Hello Val, The only 3 people by the name of Mary STAGG living in Somerset for the 1861 census are not applicable - all married women. Maybe she moved out of Somerset. I can not find your Mary STAGG arriving Brisbane on the "Young Australia" 12th August 1862, having trawled through the Qld Immigration records for that particular voyage, so where did you get that information ? Qld death records have her father as George STAGG, and says she is aged 80 years in 1921, which gives her a birth year of 1841. These are the only births for a Mary STAGG between the years of 1837 and 1841 with a father called George STAGG. Mary born 1839 - location Montacute, Yeovil, Somerset Mary born 1838 - location Stoke under Hamdon, Yeovil, Somerset - have her in 1841 and 1851 census (already posted to you) Mary Ann born 1837 - location Great Bedwyn, Hungerford, Wiltshire Mary born 1838 - location Marlborough St Peter, Marlborough, Wiltshire Let me know if you want me to chase these through the English census records. Cheers Janet jmartin17@gmail.com

Wynnette..... Thank you for your input.......good thinking !! Can`t say that I can see anything likely. The fact that her brother William arrived the same year but on the "Sultana" is a little strange......you would think that they would travel together. Must try to get to the Archives or Library to look at the "Young Australia" passenger list.......she may have come with relatives or friends. William travelled with his wife and infant daughter. Thomas and Mary Ann Lee settled in the Dalby district......as did William and Eli*a Stagg. A lot of questions to be answered. Thanks again Wynnette.......I will keep hammering away. Cheers, Val. On 7/19/14, Graeme & Wynnette Ford via <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Val, > > Just a thought. > > If Janet found her in the 1851 census, perhaps looking in the 1861 and 1871 > census' might prove if the Mary with the Brigg family is still there or not > in those years. (Servants often stayed in the same family for a very long > time.) > > Or see if you can find another Mary STAGG of the right age in the same or > nearby area. That would at least eliminate her from being the one who > arrived in 1862 and married in 1863. > > And, I am sure you already know that the spelling of any one name is > "optional". > > If I wrote down all the variations of my ancestors' names I have seen > written, both in original and transcribed form, they would fill many lines. > > Between the verbal translation of the official taking names to > transcription > errors - it's all a phonetics chase....... > > Cheers, > > Wynnette. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Val Stewart via > Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2014 4:10 PM > To: Janet > Cc: aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking For Parents of Mary Ann STAGG, b.1837 Stoke, > UK. > > Thank you Janet....... > > I hadn`t found Mary Ann with the Brigg family......I knew about it but > was given the name "Prigg"....this is probably why I didn`t find it. > > The IGI entry is the marriage of my George Stagg and Eli*abeth > Burgess.....spelt incorrectly > > I quite believe that George and Eli*abeth were the parents of this > girl but what I need to prove is.......was this the same Mary Ann > Stagg who came to Qld aboard the "Young Australia" on 12 > Aug.1862........and married Thomas See(now Lee.) 20 April 1863 in > Brisbane...... > > <snip> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7879 - Release Date: 07/18/14 > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Val, Just a thought. If Janet found her in the 1851 census, perhaps looking in the 1861 and 1871 census' might prove if the Mary with the Brigg family is still there or not in those years. (Servants often stayed in the same family for a very long time.) Or see if you can find another Mary STAGG of the right age in the same or nearby area. That would at least eliminate her from being the one who arrived in 1862 and married in 1863. And, I am sure you already know that the spelling of any one name is "optional". If I wrote down all the variations of my ancestors' names I have seen written, both in original and transcribed form, they would fill many lines. Between the verbal translation of the official taking names to transcription errors - it's all a phonetics chase....... Cheers, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Val Stewart via Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2014 4:10 PM To: Janet Cc: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking For Parents of Mary Ann STAGG, b.1837 Stoke, UK. Thank you Janet....... I hadn`t found Mary Ann with the Brigg family......I knew about it but was given the name "Prigg"....this is probably why I didn`t find it. The IGI entry is the marriage of my George Stagg and Eli*abeth Burgess.....spelt incorrectly I quite believe that George and Eli*abeth were the parents of this girl but what I need to prove is.......was this the same Mary Ann Stagg who came to Qld aboard the "Young Australia" on 12 Aug.1862........and married Thomas See(now Lee.) 20 April 1863 in Brisbane...... <snip> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7879 - Release Date: 07/18/14

