Marcelle, I always put my search name into the "The Phrase" line. I find it seems to bring up more results. I also try the surname with initials only added or if the name is Thomas etc, use abbreviations such as Ths. In your case, with such an unusual surname, I just used it by itself. You will have to try many spellings, not just from name spelling changes, but in case of typographical errors. I would recommend that you explore the family arriving in QLD, and then see if it is the same one that turns up in SA. I'd also try trove in the SA newspapers in case they stayed there and Hans moved on when he got older. Hmm, I just had a quick look, can't see much but the family name persists up until the 1950's. Cheers, Wynnette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mvs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford > Thanks you so much Wynnette. > > I was on Trove last night and came up with practically nothing! > Must be my 'key technique' LOL > > You've sent me so much to go on with so I'm off to look where the URL > takes > me. > > Thanks gain, Marcelle > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4760 - Release Date: 01/22/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4762 - Release Date: 01/23/12

Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of some use. Estelle > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:48:26 +1100 > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Hi Marg, > > I note that James Stewart & Co was a department store. I could be wrong but > I would think that the "eldest son" might not have travelled rough, as my > "two brothers" did throughout north Queensland. > > As Bev as pointed out, stage coaches did the trip, but there was also a lot > of coastal shipping and if passengers were prepared to work on board, or > sleep rough, fares could be come by very cheaply. > > One of my "brothers", at least by 1907, had a carrying business of sorts > (one dray) at Townsville and I know that he took passengers. I imagine this > may have been a fairly common method of transport for a lone male. > > I've picked up a couple of drovers listed as NSW train passengers on TROVE > around that period (presumably returning after having delivered the stock to > their destination). I think it was rather cute that train passengers' names > were published. Not sure if this also occurred in Queensland, but worth a > shot. > > Regards > Barbara > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marg, I note that James Stewart & Co was a department store. I could be wrong but I would think that the "eldest son" might not have travelled rough, as my "two brothers" did throughout north Queensland. As Bev as pointed out, stage coaches did the trip, but there was also a lot of coastal shipping and if passengers were prepared to work on board, or sleep rough, fares could be come by very cheaply. One of my "brothers", at least by 1907, had a carrying business of sorts (one dray) at Townsville and I know that he took passengers. I imagine this may have been a fairly common method of transport for a lone male. I've picked up a couple of drovers listed as NSW train passengers on TROVE around that period (presumably returning after having delivered the stock to their destination). I think it was rather cute that train passengers' names were published. Not sure if this also occurred in Queensland, but worth a shot. Regards Barbara

Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from Toowoomba to Rockhampton in 1892 ?? Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 ( unless I didn't press the right buttons ? ) I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton trip by sea in 1895 But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton , 31 Dec 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the greatest of highways back in 1966 Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other end had to give way. Many thanks Bye MargM Qld List Admin

Hello Marg Stage coach may have been the best way. That is why we have the Cobb & Co Museum in Toowoomba. I have actually been along stage coach routes when I lived in Gladstone, especially the one to Bileola. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "MargM" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:15 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from > Toowoomba to Rockhampton in 1892 ?? > > Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 > ( unless I didn't press the right buttons ? ) > > I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton > trip by sea in 1895 > > But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton > , 31 Dec 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? > Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the > greatest of highways back in 1966 > Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other > end had to give way. > > Many thanks > > > Bye > > MargM > Qld List Admin > > > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4762 - Release Date: 01/23/12 >

Marg, Highly likely one would still have travelled by horse and dray or buggie. Not sure about the railway but I dont think it went either that far west or that far north in the 1890's. There were certainly no paved highways!! LOL! The trip by sea would have been the quickest way... probably only a few days as apposed to a week or so at least by horse and dray. Hope this helps :)) Sue

Thanks you so much Wynnette. I was on Trove last night and came up with practically nothing! Must be my 'key technique' LOL You've sent me so much to go on with so I'm off to look where the URL takes me. Thanks gain, Marcelle

