Not sure if these are of any direct relevance, but the old newspapers are full of interesting snippets about Mr Orr, the butcher: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1260293 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3709538 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3711667 I found these (and others) in just a few moments by doing a search on "orr butcher" in the Moreton Bay Courier: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?searchTerm=orr+butcher&textSearc hScope=full&facet=titleid:14 so have a play with it and I am sure you will be well rewarded. Kerry

Hi Jan, Thank you so very much for looking up those records, specially giving some ages, and burial places. I can tell it's going to be a long hard hunt, hopefully with a good result. Cheers, Jill

Hello Janet, Thank you very much for sending me those Elect Roll records. What is the number at the end of the row? Cheers, Jill

Hi Jan, William ORR snr was married to Jane HUNTER in Scotland, his parent's were James ORR and Jean GALT. He settled in Rockhampton about 1860, died in 1881. He had a sons William, James, Thomas, John and George. All were in Qld for periods. John and George settled in Qld, at Rocky and Townsville respectively.The others, and 3 daughters settled in victoria, and daughter Janet married my McWILLIAM g/g.father, newspaper announcement snip>> "Mr.William Orr- If this should meet the eye of the above party(or any of his family),formaly of Bourtra Hill,Ayrshire, Scotland,they will hear from their two Cousins, John And James Orr, who are now in Melbourne,and may be heard of at McLeans,Bucks Head Hotel,Little Lonsdale Street,West; or address by letter to John Orr, South Brisbane, Morton Bay, New South Wales" How would I go about finding John and James ORR at South Brisbane in 1854 on?<< We are just trying to work out if this announcement had anything to do with our ORR family, who were in Victoria in 1854. Bourtree Hill is mentioned in regard to our ORR family, so they could well be cousins. Best wishes, Jill

Hello Judy, The marriage of Peter MURPHY and Catherine THOMPSON, recorded on NSW register would only give you their names, the names of the witnesses, and if the marrige was by Banns or License. The birth records for their children showing on the NSW register and then show up as a baptism on the Qld records would show; - their name - date of birth - date of baptism - where they were baptised - and by whom - the parents names - their place of abode - and occupation of the father. All this information is hand written in the Church Parish Register. If you can wait till Friday, I can get the information for you, but please let me know. Cheers Janet

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" <sajones@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Peter Murphy Hi Judy > It seems all the births were registered in 1854 Qld. In 1854 the future State of Qld was part of the Colony of NSW Civil ( Government) registration of BDM records in NSW dates from 1 Mar 1856 Would there be > more information on the birth certificates than what > appears on the > baptisms - No because there were no such docs as birth certificates then > I also have noticed the marriage was given 2 references: > Peter Murphy to Catherine Thompson 1842 NSW (V1842 493 130 > and V1842 > 126691) I have a copy of the last Reference. Would the > other > reference produce more information? > No. These Church records were very difficult to index , some of the hand writing not brilliant so sometimes there are 2 or 3 possibles . They can be difficult to look up . Transcription only cost about $9 . I reckon that can be money well spend having spent quite a few hours trying to find quite a few refs and ordered the odd transcription Bye MargM QLD List Admin

Thanks, Barbara. The Baptisms available on the Vital Records Index just say Moreton Bay Roman Catholic. I think I will take a trip to the State Library or Family History Society. Best wishes, Judy From: "Barbara Robinson" <bro51909@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Peter Murphy The references with the V before the year date relate to original parish registers which have been filmed, copies are held at Qld State Library, Genealogical Society of Qld and Qld Family History Society Having looked at these films for a marriage in 1851 I recall they do not show much information other than Bride and Grooms names, and date of event, there is little else on the registers. The reference to Moreton Bay RC, not sure wht that means but it could be the old registers for St Stephens Cathedral, these records are held at the Cathedral Archives and also at the Genealogical Society of Qld Inc as we were allowed to film and index these records. Barbara mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au For information about my Genealogy Interests: http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/

