Thanks guys for your efforts. Kerry, thanks. I did find the report of his death, but I didn't find those two. Yes, it seems that Daddy Dearest did have a policy on his son. I wonder why? He was only 17 when he died. Still it seems that the family had money. But I wonder if that was standard practice back then ? Cheers Robyn On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls (Kerry Raymond) > 2. Re: Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls (Kerry Raymond) > 3. Re: Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls (Kerry Raymond) > 4. Re: Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls (Kerry Raymond) > 5. QLD BBM ordering survey (MargM) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:33:37 +1000 > From: "Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The death of Charles is mentioned here: > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62662085 > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article36754190 > > It seems Dad had a life insurance policy on him! > > Kerry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2012 6:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > > Robyn, births only go up to 1919 on fiche, deaths till 1964, marriages 1939 > (on fiche) you could try the www.ww2roll.gov.au to see if Charles had war > service, or the electoral rolls or the newspapers on line for > announcements. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Robyn McKinney > Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 6:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > > Hello, > > I'm looking for the children of *Frank Newton ALSTON* and *Kate Winifred > GARBUTT*, who were married in 1915 in Ingham (I think). > > I believe they had 3 children (although there could be more) > > We have so far :- > > Charles Rowland ALSTON > Eric Newton ALSTON > Beryl Frances ALSTON (we think around 1923, therefore the boys before that, > we assume) > > but we don't have any dates. > > Could SKS please provide any details ... dates, places etc > > Much appreciated. > > Cheers > Robyn > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... 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Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:39:16 +1000 > From: "Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here is an account of his death: > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article41557730 > > He was 17 when he died so you can get a rough date of birth from that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kerry Raymond [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2012 10:34 PM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > > The death of Charles is mentioned here: > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62662085 > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article36754190 > > It seems Dad had a life insurance policy on him! > > Kerry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2012 6:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > > Robyn, births only go up to 1919 on fiche, deaths till 1964, marriages 1939 > (on fiche) you could try the www.ww2roll.gov.au to see if Charles had war > service, or the electoral rolls or the newspapers on line for > announcements. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Robyn McKinney > Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 6:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Qld Births after 1915 Lookup pls > > Hello, > > I'm looking for the children of *Frank Newton ALSTON* and *Kate Winifred > GARBUTT*, who were married in 1915 in Ingham (I think). > > I believe they had 3 children (although there could be more) > > We have so far :- > > Charles Rowland ALSTON > Eric Newton ALSTON > Beryl Frances ALSTON (we think around 1923, therefore the boys before that, > we assume) > > but we don't have any dates. > > Could SKS please provide any details ... dates, places etc > > Much appreciated. > > Cheers > Robyn > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... 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Hi I'm interested in the WILLIAMS family from El Arish. Related surnames (ie in-laws) include: Bradley, Gielis, Miller, Lee and Colahan. The El Arish WILLIAMSes were two of the sons of James WILLIAMS 1854-1932 m 1878 Anna CRISP 1861-1940, and I think they farmed at Maria Creek - Willie Hugh WILLIAMS 1887-1994 died at El Arish, buried Innisfail, miner and farmer m 1923 Dorothy "Dolly" GIELIS 1901-1978 bur Mt Gravatt 3 sons Norman James 1924-1982, cane farmer Wilfred Henry b ca 1932 d 1934 Kenneth John (m Mary MILLER), storeman and farmer James Henry WILLIAMS 1879-1948 died at Proserpine, miner and engine driver m 1911 Violet Myrtle COLAHAN 1894-1924 died at Cairns lived at El Arish from 1920s 2 daus Olive Myrtle b 1911 m Henry BRADLEY Lillian Beatrice 1914-1996 m William Colin LEE 1908-1981 Cheers Peter

Hi Cheryl I've never lived in El Arish but am familiar with it. The El Arish cemetery is right on the Bruce Highway. It is about 15 or16 klms north of Tully and about 40 klms south of Innisfail and the cemetery is near the northern turn off to Mission Beach. I don't know of any private burial sites but there may well be. These would no doubt be on cane farms in the district and would be very old as I believe interments are no longer permitted outside designated cemeteries. Good luck Jocelyn Does anyone know of a Cemetery at El Arish ,Queensland ,heard that there is supposed to be one ,private ones as well. Thanks in Advance .