Emigrants from Hamburg to Australasia 1872 - Shakespeare No: 130 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Peter Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Arbeiter Age: 44 Sex: m Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28772 No: 131 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Karen Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Frau Age: 35 Sex: f Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28773 No: 133 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Hans Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Sohn Age: 9 Sex: m Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28775 No: 132 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Julius Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Sohn Age: 121/2 Sex: m Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28774 No: 134 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Peder Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Sohn Age: 8 Sex: m Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28776 No: 135 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Sara Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Tochter Age: 6 Sex: f Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28777 No: 136 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Helga Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Tochter Age: 2 Sex: f Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28778 No: 137 Surname: GRONVALD Given Names: Rasmus Town: Drammen State: Norwegen Standing: Sohn Age: 1/2 Sex: m Destination: Rockhampton & Brisbane Ship: Shakespeare Year: 1872 ID: 28779

Hi Marcelle, A google search suggests Gronvold is a Norwegian/Danish name also spelt as Gronvoll. I don't know how far you have looked, but I would suggest though, searching for other alternative spellings. If taken phonetically, it is very close to the Austrian/German name Gronwoldt, Grunwaldt, Grunwald, etc. Also, in case you also haven't looked, a quick search of Trove has bought up many passengers of that name from 1864 onwards coming into various parts of Australia. How old was your Hans? A Mr Gronvold and 5 children arrived in SA in 1874 aboard the "Southern Belle" from Newcastle. SA was often a drop off point for immigrants (interstate or overseas). I personally have one that came on the Shackomaxon in 1852 who some months later then took a local boat to Tasmania, where they already had relatives. Ah, you can probably scratch most of my suggestions as above. A further search of Trove brings up MISSING FRIENDS. "The West Australian" 6 April 1908. Bottom right hand corner of the page. "The undermentioned persons are requested to call at the Royal Norwegian Consulate, Perth. HANS SMIDT, GRONVOLD (GRON-VOLD); PEDER KRISTIAN LARSEN. Richard S Haynes, Consul." This URL might be a bit long, but here goes: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/25719852?searchTerm="gronvold"&searchLimits=exactPhrase=gronvold|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||dummy=on|||l-title=%7C175|||l-title=%7C173|||l-title=%7C221|||l-title=%7C220|||l-title=%7C181|||l-title=%7C73|||l-title=%7C254|||l-title=%7C93|||l-title=%7C180|||l-title=%7C26|||l-title=%7C28|||l-title=%7C6|||l-title=%7C30|||l-title=%7C27|||l-title=%7C29|||l-title=%7C98|||l-title=%7C99|||l-title=%7C100|||l-title=%7C101|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby=dateAsc I would feel that he was most likely fairly new to the colony with that advertisement inserted. Families back home often wrote to the local Consuls if their family members did not contact them as quickly as they expected after arriving in the country. Or, sometimes, there was an irregularity in their papers, or simply that a family member had lost touch and wanted to know where they were. If there is still a Norwegian Consul existing, they just might have records that go back that far. Regards, Wynnette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mvs" <[email protected]> To: "QUEENSLAND ROOTSWEB" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt > Hi List, > > Can anyone tell me anything about the above person. <snip> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4757 - Release Date: 01/21/12

Thanks Kerry I am going over to Camp Street to visit a friend this week and wanted to know where the LANDFORD's lived.. Cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Young" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] ELECTORAL ROLLs after 1949 > Hi Jan > > Eric & Erin Margaret Catherine LANDFORD are at 83 Camp St Toowong in 1959 > Electoral Roll. > > Regards > > Kerry Young > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4757 - Release Date: 01/21/12 >

Hi Jan Eric & Erin Margaret Catherine LANDFORD are at 83 Camp St Toowong in 1959 Electoral Roll. Regards Kerry Young

Hi List, Can anyone tell me anything about the above person. The only thing I can find is an Immigration record for Hans Gronvold arriving in Keppel Bay in 1872 aged 10 aboard the Shakespeare with a very large family on the Index to Registers of Immigrant Ships' Arrivals 1848-1912. We have a Hans S Gronvold in our family who died in 1937 in Western Australia. The surname has been changed over time to Grenvold but I can find nothing under that spelling except after 1915 when he married Grace L Stevens in WA. Hope someone out there is related or has info. Cheers & thanks Marcelle Western Australia

Could anyone with access to ELECTORAL ROLLS after 1949 Please look up LANDFORD in Camp Street Toowong Looking to find a house number in Camp Street... if it is recorded.... TIA Jan.