The reference to Moreton Bay RC, not sure wht that means but it could be the old registers for St Stephens Cathedral, these records are held at the Cathedral Archives and also at the Genealogical Society of Qld Inc as we were allowed to film and index these records. Barbara BNE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" <sajones@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Peter Murphy > Hi Kerry and Jan! > > Thank you for the Charters Towers Monumental Inscriptions site. I > found 2 Murphys who may be connected to the family - more clues. > > Also, Jan, thank you for those births / baptisms for NSW with the > Qld Pioneer Index. The family I am helping has some of the baptism > documents : > Margaret 1844, Peter 1848, John 1850 and Edward Joseph 1853 - > confirming mother is Catherine Thompson and they were all baptised at > Moreton Bay RC. > However, Richard appears to have been baptised C of E in 1842/3. It > is probably worth getting this baptism, plus the one for Elizabeth > with mother shown as Dewn in the hope they are some of the missing > children. > > It seems all the births were registered in 1854 Qld. Would there be > more information on the birth certificates than what appears on the > baptisms - or would these documents be identical for this time > period. Would it be worthwhile acquiring the birth certificates for > the children? > > I also have noticed the marriage was given 2 references: > Peter Murphy to Catherine Thompson 1842 NSW (V1842 493 130 and V1842 > 126691) I have a copy of the last Reference. Would the other > reference produce more information? > > Thanks very much for any opinions and assistance. > Best wishes, Judy > > mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au > > For information about my Genealogy Interests: > http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/ > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 19:57:00

The references with the V before the year date relate to original parish registers which have been filmed, copies are held at Qld State Library, Genealogical Society of Qld and Qld Family History Society Having looked at these films for a marriage in 1851 I recall they do not show much information other than Bride and Grooms names, and date of event, there is little else on the registers. Barbara BNE ----- Original Message ----. From: "Steve Jones" <sajones@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Peter Murphy > Hi Kerry and Jan! > > Thank you for the Charters Towers Monumental Inscriptions site. I > found 2 Murphys who may be connected to the family - more clues. > > Also, Jan, thank you for those births / baptisms for NSW with the > Qld Pioneer Index. The family I am helping has some of the baptism > documents : > Margaret 1844, Peter 1848, John 1850 and Edward Joseph 1853 - > confirming mother is Catherine Thompson and they were all baptised at > Moreton Bay RC. > However, Richard appears to have been baptised C of E in 1842/3. It > is probably worth getting this baptism, plus the one for Elizabeth > with mother shown as Dewn in the hope they are some of the missing > children. > > It seems all the births were registered in 1854 Qld. Would there be > more information on the birth certificates than what appears on the > baptisms - or would these documents be identical for this time > period. Would it be worthwhile acquiring the birth certificates for > the children? > > I also have noticed the marriage was given 2 references: > Peter Murphy to Catherine Thompson 1842 NSW (V1842 493 130 and V1842 > 126691) I have a copy of the last Reference. Would the other > reference produce more information? > > Thanks very much for any opinions and assistance. > Best wishes, Judy > > mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au > > For information about my Genealogy Interests: > http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/ > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 19:57:00

Hi Kerry and Jan! Thank you for the Charters Towers Monumental Inscriptions site. I found 2 Murphys who may be connected to the family - more clues. Also, Jan, thank you for those births / baptisms for NSW with the Qld Pioneer Index. The family I am helping has some of the baptism documents : Margaret 1844, Peter 1848, John 1850 and Edward Joseph 1853 - confirming mother is Catherine Thompson and they were all baptised at Moreton Bay RC. However, Richard appears to have been baptised C of E in 1842/3. It is probably worth getting this baptism, plus the one for Elizabeth with mother shown as Dewn in the hope they are some of the missing children. It seems all the births were registered in 1854 Qld. Would there be more information on the birth certificates than what appears on the baptisms - or would these documents be identical for this time period. Would it be worthwhile acquiring the birth certificates for the children? I also have noticed the marriage was given 2 references: Peter Murphy to Catherine Thompson 1842 NSW (V1842 493 130 and V1842 126691) I have a copy of the last Reference. Would the other reference produce more information? Thanks very much for any opinions and assistance. Best wishes, Judy mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au For information about my Genealogy Interests: http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/

