I think "cash and carry" was a generic term for those "new-fangled" grocery stores where you picked the goods yourself, paid at a checkout and then carried them away (i.e. like any supermarket today), as opposed to a traditional grocer's where you gave them your list and the delivery boy brought the goods around to your house later and you had an account with the grocer which you paid from time to time. I don't think "cash and carry" stores were necessarily co-ops. I remember the Brisbane Cash & Carry company which operated stores at Annerley and Coorparoo in my childhood. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Robinson Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 2:31 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Co-Operative Cash Store - c1915 Can these be the stores that I recall being called "Cash and Carry", there used to be one on the corner of Vulture and Bounday Streets at West End Bne, back in the early 1950s as I remember seeing it from the tram as we used to go and visit my grandmother who lived in Parish Street West End near the West End School. We used to go from Yeronga School (I think) about once a month to West End to do "Domestic Science" classes, learning cooking and sewing. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Brian" <d.brian@uq.edu.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Co-Operative Cash Store - c1915 > Hi Lorrae, > > Don't know anything about this personally, but Google reveals the > following: > > Queensland Co-Operative Cash Stores Ltd was established 13 April 1911 > (see Companies Index 1863-1959 at State Archives - > http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/downloads/Indexes/companies/Companies%20O > _Q.pdf) > > And there is a brief mention of the company in a lecture on William > LENNON (1849-1938) presented by Dr Rodney Sullivan at CitiLibraries - > Thuringowa, 22 September 2008. LENNON was chairman of the Board of > Directors of the Queensland Co-Operative Cash Stores Ltd in 1913, an > appointment said to exemplify his belief in 'the ideal of social > co-operation rather than competition'. (You can check this source at: > http://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/resources/3872.pdf). > > Perhaps the Archives will have more that is not currently online? > > Good luck! > Deb > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Qld Co-Operative Cash Store - c1915 > > Can anyone advise what was the Qld Co-Operative Cash Store? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary I found and gave to you Catherine Musgrave (nee O'Reilly)'s death date and registration, you will have to buy her death certificate to see where she is buried... Thought they were in the hotel 1914... the marriage in New South Wales is 1897, 12 months after Catherine died, plenty of time to move state and heaps of time between 1897 and 1914 to come home again. They were alot more mobile in those days than now... Buy the certificates Mary, they will answer some questions. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > Yes, we wondered who this Emily Jane (Galbraith)Musgrave was. Henry was > supposed to have married Catherine O'Reilly in 1896 and I found the death > of > their first child Catherine the same year. Wonder if the mother died in > childbirth but I cannot find her death. And if he married in 1897, is it > them who were running the Wolfram Hotel, Chillagoe, North Qld, in 1814. > Still a puzzle. > Thanks for that info Jenelle, another one to check out. > Will keep in touch, > Kind regards, > > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> > To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > > >> Mary, >> there is a possible marriage on the BDM New South Wales of a Henry >> MUSGRAVE, >> 1897/8758 to a Emily Jane (could go by Jane) GALBRAITH. Might be worth >> checking out. >> Jenelle. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> >> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. >> >> >>> Thanks Janelle, >>> Actually I phoned the State Library in Queensland and they have >>> suggested >>> I >>> get in touch with the Qld Archives which I have just done, requesting a >>> look >>> up of an inquest into a Hotel fire in Qld. with the deaths of Henry >>> Musgrave >>> and wife Jane.The electroll Roll shows them running a Hotel at Wolfram >>> via >>> Chillagoe in 1914. Will also check the Cairns Post Archives as you have >>> suggested. Possibly the Henry Musgrave in Cairns Cemetery could be >>> another >>> person, but if this death took place in 1929-30, then the age is correct >>> as >>> he was born in 1862. Will do as you suggested and ask the Council about >>> this >>> burial. >>> Thanks for all your help with this...it is turning out to be a big >>> mystery. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Mary >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> >>> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. >>> >>> >>>> Mary, >>>> why don't you use the Ask a Librarian Service through the State Library >>>> of >>>> Queensland to see if there was a funeral notice, or look at the State >>>> Archives of Queensland to see if there was an inquest. The Cairns Post >>>> is >>>> the paper up that way. >>>> Also contact the Cairns City Council, I think I gave you that burial >>>> off >>>> their city council burial site, ask them what information their >>>> cemetery >>>> has... >>>> Jenelle. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> >>>> To: "AUS-QLD" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:22 PM >>>> Subject: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello List, >>>>> >>>>> Thankyou to all the people who have helped me with any information >>>>> regarding >>>>> Henry MUSGRAVE and his family. >>>>> >>>>> I have found out quite a lot about him, except his death. >>>>> >>>>> Henry MUSGRAVE b.1862, (son of Henry MUSGRAVE d.1877 Buried in Toowong >>>>> Cemetery Brisbane >>>>> and Julia RYNG Musgrave d.1891). >>>>> >>>>> m. Kate Ide McELROY ,b.1861, daughter of Peter McELROY and Catherine >>>>> SMITH >>>>> Kate d. 1891, aged 30 and is buried in Bundaberg Catholic Cemetery >>>>> with >>>>> daughter Vera Lucy who died in 1885. >>>>> >>>>> Children >>>>> >>>>> 1. Vera Lucy Musgrave b.1884 >>>>> 2. Herbert Cecil Musgrave b.1885 >>>>> 3. Alice Muriel Musgrave b.1887 >>>>> 4. Irene Ethel Musgrave b.1888 >>>>> 5 Gertrude Ide Musgrave, b.1890, m. Wylie Hardwick 1923, died 1983 >>>>> buried >>>>> in Toowoomba. >>>>> >>>>> Gertrude Hardwick told her grandchildren, that there were 2 fires. >>>>> First >>>>> one in Bundaberg where no one was hurt, which I have found in a >>>>> newspaper >>>>> report and a second fire in which her parents perished, and that she >>>>> and >>>>> her siblings were put into an orphanage but not sure of the date. >>>>> Gertrude >>>>> was very frightened of fires . >>>>> >>>>> It was the 2nd unknown Hotel fire that caused the parents death. This >>>>> is >>>>> my >>>>> stumbling block as I cannot find any information about Henry perishing >>>>> in >>>>> a >>>>> fire or an inquest into any fires. >>>>> >>>>> Kate Musgrave Henrys wife, died in 1892 and Henry married a 2nd time >>>>> to >>>>> Catherine O'REILLY in 1896. Their daughter, Catherine, died the same >>>>> year. >>>>> I >>>>> have no information about mother Catherine's death. >>>>> >>>>> Henry Musgave is then found in 1914 Electroll Roll in Wolfram, near >>>>> Chillagoe, Nth Qld, in a Hotel with the leasee known as Jane Musgrave, >>>>> his >>>>> wife. >>>>> >>>>> Again no marriage found to Jane. >>>>> >>>>> The last information I have found is a grave in Cairns Cemetery for a >>>>> Henry >>>>> MUSGRAVE aged 67, who according to his birthdate, this must be 1929 >>>>> also >>>>> another baby Musgrave aged 0 but no Jane Musgrave. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone on the list has some connection to this family or has access >>>>> to >>>>> any information about Henry and his wifes death, please contact me. 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Thanks Jules.......I have done a lot of research on this family in Ireland but only just recently finding Thomas listed in Qld Death Index....just by chance. Cheers, Val. ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie dern" <julie.dern@bigpond.com> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? > Val, > > Your Thomas STUART, was a Farm Hand, aged 27 of Dalby. He is buried > Puchevillers British Cemetery, France after dying of wounds 12.9.1916 & > his > name is on the memorial wall. His mother was Kate STUART, of Bodyke, Co. > Clare, Ireland. > > Cheers, Jules. > Warren, NSW. (but a dinky di QLD girl). > > julie.dern@bigpond.com > http://derngenealogy.tribalpages.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2213 - Release Date: 07/01/09 18:07:00