Marcelle On the www.familysearch.org website there is a baptism on 10th November 1861 at Stromso, Buskerud, Norway, for a Hans Smith GRONVOLD, son to Peder S. GRONVOLD and his wife Karen [born PEDERSDATTER.] It would appear, searching that batch for other children born around that time to a Peder and Karen GRONVOLD that they also had a large number of other children born in Stromso between 1860 and 1872 including names such as Helga, Rasmus, Sara, Peder and Julius as well as Hans Smith....Are these familiar to you from your Ships’ Arrivals List? I would imagine, from the various baptism entries for children with the same names that this couple also lost some children in infancy. The last entry I can find for this couple is a baptism for their son Rasmus Grønvold at Stromso on 1st April 1872...so if the family arrived in Australia some months later in 1872 I would think there is a strong possibility you now have your man! Oh, by the way, I should think this is the marriage for Peder to Karen: Peder Sirka GRONVOLD, age 30, married Karen PEDERSDR (PEDERSDATTER), age 24, on 25th April 1859 at Stromso, Buskerud, Norway. Groom's father Hans GRONVOLD, Bride's father Peder JOHANNESEN. If I'm right you have a large GRONVOLD family to research in Stromso! Good luck! Diane Researching ABSOLON ex Norfolk/Suffolk England to Queensland Australia Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:31:24 +0800 From: "mvs" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt To: "QUEENSLAND ROOTSWEB" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi List, Can anyone tell me anything about the above person. The only thing I can find is an Immigration record for Hans Gronvold arriving in Keppel Bay in 1872 aged 10 aboard the Shakespeare with a very large family on the Index to Registers of Immigrant Ships' Arrivals 1848-1912. We have a Hans S Gronvold in our family who died in 1937 in Western Australia. The surname has been changed over time to Grenvold but I can find nothing under that spelling except after 1915 when he married Grace L Stevens in WA. Hope someone out there is related or has info. Cheers & thanks Marcelle Western Australia

Hi Greg, Information on an individual's place of burial can come from undertakers' records, death certificates, etc., but the actual burial site would likely only come from the cemetery records. In the case of Geelong Cemetery, for example, where a bushfire was responsible for completely wiping out all cemetery records, the names of those buried in the cemetery were pieced together from 'outside' records, but the grave sites remain unknown. One must be content with only knowing which religious section the deceased was interred in. I think it would be a mistake to think that all headstones would have been relocated in any cemetery renewal. I know of a couple of cemeteries where only the headstones of "well-known" identities were preserved - the rest were stacked in heaps and covered with soil, or buried. Broken headstones and those which are difficult to read are likely to be discarded in all renewals. Most old cemeteries contain graves which have ornate metal fencing, etc., but if the stone was placed in a horizontal position, weathering has totally obliterated the names of those buried there. Another possibility you might consider is that Sarah had a wooden cross/grave marker, rather than a stone, so perhaps there was nothing left to relocate anyway. My suggestion would be to contact Leisha Muir, if you have not already done so, and ask from where she obtained the information on Sarah Stubbs burial. Regards Barbara

Thanks for all the advice. Below is a mash of the information from Ipswich Council and a note from the Ipswich family history group. They advise that records do not exist for Ipswich Cemetery prior to 1868. The reason for this is there was a flood in Ipswich in 1868 and all the previous records were lost. However Sarah (Sally) Owens/Stubbs was buried in the pioneer section of the Ipswich General Cemetery. There is a book "Gone, But Not Forgotten: Ipswich Cemetery 1842 - 1868" by Leisha Muir which states that Sarah Stubbs died 4 September 1861 and was buried in the Ipswich Cemetery. When the cemetery was under the control of someone other than the Ipswich City Council, this section of the cemetery was cleared, Sarah's headstone (If she had one) would now be relocated to one side of the cemetery along with a number of other headstones. This last point makes me think there might be a headstone. How else would Leisha Muir know the grave existed if the records were lost in a flood? I Have located the site of the pioneer headstones on the corner of Briggs Road and Cemetery Road. But I'm struggling to find a list of pioneers names for those headstones. Cheers Greg