Thank you Janet....... I hadn`t found Mary Ann with the Brigg family......I knew about it but was given the name "Prigg"....this is probably why I didn`t find it. The IGI entry is the marriage of my George Stagg and Eli*abeth Burgess.....spelt incorrectly I quite believe that George and Eli*abeth were the parents of this girl but what I need to prove is.......was this the same Mary Ann Stagg who came to Qld aboard the "Young Australia" on 12 Aug.1862........and married Thomas See(now Lee.) 20 April 1863 in Brisbane...... Hoping someone out there may have an answer.......or point me in the right direction. As she was born in 1837.....this makes it difficult to search online. I really appreciate you taking the time to post Janet. Kind regards, Val.. On 7/19/14, Janet <jmartin17@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Val, > - > >

Hello Val, The 1841 Census for Stoke under Hamdon, Yeovil, Somerset has - George STAGG aged 25 Ag Lab Elizabeth STAGG aged 25 Joseph STAGG aged 5 Mary STAGG aged 3 William STAGG aged 2 George remarried Susan Weakly Sept Qtr 1847, Yeovil - Vol 10 Page 813 The 1851 Census for Stoke sub Hamdon, Yeovil, Somerset has - George STAFF, married 37, Shepherd Susan STAGG, wife aged 26, Glover Joseph STAGG, son, 16, Milking Boy William STAGG, son, aged 11 Shepherd Eliza STAGG, daughter aged 9, Glover Alfred STAGG, son aged 7 Edwin STAGG, aged 5 months plus George's sister-in-law and niece - all living West Street The 1851 Census shows Mary A STAGG, aged 14, as a House maid for the BRIGG family, also living West Street The IGI has a marriage record for George STAGG to Elizabeth BERCHES 7th July 1834 Seavington-St Mary, Somerset, England. Hope the above helps you with your research. Janet

Hello members....... I am wondering if any member has proof of parentage for Mary Ann STAGG b.1837 Stoke Sub Hamdon, UK...... The parents that I have are George STAGG b.c1813 and Eli*abeth BURGESS.b.1813. Mary Ann (Stagg)Lee married and died here in Qld......father George noted on Death Image and no parents listed on Marriage Image. A decendant of Alfred STAGG ....youngest child of this family seems to think that Mary Ann does not belong in this family. 1841 Census has George & Eli*abeth with eldest son Joseph, Mary and William(my ggrandfather).......I`m pretty confident that this is her......... Anyone with any thoughts....... Cheers, Val.Stewart.

