I would welcome any contact from any member of the GUILFOYLE family in Atherton Greg DAVIS (formally from Cairns)

Good afternoon Debbie: Thinking of what you say; I've now a feeling that wherever it is; it cannot be to far up from Bundaberg area, as the "Chap" that was going to live with the family was mentioned as; " he is going to live with us up at paradise when we leave here but already is going to go up for short periods of time for a break away" I've the feeling now that Paradise could be the name of their property or farm inland from the Bundaberg area? It looks as if I shall never know until I can again make contact with the family, which just isn't happening. Many thanks to all. Regards; Robert I don't know if this "Paradise" town (see links) could be what the family was referring to? You said they said they were going "up" to Paradise from Bundaberg not down so I presume they didn't mean Surfers Paradise or Paradise Point both on the Gold Coast. One could assume then it was the old gold mining town; "Paradise" which is in the same area. I suppose the other thought if this doesn't help is that they were referring to a place further up that could be described as 'paradise' however you are using a capital "P" thus presume it is an actual place. Hope that's of some help - this is my first post; Hi everyone!

Re: Where is Paradise in Queensland? Thank you all for responding to my posting. Kerry: You ask to be more pacific: It was in Sep 2003 whilst they were living in the Bundaberg/1770 area; that in an e-mail to us; the following was mentioned: " he is going to live with us up at paradise when we leave here but already is going to go up for short periods of time for a break away" This would indicate to me that it's up North of the Bundaberg area? Robert -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:46 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? Robert, When was this mention of Paradise? There are a number of places called Paradise, so we need a little more information to narrow it down. For example, in the 1950s, it might be a reference to Surfers Paradise, but it would be 1930s it would not be so because that name had been introduced. So knowing "when" matters. Also, you said they were "moving up". Are these your words? Or, did they actually say/write "moving up" (implying a south-to-north movement or from a low place to a high place, e.g. from the coast to the mountains)? And if so, where were they when they said/wrote it (so we know where they meant "up" relative to?). Also, in what circumstances did they say/write it? Obviously in a formal document, we can expect it to be a formal name. If it's an informal documents, e.g. a Christmas card, then it may be an informal name or nickname. For example, it might just have been a remark that they expected to go to Heaven when they died. My best guess in the meantime is https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=-16.81667,+145.64999&hl=en&ll=-16.816701,1 45.650043&spn=0.103029,0.154324&sll=-19.01019,144.986572&sspn=6.509852,9.876 709&t=m&z=13 Kerry