This last point makes me think there might be a headstone. How else would Leisha Muir know the grave existed if the records were lost in a flood? I Have located the site of the pioneer headstones on the corner of Briggs Road and Cemetery Road. But I'm struggling to find a list of pioneers names for those headstones. See Kerry Hall's transcriptions http://www.australiancemeteries.com/qld/ipswich/ipswich.htm but Sarah doesn't appear to be listed in the Pioneer section. David

Barbara I should have put some comers in my reply as I did not say that it was on the corner as I said it was opposite the city hall. See my correction below by adding / where I should have put a comer Regards Colin Actually the Tivoli Theatre was half way up Albert St between Adelaide and Anne St not on the corner , Barbara Most people who are asked about the Tivoli movie theatre will remember that/ It was opposite the City Hall/ in line with the Albert Street Methodist Church on the corner and Wallace Bishop on the corner opposite where the Commonwealth Bank is now. Let me ask this. Do you remember when we had coloured water fountains, numerous famous statues, a World class square (not like the thing we have now) and cars that could pass the front of the City Hall in both directions separated by the fountains where as children we would stand and watch them change colour and watch the different patterns? For those who remember all this will also know where the Tivoli was. Colin ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.898, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.19100) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

When looking at the "Square" now it is hard to visualise where anything was it is not an attractive place maybe after they finish re-vamping City Hall something might be done, but then there are other areas that need work on Barbara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Tivoli Theatre Brisbane Hi Barbara The original Tivoli Theatre was situated in Albert St opposite the City Hall - as mentioned by another Lister. Apparently it began with vaudeville; concerts etc. (at least this is my recollection of what my mother told me when we visited it in later years when it became a picture theatre. The bottom theatre area was called the "Tivoli" with the upstairs called "The Roof Garden". Two separate entities - more expensive going to the Roof Garden. They usually ran the more "off- beat "movies of the time. I remember her telling me about a Beauty Contest they held there. She had apparently entered but "ran a mile" when she found out she had to wear a bathing suit! I would say this would have been c.1920s. Would try John Oxley for these early records and photos. Regards, Kay On Wed, Jan 18th, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Barbara <[email protected]> wrote: > The name "Tivoli" is now used on a nightclub down near the Exhibition > Grounds Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually the Tivoli Theatre was half way up Albert St between Adelaide and Anne St not on the corner , I do remember the old square as that was where they used to bring the fellow doing National Service from Wacol and drop them off in front of the Theatre and they would have to be at the front of the City Hall near the Statue of King George to get the buses back to Camp. WE have lost several of the "good" theatres and the Newsreel one under what was the Telegraph building in Queen Street, the facade of which is still incorporated into the facade of the Myers Centre in Queen Street. There is nothing to indicate in Elizabeth St to indicate where the Theatre Royal was, nor old Skating Ring where the pathways are for the Art Gallery and leading to the State Library Building on the River bank. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Colin Larter Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:29 AM To: Roots Aus Qld Subject: [AUS-QLD] Tivoli Most people who are asked about the Tivoli movie theatre will remember that it was opposite the City Hall in line with the Albert Street Methodist Church on the corner and Wallace Bishop on the corner opposite where the Commonwealth Bank is now. Let me ask this. Do you remember when we had coloured water fountains, numerous famous statues, a World class square (not like the thing we have now) and cars that could pass the front of the City Hall in both directions separated by the fountains where as children we would stand and watch them change colour and watch the different patterns? For those who remember all this will also know where the Tivoli was. Colin ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.898, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.19080) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message