Many thanks for your clarification Jo. Much appreciated and yes, that was our Daniel that who signed the O'Shea testimonial. My main concern was why QSA continue to make this incorrect copy available? Have a pleasant evening. Jen -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Mitchell via Sent: 18 July 2014 19:07 To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ship 'JOHN FIELDEN' to Moreton Bay 1853 or 1854?IMPORTANT. Hi Jen, Yes, I am quite aware of this problem and I'm fairly sure I've mentioned it on the list before. My understanding is that the record used by the QLD State Archives is a later transcript of one of two original lists. Here is what I wrote in an email from 2005: "The other two films are AONSW reel 2136 and AONSW reel 2465. Reel 2136 I think is the original ship's register with an arrival date of 11th June, 1853. Reel 2465 is a list compiled by the immigration board and is dated June 19th 1853. " For anyone wanting to confirm this, instead of the QLD State Archives, use the NSW State Library index which include Moreton Bay arrivals prior to 1859 as this was pre-separation. The NSW records show information from one of the original registers and are therefore correct. In addition to this, I have done extensive research on the various voyages of the John Fielden which definitely arrived in Moreton Bay in 1853. As another cross check, the Moreton Bay Courier has multiple records of the John Fielden arriving in 1853. Specifically: A communication dated 22nd February, 1853 reported that the John Fielden was “on the berth, taking in passengers for Moreton Bay” (Moreton Bay Courier, 11th June, 1853). On the 18th June, 1853 the ship's arrival in Moreton Bay was reported On the 23rd June, 1853 a testimonial was published in the Courier praising the conduct of the Mr Shea, the ship's teacher. This was signed by a number of the male passengers and a list of names is given, including my Cusack ancestor and I think (but would have to check) your Daniel Tracey too Jen. I hope this clears the issue. I don't know who produced the later transcription, but it is riddled with errors. Cheers, Jo Mitchell, Geelong http://barwonblogger.blogspot.com.au/ -----Original Message----- From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:40 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Ship 'JOHN FIELDEN' to Moreton Bay 1853 or 1854?IMPORTANT. Good evening to the list, Re: Changes to the ship 'John Fielden' Immigration Index. The Qld Archives 'Immigration Index' for the ship 'John Fielden' 1854 notes that my Tracey ancestors were on board, Daniel and his wife Catherine Hayes and their sons and daughters, supposedly arriving, according the 'Register' on 19th June 1854. Daniel is noted as being aged 50 years. When one is looking at the Register - every page has had the year, '1853', crossed out and the year '1854' written over it. I have always accepted that this was correct. However in undertaking some recent research on this Tracey line, I have found that Daniel Tracey died on 4th October '1853' and was buried in Brisbane's Paddington Cemetery - he could not have arrived in 1854. He was dead! The 'John Fielden' voyage for 1853 arrived in Moreton Bay on 11th June. Has anyone else noticed this anomaly and ... who has altered the register? The name of the ship has also been changed from the 'John Sheldon' to the 'John Fielden'. Comments appreciated. Cheers, Jen Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHA; Archaeologist ~ Historian PO Box 629 Morayfield, Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7874 - Release Date: 07/18/14 Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jen, Yes, I am quite aware of this problem and I'm fairly sure I've mentioned it on the list before. My understanding is that the record used by the QLD State Archives is a later transcript of one of two original lists. Here is what I wrote in an email from 2005: "The other two films are AONSW reel 2136 and AONSW reel 2465. Reel 2136 I think is the original ship's register with an arrival date of 11th June, 1853. Reel 2465 is a list compiled by the immigration board and is dated June 19th 1853. " For anyone wanting to confirm this, instead of the QLD State Archives, use the NSW State Library index which include Moreton Bay arrivals prior to 1859 as this was pre-separation. The NSW records show information from one of the original registers and are therefore correct. In addition to this, I have done extensive research on the various voyages of the John Fielden which definitely arrived in Moreton Bay in 1853. As another cross check, the Moreton Bay Courier has multiple records of the John Fielden arriving in 1853. Specifically: A communication dated 22nd February, 1853 reported that the John Fielden was “on the berth, taking in passengers for Moreton Bay” (Moreton Bay Courier, 11th June, 1853). On the 18th June, 1853 the ship's arrival in Moreton Bay was reported On the 23rd June, 1853 a testimonial was published in the Courier praising the conduct of the Mr Shea, the ship's teacher. This was signed by a number of the male passengers and a list of names is given, including my Cusack ancestor and I think (but would have to check) your Daniel Tracey too Jen. I hope this clears the issue. I don't know who produced the later transcription, but it is riddled with errors. Cheers, Jo Mitchell, Geelong http://barwonblogger.blogspot.com.au/ -----Original Message----- From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:40 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Ship 'JOHN FIELDEN' to Moreton Bay 1853 or 1854?IMPORTANT. Good evening to the list, Re: Changes to the ship 'John Fielden' Immigration Index. The Qld Archives 'Immigration Index' for the ship 'John Fielden' 1854 notes that my Tracey ancestors were on board, Daniel and his wife Catherine Hayes and their sons and daughters, supposedly arriving, according the 'Register' on 19th June 1854. Daniel is noted as being aged 50 years. When one is looking at the Register - every page has had the year, '1853', crossed out and the year '1854' written over it. I have always accepted that this was correct. However in undertaking some recent research on this Tracey line, I have found that Daniel Tracey died on 4th October '1853' and was buried in Brisbane's Paddington Cemetery - he could not have arrived in 1854. He was dead! The 'John Fielden' voyage for 1853 arrived in Moreton Bay on 11th June. Has anyone else noticed this anomaly and ... who has altered the register? The name of the ship has also been changed from the 'John Sheldon' to the 'John Fielden'. Comments appreciated. Cheers, Jen Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHA; Archaeologist ~ Historian PO Box 629 Morayfield, Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7874 - Release Date: 07/18/14

