I see Qld BDM have added the extra year! Good news. Laraine

Hi Leslie Elsie Maud certainly has had a colourful life... Frank Govett married Elsie Tye in 1928 and divorced her in 1930 for misconduct with Ernest Rudolph WHEELER Frank married Ena Wilhelmina Maud GAGER in 1933 ref 1933/B15076 1934 ELECCTORAL ROLL Frank GOVETT 5 Ernest St. South Brisbane .. Builder Ena Maud Wilhelmina GOVETT 5 Ernest St South Brisbane Homeduties Elsie married Daniel WIMBUS in 1935 as Elsie GOVETT 1934 ELECTORAL ROLL cant find Elsie under TYE or GOVETT or WHEELER or WIMBUS Ernest Rudolph WHEELER died in Brisbane in 1956 ref 1956/B12515 he is also not on the 1934 roll Jan

Good morning Leslie, Nikolai NIEMINEN, aged 29, farmer; last address in the UK - Finnish Seamens Mission, Branch Road, Stepney; sailed to Melbourne on the "Osterley" in 1927. NOTE: there is another Immigration record for - NIEMINEN N., aged 23, farmer from Finland; last address in the UK - Scandinavian Sailors Home, West India Dock E, London; sailed from London 16 Aug 1924 on the "Osterley" >From his Australian Government file - letter he wrote to Govt. from the South Australian Interment Camp re a review of his interment dated 28th December 1943: he worked in Melbourne for eight months after his arrival in 1927, then was banana farming at Gympie for about 4 1/2 years, then went mining at Mt Isa for 7 years. Was working in Townsville for Main Roads when he was interned during WW II on 23rd March 1941 as an Alien because he was not naturalized. He was sent to an internment camp in South Australia. He said he wanted to bring his family out from Finland after the war. Because he was not Naturalised, that would explain why he is not on any Electoral Rolls until 1963 (By which time he had become Naturalised). Daniel WIMBUS died in 1976. Queensland Marriage records (available to the public) only go up to 1939. You could apply for a copy of his Death Certificate which should tell you where and when he was born, date of his marriage, where and to whom. Happy hunting Janet

Hi Leslie Elsie and Daniel WIMBUS were living on Buderium Mountain in 1949 his occupation is Labourer 1951 Daniel Wimbus was sentenced to 5 years jail ..to be released after 3 years perhaps Elsie divorced him then as the charge was incest According to the National Archives site Nikolai Nieminen was born in Finland...in 1944 was interned as an Alien. but later released.. he came to Australia in 1927 as you said., he mentions bringing his Family out to Australia but because of the war it didnt happen...there is a second file on Nikolai which has not yet been digitalized you can request it be done at a cost... This second file may be the report mentioned in the open file about Nikolai cheers Jan

Nikolai Nieminen was the husband of my 1st cousin twice removed. Her name was Elsie Maud Tye. He had the honor of being her third husband after Frank Govett and Daniel Wimbus Nikolai died 24 Jan 1982 in Queensland at the age of 88 which would make him born about 1894. He is buried in Cooroy Cemetery. The index of his death record says his parents were Hendrich and Hanna He was on passenger list as follows: Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963 Feb 1927-Jun 1927 Nieminen, Mr. Nicholi 3rd class leaving London arriving Melbourne c/o Mr. E. Mottenon , Cairns N. Qld. In 1963, 1968, 1972 and others he is on the electoral rolls of Fisher Widgee Queensland. He is in Cooroy and no one else with that surname is with him. In 1977 and 1980 he is on the electoral rolls of Fisher Widgee Queensland. He is in Cooroy and Elsie is living with him. Questions: When and where was Nikolai born? When and where was he married to Elsie? It was probably after Daniel Wimbus died in 1976 and before 1977 when they are together in the electoral rolls. But Wimbus and Elsie could have divorced. So it might have been a little earlier in the 1970s There are men of similar names and ages in the US. They are from Finland. Are they identical or related? Thank you Leslie Vaughn

Thanks Jenelle. i am helping a Darwin cousin with his research and William Gladstone Moore's Queensland wife, Ida Mary Thorpe, is my cousin's relative so I don't think he is really very interested in William as he and Ida separated about 1931. I was mainly trying to find out if Ida and William had any children. However, my Darwin relative has now told me he has just obtained Ida's death certificate and there are no children shown on it so she (probably) dii not have any. Unless, of course, this information was not known to the informant. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:09 PM To: 'Ian & Margaret' ; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] THORPE and MOORE This name appears in the Victoria voting list with a wife... Jenelle.

