Hello Jane, There may be, but how will they know unless you publish the names of the authors. Regards, John > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane via > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 4:39 PM > To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Old Letters > > Dear List > > I have a number of old letters written to one of my relatives in the > 1960's. > Instead of throwing them away I wondered if someone might be researching > these folk and perhaps like to have a sample of their handwriting. I have > ascertained that the authors of these letters are deceased.

JaneWhy not donate them to the John Oxley Library - part of State Library.http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/services/library-spaces/john-oxley-libraryJudy > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 16:39:33 +1000 > From: Jane <irecall@bigpond.com> > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Old Letters > To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <723E5070-ACBE-4DE2-BF03-30518240A495@bigpond.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Dear List > > I have a number of old letters written to one of my relatives in the 1960's. Instead of throwing them away I wondered if someone might be researching these folk and perhaps like to have a sample of their handwriting. I have ascertained that the authors of these letters are deceased. >

Hello list, I am trying to find a marriage for a Christina Dearing, about 1934/36. Would anyone be able to look this up please. Thank you Sandra

Afternoon, Is anyone researching this lass? By all accounts she was born in Durham, England but baptized in Queensland. She was married to James Marshall WRIGHT I can provide some snippets of info. Regards Bev

Hello, I am looking for any information about TOM CHRISTIAN GEORGE REES, born 1895 Fulham London. All I know at the moment is he married in London 1923 to ANNA ELVIRA R De CAMILLIS, and they were living at Brisbane 1958, Griffith 1963-1968, & Ryan 1977. If there is any other person researching this family or can help with any information would you kindly get in touch, Thank you. Regards, Syd (Southampton)

Dear Jane, How thoughtful of you. I hope they find homes. I remember when i first started out researching my family, i was at the archives and saw my Great Grandmother's handwriting (she had passed away 20 years before). It had quite an effect on me as none of cards/letters remained. I also remember finding various relatives signatures and knowing that even though i would never have photographs of them (all burned), i had this little piece of them. Heirlooms can be lost or sold, photographs destroyed in floods and fires but the written word and signatures (especially archived documents) can give life to relatives we have never met. Regards, Amanda -----Original Message----- From: Jane via Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 4:39 PM To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Old Letters Dear List I have a number of old letters written to one of my relatives in the 1960's. Instead of throwing them away I wondered if someone might be researching these folk and perhaps like to have a sample of their handwriting. I have ascertained that the authors of these letters are deceased. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List I have a number of old letters written to one of my relatives in the 1960's. Instead of throwing them away I wondered if someone might be researching these folk and perhaps like to have a sample of their handwriting. I have ascertained that the authors of these letters are deceased. I have quite a few written by Kathleen GRANT nee LAWLER. Kathleen was married to Walter Henry GRANT who was a Baker in Lowood, Gayndah, Wondai and Gordonvale. The children I know of are Patricia Ellen (CROYDEN), James GRANT, Heather Marion (ROSS), Margaret Knowles (KIDD) and Charles Henry GRANT. Hey had a niece Patricia Dawn KELLY who married William LIESEGANG. The letters were written from Maryborough and Redcliffe. Some by Margaret GEDDES nee MCKINNON who married John GEDDES. They had a daughter Stella who married Arthur Tremayne TINDALL. One by Ruby May BULMER nee POACHER who married Albert Frank BULMER. They lived in Maryborough, Queensland. Regards Jane

Hi Jennifer There is also a few great volunteers who transcribe these Qld funeral / death notices to share with everyone: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS.htm l Jennifer and Charmaine do a wonderful job, and others are welcome to contribute The list is available to search anytime. I appreciate the work that the History Societies do, especially the DDFHS, who have often helped with my own research. The various societies are always looking for volunteers too, and for those who have a few hours to help, it can be very worthwhile. All the best to all Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ _____ From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey [mailto:jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2015 9:16 AM To: 'Marie'; aus-qld-toowoomba@rootsweb.com; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Family History Societies 7 January 2015 Mrs Marie Green President Toowoomba & Darling Downs Family History Society Dear Marie, Firstly, my best wishes to you and the members for a wonderful year ahead. Your posting in response to Pam's request on the Toowoomba Rootsweb list about the BDMs brought to mind the incredible amount of research that family history societies do in Queensland and the need for more people to realise just how important such organisations really are in fulfilling our history. Genealogies and histories are just names, dates and events unless the lives of the people, the places in which they lived, worked, raised their families and died are researched and appreciated within their