Sorry about those long URLs. Here are shorter ones: Lake Paradise, Burnett area http://goo.gl/maps/hz094 Paradise near Kuranda http://goo.gl/maps/9CEH2 -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:56 AM To: 'Robert N. G. KEMSLEY'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? Thanks, Robert! That helps. The Paradise that Laraine has suggested is certainly the closest to Bundaberg/1770 https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=25%C2%B0+21%E2%80%B2+12%E2%80%B3+S%09151%C 2%B0+55%E2%80%B2+15%E2%80%B3+E&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-25.344957,151.92358&spn=0.0 97272,0.154324&sll=-25.5127,152.045288&sspn=3.108138,4.938354&t=h&z=13 But, against it as a theory, it is, as she says, now underwater and there doesn't appear to be a lot of people living in the area (there appear to be only a few farms in the area) - take a look at the satellite view. Are these people known to be farmers or be keen on fishing/boating or other activities that people do at dams? https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=25%C2%B0+21%E2%80%B2+12%E2%80%B3+S%09151%C 2%B0+55%E2%80%B2+15%E2%80%B3+E&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-25.344957,151.92358&spn=0.0 97272,0.154324&sll=-25.5127,152.045288&sspn=3.108138,4.938354&t=h&z=13 Also, Lake Paradise is to the south of Bundaberg/1770 so not "up" in "north-south" sense but might be "up" in the sense of the transition from the coast to the dam (which obviously must be "up" above sea level). The place I suggested was chosen because it was definitely north of Bundaberg and because there appeared to be housing there for people to be living in. But the tone of "go up for short periods of time for a break away" makes it sounds like they are talking about somewhere not that far away from their current, making Lake Paradise sounds more likely than that they are travelling to the Paradise area near Kuranda. There are a couple of other Paradise's but they are all much further south relative to Bundaberg and seem unlikely to be places they would be going "up" to. Given that we are talking about information from as recent as 2003, have you checked the White Pages or simply "googled" for the people in the hope of finding them mentioned in an online newspaper or club newsletter etc, which might definitively pin down the location. BTW, this website is always a good place to start when you are looking for Queensland places: http://www.nrm.qld.gov.au/property/placenames/ Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Robert N. G. KEMSLEY [mailto:robtricia@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:28 AM To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? Re: Where is Paradise in Queensland? Thank you all for responding to my posting. Kerry: You ask to be more pacific: It was in Sep 2003 whilst they were living in the Bundaberg/1770 area; that in an e-mail to us; the following was mentioned: " he is going to live with us up at paradise when we leave here but already is going to go up for short periods of time for a break away" This would indicate to me that it's up North of the Bundaberg area? Robert -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:46 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? Robert, When was this mention of Paradise? There are a number of places called Paradise, so we need a little more information to narrow it down. For example, in the 1950s, it might be a reference to Surfers Paradise, but it would be 1930s it would not be so because that name had been introduced. So knowing "when" matters. Also, you said they were "moving up". Are these your words? Or, did they actually say/write "moving up" (implying a south-to-north movement or from a low place to a high place, e.g. from the coast to the mountains)? And if so, where were they when they said/wrote it (so we know where they meant "up" relative to?). Also, in what circumstances did they say/write it? Obviously in a formal document, we can expect it to be a formal name. If it's an informal documents, e.g. a Christmas card, then it may be an informal name or nickname. For example, it might just have been a remark that they expected to go to Heaven when they died. My best guess in the meantime is https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=-16.81667,+145.64999&hl=en&ll=-16.816701,1 45.650043&spn=0.103029,0.154324&sll=-19.01019,144.986572&sspn=6.509852,9.876 709&t=m&z=13 Kerry Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Robert! That helps. The Paradise that Laraine has suggested is certainly the closest to Bundaberg/1770 https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=25%C2%B0+21%E2%80%B2+12%E2%80%B3+S%09151%C 2%B0+55%E2%80%B2+15%E2%80%B3+E&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-25.344957,151.92358&spn=0.0 97272,0.154324&sll=-25.5127,152.045288&sspn=3.108138,4.938354&t=h&z=13 But, against it as a theory, it is, as she says, now underwater and there doesn't appear to be a lot of people living in the area (there appear to be only a few farms in the area) - take a look at the satellite view. Are these people known to be farmers or be keen on fishing/boating or other activities that people do at dams? https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=25%C2%B0+21%E2%80%B2+12%E2%80%B3+S%09151%C 2%B0+55%E2%80%B2+15%E2%80%B3+E&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-25.344957,151.92358&spn=0.0 97272,0.154324&sll=-25.5127,152.045288&sspn=3.108138,4.938354&t=h&z=13 Also, Lake Paradise is to the south of Bundaberg/1770 so not "up" in "north-south" sense but might be "up" in the sense of the transition from the coast to the dam (which obviously must be "up" above sea level). The place I suggested was chosen because it was definitely north of Bundaberg and because there appeared to be housing there for people to be living in. But the tone of "go up for short periods of time for a break away" makes it sounds like they are talking about somewhere not that far away from their current, making Lake Paradise sounds more likely than that they are travelling to the Paradise area near Kuranda. There are a couple of other Paradise's but they are all much further south relative to Bundaberg and seem unlikely to be places they would be going "up" to. Given that we are talking about information from as recent as 2003, have you checked the White Pages or simply "googled" for the people in the hope of finding them mentioned in an online newspaper or club newsletter etc, which might definitively pin down the location. BTW, this website is always a good place to start when you are looking for Queensland places: http://www.nrm.qld.gov.au/property/placenames/ Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Robert N. G. KEMSLEY [mailto:robtricia@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:28 AM To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? Re: Where is Paradise in Queensland? Thank you all for responding to my posting. Kerry: You ask to be more pacific: It was in Sep 2003 whilst they were living in the Bundaberg/1770 area; that in an e-mail to us; the following was mentioned: " he is going to live with us up at paradise when we leave here but already is going to go up for short periods of time for a break away" This would indicate to me that it's up North of the Bundaberg area? Robert -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:46 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? Robert, When was this mention of Paradise? There are a number of places called Paradise, so we need a little more information to narrow it down. For example, in the 1950s, it might be a reference to Surfers Paradise, but it would be 1930s it would not be so because that name had been introduced. So knowing "when" matters. Also, you said they were "moving up". Are these your words? Or, did they actually say/write "moving up" (implying a south-to-north movement or from a low place to a high place, e.g. from the coast to the mountains)? And if so, where were they when they said/wrote it (so we know where they meant "up" relative to?). Also, in what circumstances did they say/write it? Obviously in a formal document, we can expect it to be a formal name. If it's an informal documents, e.g. a Christmas card, then it may be an informal name or nickname. For example, it might just have been a remark that they expected to go to Heaven when they died. My best guess in the meantime is https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=-16.81667,+145.64999&hl=en&ll=-16.816701,1 45.650043&spn=0.103029,0.154324&sll=-19.01019,144.986572&sspn=6.509852,9.876 709&t=m&z=13 Kerry