Yes, we wondered who this Emily Jane (Galbraith)Musgrave was. Henry was supposed to have married Catherine O'Reilly in 1896 and I found the death of their first child Catherine the same year. Wonder if the mother died in childbirth but I cannot find her death. And if he married in 1897, is it them who were running the Wolfram Hotel, Chillagoe, North Qld, in 1814. Still a puzzle. Thanks for that info Jenelle, another one to check out. Will keep in touch, Kind regards, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > Mary, > there is a possible marriage on the BDM New South Wales of a Henry > MUSGRAVE, > 1897/8758 to a Emily Jane (could go by Jane) GALBRAITH. Might be worth > checking out. > Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> > To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > > >> Thanks Janelle, >> Actually I phoned the State Library in Queensland and they have suggested >> I >> get in touch with the Qld Archives which I have just done, requesting a >> look >> up of an inquest into a Hotel fire in Qld. with the deaths of Henry >> Musgrave >> and wife Jane.The electroll Roll shows them running a Hotel at Wolfram >> via >> Chillagoe in 1914. Will also check the Cairns Post Archives as you have >> suggested. Possibly the Henry Musgrave in Cairns Cemetery could be >> another >> person, but if this death took place in 1929-30, then the age is correct >> as >> he was born in 1862. Will do as you suggested and ask the Council about >> this >> burial. >> Thanks for all your help with this...it is turning out to be a big >> mystery. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> >> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. >> >> >>> Mary, >>> why don't you use the Ask a Librarian Service through the State Library >>> of >>> Queensland to see if there was a funeral notice, or look at the State >>> Archives of Queensland to see if there was an inquest. The Cairns Post >>> is >>> the paper up that way. >>> Also contact the Cairns City Council, I think I gave you that burial off >>> their city council burial site, ask them what information their cemetery >>> has... >>> Jenelle. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> >>> To: "AUS-QLD" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:22 PM >>> Subject: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. >>> >>> >>>> Hello List, >>>> >>>> Thankyou to all the people who have helped me with any information >>>> regarding >>>> Henry MUSGRAVE and his family. >>>> >>>> I have found out quite a lot about him, except his death. >>>> >>>> Henry MUSGRAVE b.1862, (son of Henry MUSGRAVE d.1877 Buried in Toowong >>>> Cemetery Brisbane >>>> and Julia RYNG Musgrave d.1891). >>>> >>>> m. Kate Ide McELROY ,b.1861, daughter of Peter McELROY and Catherine >>>> SMITH >>>> Kate d. 1891, aged 30 and is buried in Bundaberg Catholic Cemetery with >>>> daughter Vera Lucy who died in 1885. >>>> >>>> Children >>>> >>>> 1. Vera Lucy Musgrave b.1884 >>>> 2. Herbert Cecil Musgrave b.1885 >>>> 3. Alice Muriel Musgrave b.1887 >>>> 4. Irene Ethel Musgrave b.1888 >>>> 5 Gertrude Ide Musgrave, b.1890, m. Wylie Hardwick 1923, died 1983 >>>> buried >>>> in Toowoomba. >>>> >>>> Gertrude Hardwick told her grandchildren, that there were 2 fires. >>>> First >>>> one in Bundaberg where no one was hurt, which I have found in a >>>> newspaper >>>> report and a second fire in which her parents perished, and that she >>>> and >>>> her siblings were put into an orphanage but not sure of the date. >>>> Gertrude >>>> was very frightened of fires . >>>> >>>> It was the 2nd unknown Hotel fire that caused the parents death. This >>>> is >>>> my >>>> stumbling block as I cannot find any information about Henry perishing >>>> in >>>> a >>>> fire or an inquest into any fires. >>>> >>>> Kate Musgrave Henrys wife, died in 1892 and Henry married a 2nd time to >>>> Catherine O'REILLY in 1896. Their daughter, Catherine, died the same >>>> year. >>>> I >>>> have no information about mother Catherine's death. >>>> >>>> Henry Musgave is then found in 1914 Electroll Roll in Wolfram, near >>>> Chillagoe, Nth Qld, in a Hotel with the leasee known as Jane Musgrave, >>>> his >>>> wife. >>>> >>>> Again no marriage found to Jane. >>>> >>>> The last information I have found is a grave in Cairns Cemetery for a >>>> Henry >>>> MUSGRAVE aged 67, who according to his birthdate, this must be 1929 >>>> also >>>> another baby Musgrave aged 0 but no Jane Musgrave. >>>> >>>> If anyone on the list has some connection to this family or has access >>>> to >>>> any information about Henry and his wifes death, please contact me. It >>>> would >>>> clear up this mystery once and for all. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2215 - Release Date: >>> 07/02/09 >>> 18:06:00 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2215 - Release Date: 07/02/09 > 18:06:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lorrae.....this is very interesting......it will drive me mad trying to find the Mulholland connection now.........his age on arrival......and my home town !! What I would say, a great result....thank you...... Val. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorrae" <lorrae@uqconnect.net> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? > Hi Val > Checked http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html > > Thomas STUART > Regimental number 3905 > Place of birth Bodyke, County Clare, Ireland > School Bodyke National School, Ireland > Age on arrival in Australia 25 > Religion Roman Catholic > Occupation Farm hand > Address Dalby, Queensland > Marital status Single > Age at embarkation 27 > Next of kin Mother, Mrs Kate Stuart, Bodyke, County Clare, Ireland > Enlistment date 15 September 1915 > Rank on enlistment Private > Unit name 26th Battalion, 9th Reinforcement > AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/43/3 > Embarkation details Unit embarked from Brisbane, Queensland, on board HMAT > A62 Wandilla on 31 January 1916 > Regimental number from Nominal Roll 3905A > Rank from Nominal Roll Private > Unit from Nominal Roll 52nd Battalion > Fate Died of wounds 12 September 1916 > Place of death or wounding Died No 3 Casualty Clearing Station, France. > Age at death 30 > Place of burial Puchevillers British Cemetery (Plot IV, Row C, Grave No. > 5), > France > Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War Memorial 156 > Miscellaneous information from cemetery records Native of Ireland > Family/military connections Cousin James S Mulholland Machine Gunner from > Queensland. > Other details War service: Western Front > Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal > > > Now, if you go to http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Login.htm > Sign in as a guest, and search, you will find his digital service record - > you will find 29 pages - should determine some wealth there. > > He died Died of wounds 12 September 1916 > However, it was not until 1922/23 that death certificates were issued so > that Insurance claims and wills/estates could be settled. > > > Lorrae > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Val.Stewart [mailto:myheritage@dodo.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 10:43 AM > To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? > > Jan.....thanks for this......I thought it may have been something to do > with > the "Forces"....don`t know anything about this guy....Thomas > Stuart.....except that he was born in Ireland , 1887 and that he died in > Qld. 1922....parents...Edmond and Catherine Purcell. > Trying to determine where he may have died...... > Have an easy day. > Val.Stewart. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4211 (20090702) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2213 - Release Date: 07/01/09 18:07:00

Mary, there is a possible marriage on the BDM New South Wales of a Henry MUSGRAVE, 1897/8758 to a Emily Jane (could go by Jane) GALBRAITH. Might be worth checking out. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > Thanks Janelle, > Actually I phoned the State Library in Queensland and they have suggested > I > get in touch with the Qld Archives which I have just done, requesting a > look > up of an inquest into a Hotel fire in Qld. with the deaths of Henry > Musgrave > and wife Jane.The electroll Roll shows them running a Hotel at Wolfram via > Chillagoe in 1914. Will also check the Cairns Post Archives as you have > suggested. Possibly the Henry Musgrave in Cairns Cemetery could be another > person, but if this death took place in 1929-30, then the age is correct > as > he was born in 1862. Will do as you suggested and ask the Council about > this > burial. > Thanks for all your help with this...it is turning out to be a big > mystery. > > Kind regards, > > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> > To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > > >> Mary, >> why don't you use the Ask a Librarian Service through the State Library >> of >> Queensland to see if there was a funeral notice, or look at the State >> Archives of Queensland to see if there was an inquest. The Cairns Post >> is >> the paper up that way. >> Also contact the Cairns City Council, I think I gave you that burial off >> their city council burial site, ask them what information their cemetery >> has... >> Jenelle. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> >> To: "AUS-QLD" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:22 PM >> Subject: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. >> >> >>> Hello List, >>> >>> Thankyou to all the people who have helped me with any information >>> regarding >>> Henry MUSGRAVE and his family. >>> >>> I have found out quite a lot about him, except his death. >>> >>> Henry MUSGRAVE b.1862, (son of Henry MUSGRAVE d.1877 Buried in Toowong >>> Cemetery Brisbane >>> and Julia RYNG Musgrave d.1891). >>> >>> m. Kate Ide McELROY ,b.1861, daughter of Peter McELROY and Catherine >>> SMITH >>> Kate d. 1891, aged 30 and is buried in Bundaberg Catholic Cemetery with >>> daughter