No they don't...but thank goodness I have an elderly Great Aunt who is to the point..(get over it, saves lots of years and hours looking for stuff not there)...remember someone always knows something...stop texting and tweeting and social stuff, go visit someone..you never know what you learn froma rellie or a neighbour.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 6:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Emma Gobell Our ancestors certainly don't make it easy for us researchers, do they:-} Joan Yes that's her 2nd husband...she was with child on the voyage out, had babe then later had another then married one Edward Smith..then later to Thomas Macquarie Ferguson..(got all of that)..its just what happened to the babes..I've seen the fiche at our Historical society, ship arrivals, got the death reg..where they are what they died of... Jenelle. Hi Jenelle I saw the marriage of an Emma Gobell in 1905 to Thomas McQuary Ferguson....is this the same Emma? Joan Actually makes me think Joan what happened to (2) babies (oonly one father was named for the first) who died to Emma Gobell... Jenelle. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Our ancestors certainly don't make it easy for us researchers, do they:-} Joan Yes that's her 2nd husband...she was with child on the voyage out, had babe then later had another then married one Edward Smith..then later to Thomas Macquarie Ferguson..(got all of that)..its just what happened to the babes..I've seen the fiche at our Historical society, ship arrivals, got the death reg..where they are what they died of... Jenelle. Hi Jenelle I saw the marriage of an Emma Gobell in 1905 to Thomas McQuary Ferguson....is this the same Emma? Joan Actually makes me think Joan what happened to (2) babies (oonly one father was named for the first) who died to Emma Gobell... Jenelle.

Yes that's her 2nd husband...she was with child on the voyage out, had babe then later had another then married one Edward Smith..then later to Thomas Macquarie Ferguson..(got all of that)..its just what happened to the babes..I've seen the fiche at our Historical society, ship arrivals, got the death reg..where they are what they died of... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 4:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Emma Gobell Hi Jenelle I saw the marriage of an Emma Gobell in 1905 to Thomas McQuary Ferguson....is this the same Emma? Joan Actually makes me think Joan what happened to (2) babies (oonly one father was named for the first) who died to Emma Gobell... Jenelle. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenelle I saw the marriage of an Emma Gobell in 1905 to Thomas McQuary Ferguson....is this the same Emma? Joan Actually makes me think Joan what happened to (2) babies (oonly one father was named for the first) who died to Emma Gobell... Jenelle.

Actually makes me think Joan what happened to (2) babies (oonly one father was named for the first) who died to Emma Gobell... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 4:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Baby Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan No, I haven't applied for that as was more interested in Alexander Stuart and just wondered about any connection to the baby....but both you and Greg have given me something to ponder on. Thank you Joan Quite possibly, if a single mother or a sickly baby in the hospital, mother with post partam depression.. Do you have the death certificate. Jenelle. Many thanks Jenelle for your interest and comment. Even if the baby was 3 mths old could this still occur? Joan Joan sometimes the still born babies were put in graves that were opened at the time, at the foot of perhaps a woman who died in child birth, I have found an entry for one of my uncle's wee babes in a grave with a lot of still-born babies, (common grave).. Jenelle. Many thanks Greg, I wonder if Alexander was the father?? Kind regards Joan in NSW Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Greg and Jenelle for your help and thoughts re the burial of the baby in my great uncle's grave. Cheers Joan

No, I haven't applied for that as was more interested in Alexander Stuart and just wondered about any connection to the baby....but both you and Greg have given me something to ponder on. Thank you Joan Quite possibly, if a single mother or a sickly baby in the hospital, mother with post partam depression.. Do you have the death certificate. Jenelle. Many thanks Jenelle for your interest and comment. Even if the baby was 3 mths old could this still occur? Joan Joan sometimes the still born babies were put in graves that were opened at the time, at the foot of perhaps a woman who died in child birth, I have found an entry for one of my uncle's wee babes in a grave with a lot of still-born babies, (common grave).. Jenelle. Many thanks Greg, I wonder if Alexander was the father?? Kind regards Joan in NSW Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS

Quite possibly, if a single mother or a sickly baby in the hospital, mother with post partam depression.. Do you have the death certificate. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Baby Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan Many thanks Jenelle for your interest and comment. Even if the baby was 3 mths old could this still occur? Joan Joan sometimes the still born babies were put in graves that were opened at the time, at the foot of perhaps a woman who died in child birth, I have found an entry for one of my uncle's wee babes in a grave with a lot of still-born babies, (common grave).. Jenelle. Many thanks Greg, I wonder if Alexander was the father?? Kind regards Joan in NSW Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS On 23/09/2012 1:54 PM, Joan Birtles wrote: > Good afternoon listers > > > > I am after help please in finding any information on a 3 mth old baby named > Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan who is in the same grave as my g uncle > Alexander Stuart. > > > > Alexander Stuart was buried Lutwyche Cemetery 17 Aug 1949. He had died 12 > Aug 1949. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Jenelle for your interest and comment. Even if the baby was 3 mths old could this still occur? Joan Joan sometimes the still born babies were put in graves that were opened at the time, at the foot of perhaps a woman who died in child birth, I have found an entry for one of my uncle's wee babes in a grave with a lot of still-born babies, (common grave).. Jenelle. Many thanks Greg, I wonder if Alexander was the father?? Kind regards Joan in NSW Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS On 23/09/2012 1:54 PM, Joan Birtles wrote: > Good afternoon listers > > > > I am after help please in finding any information on a 3 mth old baby named > Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan who is in the same grave as my g uncle > Alexander Stuart. > > > > Alexander Stuart was buried Lutwyche Cemetery 17 Aug 1949. He had died 12 > Aug 1949.

Joan sometimes the still born babies were put in graves that were opened at the time, at the foot of perhaps a woman who died in child birth, I have found an entry for one of my uncle's wee babes in a grave with a lot of still-born babies, (common grave).. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 3:13 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Baby Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan Many thanks Greg, I wonder if Alexander was the father?? Kind regards Joan in NSW Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS On 23/09/2012 1:54 PM, Joan Birtles wrote: > Good afternoon listers > > > > I am after help please in finding any information on a 3 mth old baby named > Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan who is in the same grave as my g uncle > Alexander Stuart. > > > > Alexander Stuart was buried Lutwyche Cemetery 17 Aug 1949. He had died 12 > Aug 1949. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Greg, I wonder if Alexander was the father?? Kind regards Joan in NSW Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS On 23/09/2012 1:54 PM, Joan Birtles wrote: > Good afternoon listers > > > > I am after help please in finding any information on a 3 mth old baby named > Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan who is in the same grave as my g uncle Alexander > Stuart. > > > > Alexander Stuart was buried Lutwyche Cemetery 17 Aug 1949. He had died 12 > Aug 1949.

Wilford Joseph O'SULLIVAN died 25/11/1904 1904/001439 no father and mother Isabella O'SULLIVAN, it was a country registration, not Brisbane Greg DAVIS On 23/09/2012 1:54 PM, Joan Birtles wrote: > Good afternoon listers > > > > I am after help please in finding any information on a 3 mth old baby named > Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan who is in the same grave as my g uncle Alexander > Stuart. > > > > Alexander Stuart was buried Lutwyche Cemetery 17 Aug 1949. He had died 12 > Aug 1949. > > > > Can anyone help me as to when the baby died and who he may have been. > I've not been able to find a marriage for Alexander Stuart and family > stories were that Alexander never married. > > > > Thank you > > Joan

Good afternoon listers I am after help please in finding any information on a 3 mth old baby named Wilford Joseph O'Sullivan who is in the same grave as my g uncle Alexander Stuart. Alexander Stuart was buried Lutwyche Cemetery 17 Aug 1949. He had died 12 Aug 1949. Can anyone help me as to when the baby died and who he may have been. I've not been able to find a marriage for Alexander Stuart and family stories were that Alexander never married. Thank you Joan

I lived in PNG for a few years, many years ago. The transition from the stone age to developing a mature functioning economy in only a few years, relatively speaking, and catching up with the rest of the world, has been a challenge so don't expect too much re getting certificates any time soon. I believe it is still very much a third world country still with a subsistence economy in large part although hurtling at full speed into the here and now on the back of an abundance of mineral resources . In spite of those problems, they always took great pride in their cultural affairs and the war cemeteries that I have visited are in beautiful locations, very peaceful and serene and very well tended. The mantra was and probably still is 'never do today what can be put off till tomorrow' Perhaps a reminder would not go astray. I would be inclined to email a letter to the editor of The Post Courier and see what comes up. Cheers Jocelyn > I do know that he was sent to PNG at some time and ended up > staying there and that is where he died and is buried. I am also > having a lot of trouble getting a copy of his death certificate > from PNG. > >