And best wishes to you and yours also, Jennifer. Ian...Sandstone Point -----Original Message----- From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:06 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com ; aus-nq@rootsweb.com ; aus-nsw-upper-lachlan@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] A Peaceful and Loving Christmas to you all May I wish you and your loved ones a most peaceful Christmas and a bright prosperous New Year. Thank you for your patience, dedication and interest in answering questions and assisting myself and others in our quest to find those elusive answers. Keep well and happy. Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association . Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I wish you and your loved ones a most peaceful Christmas and a bright prosperous New Year. Thank you for your patience, dedication and interest in answering questions and assisting myself and others in our quest to find those elusive answers. Keep well and happy. Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association . Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au

Thanks Colin...Ian -----Original Message----- From: Larter Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:58 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com ; imkelly21@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] THORPE and MOORE Ian William Gladstone MOORE Regimental number 696 Religion Church of England Occupation Labourer Address Davidson Street, South Townsville, Queensland Marital status Single Age at embarkation 20 Next of kin Mother, Mrs Eliza Moore, Davidson Street, South Townsville, Queensland Previous military service 2nd Infantry Enlistment date 29 November 1915 Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 29 May 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 41st Battalion, C Company AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/58/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A64 Demosthenes on 18 May 1916 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 51st Battalion Fate Returned to Australia 12 May 1919 Colin

Ian William Gladstone MOORE Regimental number 696 Religion Church of England Occupation Labourer Address Davidson Street, South Townsville, Queensland Marital status Single Age at embarkation 20 Next of kin Mother, Mrs Eliza Moore, Davidson Street, South Townsville, Queensland Previous military service 2nd Infantry Enlistment date 29 November 1915 Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 29 May 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 41st Battalion, C Company AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/58/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A64 Demosthenes on 18 May 1916 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 51st Battalion Fate Returned to Australia 12 May 1919 Colin On 24-Dec-14 4:43 PM, Larter via wrote: > Ian > was this his death notice > MOORE William -October 5 1953 > > 1953 at R P A Hospital of 56 Myrtle Street Stanmore aged 57 years At rest > > was this possibly his funeral The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : Wednesday > 7 October 1953 > > MOORE -The Relatives and Friends of the late WILLIAM GLADSTONE MOORE are > kindly Invited to attend his Funeral to leave Our Private | Chapel 59 > Parramatta Road Annandale This Afternoon for the Crematorium > Rookwood > > LABOR MOTOR FUNERALS > > Then another time when he was in trouble in Townsville > > > A man named William Gladstone > > Moore was before Mr. Geo. A. Cameron, P.M., at the Police Court on Fri > day morning on two charges of false pretenses, namely : That between > 29th December, 1881 and 29th February, 1932, by falsely pretending to > Harry Simpson (Labour Agent) that he was a married man living with and > sup porting his wife, obtained from the said Harry Simpson, the sum of > £5/1/3 with Intent thereby to defraud ; that between 14th March, 1932, > and 31st March, 1932, by falsely pretending to Michael Talty that he was > living with and supporting his wife at Davidson Street, South > Townsvllle, he obtained relief rations to the. value of £1/10/ with > intent to defraud. The defendant elected lo be dealt with summarily, and > pleaded guilty to each charge. Senior-Sergeant Tuoby, who prosecuted, > said the defendant was a married man living apart from his wife, and was > not supporting her. He applied for sustenance to the Labour Agent, and > was given the usual form to complete, in which he declared that he was > married and supporting his wife. Consequently he drew a mar ried man's > sustenance at the rate of £1/7/ per week, instead of 15/9, and I > continued to draw It for several weeks until he had received £5/1/3 in > excess of what he was ordinarily en titled to. With regard to the second > charge he made a similar applica tion in consequence of which he was > given relief to the value of £1/10/ in excess of what he was entitled > to. Hie wife was employed in Ipswich, and was not living with him. He > (the Senior-Sergeant) Informed the Bench that the Department in Brisbane > was looking for the defendant for a similar offence there, but bad been > unable to locate him until he made these appli cation! In Townsvllle, > and tbe records were received. In reply to tbe P.M. the defendant said > be had nothing to say. Mr. Cameron imposed a fine of £5 In each case and > ordered the resti tution of tbe respective amounts of £5/1/3 and £1/10/ > to the Department of Labour and Industry in default levy and distress, > in default three months 'Imprisonment, tbe terms to be concurrent. He > refuted a request > > Regards Colin >> Hi >> >> I would like to contact anyone with an interest in the above couple. >> >> William Gladstone MOORE married Ida Mary THORPE in Brisbane in 1924 and they lived in Davidson Street in Townsville but were separated by 1931. >> >> At the time of separation Ida was living in Ipswich. She died in 1961 in Tambo, Qld. >> >> There is a William Gladstone Moore on the New South Wales Death Index who died in 1953 who may be him as age ties in. >> >> I would like to find out if they had any children etc. >> >> Thank you >> >> Ian Kelly >> Sandstone Point Queensland >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Marg Ian -----Original Message----- From: MargM Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:25 PM To: Ian & Margaret ; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] THORPE and MOORE