Hi Jill There are a few James and John ORR's on the Pioneer and Fed. Index. here are a couple of the Deaths with Brisbane Rego No's ... Plus a couple with ages.. John ORR died 11-8-1871 Father ORR No mother mentioned ref 1871/B006873 ***age 82 born Scotland... John ORR died 5-10-1875 Father John ORR Mother Jane MILCOMSON ref 1875/B009976 ***buried South Brisbane Cemetery.. James ORR Died 6-3-1867 Father William ORR Mother Nancy AGNEW ref 1867/B003929 James ORR died 28-6-1868 No Parents Mentioned ref 1868/000007 ***age 34 born Scotland. James ORR died 26-9-1875 Father John ORR Mother Janet ref 1875/B009943 **buried South Brisbane Cemetery...*** age 48 Born Scotland.. James ORR died 24-12-1910 Father James ORR Mother MaryMc ALPINE ref 1910/B013519 John Chambers .Cooper . ORR died 29-12-1909 Father David ORR Mother Martha SHEPHERD ref 1909/B011932** Buried in South Brisbane Cemetery John ORR died 9-10-1912 Father John ORR Mother Kate DALRYMPLE ref 1912/001317 **age 74 buried11-10-1912 in Toowong Cemetery. **this one dose not have a Brisbane Rego No. but he is buried in Toowong.. Jan

Hello Jill, These are the only ORR males living South Brisbane for the following Electoral Rolls: ORR William South Brisbane 1867-68 Freeholder Stanley st 14 ORR William South Brisbane 1866-67 Freeholder Stanley st 11 ORR William South Brisbane 1864-65 Freeholder Stanley st 4 ORR John South Brisbane 1867-68 Freeholder Stanley st 14 ORR John South Brisbane 1864-65 Freeholder Stanley st 4 ORR John South Brisbane 1866-67 Freeholder Stanley st 11 ORR John South Brisbane 1869-70 Freeholder Stanley st 22 ORR James South Brisbane 1864-65 Freeholder Stanley st 4 ORR James South Brisbane 1866-67 Freeholder Stanley st 11 ORR James South Brisbane 1869-70 Freeholder Stanley st 22 ORR James South Brisbane 1867-68 Freeholder Stanley st 14 ORR William E. South Brisbane 1867-68 Householder Tribune st 14 ORR William E. South Brisbane 1866-67 Householder Tribune st., South Brisbane 11 Cheers Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmglover" <jmglover@tpg.com.au> To: "AUS-QLD list" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] James ORR, Butcher, south brisbane > Hi everyone, > Is anyone related/researching this man and other ORR family members in > South Brisbane in the 1850/60s on? A cousin is trying to tie this family > in > with William and John ORR from Rockhampton, and I've been unable to find > anything much about them, just notices in newspapers that don't give me > any > clues as to who belongs to who? > It seems that cousins, of William ORR (from Rockhampton) ,were trying > to > make contact with him in Victoria, and were then coming to South Brisbane, > it would be great to know if the James and other family members were > related:- > > "Mr.William Orr- > If this should meet the eye of the above party(or any of his > family),formaly of Bourtra Hill,Ayrshire, Scotland,they will hear from > their > two Cousins, John And James Orr, who are now in Melbourne,and may be heard > of at McLeans,Bucks Head Hotel,Little Lonsdale Street,West; or address by > letter to John Orr, South Brisbane, Morton Bay, New South Wales" > How would I go about finding John and James ORR at South Brisbane in > 1854 on? > > Many thanks, > Bye for now, > Cheers, > Jill > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jill Who are the parents of William and John ORR in Rockhampton Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmglover" <jmglover@tpg.com.au> To: "AUS-QLD list" <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] James ORR, Butcher, south brisbane > Hi everyone, > Is anyone related/researching this man and other ORR family members in > South Brisbane in the 1850/60s on? A cousin is trying to tie this family > in > with William and John ORR from Rockhampton, and I've been unable to find