I visited New Guinea in 1994/5 and we had to get a visa, written out at Port Moresby Airport, had something else in the passport, I remember also at that time the kena was more stronger than the US $.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 9:20 PM To: Margaret S; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records- PNG ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records Hi Jan Thank you for those addresses. Boy it sure does sound difficult. My biggest problem is that I do not know whether he served in the Navy, Army or Air Force and how he came to join the US forces and not the Aus??? I do not like my chances as I am limited to what information I can supply. I do know that he was sent to PNG at some time and ended up staying there and that is where he died and is buried. I am also having a lot of trouble getting a copy of his death certificate from PNG. Hi Marg Very dim memory says folk had to get permission to enter PNG . I went there in the mid 60's and pretty sure I had to get the OK from some Gov Dept in Canberra ????. There is a PNG mailing list and a message board but few posts . Might be worth an email to the Editor of http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20120918/tuhome.htm ?? Looks to be some interesting links in http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~melwgw/png/links.htm Happy hunting ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records Hi Jan Thank you for those addresses. Boy it sure does sound difficult. My biggest problem is that I do not know whether he served in the Navy, Army or Air Force and how he came to join the US forces and not the Aus??? I do not like my chances as I am limited to what information I can supply. I do know that he was sent to PNG at some time and ended up staying there and that is where he died and is buried. I am also having a lot of trouble getting a copy of his death certificate from PNG. Hi Marg Very dim memory says folk had to get permission to enter PNG . I went there in the mid 60's and pretty sure I had to get the OK from some Gov Dept in Canberra ????. There is a PNG mailing list and a message board but few posts . Might be worth an email to the Editor of http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20120918/tuhome.htm ?? Looks to be some interesting links in http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~melwgw/png/links.htm Happy hunting ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin

Hi Marg I couldnt see the difficulty with my Grandad.... I gave them his enlistment and discharge dates his date of birth and name and the ships he was on the day he signed onto a ship and the day he signed off and the rate of pay he was on........................but it was all too hard for them................or else they didnt want to give out the info... good luck Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records Hi Jan Thank you for those addresses. Boy it sure does sound difficult. My biggest problem is that I do not know whether he served in the Navy, Army or Air Force and how he came to join the US forces and not the Aus??? I do not like my chances as I am limited to what information I can supply. I do know that he was sent to PNG at some time and ended up staying there and that is where he died and is buried. I am also having a lot of trouble getting a copy of his death certificate from PNG. Cheers Marg. ________________________________ Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5273 - Release Date: 09/17/12