societal framework. Marie, I remember vividly your successful battle a few years ago to ensure that the headstones and gravesites of Downs pioneers were protected from future development! My husband's MacLellan ancestors were at Clifton / Mount Kent. I wanted to extend a sincere invitation to those members of the TDDFHS who are not already members of AUS-QLD, to join us in making this 'overarching' Queensland list more encompassing. This is certainly not about 'poaching' from AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA - which is an exceptionally valuable communication resource in its own right. Local knowledge, your queries and answers, are often surprisingly valuable to those on the wider Queensland scene, many of whom would never realise that they had 'Downs' connections. Contributions and queries on all subjects historical, as well as genealogical, are most welcome at AUS-QLD. There are no restrictions on the length of postings and, as 'Admin', my only rules are 'courtesy and politeness' and that 'spam, inflammatory comments or inappropriate material will not be tolerated'. Should anyone wish to join our ranks, please send your Email request to: AUS-QLD-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word, 'subscribe' in both the Subject line and body of the message. Again my thanks for all the work you and the Society have done over the years. It is truly appreciated. My personal contact details are noted below. Kind regards, Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ********** Just home from holidays and noticed Pam's request. The Toowoomba & Darling Downs Family History Society index the BDMs from the Toowoomba Chronicle and also keep a copy of the notice. The reason I know this is that I've been doing this since 1986. Marie Green President TDDFHS -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-toowoomba-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-toowoomba-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld-toowoomba-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 December 2014 6:01 PM To: aus-qld-toowoomba@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 Today's Topics: 1. Re: TOOWOOMBA FUNERAL NOTICE (Larter) 2. Re: TOOWOOMBA FUNERAL NOTICE (Pam Dale) __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 10974 (20150107) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Just do a google ... I did ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via" <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > Hi Emmjaye, > > Origin and use in any naming pattern is difficult and I offer no expertise > in that regard. However as "Mac" is from the Gaelic for 'son of', I have > found that the Scots most often use Mac or Mc, and the Irish, particularly > from around Ulster, will use M'. > I guess we are stuck with searching all three versions and picking one > that > is most commonly used for our particular family. Will be interesting to > see > what transpires and to hear the opinion of others. > > Cheers, > Jennifer > > -----Original Message----- > From: emmjaye [mailto:emmjaye@adsl.on.net] > Sent: 07 January 2015 15:59 > To: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey; aus-qld@rootsweb.com; > maxban1938@yahoo.com.au > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > > ... always thought the difference between Mac and Mc was Scotland and > Ireland so there you go must do a google !! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via" <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> > To: <maxban1938@yahoo.com.au>; <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > > >> Hello Max, >> >> Great to hear from you. I have never known you to let either 'truth' >> or 'proof' get in the way of a great story!. Thank you for sharing it >> with us all. So, as you say, let's open this up to discussion. As far >> as I am aware most 'tartans' had their origin after the 'Battle of >> Culloden' (1746). >> However I am particularly interested in your comment as to why 'some >> kilts have a black background'. I am sure that King Phillip's >> principles in many ways are reflected in our current worldwide political > system! >> >> 'Beware of the Tar Brush' was also a far North Queensland >> colloquialism well into the 1950s - however I am not sure that it was >> used with the same 'Scottish' inference. >> >> Our MacLellan clan (my husband's line) was first mentioned in a >> Charter of King Alexander in 1217, and is associated with Galloway from > 1273. >> MacLellan >> of Bombie was a close follower of William Wallace, and after the >> defeat at Falkirk in 1298, he accompanied Wallace to France in order >> to enlist the assistance of King Philip in their efforts against >> Edward I. By the 15th century the clan had become fairly wealthy. At >> that time fourteen MacLellan Knights are recorded living in Galloway. >> The clan was Royalist throughout their history, an early example being >> that of Sir Patrick MacLellan of Bombie. Having forfeited his estates >> to the Earl of Douglas, they were later restored to him by King James >> of Scotland when his son, Sir William, killed a bandit who had been >> terrorising local inhabitants. This event is the inspiration for the >> design of the MacLellan crest. William is said to have carried the >> head on the point of his sword to the king. However by 1452, William, >> eighth Earl of Douglas, imprisoned Sir Patrick MacLellan, Sheriff of >> Galloway at Threave Castle, to 'persuade' him to join a plot against >> the King. A Royal Order was sent for his release, to which the Earl >> responded by having Sir Patrick murdered. Local tradition of Threave >> Castle has it that the canon 'Mons Meg' was made on the orders of King >> James II in order to defeat and exact revenge on the Douglas clan. Sir >> William MacLellan of Bombie, after being knighted by James