Hi there There is a Paradise Point which is above Southport on the Gold Coast. This is the only Paradise I have been able to find on Google Maps....oh and Surfers Paradise which is just south of Southport on the Gold Coast, which you would have heard of. These seem to be the only two possibilities. However, they are not up from Bundaberg, but down. Unless they meant it figuratively as all of Queensland is paradise! Wish I did not have to live in South Australia Go Queensland the best state- you can take the Queenslander out of the state but not Queensland out of the Queenslander lo! Warm Regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: aus-qld@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:25:38 +1100 Subject:[AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? I am wondering where Paradise in Queensland is? ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail

Hi Robert, Re: " I am wondering where Paradise in Queensland is?" I don't know if this "Paradise" town (see links) could be what the family was referring to? You said they said they were going "up" to Paradise from Bundaberg not down so I presume they didn't mean Surfers Paradise or Paradise Point both on the Gold Coast. One could assume then it was the old gold mining town; "Paradise" which is in the same area. I suppose the other thought if this doesn't help is that they were referring to a place further up that could be described as 'paradise' however you are using a capital "P" thus presume it is an actual place. Hope that's of some help - this is my first post; Hi everyone! Cheers, Debbie Jenkinson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Queensland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Dam_(Queensland)

I am wondering where Paradise in Queensland is? I had family living in the Bundaberg area and some years back; they indicated they were moving up to Paradise? Robert KEMSLEY

Sometimes suggested help isnt always taken up ! MargM Qld List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <junesimons@btconnect.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher > >>I am looking for any information on Thomas CROUCHER. >> The one I am interested in died in 1932 in Queensland and was >> married to Elizabeth Ann Jones in 1884. >> I believe they had children. > > Hi June, > > Indexes to Qld BDMs are on line and copy of certs can be > downloaded. > > https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths > > Does help you and any one answering if you gave clue as to your > location when posting on any foreign mailing list > > Bye > > MargM > Qld List Admin

>From Wikipedia, Paradise was a ghost town on the Burnett River, in Queensland, Australia. The town was established as a gold mining centre and was abandoned once the gold ran out. The main reef on the goldfield extended for two miles along Finneys Creek. The town site is now inundated by Lake Paradise, formed by the construction of Paradise Dam on the Burnett River. A Town Reserve was proclaimed here on 20 July 1891. A post office opened on 3 April 1890 and closed about June 1905 Laraine