OOps, Cardwell shire council On 21/11/2012, at 11:00 AM, cheryl hayes wrote: > > Hi , > Does anyone know of a Cemetery at El Arish ,Queensland ,heard that > there is supposed to be one ,private ones as well. > > Thanks in Advance . > > Cheryl > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure. But try the Tully Shire Council for information. Lorraine On 21/11/2012, at 11:00 AM, cheryl hayes wrote: > > Hi , > Does anyone know of a Cemetery at El Arish ,Queensland ,heard that > there is supposed to be one ,private ones as well. > > Thanks in Advance . > > Cheryl > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi , Does anyone know of a Cemetery at El Arish ,Queensland ,heard that there is supposed to be one ,private ones as well. Thanks in Advance . Cheryl

Thanks Marcelle, wow...some make it hard to trace.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 12:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] COLES-WATSON Hi Jenelle, Kerry & Barbara, Between 1906 and 1909 Charles Coles and Nellie/Nelly/Ellen Ruth Watson Drewary/Drury/Druary split up and she kept 2 children with her, being Nellie my grandmother and John Mackay. Rex went with Charles. Why that happened is unknown to me but why she would give up one of her children, especially at such a tender age (3-4 years of age) to a man like Chuck is beyond me. Nevertheless she did and in 1909, and now using the name Millicent Drury, married Robert Henry Bain in Bendigo. I have her Marriage Cert. which states she is a spinster!! She'd had 4 children but she probably was a spinster in that she and Chuck-baby were probably never married. He was the Licensee of the View Bend Hotel. She, Bain and 2 of the children at some point after 10 May 1909, travelled to Western Australia and lived in Dart Street, Kalgoorlie in the goldfields until about 1919. They then lived in Perth. Robert H Bain died in 1940 leaving property etc., and when 'Millicent' died in 1944 she left her considerable assets to her children. In her Will she left each child a portion of her Estate and stated to my son I leave, to my daughter I leave and then poor Rex, her son who'd gone to live with his father, she said, and to Rex Coles I leave. I found it very strange that she didn't say, to my son, Rex........hmmmm. I've also been down the Gypsy path with regard to 'Romany' and I don't know if we're related to G J Coles or anyone for that matter as I don't know who Coles actually was but I know a lot of what he got up to!! Yes, I've also been to the pennygaff page to check out Australian Travelling Entertainers. I just can't find anything except adverts for Madame Lee and court cases for old Chuck. I still find it bizarre that 2 Charles Coles had babies born in Warwick on 1 & 4th October 1900, one in Wallace Street and one in Fitzroy Street! Anyway ladies, thank you again. I'm certain I'll be back asking question about these two nuisances again! Marcelle Western Australia Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenelle, Kerry & Barbara, Between 1906 and 1909 Charles Coles and Nellie/Nelly/Ellen Ruth Watson Drewary/Drury/Druary split up and she kept 2 children with her, being Nellie my grandmother and John Mackay. Rex went with Charles. Why that happened is unknown to me but why she would give up one of her children, especially at such a tender age (3-4 years of age) to a man like Chuck is beyond me. Nevertheless she did and in 1909, and now using the name Millicent Drury, married Robert Henry Bain in Bendigo. I have her Marriage Cert. which states she is a spinster!! She'd had 4 children but she probably was a spinster in that she and Chuck-baby were probably never married. He was the Licensee of the View Bend Hotel. She, Bain and 2 of the children at some point after 10 May 1909, travelled to Western Australia and lived in Dart Street, Kalgoorlie in the goldfields until about 1919. They then lived in Perth. Robert H Bain died in 1940 leaving property etc., and when 'Millicent' died in 1944 she left her considerable assets to her children. In her Will she left each child a portion of her Estate and stated to my son I leave, to my daughter I leave and then poor Rex, her son who'd gone to live with his father, she said, and to Rex Coles I leave. I found it very strange that she didn't say, to my son, Rex........hmmmm. I've also been down the Gypsy path with regard to 'Romany' and I don't know if we're related to G J Coles or anyone for that matter as I don't know who Coles actually was but I know a lot of what he got up to!! Yes, I've also been to the pennygaff page to check out Australian Travelling Entertainers. I just can't find anything except adverts for Madame Lee and court cases for old Chuck. I still find it bizarre that 2 Charles Coles had babies born in Warwick on 1 & 4th October 1900, one in Wallace Street and one in Fitzroy Street! Anyway ladies, thank you again. I'm certain I'll be back asking question about these two nuisances again! Marcelle Western Australia

I'll amend previous email .. one daughter had died previously.