Thanks Colin. Yeah that is probably his death and funeral notice as the age seems to fit him. I had found the bit about him being in trouble in Townsville and perhaps should have mentioned it earlier. Cheers ian -----Original Message----- From: Larter Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:43 PM To: Ian & Margaret ; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] THORPE and MOORE Ian was this his death notice MOORE William -October 5 1953 1953 at R P A Hospital of 56 Myrtle Street Stanmore aged 57 years At rest was this possibly his funeral The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : Wednesday 7 October 1953 MOORE -The Relatives and Friends of the late WILLIAM GLADSTONE MOORE are kindly Invited to attend his Funeral to leave Our Private | Chapel 59 Parramatta Road Annandale This Afternoon for the Crematorium Rookwood

Ian further to my last e mail NSW death registration 27402/1953 Colin On 24-Dec-14 3:02 PM, Ian & Margaret via wrote: > Hi > > I would like to contact anyone with an interest in the above couple. > > William Gladstone MOORE married Ida Mary THORPE in Brisbane in 1924 and they lived in Davidson Street in Townsville but were separated by 1931. > > At the time of separation Ida was living in Ipswich. She died in 1961 in Tambo, Qld. > > There is a William Gladstone Moore on the New South Wales Death Index who died in 1953 who may be him as age ties in. > > I would like to find out if they had any children etc. > > Thank you > > Ian Kelly > Sandstone Point Queensland > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Jenelle. I found where he served in WW 1. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:08 PM To: 'Ian & Margaret' ; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] THORPE and MOORE Ian Get the transcription for his death in NSW or check the trove., births aren't on line unfortunately. Check the ww2 roll maybe. Jenelle.