Robert, When was this mention of Paradise? There are a number of places called Paradise, so we need a little more information to narrow it down. For example, in the 1950s, it might be a reference to Surfers Paradise, but it would be 1930s it would not be so because that name had been introduced. So knowing "when" matters. Also, you said they were "moving up". Are these your words? Or, did they actually say/write "moving up" (implying a south-to-north movement or from a low place to a high place, e.g. from the coast to the mountains)? And if so, where were they when they said/wrote it (so we know where they meant "up" relative to?). Also, in what circumstances did they say/write it? Obviously in a formal document, we can expect it to be a formal name. If it's an informal documents, e.g. a Christmas card, then it may be an informal name or nickname. For example, it might just have been a remark that they expected to go to Heaven when they died. My best guess in the meantime is https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=-16.81667,+145.64999&hl=en&ll=-16.816701,1 45.650043&spn=0.103029,0.154324&sll=-19.01019,144.986572&sspn=6.509852,9.876 709&t=m&z=13 Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert N. G. KEMSLEY Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 9:26 AM To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Where is Paradise in Queensland? I am wondering where Paradise in Queensland is? I had family living in the Bundaberg area and some years back; they indicated they were moving up to Paradise? Robert KEMSLEY Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, I see you are looking at Ancestry. What you have found is not a census record but an entry on the electoral roll. Although Ancestry encourages people to regard census records and electoral rolls as being the same thing (which is sort-of true), there is a very important difference between them. Census records are snapshots; they describe people's situation at a particular date. If a person has died, then they are not recorded. But the electoral rolls are longitudinal (rolling) records. Once a person is on the electoral roll, they stay on the electoral roll, until someone takes them off. Thus people remain on the the electoral roll until the information about their death works its way through the system to take them off. My rule of thumb is to allow about a year or so for this to occur, so it is not surprising to find Elizabeth Croucher appearing in 1919; it's just the nature of records and the processes to update them. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Raymond [mailto:kraymond@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 8:43 AM To: 'aus-qld@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher Which 1919 census are you talking about? There was not one in Australia in that year. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of junesimons@btconnect.com Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 1:27 AM To: Janet; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher Hello Janet, Thank you for all your help. I am a bit bemused though as Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER was buried on 28th Dec 1918 and yet she appears on the 1919 census? Any ideas? I also see on Ancestry that someone has taken Thomas's information for Alfred Thomas CROUCHER. On the tree however they have a photo of Jordan 's marriage. How do I go about getting a copy? Or any other photos of that era. Do you know of any family coming forward from Thomas's children? Thank you again June Simons -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:11 AM To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher Hello June, Thomas CROUCHER, married Elizabeth Ann JONES 18th Dec 1884 children - Elizabeth Mary born 5th Dec 1885 Thomas Richard James born 22nd Nov 1888 William Francis born 26th Feb 1891 Thomas David born 7th Jan 1893 Willie born 27 May 1895 Jordan Llewellyn born 27 July 1901 Joan Gwendolyn Hilda born 28 Apr 1905 1903 Qld Electoral Roll: Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address 1913 Qld Electoral Roll: Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address Francis William CROUCHER, stockman, same address Buried Gayndah Cemetery: Elizabeth Ann CROUCHER, buried 28 Dec 1918 aged 54 years Thomas CROUCHER, buried 21 Mar 1932, aged 84 years William Francis CROUCHER, buried 15th April 1954, aged 63 years Willie CROUCHER, buried 20th Oct 1972, aged 77 years Cheers Janet Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think June might be referring to the Electoral Rolls Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Raymond" <kraymond@iprimus.com.au> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:43 AM To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher > Which 1919 census are you talking about? There was not one in Australia in > that year. > > Kerry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of junesimons@btconnect.com > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 1:27 AM > To: Janet; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher > > Hello Janet, > > Thank you for all your help. > I am a bit bemused though as Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER was buried on 28th > Dec > 1918 and yet she appears on the 1919 census? > Any ideas? > I also see on Ancestry that someone has taken Thomas's information for > Alfred Thomas CROUCHER. On the tree however they have a photo of Jordan 's > marriage. How do I go about getting a copy? Or any other photos of that > era. > > Do you know of any family coming forward from Thomas's children? > > Thank you again > June Simons > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:11 AM > To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher > > Hello June, > > Thomas CROUCHER, married Elizabeth Ann JONES 18th Dec 1884 > children - > Elizabeth Mary born 5th Dec 1885 > Thomas Richard James born 22nd Nov 1888 > William Francis born 26th Feb 1891 > Thomas David born 7th Jan 1893 > Willie born 27 May 1895 > Jordan Llewellyn born 27 July 1901 > Joan Gwendolyn Hilda born 28 Apr 1905 > > 1903 Qld Electoral Roll: > Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah > Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address > > 1913 Qld Electoral Roll: > Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah > Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address > Francis William CROUCHER, stockman, same address > > Buried Gayndah Cemetery: > Elizabeth Ann CROUCHER, buried 28 Dec 1918 aged 54 years > Thomas CROUCHER, buried 21 Mar 1932, aged 84 years > William Francis CROUCHER, buried 15th April 1954, aged 63 years > Willie CROUCHER, buried 20th Oct 1972, aged 77 years > > Cheers > Janet > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3722/6752 - Release Date: 03/26/14 >