Good evening to the list, Re: Changes to the ship 'John Fielden' Immigration Index. The Qld Archives 'Immigration Index' for the ship 'John Fielden' 1854 notes that my Tracey ancestors were on board, Daniel and his wife Catherine Hayes and their sons and daughters, supposedly arriving, according the 'Register' on 19th June 1854. Daniel is noted as being aged 50 years. When one is looking at the Register - every page has had the year, '1853', crossed out and the year '1854' written over it. I have always accepted that this was correct. However in undertaking some recent research on this Tracey line, I have found that Daniel Tracey died on 4th October '1853' and was buried in Brisbane's Paddington Cemetery - he could not have arrived in 1854. He was dead! The 'John Fielden' voyage for 1853 arrived in Moreton Bay on 11th June. Has anyone else noticed this anomaly and ... who has altered the register? The name of the ship has also been changed from the 'John Sheldon' to the 'John Fielden'. Comments appreciated. Cheers, Jen Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHA; Archaeologist ~ Historian PO Box 629 Morayfield, Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au

Ancestry now have these records on line Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923 with originals scans !!! Unsure how long these records have been there as not marked with a little red ' new' ?? Bye MargM List Admin

Hello members..... I purchased an 1863 Marriage Image this morning, hoping to get proof of parents but sadly none listed. My question.....would I have more details contained on a Certificate ? I do have death certificate listing correct father....no mother listed. Cheers, Val.

Oops, forgot to include the list. This new list configuration is very annoying. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Raymond [mailto:kraymond@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2014 10:41 AM To: 'Val Stewart' Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] 1906 Electoral Roll L/up.... Both still at Moreton Street, labourer and domestic duties. No other LEEs at that address -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2014 10:17 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] 1906 Electoral Roll L/up.... Could some kind person with the 1906 Qld E/R please do a look-up for me...... Looking for Thomas and Mary Anne LEE.....most likely at Moreton Street, Dalby. In 1903 Thomas was listed as a labourer at that address. The name "SEE" was changed to LEE after his arrival in Australia. LEE/ STAGG connection. Thank you. Val. Stewart. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could some kind person with the 1906 Qld E/R please do a look-up for me...... Looking for Thomas and Mary Anne LEE.....most likely at Moreton Street, Dalby. In 1903 Thomas was listed as a labourer at that address. The name "SEE" was changed to LEE after his arrival in Australia. LEE/ STAGG connection. Thank you. Val. Stewart.

Re the reformat of mailing list layout. I dont know if this is permanent. If you post a message / query to a list it will show the lists name as poster not you This could be a real problem particularly for subscribers who take digests ( blocks of rather than single) of messages If anyone wishes to change to single messages just let me know as can easily fix this. 1) if one hits "Reply", the reply message goes only to the sender (in this case you) with your email address in it. It DOES NOT GO TO THE LIST. The reply therefore will not show up in the list archives for future seekers to find and will not be available for future discussion unless the original sender re-posts it to the list. 2) if one selects "Reply All", the reply message WILL get sent to the list. So, to carry on the true value of these lists, to share knowledge, we have to reply to list messages with "Reply All" unless you want your reply to go to the sender only. ================== By using "Reply All" the information is shared with all and items of interest, sources of information is shared with all so aiding research ideas. Happy hunting Bye MargM List Admin