Vera Lucy who died in 1885. >>> >>> Children >>> >>> 1. Vera Lucy Musgrave b.1884 >>> 2. Herbert Cecil Musgrave b.1885 >>> 3. Alice Muriel Musgrave b.1887 >>> 4. Irene Ethel Musgrave b.1888 >>> 5 Gertrude Ide Musgrave, b.1890, m. Wylie Hardwick 1923, died 1983 >>> buried >>> in Toowoomba. >>> >>> Gertrude Hardwick told her grandchildren, that there were 2 fires. First >>> one in Bundaberg where no one was hurt, which I have found in a >>> newspaper >>> report and a second fire in which her parents perished, and that she >>> and >>> her siblings were put into an orphanage but not sure of the date. >>> Gertrude >>> was very frightened of fires . >>> >>> It was the 2nd unknown Hotel fire that caused the parents death. This is >>> my >>> stumbling block as I cannot find any information about Henry perishing >>> in >>> a >>> fire or an inquest into any fires. >>> >>> Kate Musgrave Henrys wife, died in 1892 and Henry married a 2nd time to >>> Catherine O'REILLY in 1896. Their daughter, Catherine, died the same >>> year. >>> I >>> have no information about mother Catherine's death. >>> >>> Henry Musgave is then found in 1914 Electroll Roll in Wolfram, near >>> Chillagoe, Nth Qld, in a Hotel with the leasee known as Jane Musgrave, >>> his >>> wife. >>> >>> Again no marriage found to Jane. >>> >>> The last information I have found is a grave in Cairns Cemetery for a >>> Henry >>> MUSGRAVE aged 67, who according to his birthdate, this must be 1929 >>> also >>> another baby Musgrave aged 0 but no Jane Musgrave. >>> >>> If anyone on the list has some connection to this family or has access >>> to >>> any information about Henry and his wifes death, please contact me. It >>> would >>> clear up this mystery once and for all. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2215 - Release Date: 07/02/09 >> 18:06:00 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Val Checked http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html Thomas STUART Regimental number 3905 Place of birth Bodyke, County Clare, Ireland School Bodyke National School, Ireland Age on arrival in Australia 25 Religion Roman Catholic Occupation Farm hand Address Dalby, Queensland Marital status Single Age at embarkation 27 Next of kin Mother, Mrs Kate Stuart, Bodyke, County Clare, Ireland Enlistment date 15 September 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 26th Battalion, 9th Reinforcement AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/43/3 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Brisbane, Queensland, on board HMAT A62 Wandilla on 31 January 1916 Regimental number from Nominal Roll 3905A Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 52nd Battalion Fate Died of wounds 12 September 1916 Place of death or wounding Died No 3 Casualty Clearing Station, France. Age at death 30 Place of burial Puchevillers British Cemetery (Plot IV, Row C, Grave No. 5), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War Memorial 156 Miscellaneous information from cemetery records Native of Ireland Family/military connections Cousin James S Mulholland Machine Gunner from Queensland. Other details War service: Western Front Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal Now, if you go to http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Login.htm Sign in as a guest, and search, you will find his digital service record - you will find 29 pages - should determine some wealth there. He died Died of wounds 12 September 1916 However, it was not until 1922/23 that death certificates were issued so that Insurance claims and wills/estates could be settled. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Val.Stewart [mailto:myheritage@dodo.com.au] Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 10:43 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? Jan.....thanks for this......I thought it may have been something to do with the "Forces"....don`t know anything about this guy....Thomas Stuart.....except that he was born in Ireland , 1887 and that he died in Qld. 1922....parents...Edmond and Catherine Purcell. Trying to determine where he may have died...... Have an easy day. Val.Stewart. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Mary, They are on the roll till 1913 at Klondyke, Chillagoe, (if you google Klondyke, Chillagoe, you will find some information). If Henry was a Licencee, contact State Archives for that information, jane must have died 1919, he appears on the rolls in the Chillagoe area till 1930, as a cook... Did you look for the death of any Musgave, besides Henry from the Cairns City Council cemetery on the BDM.... up to 1929 on line, 1964 on fiche. Did you look for the birth of any children for Henry and Jane. Jenelle.

