Last night I marked my tree as private. At least this way people have to contact me for more information, and acknowledge in some small way the work I have done. I have taken the same course of action Apparently it can take a month to 'kick in' Ray On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Mark Feodoroff <mark@feodoroff.com> wrote: > I had my Ancestry tree publicly viewable to try and connect with others, > and > have them avoid some of the 'pain' I went through. I've seen many trees > where I doubt very much the 'researcher' did this work, as the work I did > was tedious and involved a lot of input from others and visits from various > sources around the globe (I'm not saying they couldn't do it though), but > when there was no source citations and their research didn't include my > unpublished updates (from sources not available on the Internet) then I > stopped updating the published tree in its entirety. > > Last night I marked my tree as private. At least this way people have to > contact me for more information, and acknowledge in some small way the work > I have done. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of D. Carmichael > > > Sadly we live in an era of cut and paste 'genealogy', where errors multiply > exponentially attaining the status of 'facts'. > > Ancestry's advertising spin has a lot to answer for on this front. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenelle McCarrick > > Very true Janet, or they don't reply or correct anything. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Janet > > >From my experience as a volunteer at the local FHA, I now find that > >people > are not the slightest bit interested in research, only in having access to > Ancestry where they can copy other people's Trees, regardless of whether > they be correct or not. They only want to collect names and dates, and > depart an hour later saying they have done their Family Tree. > > Such a shame when research can be so rewarding. > Happy hunting > Janet > > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ray .. I have mine on private too .. just be careful .. I have found out the hard way and people have taken my 'family' photos and put them on their trees . .and documents I have paid for too .. No point in me taking them off there now .. as they are freely available for everyone .. :( But I learnt my lesson. Maree

I had my Ancestry tree publicly viewable to try and connect with others, and have them avoid some of the 'pain' I went through. I've seen many trees where I doubt very much the 'researcher' did this work, as the work I did was tedious and involved a lot of input from others and visits from various sources around the globe (I'm not saying they couldn't do it though), but when there was no source citations and their research didn't include my unpublished updates (from sources not available on the Internet) then I stopped updating the published tree in its entirety. Last night I marked my tree as private. At least this way people have to contact me for more information, and acknowledge in some small way the work I have done. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D. Carmichael Sadly we live in an era of cut and paste 'genealogy', where errors multiply exponentially attaining the status of 'facts'. Ancestry's advertising spin has a lot to answer for on this front. -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Very true Janet, or they don't reply or correct anything. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet >From my experience as a volunteer at the local FHA, I now find that >people are not the slightest bit interested in research, only in having access to Ancestry where they can copy other people's Trees, regardless of whether they be correct or not. They only want to collect names and dates, and depart an hour later saying they have done their Family Tree. Such a shame when research can be so rewarding. Happy hunting Janet --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Sadly we live in an era of cut and paste 'genealogy', where errors multiply exponentially attaining the status of 'facts'. Ancestry's advertising spin has a lot to answer for on this front. -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 4:24 PM To: 'Janet' ; aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ancestrys public trees Very true Janet, or they don't reply or correct anything. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Sunday, 13 April 2014 3:44 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Ancestrys public trees >From my experience as a volunteer at the local FHA, I now find that >people are not the slightest bit interested in research, only in having access to Ancestry where they can copy other people's Trees, regardless of whether they be correct or not. They only want to collect names and dates, and depart an hour later saying they have done their Family Tree. Such a shame when research can be so rewarding. Happy hunting Janet Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers I had chance today to read parts of a Handy Note book on English research for newbie's that was published by my local FHS in 2007. What an eye opener it was on how 'things' use to be. The change in the way records can be accessed and the format of those is phenomenal You just dont notice it when changes happen gradually ........... Was a paragraph on using the GRD books, another on the wonderful web site of www.1837.com , divorce record access, 1901 census can now be search , lots of refs to various sets of microfiche and census CDs for the UK . How to get the best results from the IGI ............ etc etc. Anything digitised was still a glint in its mother eye ! Same for Ancestrys public trees !! Will need to be completely re written. I wonder what do the next 7 years hold ? Bye MargM List Admin