IV, >> followed the king on his ill-fated invasion of England, and died at >> Flodden Field in 1513.His son, Thomas MacLellan, was killed by 'Gordon >> of Lochinvar' at the door of St Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh in 1526. >> Sir Robert MacLellan was Sir William's great-great grandson and a >> courtier of both King James IV and Charles I. >> He >> was made Lord Kirkcudbright in 1633, and supported the King during the >> Civil War. John MacLellan, the third Lord Kirkcudbright was so zealous >> in his support for the King, it eventually resulted in the financial >> ruin of the clan, and after the death of the fourth Lord >> Kirkcudbright, the estate had to be sold. The Title was passed among >> various descendants until 1761, when the title was reclaimed by James >> MacLellan, becoming dormant again in 1832 when he died. >> >> C'est la Vie! I was never meant to marry into riches! MacLellan's >> castle at Kirkudbright has no roof but does make a very imposing >> centrepiece to the town! For anyone seeking information about a >> particular Scottish tartan / and the 'correct use' of that tartan >> (which is very important), may I suggest an email to the Scottish >> Tartans Authority - >> admin@tartansauthority.com or mail to their address: Fraser House, >> Muthill Road, Crieff, Perthshire, PH7 3AY, Scotland. They have always >> been exceptionally helpful with their advice. >> >> Cheers, >> Jennifer >> >> Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey >> BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional >> Historians Association (Qld) Inc. >> Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, >> Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA >> Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maxban1938@yahoo.com.au [mailto:maxban1938@yahoo.com.au] >> Sent: 07 January 2015 12:13 >> To: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN >> >> Hi Jennifer, I was once assured by a Greek genealogist the Mc and Mac >> prefixes in Scotch surnames came from Macedonia which is just to the >> north of Greece. >> He maintained the remainder of those surnames are still incommon use >> there. >> He also said when King Phillip of Spain built his fleet of ships that >> came to be referred to as 'The Spanish Armada which was built to raid >> England, he ran out of money and could not afford to pay men to man >> the ships. >> He cast around the meditation and borrowed 'Standing Armies' from >> various countries who's single job it was to guard their king. >> They had never been blooded in battle so they couldn't be trusted not >> to run for their lives at the first flash of a sword. >> The deal was Phillip would blood their army and in return the kings >> would share in the spoils of war however Sir Francis Drake and bad >> weather intervened didn't it. >> He also said this is why some kilts have a black background as many of >> Phillip's troops who managed to swim ashore in the UK were from >> countries where people's skin was dark and the black background was a >> warning to anyone thinking of marrying into that family as 'Beware of the > Tar Brush' >> which is more than a tad racist in these days of political correctness. >> I have no proof that there is any truth in what he told me but thought >> I would throw it open for discussion here. >> Regards >> Max Bancroft >> >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via >> Date: 7/01/2015 11:03:00 AM >> To: 'Doug & Jan'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN >> >> Hello Jan, >> Not sure that I do have any 'Robertson' or 'Cree' links, however there >> are so many lines of our MacLellans ... (pedantic Scots who always >> insisted on the spelling of 'Mac' for their line). The 'Mac' and the >> 'Mc' seems to separate the families particularly here in Queensland. I >> will go through the >> >> extended family and check for you. >> >> Would be great to hear from any others searching McLELLAN and >> MacLELLAN connections. >> >> Cheers, >> Jennifer >> >> Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey >> BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional >> Historians Association (Qld) Inc. >> Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, >> Queensland 4506. >> AUSTRALIA >> Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug & Jan [mailto:jst88221@bigpond.net.au] >> Sent: 07 January 2015 09:30 >> To: 'Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com >> Subject: McLELLAN >> >> Hi Jennifer >> >> I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I >> dont know if I have made contact with you before re this >> surname.............I lost all my emails last year in a lightening >> strike... >> >> >> >> Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

... always thought the difference between Mac and Mc was Scotland and Ireland so there you go must do a google !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via" <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> To: <maxban1938@yahoo.com.au>; <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > Hello Max, > > Great to hear from you. I have never known you to let either 'truth' or > 'proof' get in the way of a great story!. Thank you for sharing it with us > all. So, as you say, let's open this up to discussion. As far as I am > aware > most 'tartans' had their origin after the 'Battle of Culloden' (1746). > However I am particularly interested in your comment as to why 'some kilts > have a black background'. I am sure that King Phillip's principles in many > ways are reflected in our current worldwide political system! > > 'Beware of the Tar Brush' was also a far North Queensland colloquialism > well > into the 1950s - however I am not sure that it was used with the same > 'Scottish' inference. > > Our MacLellan clan (my husband's line) was first mentioned in a Charter of > King Alexander