Hi Mike, snip>> Is anyone related/researching this man and other ORR family members in South Brisbane in the 1850/60s on? << It's possible that they went to Rockhampton, but there has never been any mention of them there at all in family notes, BDM's etc. There are frequent mentions of John and James ORR at South Brisbane in newspapers of the day, cir 1854 on, Butchers and also owners of large areas of land , and also 1400 head of cattle for sale, must have been quite well off. My William ORR snr., who went to Rockhampton, had sons James and John, but their ages wouldn't fit in with the above info, they were too young, and still in Vic. at that time, though that's not proven yet. Thanks for replying, Cheers, Jill

Hi everyone, Is anyone related/researching this man and other ORR family members in South Brisbane in the 1850/60s on? A cousin is trying to tie this family in with William and John ORR from Rockhampton, and I've been unable to find anything much about them, just notices in newspapers that don't give me any clues as to who belongs to who? It seems that cousins, of William ORR (from Rockhampton) ,were trying to make contact with him in Victoria, and were then coming to South Brisbane, it would be great to know if the James and other family members were related:- "Mr.William Orr- If this should meet the eye of the above party(or any of his family),formaly of Bourtra Hill,Ayrshire, Scotland,they will hear from their two Cousins, John And James Orr, who are now in Melbourne,and may be heard of at McLeans,Bucks Head Hotel,Little Lonsdale Street,West; or address by letter to John Orr, South Brisbane, Morton Bay, New South Wales" How would I go about finding John and James ORR at South Brisbane in 1854 on? Many thanks, Bye for now, Cheers, Jill

Hi Ainslie, The Ryerson Index lists 2 death notices for a Noel Frederick BLACK published in the Sydney Morning Herald One who died 31 JUL 2001 aged 76 late of Blakehurst death notice published 01 Aug 2001 and one who died 14 JUL 1987 death notice published 18 JUL 1987. There was also a death notice for the Noel Frederick BLACK who died 14 JULY 1987 published in the Townsville Bulletin 08 Aug 1987. Lyn > I'm looking for anyone who might be related or know about a former > friend, Noel FrederickBlack, formerly of Townsville, Queensland. Noel > was an engineer with the NZ Shipping Co. in the early 60s through to the > 1970s. >

Thank you Julie, much appreciated. Jane

Hi folks, I should have added, Noel Frederick Black was from Townsville.Qld. probably born in the mid to late 1930s. Cheers Ainslie

Ainslie, the telephone directory if he is with Telstra is www.whitepages.com.au also try our local newspaper - www.townsvillebulletin.com.au with a Letter to the Editor, that might help. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslie Pyne" <woodart@woodart.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Re Noel Frederick Black ex NZ Shipping Co & P&O Engineer > Hi folks, > > I should have added, Noel Frederick Black was from Townsville.Qld. > probably born in the mid to late 1930s. > > Cheers > Ainslie > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 19:57:00

Hi folk, I'm looking for anyone who might be related or know about a former friend, Noel FrederickBlack, formerly of Townsville, Queensland. Noel was an engineer with the NZ Shipping Co. in the early 60s through to the 1970s. At the time we met in Nelson, NZ in the mid 1960s he was a 3rd Engineer. He went on to get his Chief's Ticket and after the NZ Shipping Co was taken over by P&O he was posted to an oil tanker and we lost touch with him. Noel used to take his annual leave when his ship came to either Aust or NZ and he'd fly over to Sydney to catch up with family and friends. Cheers, Ainslie