I had a look on TROVE for Death & Funeral notices for Edward William Cole, but there is no personal information regarding his family. So looked for the death notice for his wife which was a bit more informatiive - COLE.-On the 15th March, at private hospital, Melbourne, Eliza Frances, dearly beloved wife of E. W. Cole, and loving mother of Linda, Edward, Val, Pearl, and Ivy (Book Arcade), aged 68 years. Tasmanian papers please copy. The Argus (Melbourne), Thursday 16 March, 1911 All the bios say that there were 2 sons and 4 daughters. Was Val a she or a he? Who was the other one? OBITUARY. DEATH OF MRS. COLE. Melbourne, Wednesday Night. - Elizabeth Frances Cole, wife of Mr E. W. Cole, of Coles Book Arcade, died to-day. She was 68 years of age. She was a daughter of Charles Jordan, a timber merchant of Hobart, where she was born. Zeehan and Dundas Herald, Thursday 16 March, 1911 One of the bios is a little more specific and says that that Elizabeth Frances came from Lauderdale, New Town, Tasmania. Cheers

Or perhaps related to Edward William Cole who founded Coles Book Arcade - no relation to the family who owned the variety stores. Brothers George and Jim opened the first variety store in 1914, but after Jim died during WW1, George entered a partnership with brother Arthur, and eventually other brothers, Edgar, Kenneth and Norman. Given the son's name - Rex Edward Charles Cole (a sense of humour? - Rex Cole/King Cole?) - it might be worth looking at the Book Arcade family. Edward William died in 1918. Would a will be accessible perhaps? Of course, we might all be way off the track. There seemed to be a lot of globe-trotting going on amongst entertainers. Charlie might well have come from anywhere. Cheers Barbara