in 1217, and is associated with Galloway from 1273. > MacLellan > of Bombie was a close follower of William Wallace, and after the defeat at > Falkirk in 1298, he accompanied Wallace to France in order to enlist the > assistance of King Philip in their efforts against Edward I. By the 15th > century the clan had become fairly wealthy. At that time fourteen > MacLellan > Knights are recorded living in Galloway. The clan was Royalist throughout > their history, an early example being that of Sir Patrick MacLellan of > Bombie. Having forfeited his estates to the Earl of Douglas, they were > later > restored to him by King James of Scotland when his son, Sir William, > killed > a bandit who had been terrorising local inhabitants. This event is the > inspiration for the design of the MacLellan crest. William is said to have > carried the head on the point of his sword to the king. However by 1452, > William, eighth Earl of Douglas, imprisoned Sir Patrick MacLellan, Sheriff > of Galloway at Threave Castle, to 'persuade' him to join a plot against > the > King. A Royal Order was sent for his release, to which the Earl responded > by > having Sir Patrick murdered. Local tradition of Threave Castle has it that > the canon 'Mons Meg' was made on the orders of King James II in order to > defeat and exact revenge on the Douglas clan. Sir William MacLellan of > Bombie, after being knighted by James IV, followed the king on his > ill-fated > invasion of England, and died at Flodden Field in 1513.His son, Thomas > MacLellan, was killed by 'Gordon of Lochinvar' at the door of St Giles > Cathedral in Edinburgh in 1526. Sir Robert MacLellan was Sir William's > great-great grandson and a courtier of both King James IV and Charles I. > He > was made Lord Kirkcudbright in 1633, and supported the King during the > Civil > War. John MacLellan, the third Lord Kirkcudbright was so zealous in his > support for the King, it eventually resulted in the financial ruin of the > clan, and after the death of the fourth Lord Kirkcudbright, the estate had > to be sold. The Title was passed among various descendants until 1761, > when > the title was reclaimed by James MacLellan, becoming dormant again in 1832 > when he died. > > C'est la Vie! I was never meant to marry into riches! MacLellan's castle > at > Kirkudbright has no roof but does make a very imposing centrepiece to the > town! For anyone seeking information about a particular Scottish tartan / > and the 'correct use' of that tartan (which is very important), may I > suggest an email to the Scottish Tartans Authority - > admin@tartansauthority.com or mail to their address: Fraser House, > Muthill Road, Crieff, Perthshire, PH7 3AY, Scotland. They have always been > exceptionally helpful with their advice. > > Cheers, > Jennifer > > Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey > BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; > Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. > Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant > PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506 > AUSTRALIA > Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: maxban1938@yahoo.com.au [mailto:maxban1938@yahoo.com.au] > Sent: 07 January 2015 12:13 > To: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > > Hi Jennifer, I was once assured by a Greek genealogist the Mc and Mac > prefixes in Scotch surnames came from Macedonia which is just to the north > of Greece. > He maintained the remainder of those surnames are still incommon use > there. > He also said when King Phillip of Spain built his fleet of ships that > came > to be referred to as 'The Spanish Armada which was built to raid England, > he > ran out of money and could not afford to pay men to man the ships. > He cast around the meditation and borrowed 'Standing Armies' from various > countries who's single job it was to guard their king. > They had never been blooded in battle so they couldn't be trusted not to > run > for their lives at the first flash of a sword. > The deal was Phillip would blood their army and in return the kings would > share in the spoils of war however Sir Francis Drake and bad weather > intervened didn't it. > He also said this is why some kilts have a black background as many of > Phillip's troops who managed to swim ashore in the UK were from countries > where people's skin was dark and the black background was a warning to > anyone thinking of marrying into that family as 'Beware of the Tar Brush' > which is more than a tad racist in these days of political correctness. > I have no proof that there is any truth in what he told me but thought I > would throw it open for discussion here. > Regards > Max Bancroft > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via > Date: 7/01/2015 11:03:00 AM > To: 'Doug & Jan'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > > Hello Jan, > Not sure that I do have any 'Robertson' or 'Cree' links, however there are > so many lines of our MacLellans ... (pedantic Scots who always insisted on > the spelling of 'Mac' for their line). The 'Mac' and the 'Mc' seems to > separate the families particularly here in Queensland. I will go through > the > > extended family and check for you. > > Would be great to hear from any others searching McLELLAN and MacLELLAN > connections. > > Cheers, > Jennifer > > Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey > BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians > Association (Qld) Inc. > Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, > Queensland 4506. > AUSTRALIA > Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug & Jan [mailto:jst88221@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 07 January 2015 09:30 > To: 'Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: McLELLAN > > Hi Jennifer > > I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I > dont > know if I have made contact with you before re this surname.............I > lost all my emails last year in a lightening strike... > > > > Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected > > Jan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Emmjaye, Origin and use in any naming pattern is difficult and I offer no expertise in that regard. However as "Mac" is from the Gaelic for 'son of', I have found that the Scots most often use Mac or Mc, and the Irish, particularly from around Ulster, will use M'. I guess we are stuck with searching all three versions and picking one that is most commonly used for our particular family. Will be interesting to see what transpires and to hear the opinion of others. Cheers, Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: emmjaye [mailto:emmjaye@adsl.on.net] Sent: 07 January 2015 15:59 To: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey; aus-qld@rootsweb.com; maxban1938@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN ... always thought the difference between Mac and Mc was Scotland and Ireland so there you go must do a google !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via" <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> To: <maxban1938@yahoo.com.au>; <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > Hello Max, > > Great to hear from you. I have never known you to let either 'truth' > or 'proof' get in the way of a great story!. Thank you for sharing it > with us all. So, as you say, let's open this up to discussion. As far > as I am aware most 'tartans' had their origin after the 'Battle of > Culloden' (1746). > However I am particularly interested in your comment as to why 'some > kilts have a black background'. I am sure that King Phillip's > principles in many ways are reflected in our current worldwide political system! > > 'Beware of the Tar Brush' was also a far North Queensland > colloquialism well into the 1950s - however I am not sure that it was > used with the same 'Scottish' inference. > > Our MacLellan clan (my husband's line) was first mentioned in a > Charter of King Alexander in 1217, and is associated with Galloway from 1273. > MacLellan > of Bombie was a close follower of William Wallace, and after the > defeat at Falkirk in 1298, he accompanied Wallace to France in order > to enlist the assistance of King Philip in their efforts against > Edward I. By the 15th century the clan had become fairly wealthy. At > that time fourteen MacLellan Knights are recorded living in Galloway. > The clan was Royalist throughout their history, an early example being > that of Sir Patrick MacLellan of Bombie. Having forfeited his estates > to the Earl of Douglas, they were later restored to him by King James > of Scotland when his son, Sir William, killed a bandit who had been > terrorising local inhabitants. This event is the inspiration for the > design of the MacLellan crest. William is said to have carried the > head on the point of his sword to the king. However by 1452, William, > eighth Earl of Douglas, imprisoned Sir Patrick MacLellan, Sheriff of > Galloway at Threave Castle, to 'persuade' him to join a plot against > the King. A Royal Order was sent for his release, to which the Earl > responded by having Sir Patrick murdered. Local tradition of Threave > Castle has it that the canon 'Mons Meg' was made on the orders of King > James II in order to defeat and exact revenge on the Douglas clan. Sir > William MacLellan of Bombie, after being knighted by James IV, > followed the king on his ill-fated invasion of England, and died at > Flodden Field in 1513.His son, Thomas MacLellan, was killed by 'Gordon > of Lochinvar' at the door of St Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh in 1526. > Sir Robert MacLellan was Sir William's great-great grandson and a > courtier of both King James IV and Charles I. > He > was made Lord Kirkcudbright in 1633, and supported the King during the > Civil War. John MacLellan, the third Lord Kirkcudbright was so zealous > in his support for the King, it eventually resulted in the financial > ruin of the clan, and after the death of the fourth Lord > Kirkcudbright, the estate had to be sold. The Title was passed among > various descendants until 1761, when the title was reclaimed by James > MacLellan, becoming dormant again in 1832 when he died. > > C'est la Vie! I was never meant to marry into riches! MacLellan's > castle at Kirkudbright has no roof but does make a very imposing > centrepiece to the town! For anyone seeking information about a > particular Scottish tartan / and the 'correct use' of that tartan > (which is very important), may I suggest an email to the Scottish > Tartans Authority - > admin@tartansauthority.com or mail to their address: Fraser House, > Muthill Road, Crieff, Perthshire, PH7 3AY, Scotland. They have always > been exceptionally helpful with their advice. > > Cheers, > Jennifer > > Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey > BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional > Historians Association (Qld) Inc. > Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, > Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA > Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: maxban1938@yahoo.com.au [mailto:maxban1938@yahoo.com.au] > Sent: 07 January 2015 12:13 > To: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > > Hi Jennifer, I was once assured by a Greek genealogist the Mc and Mac > prefixes in Scotch surnames came from Macedonia which is just to the > north of Greece. > He maintained the remainder of those surnames are still incommon use > there. > He also said when King Phillip of Spain built his fleet of ships that > came to be referred to as 'The Spanish Armada which was built to raid > England, he ran out of money and could not afford to pay men to man > the