The ACT has their own BMD records - http://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-birth-marriage-and-death-records/australian-capital-territory Janet

Lorrae, NSW marriage registration shows names of parents, including mother's maiden name, and occupation of father. Certificates are also available as Transcriptions from agents - all the information on the original registration is available, but at lower cost, and much quicker. You will find them on NSW BDM site, or Google. Cheers

Thanks Charmaine This is very much appreciated. It is unfortunate that there are no parents listed. Now, as she is my great-grandmother's second cousin, is the cost of the marriage certificate really worth it!! I certainly hope the NSW marriage certificate names the parents..... Thanks everyone Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ _____ From: Charmaine Researcher [mailto:charmaine_researcher@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 13 July 2014 8:47 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Cc: Lorrae Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] 1.2.7 Mary Doyle Hi Lorrae, Yes there is an online index. 20006229 HOLLAND MARY 26/01/1969 no parents listed. http://www.ors.act.gov.au/resources/attachments/Historic_Death_Index3.pdf Cheers, Charmaine From: "Lorrae J" <lorrae@uqconnect.net> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] 1.2.7 Mary Doyle Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:27:23 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20140713041532.SUDC17495.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw06p> Thanks Jan That Mary RYAN died the following year - born 18 Feb 1875, died 5 Nov 1876 - she was born 4 months after her father died. Thus when her mother had the next child, she was named Mary also. No second names... so confusing. Does Canberra have their BDM on line yet, please? I checked trove for any notices and could not locate any yet. Thanks everyone for your replies - very much appreciated. Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 10088 (20140713) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Thanks Jan That Mary RYAN died the following year - born 18 Feb 1875, died 5 Nov 1876 - she was born 4 months after her father died. Thus when her mother had the next child, she was named Mary also. No second names... so confusing. Does Canberra have their BDM on line yet, please? I checked trove for any notices and could not locate any yet. Thanks everyone for your replies - very much appreciated. Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ _____ From: aus-qld@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, 13 July 2014 2:16 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] 1.2.7 Mary Doyle Could the Mary DOYLE Who died in 1920 be Mary RYAN born in 1875 to Francis RYAN and Elizabeth MADDEN..... perhaps after her Father died she was brought up as Mary DOYLE. and whoever was the informant did not know she was born a RYAN.. Jan -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 13 July 2014 9:22 AM To: 'Madden Connections'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] 1.2.7 Mary Doyle Hi Researchers Can I request some assistance please? 1.2.7 Mary Doyle - There is a Death Certificate stateing that Mary DOYLE, daughter of Patrick DOYLE and Elizabeth MADDEN, died in Brisbane on 14 January 1920. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 10088 (20140713) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Could the Mary DOYLE Who died in 1920 be Mary RYAN born in 1875 to Francis RYAN and Elizabeth MADDEN..... perhaps after her Father died she was brought up as Mary DOYLE. and whoever was the informant did not know she was born a RYAN.. Jan -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 13 July 2014 9:22 AM To: 'Madden Connections'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] 1.2.7 Mary Doyle Hi Researchers Can I request some assistance please? 1.2.7 Mary Doyle - There is a Death Certificate stateing that Mary DOYLE, daughter of Patrick DOYLE and Elizabeth MADDEN, died in Brisbane on 14 January 1920.

Just a couple of things to think about - 1. Madden and Ryan, are very common names, as are Patrick and Mary. It is quite possible that the 1920 death is unrelated. Or, 2, Perhaps it is. It was not uncommon to give the same forename to two or more children, especially the name Mary. Apart from the religious significance of the name Mary to the Irish RCs. in the late 1800s there was still the tendency to follow the traditional Irish naming patterns, albiet loosely. The first child/daughter of \ne of my families was named Mary (after the mother's mother) but she died in infancy. The second child/daughter was baptised Mary but was known as Bridget (the name of her mother) and marriage and death certs were in the name of Bridget. My g-grandmother's third youngest and youngest sister both had the same name, the elder one dying prior to the birth of the youngest. I keep telling myself they didn't mean to confuse us :-) Cheers