There's some WW2 American records on the Fold 3 site, do you want me to look Jan for Thomas Michael Murray or Thomas Murray, I have a sub for a few months. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of doug&jan Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 11:36 AM To: Margaret S; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records Hi Margaret Good luck with getting his records... they are very reluctant to give them out... My Grandfather joined the American Navy I have written to them several times for his details.... and they keep putting me from Department to Department..... then they say he had a middle name and if I cant supply the middle name then its not the same person....... I sent Birth and Death certificates with papers we have here about the ships he was on...but they still keep passing it on from Department to Department.... .... You may have better luck Here is where I wrote to... "National Personnell Records Center Military Personnel Records, 9700 Page Avenue St. Louis, Missouri 63132-5100" THEN they advised me to write to the following address .. though dont know why because he was in the Small Ships Sqd. Civilian Personnell Records CENTER 111Winnebago St. Louis, MO 631184199 THEN I get a message to write to Commandant (GMVP -1/2) United States Coast Guard Washington D.C 20593-001 THEN I write to Conchita PARKER Seamen Documentation Specialist Marine Personnell Division National Maritime Center 4200Wilson Blvd. Suite 510 Arlington VA 22203-1804 THEY Forward my application on to Commander Navy Personnell Command (PERS-312) Millington TN 38054-5045 Another application was sent to Office of Maritime Labour, Training & Safety Maritime Administration, MAR -250 Room 7302 Department of Transportation Washington, DC 20590 The name I am still searching for is Thomas MURRAY... I was told that there was a Thomas MURRAY but he had a Middle name... having sent Birth and Death Certificates and a photo in his Uniform and list of ships he was on **taken from a page of their records on his discharge... the rest of papers lost,,, I advised that one record I did find where a middle name was used he used his Fathers name Michael...... so it could possibly be a Thomas Michael MURRAY ....................................I gave up when I received a letter back to say there is no record of a Thomas MICHAEL ever haveing served on the ships I mentioned..... yet the piece of paper that lists the ships he was on definately has his name as Thomas MURRAY.....date enlisted date discharged... birthdate and address in Brisbane.....there are a couple of numbers we cant quite make out.....but I sent them the same copy..... this was quite some time ago so maybe those address's have changed.... but for a cost of a stamp it may be worth trying...I may even try again myself.. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records Morning all Looking for advice on how and where to search to find an Australian man who joined one of the American forces during WW2. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret Good luck with getting his records... they are very reluctant to give them out... My Grandfather joined the American Navy I have written to them several times for his details.... and they keep putting me from Department to Department..... then they say he had a middle name and if I cant supply the middle name then its not the same person....... I sent Birth and Death certificates with papers we have here about the ships he was on...but they still keep passing it on from Department to Department.... .... You may have better luck Here is where I wrote to... "National Personnell Records Center Military Personnel Records, 9700 Page Avenue St. Louis, Missouri 63132-5100" THEN they advised me to write to the following address .. though dont know why because he was in the Small Ships Sqd. Civilian Personnell Records CENTER 111Winnebago St. Louis, MO 631184199 THEN I get a message to write to Commandant (GMVP -1/2) United States Coast Guard Washington D.C 20593-001 THEN I write to Conchita PARKER Seamen Documentation Specialist Marine Personnell Division National Maritime Center 4200Wilson Blvd. Suite 510 Arlington VA 22203-1804 THEY Forward my application on to Commander Navy Personnell Command (PERS-312) Millington TN 38054-5045 Another application was sent to Office of Maritime Labour, Training & Safety Maritime Administration, MAR -250 Room 7302 Department of Transportation Washington, DC 20590 The name I am still searching for is Thomas MURRAY... I was told that there was a Thomas MURRAY but he had a Middle name... having sent Birth and Death Certificates and a photo in his Uniform and list of ships he was on **taken from a page of their records on his discharge... the rest of papers lost,,, I advised that one record I did find where a middle name was used he used his Fathers name Michael...... so it could possibly be a Thomas Michael MURRAY ....................................I gave up when I received a letter back to say there is no record of a Thomas MICHAEL ever haveing served on the ships I mentioned..... yet the piece of paper that lists the ships he was on definately has his name as Thomas MURRAY.....date enlisted date discharged... birthdate and address in Brisbane.....there are a couple of numbers we cant quite make out.....but I sent them the same copy..... this was quite some time ago so maybe those address's have changed.... but for a cost of a stamp it may be worth trying...I may even try again myself.. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] American WW2 records Morning all Looking for advice on how and where to search to find an Australian man who joined one of the American forces during WW2.

I am going to jump in here about WWII US records. I live in the US and have not had much difficulty getting service records from previous wars but I did have to know the branch of the service that the person was in. However I have never tried to get WWII records as both my father and father-in-law kept their enlistment and discharge papers in their personal belongings. It would be neat to see the records from their actual service, but I have never tried to get them. Military records from the 20th century are kept in St. Louis, Missouri. There was a fire in 1973 that destroyed over 16 million records at St. Louis, so it is very probable that the records you seek do not exist. The website says 80% of Army records were destroyed and 75% of Air Force. I couldn't find a reference to Navy records. If you Google the words: Military records St. Louis, there are several links to the National Archives with good information on where to send your request and the form to use. Look at several of the links that explain the fire. There is even one link for Independent researchers for hire at St. Louis. I am uncertain why someone has been told to write all over creation for those records from WWII. I don't believe they are anywhere but St. Louis, if they exist at all. Good luck with your research. Leslie Vaughn