ships. > He cast around the meditation and borrowed 'Standing Armies' from > various countries who's single job it was to guard their king. > They had never been blooded in battle so they couldn't be trusted not > to run for their lives at the first flash of a sword. > The deal was Phillip would blood their army and in return the kings > would share in the spoils of war however Sir Francis Drake and bad > weather intervened didn't it. > He also said this is why some kilts have a black background as many of > Phillip's troops who managed to swim ashore in the UK were from > countries where people's skin was dark and the black background was a > warning to anyone thinking of marrying into that family as 'Beware of the Tar Brush' > which is more than a tad racist in these days of political correctness. > I have no proof that there is any truth in what he told me but thought > I would throw it open for discussion here. > Regards > Max Bancroft > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via > Date: 7/01/2015 11:03:00 AM > To: 'Doug & Jan'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN > > Hello Jan, > Not sure that I do have any 'Robertson' or 'Cree' links, however there > are so many lines of our MacLellans ... (pedantic Scots who always > insisted on the spelling of 'Mac' for their line). The 'Mac' and the > 'Mc' seems to separate the families particularly here in Queensland. I > will go through the > > extended family and check for you. > > Would be great to hear from any others searching McLELLAN and > MacLELLAN connections. > > Cheers, > Jennifer > > Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey > BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional > Historians Association (Qld) Inc. > Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, > Queensland 4506. > AUSTRALIA > Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug & Jan [mailto:jst88221@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 07 January 2015 09:30 > To: 'Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: McLELLAN > > Hi Jennifer > > I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I > dont know if I have made contact with you before re this > surname.............I lost all my emails last year in a lightening > strike... > > > > Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected > > Jan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello Max, Great to hear from you. I have never known you to let either 'truth' or 'proof' get in the way of a great story!. Thank you for sharing it with us all. So, as you say, let's open this up to discussion. As far as I am aware most 'tartans' had their origin after the 'Battle of Culloden' (1746). However I am particularly interested in your comment as to why 'some kilts have a black background'. I am sure that King Phillip's principles in many ways are reflected in our current worldwide political system! 'Beware of the Tar Brush' was also a far North Queensland colloquialism well into the 1950s - however I am not sure that it was used with the same 'Scottish' inference. Our MacLellan clan (my husband's line) was first mentioned in a Charter of King Alexander in 1217, and is associated with Galloway from 1273. MacLellan of Bombie was a close follower of William Wallace, and after the defeat at Falkirk in 1298, he accompanied Wallace to France in order to enlist the assistance of King Philip in their efforts against Edward I. By the 15th century the clan had become fairly wealthy. At that time fourteen MacLellan Knights are recorded living in Galloway. The clan was Royalist throughout their history, an early example being that of Sir Patrick MacLellan of Bombie. Having forfeited his estates to the Earl of Douglas, they were later restored to him by King James of Scotland when his son, Sir William, killed a bandit who had been terrorising local inhabitants. This event is the inspiration for the design of the MacLellan crest. William is said to have carried the head on the point of his sword to the king. However by 1452, William, eighth Earl of Douglas, imprisoned Sir Patrick MacLellan, Sheriff of Galloway at Threave Castle, to 'persuade' him to join a plot against the King. A Royal Order was sent for his release, to which the Earl responded by having Sir Patrick murdered. Local tradition of Threave Castle has it that the canon 'Mons Meg' was made on the orders of King James II in order to defeat and exact revenge on the Douglas clan. Sir William MacLellan of Bombie, after being knighted by James IV, followed the king on his ill-fated invasion of England, and died at Flodden Field in 1513.His son, Thomas MacLellan, was killed by 'Gordon of Lochinvar' at the door of St Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh in 1526. Sir Robert MacLellan was Sir William's great-great grandson and a courtier of both King James IV and Charles I. He was made Lord Kirkcudbright in 1633, and supported the King during the Civil War. John MacLellan, the third Lord Kirkcudbright was so zealous in his support for the King, it eventually resulted in the financial ruin of the clan, and after the death of the fourth Lord Kirkcudbright, the estate had to be sold. The Title was passed among various descendants until 1761, when the title was reclaimed by James MacLellan, becoming dormant again in 1832 when he died. C'est la Vie! I was never meant to marry into riches! MacLellan's castle at Kirkudbright has no roof but does make a very imposing centrepiece to the town! For anyone seeking information about a particular Scottish tartan / and the 'correct use' of that tartan (which is very important), may I suggest an email to the Scottish Tartans Authority - admin@tartansauthority.com or mail to their address: Fraser House, Muthill Road, Crieff, Perthshire, PH7 3AY, Scotland. They have always been exceptionally helpful with their