Which 1919 census are you talking about? There was not one in Australia in that year. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of junesimons@btconnect.com Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 1:27 AM To: Janet; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher Hello Janet, Thank you for all your help. I am a bit bemused though as Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER was buried on 28th Dec 1918 and yet she appears on the 1919 census? Any ideas? I also see on Ancestry that someone has taken Thomas's information for Alfred Thomas CROUCHER. On the tree however they have a photo of Jordan 's marriage. How do I go about getting a copy? Or any other photos of that era. Do you know of any family coming forward from Thomas's children? Thank you again June Simons -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:11 AM To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher Hello June, Thomas CROUCHER, married Elizabeth Ann JONES 18th Dec 1884 children - Elizabeth Mary born 5th Dec 1885 Thomas Richard James born 22nd Nov 1888 William Francis born 26th Feb 1891 Thomas David born 7th Jan 1893 Willie born 27 May 1895 Jordan Llewellyn born 27 July 1901 Joan Gwendolyn Hilda born 28 Apr 1905 1903 Qld Electoral Roll: Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address 1913 Qld Electoral Roll: Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address Francis William CROUCHER, stockman, same address Buried Gayndah Cemetery: Elizabeth Ann CROUCHER, buried 28 Dec 1918 aged 54 years Thomas CROUCHER, buried 21 Mar 1932, aged 84 years William Francis CROUCHER, buried 15th April 1954, aged 63 years Willie CROUCHER, buried 20th Oct 1972, aged 77 years Cheers Janet Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Kerry all this info is a great help.... Jan. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2014 5:11 PM To: 'Gail Barbitta'; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum The catalogue records what they hold, regardless of whether they have it available online. If you look at any particular item's entry in their catalogue, you will see a field called "has digital images". If that is ticked, then it's available online. If not, it's not. When you search their catalogue, if you use the "Image Queensland" search rather than the "Archives Search", it will restrict the returned results to those that are available online, which saves you wading through items that you can't access. But be aware that most records are not digitised. They are working slowly on digitisation based on what records are most popular, e.g. immigration records. So it is probably worth knowing what is available at the archives, even if you can't immediately access it. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Gail Barbitta [mailto:gbarbitta3@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2014 10:00 AM To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum Both of my gt gt grandparents were patients in Dunwich in the early 1900's. When I've gone to this website, I only find titles of records and that's all. Are the records actually searchable online? I'm interested in anything about these two people, one of whom died there and is buried in an unmarked grave. Gail -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:31 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum This link should take you to the list of holdings for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum (the "agency" in the language of the Queensland State Archives): http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AgencyDetails.aspx?AgencyId=861 This is a list of "series" (again using QSA-speak). One of them is Personnel Files http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/SeriesDetails.aspx?SeriesId=4485 >From there you can click on the List of Items: http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemSearchResults.aspx?SeriesId= 4485&SeriesTitle=Personnel%20File which reveals only one entry for Charles Stanley Keen. So if this happens to be one of your family, you are in luck! Otherwise, no joy. Kerry Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7249 - Release Date: 03/25/14

The catalogue records what they hold, regardless of whether they have it available online. If you look at any particular item's entry in their catalogue, you will see a field called "has digital images". If that is ticked, then it's available online. If not, it's not. When you search their catalogue, if you use the "Image Queensland" search rather than the "Archives Search", it will restrict the returned results to those that are available online, which saves you wading through items that you can't access. But be aware that most records are not digitised. They are working slowly on digitisation based on what records are most popular, e.g. immigration records. So it is probably worth knowing what is available at the archives, even if you can't immediately access it. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: Gail Barbitta [mailto:gbarbitta3@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2014 10:00 AM To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum Both of my gt gt grandparents were patients in Dunwich in the early 1900's. When I've gone to this website, I only find titles of records and that's all. Are the records actually searchable online? I'm interested in anything about these two people, one of whom died there and is buried in an unmarked grave. Gail -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:31 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum This link should take you to the list of holdings for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum (the "agency" in the language of the Queensland State Archives): http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AgencyDetails.aspx?AgencyId=861 This is a list of "series" (again using QSA-speak). One of them is Personnel Files http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/SeriesDetails.aspx?SeriesId=4485 >From there you can click on the List of Items: http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemSearchResults.aspx?SeriesId= 4485&SeriesTitle=Personnel%20File which reveals only one entry for Charles Stanley Keen. So if this happens to be one of your family, you are in luck! Otherwise, no joy. Kerry