All I could suggest is that you get his Death Cert. I haven't done much Qld research (only two rellies that I know of went that way) so not sure what is available up there. There is a woman with a website who has all sorts of records - some are available for free, some you have to pay for. But can't remember what her name is. She is a genealogist. You might also ask Brisbane Hospital if they have an Archivist - or what happened to their old records. You might also try looking up cemetery records in Brisbane area. Although I wonder if he was a sailmaker on a ship (spose they had them on board). Might not have ended up with a permanent headstone. Just noticed I spelt pht... incorrectly. Sorry about that. But I do what it is - have a long line of rellies who died from it. Also, have you tried other spellings of Olsen - Olson, Old... perhaps? I've got some good old Irish Kavanaghs and its amazing how that could be rendered!! Barbara

Thanks Janelle, Actually I phoned the State Library in Queensland and they have suggested I get in touch with the Qld Archives which I have just done, requesting a look up of an inquest into a Hotel fire in Qld. with the deaths of Henry Musgrave and wife Jane.The electroll Roll shows them running a Hotel at Wolfram via Chillagoe in 1914. Will also check the Cairns Post Archives as you have suggested. Possibly the Henry Musgrave in Cairns Cemetery could be another person, but if this death took place in 1929-30, then the age is correct as he was born in 1862. Will do as you suggested and ask the Council about this burial. Thanks for all your help with this...it is turning out to be a big mystery. Kind regards, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > Mary, > why don't you use the Ask a Librarian Service through the State Library of > Queensland to see if there was a funeral notice, or look at the State > Archives of Queensland to see if there was an inquest. The Cairns Post is > the paper up that way. > Also contact the Cairns City Council, I think I gave you that burial off > their city council burial site, ask them what information their cemetery > has... > Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> > To: "AUS-QLD" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:22 PM > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > > >> Hello List, >> >> Thankyou to all the people who have helped me with any information >> regarding >> Henry MUSGRAVE and his family. >> >> I have found out quite a lot about him, except his death. >> >> Henry MUSGRAVE b.1862, (son of Henry MUSGRAVE d.1877 Buried in Toowong >> Cemetery Brisbane >> and Julia RYNG Musgrave d.1891). >> >> m. Kate Ide McELROY ,b.1861, daughter of Peter McELROY and Catherine >> SMITH >> Kate d. 1891, aged 30 and is buried in Bundaberg Catholic Cemetery with >> daughter Vera Lucy who died in 1885. >> >> Children >> >> 1. Vera Lucy Musgrave b.1884 >> 2. Herbert Cecil Musgrave b.1885 >> 3. Alice Muriel Musgrave b.1887 >> 4. Irene Ethel Musgrave b.1888 >> 5 Gertrude Ide Musgrave, b.1890, m. Wylie Hardwick 1923, died 1983 >> buried >> in Toowoomba. >> >> Gertrude Hardwick told her grandchildren, that there were 2 fires. First >> one in Bundaberg where no one was hurt, which I have found in a newspaper >> report and a second fire in which her parents perished, and that she and >> her siblings were put into an orphanage but not sure of the date. >> Gertrude >> was very frightened of fires . >> >> It was the 2nd unknown Hotel fire that caused the parents death. This is >> my >> stumbling block as I cannot find any information about Henry perishing in >> a >> fire or an inquest into any fires. >> >> Kate Musgrave Henrys wife, died in 1892 and Henry married a 2nd time to >> Catherine O'REILLY in 1896. Their daughter, Catherine, died the same >> year. >> I >> have no information about mother Catherine's death. >> >> Henry Musgave is then found in 1914 Electroll Roll in Wolfram, near >> Chillagoe, Nth Qld, in a Hotel with the leasee known as Jane Musgrave, >> his >> wife. >> >> Again no marriage found to Jane. >> >> The last information I have found is a grave in Cairns Cemetery for a >> Henry >> MUSGRAVE aged 67, who according to his birthdate, this must be 1929 also >> another baby Musgrave aged 0 but no Jane Musgrave. >> >> If anyone on the list has some connection to this family or has access to >> any information about Henry and his wifes death, please contact me. It >> would >> clear up this mystery once and for all. >> >> Many thanks, >> Kind regards, >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2215 - Release Date: 07/02/09 > 18:06:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary, there is a death of Catherine Musgrave, 1896/C507, parents William Henry Andrews/Catherine O'Reilly in the BDM online, you may have to purchase her death certificate. C is for Country death, you may have to look for Henry Musgave on State Electoral rolls (on mirofiche), women ren't on them till later to see where he was living... Jenelle.