advice. Cheers, Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506 AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au -----Original Message----- From: maxban1938@yahoo.com.au [mailto:maxban1938@yahoo.com.au] Sent: 07 January 2015 12:13 To: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN Hi Jennifer, I was once assured by a Greek genealogist the Mc and Mac prefixes in Scotch surnames came from Macedonia which is just to the north of Greece. He maintained the remainder of those surnames are still incommon use there. He also said when King Phillip of Spain built his fleet of ships that came to be referred to as 'The Spanish Armada which was built to raid England, he ran out of money and could not afford to pay men to man the ships. He cast around the meditation and borrowed 'Standing Armies' from various countries who's single job it was to guard their king. They had never been blooded in battle so they couldn't be trusted not to run for their lives at the first flash of a sword. The deal was Phillip would blood their army and in return the kings would share in the spoils of war however Sir Francis Drake and bad weather intervened didn't it. He also said this is why some kilts have a black background as many of Phillip's troops who managed to swim ashore in the UK were from countries where people's skin was dark and the black background was a warning to anyone thinking of marrying into that family as 'Beware of the Tar Brush' which is more than a tad racist in these days of political correctness. I have no proof that there is any truth in what he told me but thought I would throw it open for discussion here. Regards Max Bancroft -------Original Message------- From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via Date: 7/01/2015 11:03:00 AM To: 'Doug & Jan'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN Hello Jan, Not sure that I do have any 'Robertson' or 'Cree' links, however there are so many lines of our MacLellans ... (pedantic Scots who always insisted on the spelling of 'Mac' for their line). The 'Mac' and the 'Mc' seems to separate the families particularly here in Queensland. I will go through the extended family and check for you. Would be great to hear from any others searching McLELLAN and MacLELLAN connections. Cheers, Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Doug & Jan [mailto:jst88221@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 07 January 2015 09:30 To: 'Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: McLELLAN Hi Jennifer I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I dont know if I have made contact with you before re this surname.............I lost all my emails last year in a lightening strike... Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jennifer, I was once assured by a Greek genealogist the Mc and Mac prefixes in Scotch surnames came from Macedonia which is just to the north of Greece. He maintained the remainder of those surnames are still incommon use there. He also said when King Phillip of Spain built his fleet of ships that came to be referred to as 'The Spanish Armada which was built to raid England, he ran out of money and could not afford to pay men to man the ships. He cast around the meditation and borrowed 'Standing Armies' from various countries who's single job it was to guard their king. They had never been blooded in battle so they couldn't be trusted not to run for their lives at the first flash of a sword. The deal was Phillip would blood their army and in return the kings would share in the spoils of war however Sir Francis Drake and bad weather intervened didn't it. He also said this is why some kilts have a black background as many of Phillip's troops who managed to swim ashore in the UK were from countries where people's skin was dark and the black background was a warning to anyone thinking of marrying into that family as 'Beware of the Tar Brush' which is more than a tad racist in these days of political correctness. I have no proof that there is any truth in what he told me but thought I would throw it open for discussion here. Regards Max Bancroft -------Original Message------- From: Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey via Date: 7/01/2015 11:03:00 AM To: 'Doug & Jan'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] McLELLAN .... MacLELLAN Hello Jan, Not sure that I do have any 'Robertson' or 'Cree' links, however there are so many lines of our MacLellans ... (pedantic Scots who always insisted on the spelling of 'Mac' for their line). The 'Mac' and the 'Mc' seems to separate the families particularly here in Queensland. I will go through the extended family and check for you. Would be great to hear from any others searching McLELLAN and MacLELLAN connections. Cheers, Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Doug & Jan [mailto:jst88221@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 07 January 2015 09:30 To: 'Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: McLELLAN Hi Jennifer I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I dont know if I have made contact with you before re this surname.............I lost all my emails last year in a lightening strike... Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jennifer I have come accross it spelt both ways..... Back in Scotland the other name connected is ROSS cheers Jan -----Original Message-----