Ian was this his death notice MOORE William -October 5 1953 1953 at R P A Hospital of 56 Myrtle Street Stanmore aged 57 years At rest was this possibly his funeral The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : Wednesday 7 October 1953 MOORE -The Relatives and Friends of the late WILLIAM GLADSTONE MOORE are kindly Invited to attend his Funeral to leave Our Private | Chapel 59 Parramatta Road Annandale This Afternoon for the Crematorium Rookwood LABOR MOTOR FUNERALS Then another time when he was in trouble in Townsville A man named William Gladstone Moore was before Mr. Geo. A. Cameron, P.M., at the Police Court on Fri day morning on two charges of false pretenses, namely : That between 29th December, 1881 and 29th February, 1932, by falsely pretending to Harry Simpson (Labour Agent) that he was a married man living with and sup porting his wife, obtained from the said Harry Simpson, the sum of £5/1/3 with Intent thereby to defraud ; that between 14th March, 1932, and 31st March, 1932, by falsely pretending to Michael Talty that he was living with and supporting his wife at Davidson Street, South Townsvllle, he obtained relief rations to the. value of £1/10/ with intent to defraud. The defendant elected lo be dealt with summarily, and pleaded guilty to each charge. Senior-Sergeant Tuoby, who prosecuted, said the defendant was a married man living apart from his wife, and was not supporting her. He applied for sustenance to the Labour Agent, and was given the usual form to complete, in which he declared that he was married and supporting his wife. Consequently he drew a mar ried man's sustenance at the rate of £1/7/ per week, instead of 15/9, and I continued to draw It for several weeks until he had received £5/1/3 in excess of what he was ordinarily en titled to. With regard to the second charge he made a similar applica tion in consequence of which he was given relief to the value of £1/10/ in excess of what he was entitled to. Hie wife was employed in Ipswich, and was not living with him. He (the Senior-Sergeant) Informed the Bench that the Department in Brisbane was looking for the defendant for a similar offence there, but bad been unable to locate him until he made these appli cation! In Townsvllle, and tbe records were received. In reply to tbe P.M. the defendant said be had nothing to say. Mr. Cameron imposed a fine of £5 In each case and ordered the resti tution of tbe respective amounts of £5/1/3 and £1/10/ to the Department of Labour and Industry in default levy and distress, in default three months 'Imprisonment, tbe terms to be concurrent. He refuted a request Regards Colin > Hi > > I would like to contact anyone with an interest in the above couple. > > William Gladstone MOORE married Ida Mary THORPE in Brisbane in 1924 and they lived in Davidson Street in Townsville but were separated by 1931. > > At the time of separation Ida was living in Ipswich. She died in 1961 in Tambo, Qld. > > There is a William Gladstone Moore on the New South Wales Death Index who died in 1953 who may be him as age ties in. > > I would like to find out if they had any children etc. > > Thank you > > Ian Kelly > Sandstone Point Queensland > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian & Margaret via" <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> To: "AUS-QLD" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:02 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] THORPE and MOORE > Hi > > I would like to contact anyone with an interest in the above > couple. > > William Gladstone MOORE married Ida Mary THORPE in Brisbane in > 1924 and they lived in Davidson Street in Townsville but were > separated by 1931. > > At the time of separation Ida was living in Ipswich. She died > in 1961 in Tambo, Qld. > > There is a William Gladstone Moore on the New South Wales Death > Index who died in 1953 who may be him as age ties in. > > I would like to find out if they had any children etc. Hi Ian Hard to say .......... Is a funeral notice in the SMH http://tinyurl.com/l5luzhm. He didnt leave a will Not in Public trees . You might need to get copy of either's death cert . No child obvious in the Electoral rolls. Merry Christmas MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8796 - Release Date: 12/23/14

Hi I would like to contact anyone with an interest in the above couple. William Gladstone MOORE married Ida Mary THORPE in Brisbane in 1924 and they lived in Davidson Street in Townsville but were separated by 1931. At the time of separation Ida was living in Ipswich. She died in 1961 in Tambo, Qld. There is a William Gladstone Moore on the New South Wales Death Index who died in 1953 who may be him as age ties in. I would like to find out if they had any children etc. Thank you Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Queensland