Hi Marg. I have immigration records for the ship arriving in Brisbane, and there were quite a few Russians on board. It gives me a glimmer of something to make a story of, but probably never finding his place of birth as that has currently drawn a blank and the information hasn't really changed that much. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2014 12:10 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:41 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew > Hi All, > > > > My grandfather claimed to have arrived on the Nikko Maru that > docked in > Townsville on 20 May 1914. > > > Hi Mark What a great record your grandfather left in his 17 page naturalisation file ! The Government were more interested in migrants that cost them money as in assisted passages than folk who paid their own fares. As far as I can judge he was just a paying passenger on this ship and no passenger list survives. Bye MargM Qld List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Kerry, It turns out my son got a copy of the scan of these pages from our visit on Saturday :-) Reading the document, it really does look like FEEFLOFF. I'm guessing the crew handed the immigration people some documentation with the crew's names, and a transcription error occurred at that point. Alex's age is close (ish) to what I know his age to be. That leaves me with a theory that my grandfather disembarked in Brisbane, which then questions why his Naturalisation file states he got off in Townsville. I'm hoping to access Sydney records for Nikko Maru crew (payment via some transcription work on my part), to see if there were 4 Russian crew on board as the NAA records show. It's not entirely conclusive, but would add weight to him disembarking as a passenger in Brisbane...or he got off in Townville as a passenger, assuming the identity of someone who kept heading south on the ship although this is not supported by immigration records in Townsville. It's inconclusive, but a lead nonetheless that should keep me entertained for a while. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- Found on the State Archives page http://archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/DUNCOM BE-GAFFNEY.pdf and I think he may have been transcribed as FEEFLOFF Alexi who arrived on the Nikko Maru on the 22 May 1914 Regards Kerry (Young) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I also agree with sentiment. Ancestry has an Ackers ancestor that looks right, but totally wrong with his personal diary Account. Cross checking with my cousins, who have the book pioneers of the Colac district, confirmed the ancestry error. Love the help you all give me while suggesting sites to others. Rosie in Brisbane -QLD roll call: steele peacock, sait, ferguson Borserini I have left comments on Ancestry against the names involved where someone > has copied info from other relatives who have access to my private > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

Hi Janet I have been following this thread over the past few days and could not agree more with the sentiments expressed. I have followed up matches from my tree only to find that someone who had 60,000 names in her tree could not tell me how we were related. She had info taken from census which has incorrect names, that is how I knew it was from a census. I don't bother with these name gatherers any more though I have had wonderful responses from genuine researchers who are related to my families and have met some of them when they came to Australia to visit. I have left comments on Ancestry against the names involved where someone has copied info from other relatives who have access to my private trees. In these instances they have used the death or marriage dates that do not belong in their trees. I did find it amazing how many people were doing research on migration of people within Australia, or that was their excuse for having some of my names in their trees. Unfortunately these kind of people are not going to read all the comments in this thread as they are not interested in genuine research. I have become very wary of who I allow access to and check them thoroughly. I have refused to give info to those who do not appear to be genuine. I shall continue to check thoroughly by buying certificates etc before I put someone in my tree. Happy Hunting Pam in Brisbane From: Janet Miller <janetmiller@slingshot.co.nz> Subject: [AUS-QLD] Ancestry, Public Trees and such To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Indeed it is a shame that the would be genealogical researchers of today are only gatherers and as pointed out not interested in the actual quality of their research. I have numerous examples of my family that are utterly wrong and could not have had any research done toward verification. I have supplied sources and corrections at times but nothing ever happens to correct the mistakes. I refuse to give any further information to these folk to enhance their lists or add to their already corrupt lines. It is a shame and having spent a Kings Ransom on getting my 55 years of research squeaky clean one can say it is a little frustrating ,and says more about the person doing the research than the actual tree can ever do. Once the mistakes are found their creditability is gone for all time and best place for the research is the bin. What satisfaction is there in something you can not be proud of ? Cheers Janet New Zealand

Thanks for the links. After 'leaving' QLD Rail, Alex headed west with his family with plans to get a 'selection'. It's unclear at this point in time if he got one or not, or how good a dairyman he was! They moved to Brisbane in the by the 30s, so I suspect dairying wasn't his thing. Cheers, Mark ----- Original Message ----- And a quick change to a dairy farmer ? Did he own that land ? His hand writing in English was very good . I wonder where he learnt ? Using http://tinyurl.com/knkq9h9 find the others who came on this ships same voyage and try some side ways research .... He might have come here with friends from the same area ?? Might even be descendant or 2 looking for info similar to you....... Be worth a try ! Unsure about whether lack of documentation (eg passport) would be a concern in Qld in 1914 ?? Did Russia issue such docs then ?? Google has quite a lot of info like : http://tinyurl.com/l2fpysx . Need a wet weekend to study that lot ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> To: "'Janet'" <jmartin17@gmail.com>; <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists -Another suggestion Hi Mark > I hadn't considered looking up Trove before. > That can be the bees knees as a source of info on all sorts of things ! > I believe his naturalisation file is reasonably accurate (a few > minor errors > that don't match but he did fill it in 6 years or so after > arrival), and his > QRail employment history seems to align (roughly) to his > movements noted > within the file. The lack of documentation (eg passport) is a > concern, > adding fuel to the family rumour that he may have changed name > during his > voyage. He was a fitter and worked with steel, so having a job > as crew on a > ship is quite plausible. And a quick change to a dairy farmer ? Did he own that land ? His hand writing in English was very good . I wonder where he learnt ? Using http://tinyurl.com/knkq9h9 find the others who came on this ships same voyage and try some side ways research .... He might have come here with friends from the same area ?? Might even be descendant or 2 looking for info similar to you....... Be worth a try ! Unsure about whether lack of documentation (eg passport) would be a concern in Qld in 1914 ?? Did Russia issue such docs then ?? Google has quite a lot of info like : http://tinyurl.com/l2fpysx . Need a wet weekend to study that lot ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin

www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration There are many Immigration records on-line at the Qld State Archives as above. Cheers Janet