This Trove search suggests they might have been in WA before 1900. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=%22Madame+Lee%22+Palmist&sortby=d ateAsc Of course it is possible that many palmists called themselves Madam Lee, but the dates at different regions don't seem overlap, so it may be the one and only Madam Lee. One of the articles describes her as the wife of Charles Coles. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article89723474 It looks like Charles was also a palmist: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9825921 Kerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012 6:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] COLES-WATSON Marcelle are you related to the Coles family that own Coles Departmental stores.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 7:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] COLES-WATSON Thank you to Jenelle, Janet and Kerry for taking the time to help me. My reason for asking about Watson - Coles is because my grt. grandfather Charles Coles and my grt grandmother Nellie Watson had a daughter, Nelly Romany Coles, born 4 October 1900 in Fiztroy Street, Warwick. Nelly Romany died 3 months later and in Dec 1901 in Bendigo, Nellie, my grandmother was born with father Charles Coles and mother now Nelly formerly Drewary. In 1904 in Hobart Rex Edward Charles Coles is born to Charles Coles and Nellie formerly Drury and in 1906 in Bendigo John Mackay Coles is born to Charles Coles and Ellen Ruth formerly Druary. These are all the correct people but it's my grt grandmother whose name keeps changing. He was a shyster, conman & Showman and she was Madame Lee, a Palmist. I've e recently started finding all sorts of court convictions of his skulduggery (I'm so proud!!!). You can imagine the life they would have been leading. In the 1940s when my mother was a young married woman she took on the care of her grandmother (Madame Lee), her grandfather Charles having long ago deserted most of his family. My mother knew her grandmother told fortunes but had no idea about all the goings-on. She said her grandmother was a well-spoken lady, very fussy about her appearance and played piano beautifully (doesn't fit the life she'd been leading). Whoever she was, she left all her children a lot of money, each of them individually named and matching all the Birth Certificates. My problem with these two is that I have no records of them pre 1900, not births, marriages (and I'm sure they weren't), parents, siblings etc., ad infinitum. and none of their info on the Birth Certs of their children pans out anywhere at any time. When I saw the Coles Watson birth I kept hoping there was some connection somewhere, all to no avail. I've been down this path so many times I'd like to scream and I have...a lot. My next trick will be to use my grt grandmothers beautiful studio portrait (circa 1890s) for a dart board. Only joking...I think. Thank you again to all who responded. Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-QLD Digest, Vol 7, Issue 233 Today's Topics: 1. WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (mvs) 2. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Jenelle McCarrick) 3. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Janet) 4. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Kerry Raymond) 5. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Kerry Raymond) Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marcelle are you related to the Coles family that own Coles Departmental stores.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 7:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] COLES-WATSON Thank you to Jenelle, Janet and Kerry for taking the time to help me. My reason for asking about Watson - Coles is because my grt. grandfather Charles Coles and my grt grandmother Nellie Watson had a daughter, Nelly Romany Coles, born 4 October 1900 in Fiztroy Street, Warwick. Nelly Romany died 3 months later and in Dec 1901 in Bendigo, Nellie, my grandmother was born with father Charles Coles and mother now Nelly formerly Drewary. In 1904 in Hobart Rex Edward Charles Coles is born to Charles Coles and Nellie formerly Drury and in 1906 in Bendigo John Mackay Coles is born to Charles Coles and Ellen Ruth formerly Druary. These are all the correct people but it's my grt grandmother whose name keeps changing. He was a shyster, conman & Showman and she was Madame Lee, a Palmist. I've e recently started finding all sorts of court convictions of his skulduggery (I'm so proud!!!). You can imagine the life they would have been leading. In the 1940s when my mother was a young married woman she took on the care of her grandmother (Madame Lee), her grandfather Charles having long ago deserted most of his family. My mother knew her grandmother told fortunes but had no idea about all the goings-on. She said her grandmother was a well-spoken lady, very fussy about her appearance and played piano beautifully (doesn't fit the life she'd been leading). Whoever she was, she left all her children a lot of money, each of them individually named and matching all the Birth Certificates. My problem with these two is that I have no records of them pre 1900, not births, marriages (and I'm sure they weren't), parents, siblings etc., ad infinitum. and none of their info on the Birth Certs of their children pans out anywhere at any time. When I saw the Coles Watson birth I kept hoping there was some connection somewhere, all to no avail. I've been down this path so many times I'd like to scream and I have...a lot. My next trick will be to use my grt grandmothers beautiful studio portrait (circa 1890s) for a dart board. Only joking...I think. Thank you again to all who responded. Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-QLD Digest, Vol 7, Issue 233 Today's Topics: 1. WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (mvs) 2. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Jenelle McCarrick) 3. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Janet) 4. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Kerry Raymond) 5. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Kerry Raymond) Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim The Brisbane City Council site has his burial date as 5 April 1991 at Mt Gravatt Cemetery. There is no mention of 30 April 1991. Pam in Brisbane From: James Crighton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Hi Friends, Can You Help please - am searching for references to a cousin's death. His name is William Henry PLANT. His burial is listed on the Brisbane City Council's cemeteries site as buried at Mt Gravatt Cemetery on 30th April 1991, having died on the 5th April 1991. Another cousin thinks he was killed which could explain the long gap between dates but I don't have access to newspapers to cover that period - Trove does not have them either? Can anyone suggest where else to look? State Archives have a 65 year block on their records. Thanks, Jim

A seance might be more productive than darts :-) Nelly Romany was an interesting name. Mkes you wonder if there have been a gypsy in the family. As far as your g-mama's name is concerned, Nelly, Ellen and Helen were fairly interchangeable. But the surname makes me think of Drury Lane. I don't suppose you know where she got her money from. Either she was very, very good at reading palms or she inherited it. From your mother's description, it sounds as though Nellie may have run away from a good family to join the circus (or the conman). I have a great-uncle who was born in Geelong but spent much of his adult life in Bendigo. He too was a conman, deserter of women and children, and a showman - one photo of him suggests that he was a contortionist. His daughter travelled with him for a while as an acrobat and tight rope walker. In the absence of any members of my family who became rich/famous/etc., I'm a bit tickled to have someone in the family who was a little bit 'individual'. His attempt to claim a war service pension (when most of his short time in uniform was spent in hospital in Victoria suffering from questionable aches and pains) was a bit of a hoot. So I am proud of him in a perverse sort of way. I think your g-grandfather and my g-uncle might have had a lot in common. And perhaps even met each other in Bendigo. Have you looked at Australia's circus history at http://www.pennygaff.com.au/index.html Cheers Barbara