Mary, why don't you use the Ask a Librarian Service through the State Library of Queensland to see if there was a funeral notice, or look at the State Archives of Queensland to see if there was an inquest. The Cairns Post is the paper up that way. Also contact the Cairns City Council, I think I gave you that burial off their city council burial site, ask them what information their cemetery has... Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> To: "AUS-QLD" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Looking for Henry MUSGRAVE death. Update. > Hello List, > > Thankyou to all the people who have helped me with any information > regarding > Henry MUSGRAVE and his family. > > I have found out quite a lot about him, except his death. > > Henry MUSGRAVE b.1862, (son of Henry MUSGRAVE d.1877 Buried in Toowong > Cemetery Brisbane > and Julia RYNG Musgrave d.1891). > > m. Kate Ide McELROY ,b.1861, daughter of Peter McELROY and Catherine SMITH > Kate d. 1891, aged 30 and is buried in Bundaberg Catholic Cemetery with > daughter Vera Lucy who died in 1885. > > Children > > 1. Vera Lucy Musgrave b.1884 > 2. Herbert Cecil Musgrave b.1885 > 3. Alice Muriel Musgrave b.1887 > 4. Irene Ethel Musgrave b.1888 > 5 Gertrude Ide Musgrave, b.1890, m. Wylie Hardwick 1923, died 1983 > buried > in Toowoomba. > > Gertrude Hardwick told her grandchildren, that there were 2 fires. First > one in Bundaberg where no one was hurt, which I have found in a newspaper > report and a second fire in which her parents perished, and that she and > her siblings were put into an orphanage but not sure of the date. Gertrude > was very frightened of fires . > > It was the 2nd unknown Hotel fire that caused the parents death. This is > my > stumbling block as I cannot find any information about Henry perishing in > a > fire or an inquest into any fires. > > Kate Musgrave Henrys wife, died in 1892 and Henry married a 2nd time to > Catherine O'REILLY in 1896. Their daughter, Catherine, died the same year. > I > have no information about mother Catherine's death. > > Henry Musgave is then found in 1914 Electroll Roll in Wolfram, near > Chillagoe, Nth Qld, in a Hotel with the leasee known as Jane Musgrave, his > wife. > > Again no marriage found to Jane. > > The last information I have found is a grave in Cairns Cemetery for a > Henry > MUSGRAVE aged 67, who according to his birthdate, this must be 1929 also > another baby Musgrave aged 0 but no Jane Musgrave. > > If anyone on the list has some connection to this family or has access to > any information about Henry and his wifes death, please contact me. It > would > clear up this mystery once and for all. > > Many thanks, > Kind regards, > > Mary > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2215 - Release Date: 07/02/09 18:06:00

Hello List, Thankyou to all the people who have helped me with any information regarding Henry MUSGRAVE and his family. I have found out quite a lot about him, except his death. Henry MUSGRAVE b.1862, (son of Henry MUSGRAVE d.1877 Buried in Toowong Cemetery Brisbane and Julia RYNG Musgrave d.1891). m. Kate Ide McELROY ,b.1861, daughter of Peter McELROY and Catherine SMITH Kate d. 1891, aged 30 and is buried in Bundaberg Catholic Cemetery with daughter Vera Lucy who died in 1885. Children 1. Vera Lucy Musgrave b.1884 2. Herbert Cecil Musgrave b.1885 3. Alice Muriel Musgrave b.1887 4. Irene Ethel Musgrave b.1888 5 Gertrude Ide Musgrave, b.1890, m. Wylie Hardwick 1923, died 1983 buried in Toowoomba. Gertrude Hardwick told her grandchildren, that there were 2 fires. First one in Bundaberg where no one was hurt, which I have found in a newspaper report and a second fire in which her parents perished, and that she and her siblings were put into an orphanage but not sure of the date. Gertrude was very frightened of fires . It was the 2nd unknown Hotel fire that caused the parents death. This is my stumbling block as I cannot find any information about Henry perishing in a fire or an inquest into any fires. Kate Musgrave Henrys wife, died in 1892 and Henry married a 2nd time to Catherine O'REILLY in 1896. Their daughter, Catherine, died the same year. I have no information about mother Catherine's death. Henry Musgave is then found in 1914 Electroll Roll in Wolfram, near Chillagoe, Nth Qld, in a Hotel with the leasee known as Jane Musgrave, his wife. Again no marriage found to Jane. The last information I have found is a grave in Cairns Cemetery for a Henry MUSGRAVE aged 67, who according to his birthdate, this must be 1929 also another baby Musgrave aged 0 but no Jane Musgrave. If anyone on the list has some connection to this family or has access to any information about Henry and his wifes death, please contact me. It would clear up this mystery once and for all. Many thanks, Kind regards, Mary