Good luck with it Mark. I'm 6th generation Australian born and I have a few "swimmers" from the early days, that I may never find. At least you have a ship. <grin> As for my early convicts, I have 10 known ones who arrived between 1791 and 1831 and at least I know their names (unless they were aliases') and what ship they came on. I mostly do know their actual crimes, but also, most of them I cannot find their true origins or births. I have a lot of "born circa". Too many common names. Too many "convicted at" and no native place. The surviving records are extremely brief at that time and there are few newspaper reports in the UK and Ireland. A few extra convicts came later, but their records have "native place" and have a few more details. At least "Federoff" is something unusual to start with - but you are quite right, it was turbulent times in Russia and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he changed his name. Trove has overseas news reports of people with the surname Federoff or variations thereof (Federov etc.), but I doubt any are your man. Oh, and I have just found a Wikipedia entry for FYODEROV. (A famous Russian who invented an automatic rifle usually referred to as the FEDEROV.) Cheers, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mark Feodoroff Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2014 12:50 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew Thanks Wynnette. I'll have a closer look at Trove. The NAA have digitised his naturalisation file and it's been available online for quite some years now :-) Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- Hi Mark, I don't know about Townsville, but in the Brisbane Courier on 23 May, 1914, it reports "Eighty-one Russian immigrants arrived in Brisbane last evening by the Steamer "Nikko Maru". http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19938326 Have you looked at Aus National Archives for a Naturalisation? Cheers, Wynnette. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14

Thanks Wynnette. I'll have a closer look at Trove. The NAA have digitised his naturalisation file and it's been available online for quite some years now :-) Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- Hi Mark, I don't know about Townsville, but in the Brisbane Courier on 23 May, 1914, it reports "Eighty-one Russian immigrants arrived in Brisbane last evening by the Steamer "Nikko Maru". http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19938326 Have you looked at Aus National Archives for a Naturalisation? Cheers, Wynnette. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Kerry thanks for pointing to this register as I just found 2 people of interest to me.Would these have been paying immigrants? Are there other years searchable on the internet other than these of 1885-1917 apart from the assisted files? Colin > Found on the State Archives page > http://archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/DUNCOMBE-GAFFNEY.pdf > and I think he may have been transcribed as FEEFLOFF Alexi who arrived on the Nikko Maru on the 22 May 1914 > Regards > Kerry (Young) > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marg. It is quite a nice file (and many thanks to the NAA for digitising a couple of years after I photocopied every page), and then there's his Alien Registration as well! Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2014 12:10 PM To: aus-qld@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew Hi Mark What a great record your grandfather left in his 17 page naturalisation file ! The Government were more interested in migrants that cost them money as in assisted passages than folk who paid their own fares. As far as I can judge he was just a paying passenger on this ship and no passenger list survives. Bye MargM Qld List Admin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks Kerry. With scrawly hand writing and no insight into the name of what you were reading, I could see a transcriber coming up with that as an answer. The only strange bit now, is did he actually go to Townsville at all like he claimed in his Naturalisation file? The date and Christian name are too strong a coincidence to ignore....and there's no matches in google for FEEFLOFF. I was at the archives on Saturday, so I'll have to check my USB key and see if that's one of the images we saved. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- Found on the State Archives page http://archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/DUNCOM BE-GAFFNEY.pdf and I think he may have been transcribed as FEEFLOFF Alexi who arrived on the Nikko Maru on the 22 May 1914 Regards Kerry (Young) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Found on the State Archives page http://archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/DUNCOMBE-GAFFNEY.pdf and I think he may have been transcribed as FEEFLOFF Alexi who arrived on the Nikko Maru on the 22 May 1914 Regards Kerry (Young)

Thanks Janet. I hadn't considered looking up Trove before. I believe his naturalisation file is reasonably accurate (a few minor errors that don't match but he did fill it in 6 years or so after arrival), and his QRail employment history seems to align (roughly) to his movements noted within the file. The lack of documentation (eg passport) is a concern, adding fuel to the family rumour that he may have changed name during his voyage. He was a fitter and worked with steel, so having a job as crew on a ship is quite plausible. I've had no luck tracing his birth in the Ukraine, and he was apparently quite reluctant to talk about his life before Australia to any of his family even! Quite a man of mystery :-) Thanks again, Mark -----Original Message----- Hello Mark, I have just read his Application for Naturalization and he states there that he arrived on the Nikko Maru, so perhaps you will have to accept those papers as fact, because there does not appear to be a passenger list for that voyage. The passengers were "full payers", and as the Govt only seems to have kept records for those who arrived as "Assisted Passengers", I doubt that you will ever find those records. Hope the above is of some help Janet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Feodoroff" <mark@feodoroff.com> To: <AUS-QLD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:41 AM Subject: [AUS-QLD] Shipping Lists - Crew > Hi All, > > > > My grandfather claimed to have arrived on the Nikko Maru that > docked in > Townsville on 20 May 1914. > > > Hi Mark What a great record your grandfather left in his 17 page naturalisation file ! The Government were more interested in migrants that cost them money as in assisted passages than folk who paid their own fares. As far as I can judge he was just a paying passenger on this ship and no passenger list survives. Bye MargM Qld List Admin