Thank you Chris. Regards Ian

I have no connection whatsoever to this family group, but I would like to make a comment of the List Admin's reply. How very nice of her to say that your request was NOT too long... it certainly gives other's who just may have a tiny link to this family, reason to follow up. So much detail provided in the first place. Good luck with your research Ian... Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta, South Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2014 1:56 PM To: 'Ian & Margaret'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] THORPE, WADDIBUNGERA, Urandangie, Cloncurry area and William Gladstone MOORE, Townsville. Hello Ian, >From an 'admin' perspective for AUS-QLD, absolutely no worries or apologies about the length of postings - particularly when they provide such detailed and useful information. In the long term this helps us all to assist you and the information remains in the 'Archived Message List' for years to come. I have made note of your names and will keep a lookout for them as I check relevant resources. I wish you well with your searching. Kind regards, Jennifer AUS-QLD List Admin. Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHA; Archaeologist ~ Historian Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian & Margaret via Sent: 04 December 2014 11:17 To: AUS-QLD-WESTERN; AUS-QLD Subject: [AUS-QLD] THORPE, WADDIBUNGERA, Urandangie, Cloncurry area and William Gladstone MOORE, Townsville. Hi I am after some information for a Darwin cousin. I apologise for the length of my posting but I don’t want to be sent information that I already have. Samuel THORPE b.16 July 1850 (Ipswich?) married Rosie WADDIBUNGERA in 1898 in country Queensland. Rosie was a member of the Kalkadoon aboriginal tribe who lived in an area north and south of Cloncurry. These people were known for putting up strong resistance to white settlers. My cousin is not after information on Samuel’s parents or siblings. Samuel died in 1899 in Urandangie. His death certificate does not show any children but an addition to the record states “had a number of children who must be illegitimate”. The births of these children do not seem to have been registered. Aboriginal births, deaths and marriages in Qld were not consistently registered until the 1940s. In a Rockhampton newspaper in 1900, mention is made in the Supreme Court re Samuel’s intestate estate. >From various sources we have established that Samuel and Rosie appear to have had 4 children, all of whom were placed under “The Aborigines Protection and Restriction of Sale of Opium Act of 1897”. Their children, who may not be in the correct order of birth, are as under: William Thorpe, born about 1881. He was granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1924 and his age is shown as 43. Ages of the 4 children may not be accurate because of their lack of education. We have no further information on William. George Thorpe, born about 1894, may be buried in the Mt Isa Cemetery (died 8/1/1992) if that is the correct George. Aborigines, or part Aborigines who came under The Aborigines Protection Act could do little without permission. George was “rescued” from the “black’s camp” on Devoncourt Station, south of Cloncurry (early 1890?) by Marion Kennedy, wife of the owner, Alexander Kennedy. He may have had some education. George made an application to “The Chief Protector of of Aborigines” in 1933 to marry Maud PARRY and they were married in that year. His location then was Cloncurry. I don’t know why George had to apply to marry as he had been granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1920 (age 24 and residence Dajarra). Perhaps Maud came under the act which meant she could not marry without permission. Maud died 1/4/1986 and is buried in Cloncurry. I have found George on the electoral roll in Mt Isa and Cloncurry and Maud is also on the roll! in Cloncurry. Many of the Kalkadoon people were wiped out in a pitched battle near Kajabbi with the police in 1884. A memorial was erected there in 1984 which was opened by Charles Perkins and aboriginal elder George Thorpe. Elsewhere George is described as a son of Kalkadoon member Rosie Waddibungera. Ida Mary Thorpe, born about 1889 in Burketown was also “rescued” from the “black’s camp” on Devoncourt Station, south of Cloncurry (late 1880?) by Marion Kennedy. Ida may have received some education. She was granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1919. Her age was 23 and residence was Townsville. Ida married William Gladstone MOORE in Brisbane in 1925. They lived in Townsville but were separated by April 1932 when he was in court in Townsville on a charge of false pretences. At that time Ida was living in Ipswich and died in Tambo in 1961. William served in WW 1. I have found him on the electoral rolls. Jessie Thorpe, born about 1900. She was granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1937. Her age was 36 and living in Clayfield in Brisbane at the time. She was not married. Her parents were named and both were deceased. That is all we know of Jessie. Any further information on the above people would be appreciated. In particular we would like to find any living descendants Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Queensland. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ian, >From an 'admin' perspective for AUS-QLD, absolutely no worries or apologies about the length of postings - particularly when they provide such detailed and useful information. In the long term this helps us all to assist you and the information remains in the 'Archived Message List' for years to come. I have made note of your names and will keep a lookout for them as I check relevant resources. I wish you well with your searching. Kind regards, Jennifer AUS-QLD List Admin. Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHA; Archaeologist ~ Historian Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian & Margaret via Sent: 04 December 2014 11:17 To: AUS-QLD-WESTERN; AUS-QLD Subject: [AUS-QLD] THORPE, WADDIBUNGERA, Urandangie, Cloncurry area and William Gladstone MOORE, Townsville. Hi I am after some information for a Darwin cousin. I apologise for the length of my posting but I don’t want to be sent information that I already have. Samuel THORPE b.16 July 1850 (Ipswich?) married Rosie WADDIBUNGERA in 1898 in country Queensland. Rosie was a member of the Kalkadoon aboriginal tribe who lived in an area north and south of Cloncurry. These people were known for putting up strong resistance to white settlers. My cousin is not after information on Samuel’s parents or siblings. Samuel died in 1899 in Urandangie. His death certificate does not show any children but an addition to the record states “had a number of children who must be illegitimate”. The births of these children do not seem to have been registered. Aboriginal births, deaths and marriages in Qld were not consistently registered until the 1940s. In a Rockhampton newspaper in 1900, mention is made in the Supreme Court re Samuel’s intestate estate. >From various sources we have established that Samuel and Rosie appear to have had 4 children, all of whom were placed under “The Aborigines Protection and Restriction of Sale of Opium Act of 1897”. Their children, who may not be in the correct order of birth, are as under: William Thorpe, born about 1881. He was granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1924 and his age is shown as 43. Ages of the 4 children may not be accurate because of their lack of education. We have no further information on William. George Thorpe, born about 1894, may be buried in the Mt Isa Cemetery (died 8/1/1992) if that is the correct George. Aborigines, or part Aborigines who came under The Aborigines Protection Act could do little without permission. George was “rescued” from the “black’s camp” on Devoncourt Station, south of Cloncurry (early 1890?) by Marion Kennedy, wife of the owner, Alexander Kennedy. He may have had some education. George made an application to “The Chief Protector of of Aborigines” in 1933 to marry Maud PARRY and they were married in that year. His location then was Cloncurry. I don’t know why George had to apply to marry as he had been granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1920 (age 24 and residence Dajarra). Perhaps Maud came under the act which meant she could not marry without permission. Maud died 1/4/1986 and is buried in Cloncurry. I have found George on the electoral roll in Mt Isa and Cloncurry and Maud is also on the roll! in Cloncurry. Many of the Kalkadoon people were wiped out in a pitched battle near Kajabbi with the police in 1884. A memorial was erected there in 1984 which was opened by Charles Perkins and aboriginal elder George Thorpe. Elsewhere George is described as a son of Kalkadoon member Rosie Waddibungera. Ida Mary Thorpe, born about 1889 in Burketown was also “rescued” from the “black’s camp” on Devoncourt Station, south of Cloncurry (late 1880?) by Marion Kennedy. Ida may have received some education. She was granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1919. Her age was 23 and residence was Townsville. Ida married William Gladstone MOORE in Brisbane in 1925. They lived in Townsville but were separated by April 1932 when he was in court in Townsville on a charge of false pretences. At that time Ida was living in Ipswich and died in Tambo in 1961. William served in WW 1. I have found him on the electoral rolls. Jessie Thorpe, born about 1900. She was granted exemption from The Aborigines Protection Act in 1937. Her age was 36 and living in Clayfield in Brisbane at the time. She was not married. Her parents were named and both were deceased. That is all we know of Jessie. Any further information on the above people would be appreciated. In particular we would like to find any living descendants Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Queensland. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message