Val, Your Thomas STUART, was a Farm Hand, aged 27 of Dalby. He is buried Puchevillers British Cemetery, France after dying of wounds 12.9.1916 & his name is on the memorial wall. His mother was Kate STUART, of Bodyke, Co. Clare, Ireland. Cheers, Jules. Warren, NSW. (but a dinky di QLD girl). julie.dern@bigpond.com http://derngenealogy.tribalpages.com

Just had a look on National Archives digitised newspapers. Nothing comes up for Leonora but there is mention of a Lars Olsen, aged 44 years, Sailmaker - admitted to Brisbane Hospital June 4, died August ??, Phyhisis (TB). Probably not yours - age is about 10 years out, but perhaps worth looking at it you haven't already done so. http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3421230?searchTerm=%22lars+olsen%22 Regards Barbara

Jan.....thanks for this......I thought it may have been something to do with the "Forces"....don`t know anything about this guy....Thomas Stuart.....except that he was born in Ireland , 1887 and that he died in Qld. 1922....parents...Edmond and Catherine Purcell. Trying to determine where he may have died...... Have an easy day. Val.Stewart. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Jan" <jst88221@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? > HI Val > > Have the same with a couple of ours that died in the War..... I think it > means Foreign > > the ones I have were killed in Action in the First World War.. and were > not > regigstered until 1922 but actually died in 1915 and 1917 > > cheers > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Val.Stewart" <myheritage@dodo.com.au> > To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:23 AM > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? > > >> Hello members.....I have a question......the letter "F" in front of a >> Death Registration eg. F8454.....what does it represent ? >> >> Thank you, >> Val. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2213 - Release Date: 07/01/09 > 18:07:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2213 - Release Date: 07/01/09 18:07:00

Hi Lorrae, Yes, the slope makes for a handy multi-story carpark now (in a suburb famed for the difficulty of getting a park). I wonder if there was a coronial inquest for your Samuel POLLARD? Good luck, Deb -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorrae Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] C1915 - Tramway Fitter at Paddington Thanks Alan and Deb Now that makes sense too. The link Deb provided showed that: It was on the side of a hill and was largely timber and corrugated iron panels. The front of the depot was at street level, but owing to the slope of the site, the rear of the depot was supported by a forest of timber supports, some over 50 feet (15 m) high. The State Library of Qld shows: http://blogs.slq.qld.gov.au/jol/2009/06/01/paddington/ 1915 - Paddington Tram Depot constructed. Samuel POLLARD died on 2 April 1915 as a result of an accident at work - he was a Tramway Fitter. I need to do more research here to determine his cause of death - more than what would be recorded on his death cert. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

Lorrae, you're very welcome! I was going to add, too, how much I've enjoyed reading about people's memories of co-ops, trams, etc lately on this list. I know we mostly occupy ourselves with the research/data end of the scale, but it's been great to hear more of the interpretation/social history aspects, too. This list is such a fabulous source of information and inspiration -- thank you all! Best, Deb (in chilly Bris) -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorrae Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Co-Operative Cash Stores Limited - c1915 Thanks Estelle and Deb, Your input very much appreciated. I love learning history on this List. Thanks everyone Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

HI Val Have the same with a couple of ours that died in the War..... I think it means Foreign the ones I have were killed in Action in the First World War.. and were not regigstered until 1922 but actually died in 1915 and 1917 cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val.Stewart" <myheritage@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Death Reg. ? > Hello members.....I have a question......the letter "F" in front of a > Death Registration eg. F8454.....what does it represent ? > > Thank you, > Val. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2213 - Release Date: 07/01/09 18:07:00

Hello members.....I have a question......the letter "F" in front of a Death Registration eg. F8454.....what does it represent ? Thank you, Val.