I be right in 'assuming' for an unmarried couple in Qld, that if the father does not sign the birth certificate, then the baby takes the mother's surname. Example, Ada DAVIS is married to BUCHANAN, and that marriage disolves, perhaps through death, or separate etc. Ada then has a baby to Joe BLOGGS, but they are not married. If Joe does not sign that form, the baby will take the surname of the mother. The legal surname of the mother is still BUCHANAN. If Ada was not married to BUCHANAN, then the baby would be DAVIS. AS I understand it, the surname of the birth certificate of an unmarried mother will be her legal surname, unless the father signs the form. Have I got that right? So complicated. This is the way it use to be, and I am asking if it is still the same, OR if the unmarried mother can give the child a different surname? In the 1990's, my former sister in law had more children after she separated from my brother. These children carry my brother's surname, as that was her legal surname and the father did not sign the form!! I have other examples too, but was trying to determine if that was still so. Thanks Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9814 (20140517) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sorry about the cross posting, and not strictly relevant to the South-East Qld list, but HOGAN descendants do marry into the German families. I am interested in making connections with descendants of Raymond HOGAN who d. 24 Dec 1979 Qld and was buried in the Helidon Catholic Cemetery. He was aged 49, at the time according to his tombstone, and while his wife's name is given on the tombstone she could be living. I believe Raymond has three living children. One of them married into the CZISLOWSKI family from Helidon, who are related to me, having common ancestors in the KAPERNICKS. I am in touch with one of his daughters, but maybe there is someone else out there connected with the family who has that one extra bit of information that would prove useful. I would like to take the family back one or two generations, completing the brothers and sisters in each, and make sure I have complete information on the line that does marry into my KAPERNICK tree. Many thanks! Warm Regards Chris Schmidt

Hi Sorry about multiple cross posting. Too late to make it into the book I am completing, but I might as well see if I can tie up some loose ends for future editions this week. I have in my database the following: 1. Paul REYNOLDS d. 1952 Helidon, Qld m. Elizabeth MILLER d.1969 Gatton, Queensland, Australia 2. Leo REYNOLDS 18 Apr 1925 Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia d. 20 Feb 1977 Bd: Helidon Catholic Cemetery m. Eileen Mary KEARNEY b. 19 Mar 1931 Warwick, Queensland, Australia d. 6 Apr 2006 Toowoomba, Qld Buried: Helidon Catholic Cemetery, Helidon, Queensland, Australia Father: Thomas KEARNEY Mother: Mary Ellen O'BRIEN. I have Leo REYNOLDS and his wife Ellen having eight children all of whom are alive as far as I know. There are six girls and two boys. One of the girls married into the SMITH family from Stockyard Creek, a descendant of Norman Edgar SMITH and Martha Emma KAPERNICK. Emma is a sister to my maternal grandfather. Therefore, while I am not related to the REYNOLDS family as such, I am related to the living descendants of the SMITH-REYNOLDS-KAPERNICK branch. As it is my habit to go back on lines that marry into my family I would like to complete any extra children of Paul REYNOLDS and Elizabeth MILLER, and perhaps one generation further back. I would also like a couple of generations on Thomas KEARNEY's family to make any additional connections. Off list, anyone can also update on the living descendants of the SMITH-KAPERNICK-REYNOLDS line. If anyone can help please get back to me. I would really appreciate it. Warm Regards Chris Schmidt

Hi again I had another look at the Army records on the line where it says Are you Married Single or Widowed in red it has D and I cant quite make out what follows it but then a number 7380 and the date 22/9/1941... what do you think the number refers to .. He was still married on 10th July 1942 when he went to Port Moresby and he fill out new paperwork,and Ivy was living in Flinders Street Townsville.. so that narrows down the search for the divorce... There is a SLOAN V SLOAN in the Newspapers but I think it would be too late as Cecel married again in 1945 and this is November 1945. the online divorces only go up to 1894 ...but you can order the files at the Archives... Croydon have you tried to contact Ivy's Children's Families there is a tree on the World Connect site that has Charles NELSON and Ivy WELLS perhaps if you contacted the tree owner you may find out more .... someone may know Ivys Story....... it looks like this tree owner is an Albert ABEL.may be worth a try.. There is also another person who is researching Ivys Dau Agnes Florence and her Husband Aubrey JENNER on the same site On Genes Reunited there are two people researching Agnes NELSON born 1913 in Killarney Qld. and 3 people researching Ivy WELLS born 1895 in Qld. 2 have her born in Killarney if you havent got a subscription to Genes reunited I can send an enquiry for you just let me know Cheers Jan