Hello Janet, Thank you for all your help. I am a bit bemused though as Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER was buried on 28th Dec 1918 and yet she appears on the 1919 census? Any ideas? I also see on Ancestry that someone has taken Thomas's information for Alfred Thomas CROUCHER. On the tree however they have a photo of Jordan 's marriage. How do I go about getting a copy? Or any other photos of that era. Do you know of any family coming forward from Thomas's children? Thank you again June Simons -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:11 AM To: AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Thomas Croucher Hello June, Thomas CROUCHER, married Elizabeth Ann JONES 18th Dec 1884 children - Elizabeth Mary born 5th Dec 1885 Thomas Richard James born 22nd Nov 1888 William Francis born 26th Feb 1891 Thomas David born 7th Jan 1893 Willie born 27 May 1895 Jordan Llewellyn born 27 July 1901 Joan Gwendolyn Hilda born 28 Apr 1905 1903 Qld Electoral Roll: Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address 1913 Qld Electoral Roll: Thomas CROUCHER, carpenter, living Riverton Grove, Gayndah Elizabeth Anne CROUCHER, home duties, same address Francis William CROUCHER, stockman, same address Buried Gayndah Cemetery: Elizabeth Ann CROUCHER, buried 28 Dec 1918 aged 54 years Thomas CROUCHER, buried 21 Mar 1932, aged 84 years William Francis CROUCHER, buried 15th April 1954, aged 63 years Willie CROUCHER, buried 20th Oct 1972, aged 77 years Cheers Janet Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Kerry I think I will make a trip to the Archives Cheers Jan -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2014 7:01 AM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum This link should take you to the list of holdings for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum (the "agency" in the language of the Queensland State Archives): http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AgencyDetails.aspx?AgencyId=861 This is a list of "series" (again using QSA-speak). One of them is Personnel Files http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/SeriesDetails.aspx?SeriesId=4485 >From there you can click on the List of Items: http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemSearchResults.aspx?SeriesId= 4485&SeriesTitle=Personnel%20File which reveals only one entry for Charles Stanley Keen. So if this happens to be one of your family, you are in luck! Otherwise, no joy. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doug & Jan Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 4:21 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum Does anyone know if there are any Staff records for the Asylum I am trying to find out when my Grandfather and 2 Uncles started working there.... I have my Grandfather on the 1922 Electoral Roll living in Norman Park then by 1934 he was Dunwich The Islands... I think my Two Uncles would have started in the late 30's going by their ages... TIA Jan Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7248 - Release Date: 03/25/14

This link should take you to the list of holdings for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum (the "agency" in the language of the Queensland State Archives): http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AgencyDetails.aspx?AgencyId=861 This is a list of "series" (again using QSA-speak). One of them is Personnel Files http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/SeriesDetails.aspx?SeriesId=4485 >From there you can click on the List of Items: http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemSearchResults.aspx?SeriesId= 4485&SeriesTitle=Personnel%20File which reveals only one entry for Charles Stanley Keen. So if this happens to be one of your family, you are in luck! Otherwise, no joy. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doug & Jan Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 4:21 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum Does anyone know if there are any Staff records for the Asylum I am trying to find out when my Grandfather and 2 Uncles started working there.... I have my Grandfather on the 1922 Electoral Roll living in Norman Park then by 1934 he was Dunwich The Islands... I think my Two Uncles would have started in the late 30's going by their ages... TIA Jan Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Both of my gt gt grandparents were patients in Dunwich in the early 1900's. When I've gone to this website, I only find titles of records and that's all. Are the records actually searchable online? I'm interested in anything about these two people, one of whom died there and is buried in an unmarked grave. Gail -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:31 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Staff Records for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum This link should take you to the list of holdings for Dunwich Benevolent Asylum (the "agency" in the language of the Queensland State Archives): http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AgencyDetails.aspx?AgencyId=861 This is a list of "series" (again using QSA-speak). One of them is Personnel Files http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/SeriesDetails.aspx?SeriesId=4485 >From there you can click on the List of Items: http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemSearchResults.aspx?SeriesId= 4485&SeriesTitle=Personnel%20File which reveals only one entry for Charles Stanley Keen. So if this happens to be one of your family, you are in luck! Otherwise, no joy. Kerry