Hello Jan, Not sure that I do have any 'Robertson' or 'Cree' links, however there are so many lines of our MacLellans ... (pedantic Scots who always insisted on the spelling of 'Mac' for their line). The 'Mac' and the 'Mc' seems to separate the families particularly here in Queensland. I will go through the extended family and check for you. Would be great to hear from any others searching McLELLAN and MacLELLAN connections. Cheers, Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. AUSTRALIA Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Doug & Jan [mailto:jst88221@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 07 January 2015 09:30 To: 'Dr Jennifer Lambert Tracey'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: McLELLAN Hi Jennifer I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I dont know if I have made contact with you before re this surname.............I lost all my emails last year in a lightening strike... Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected Jan

Hi Jennifer I noticed in your post to Marie.. you mention McLELLAN from Clifton, I dont know if I have made contact with you before re this surname.............I lost all my emails last year in a lightening strike... Do you have any ROBERTSON,or CREE's connected Jan

7 January 2015 Mrs Marie Green President Toowoomba & Darling Downs Family History Society Dear Marie, Firstly, my best wishes to you and the members for a wonderful year ahead. Your posting in response to Pam's request on the Toowoomba Rootsweb list about the BDMs brought to mind the incredible amount of research that family history societies do in Queensland and the need for more people to realise just how important such organisations really are in fulfilling our history. Genealogies and histories are just names, dates and events unless the lives of the people, the places in which they lived, worked, raised their families and died are researched and appreciated within their societal framework. Marie, I remember vividly your successful battle a few years ago to ensure that the headstones and gravesites of Downs pioneers were protected from future development! My husband's MacLellan ancestors were at Clifton / Mount Kent. I wanted to extend a sincere invitation to those members of the TDDFHS who are not already members of AUS-QLD, to join us in making this 'overarching' Queensland list more encompassing. This is certainly not about 'poaching' from AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA - which is an exceptionally valuable communication resource in its own right. Local knowledge, your queries and answers, are often surprisingly valuable to those on the wider Queensland scene, many of whom would never realise that they had 'Downs' connections. Contributions and queries on all subjects historical, as well as genealogical, are most welcome at AUS-QLD. There are no restrictions on the length of postings and, as 'Admin', my only rules are 'courtesy and politeness' and that 'spam, inflammatory comments or inappropriate material will not be tolerated'. Should anyone wish to join our ranks, please send your Email request to: AUS-QLD-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word, 'subscribe' in both the Subject line and body of the message. Again my thanks for all the work you and the Society have done over the years. It is truly appreciated. My personal contact details are noted below. Kind regards, Jennifer Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey BA(ANU);M.APP.SC.(UC); PhD (UC); MPHAQ; Member ~ Professional Historians Association (Qld) Inc. Archaeologist, Historian & Heritage Consultant PO Box 629, Morayfield, Queensland 4506. Email: jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ********** Just home from holidays and noticed Pam's request. The Toowoomba & Darling Downs Family History Society index the BDMs from the Toowoomba Chronicle and also keep a copy of the notice. The reason I know this is that I've been doing this since 1986. Marie Green President TDDFHS -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-toowoomba-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-toowoomba-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-qld-toowoomba-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 December 2014 6:01 PM To: aus-qld-toowoomba@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 Today's Topics: 1. Re: TOOWOOMBA FUNERAL NOTICE (Larter) 2. Re: TOOWOOMBA FUNERAL NOTICE (Pam Dale) ----------------------------------------------------------------------

<http://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-histo ry-research/> http://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-histor y-research/ Sorry - it is a long one so ensure you get it all. NSW seems to keep it up to date more - like I could research 25 Dec 1984 for deaths, and I guess today would be 31 Dec 1984 Deaths - 31/12/1984 Marriages - 31/12/1964 Births - 31/12/1914 But NSW's list is updated regularly throughout the year - keeping the time limits. Lorrae J Forest Lake Q 4078 http://www.lorrae.net/ _____ From: Ray Rob [mailto:rayrobt@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 1 January 2015 12:28 PM To: Laraine; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld BDM Thank-you , Laraine . What is the clickable website , please ? Ray On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Laraine via <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I see Qld BDM have added the extra year! Good news. > > Laraine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 10950 (20141231) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 10950 (20141231) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Thank-you , Laraine . What is the clickable website , please ? Ray On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Laraine via <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I see Qld BDM have added the extra year! Good news. > > Laraine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Larine and Happy New Year to you and you family. Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Laraine via Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:25 PM To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Qld BDM I see Qld BDM have added the extra year! Good news. Laraine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message