Thank you to Jenelle, Janet and Kerry for taking the time to help me. My reason for asking about Watson - Coles is because my grt. grandfather Charles Coles and my grt grandmother Nellie Watson had a daughter, Nelly Romany Coles, born 4 October 1900 in Fiztroy Street, Warwick. Nelly Romany died 3 months later and in Dec 1901 in Bendigo, Nellie, my grandmother was born with father Charles Coles and mother now Nelly formerly Drewary. In 1904 in Hobart Rex Edward Charles Coles is born to Charles Coles and Nellie formerly Drury and in 1906 in Bendigo John Mackay Coles is born to Charles Coles and Ellen Ruth formerly Druary. These are all the correct people but it's my grt grandmother whose name keeps changing. He was a shyster, conman & Showman and she was Madame Lee, a Palmist. I've e recently started finding all sorts of court convictions of his skulduggery (I'm so proud!!!). You can imagine the life they would have been leading. In the 1940s when my mother was a young married woman she took on the care of her grandmother (Madame Lee), her grandfather Charles having long ago deserted most of his family. My mother knew her grandmother told fortunes but had no idea about all the goings-on. She said her grandmother was a well-spoken lady, very fussy about her appearance and played piano beautifully (doesn't fit the life she'd been leading). Whoever she was, she left all her children a lot of money, each of them individually named and matching all the Birth Certificates. My problem with these two is that I have no records of them pre 1900, not births, marriages (and I'm sure they weren't), parents, siblings etc., ad infinitum. and none of their info on the Birth Certs of their children pans out anywhere at any time. When I saw the Coles Watson birth I kept hoping there was some connection somewhere, all to no avail. I've been down this path so many times I'd like to scream and I have...a lot. My next trick will be to use my grt grandmothers beautiful studio portrait (circa 1890s) for a dart board. Only joking...I think. Thank you again to all who responded. Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-QLD Digest, Vol 7, Issue 233 Today's Topics: 1. WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (mvs) 2. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Jenelle McCarrick) 3. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Janet) 4. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Kerry Raymond) 5. Re: WATSON & COLES in Warwick, Qld (Kerry Raymond)

Hi Jenelle, I dont know of any floods or other weather extremes that may have happened then. His sister, I believe, said he was killed at Wacol, Near Ipswich, Queensland, but I cannot find any report in our local paper The Toowoomba Chronicle, for that period....I was wondering if some kind person was going into a Brisbane library and would not mind having a look through the archives of newspapers there........or whether if true was it ever solved?...thanks for your assistance.....Jim On 18 November 2012 15:24, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > A long gap 30th april to 5th april..was there rain..floods, cyclones. > couldn't bury someone..it happens.. > Jenelle. > >

Hi Jenelle, I dont know of any floods or other weather extremes that may have happened then. His sister, I believe, said he was killed at Wacol, Near Ipswich, Queensland, but I cannot find any report in our local paper The Toowoomba Chronicle, for that period....I was wondering if some kind person was going into a Brisbane library and would not mind having a look through the archives of newspapers there........or whether if true was it ever solved?...thanks for your assistance.....Jim On 18 November 2012 15:24, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > A long gap 30th april to 5th april..was there rain..floods, cyclones. > couldn't bury someone..it happens.. > Jenelle. > >

A long gap 30th april to 5th april..was there rain..floods, cyclones. couldn't bury someone..it happens.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Crighton Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 2:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] re W.H.PLANT Hi Friends, Can You Help please - am searching for references to a cousin's death. His name is William Henry PLANT. His burial is listed on the Brisbane City Council's cemeteries site as buried at Mt Gravatt Cemetery on 30th April 1991, having died on the 5th April 1991. Another cousin thinks he was killed which could explain the long gap between dates but I don't have access to newspapers to cover that period - Trove does not have them either? Can anyone suggest where else to look? State Archives have a 65 year block on their records. Thanks, Jim Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James may I suggest you contact the state library of queensland called "ask a librarian" and may get the funeral notice...in regards to being killed, and coroners inquest....you may have tow ait for that...check to courier mail archive, there are rules for inquest 100 years and so on, living detail and stuff...or why don't you just google his name.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Crighton Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 2:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] re W.H.PLANT Hi Friends, Can You Help please - am searching for references to a cousin's death. His name is William Henry PLANT. His burial is listed on the Brisbane City Council's cemeteries site as buried at Mt Gravatt Cemetery on 30th April 1991, having died on the 5th April 1991. Another cousin thinks he was killed which could explain the long gap between dates but I don't have access to newspapers to cover that period - Trove does not have them either? Can anyone suggest where else to look? State Archives have a 65 year block on their records. Thanks, Jim Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message