Sorry, June, I didn't pick up the first reply from you. The three relevant pages are copied below...because this email format is not html, therefore no tables constrain the information, I apologise if anything seems out of order. APPENDIX 2 TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS IN SOUTH EAST QUEENSLAND 1823-1961 (The following summary chronology comes from Rod Fisher et al., SEQ2001, 1995 Margaret Pullar, Historic Travel Routes of Queensland, 1995, John Kerr, The triumph of narrow gauge, a history of Queensland railways,1990 and Marion Diamond, A history of the Main Roads Department, Queensland, unpub.) DATE EVENT 1823 Oxley's first journey up the Brisbane River 1824 Oxley, Cunningham and Butler journey upstream to Colleges Crossing and environs 1825 Major Edmund Lockyer further along to the hunction with the Stanley River and the foothills of Mt Brisbane 1826 Captain Patrick Logan to the Logan River and sighting of the bar of Southport, followed by exploration of the Coomera River, Bremer River to Limestone Hills (later Ipswich) 1827 Cunningham led expedition to explore the western side of the Great Dividing Range. Discovered and named Darling Downs. Patrick Logan through the Fassifern Valley and east to Mt Barney 1828 Cunningham found Cunningham's Gap giving access from the coast to the southern Darling Downs 1828 Logan locates limestone deposits while exploring the Bremer River. Lime manufactured for building Brisbane. Logan wanted to mine coal in the vicinity of the Bremer River 1828 Logan, Cunningham and Colonial Botanist Charles Fraser from Logan River to beyond Mt Barney 1828 Cunningham from Ipswich through the Gap to the Darling Downs 1829 Cunningham around the Esk-Lockyer basin and upper Brisbane Valley to the mountains near Moore 1830 Logan through Collins Gap to the Richmond River 1830 Logan murdered while exploring between Ipswich and Esk 1838 Andrew Petrie explored areas around Brisbane and north to Maroochy River 1840 Patrick Leslie explored the Darling Downs 1840 Gorman's Gap discovered by Lieutenant Owen Gorman 1842 Andrew Petrie visited bunya gathering in the Blackall Range 1843 Dr Stephen Simpson crossed Conondale Range near the head of the Stanley River, and followed Mary River to its mouth 1845 Punt servies between Brisbane and Ipswich 1840s Road established via Flagstone Creek, through to Ipswich, Gorman's Gap and on to Darling Downs 1842 Thomas Archer built one of the earliest bridges crossing the Stanley River at Durundur 1846 New route to Brisbane east of D'Aguilar Range and upsteam of the tidal influence of coastal streams, linking with German missionaries' track to the north - entry via Nundah and Eagle Farm (following Aboriginal pathways) 1846 Track from Ipswich to Fassifern station and then to Darling Downs via Cunningham's Gap - another south cia Moogerah and White Swamp 1846 Surveyor J.C. Burnett followed Burnett River to the sea 1847 Spicer's Gap found by stockman Henry Alphan 1847 George Furber travelled north of Mary River (site of his store is Baddow) 1852 Coach services connected Ipswich and Drayton and Brisbane in the 1850s 1852 Squatter-built road from Drayton to Grantham Station and on to Ipswich was listed as the only first class road in Moreton Bay district 1854 Surveyor of roads appointed, and first task was road from Brisbane to Drayton via Ipswich and the user-pays toll road to Toowoomba 1854 Old North Road built- via Samford, Samsonvale, Terror's Creek (Dayboro) to North Pine River 1858 Road to Logan surveyed (Slacks track or the Beeleigh Road, passing Eight Mile Plains) 1859 Bridge over Mosquito Creek, a tributary of Sideling Creek 1860 Only 7 roads in Qld, including Brisbane to Gayndah (north road); the Burnett on Brisbane River Road; the Logan ;Mogill; and Ipswich; and Ipswich to Drayton and Warwick by 1870 Good road from Brisbane to Nerang Creek (via Logan, Beenleigh, Alberton, Pimpama, Coomera) - daily Cobb & Co Coach services 168 by 1870 Another road south from Brisbane via Jimboomba and Veresdale 1876 Bridge at Yatala opened 1860s Influence of sugar - (Brisbane, Eight Mile Plains, Kingston, Waterford, Beenleigh) and (Belmont, Tingalpa - Capalaba - Waterford) and (Ipswich, Goodna, Brownsleigh, Tingalpa) and (Goodna, Oxley, Coopers Plains, Broadwater, Mount Petrie, Tingalpa) 1860s Old North Road to Durundur and Conondale via Kelvin Grove, Enoggera, Samford, Dayboro - when Pine River crossed, it went on to Petrie-Terror's Creek road and when Caboolture River crossed, on to Caloolture- Kilcoy Road 1865 Rail from Ipswich to Bigges Camp (Grandchester) 1866 Rail from Grandchester to Gatton and Helidon, reached Toowoomba in 1867 1868 Bustard Head Lighthouse became operational 1868 Road to Gympie goldfields - via North Pine (Petrie), Caboolture, Glasshouse Mts, Coochin Creek (Beerwah), Mellum Creek (Landsborough), Mooloolah, Cobbs Camp (Woombye), Petrie's Creek (Nambour) and Yandina 1870 Sandy Cape Lighthouse, Fraser Island, became operational 1875 Rail from Ipswich to Roma Street 1881 Rail from North Bundaberg to Moolboolaman and on to Boolboonda (1883) and Mt Perry (1884) 1881 Rail opened between Gympie and Maryborough 1883 Steamer ferry service from Brisbane to Redcliffe 1883 Rail opened from Baddow to Howard - Bundaberg (1888), Gladstone (1896) 1884 Rail from Wilkuraka (west of Ipswich) reached Lowood and Esk in 1886 1885 Rail link south to Kingston, Loganholme and Beenleigh (Southport in 1889 and Nerang by 1890) - branch to Logan Village in 1885 and Beaudesert in 1888 1885 Pettigrew established shipping depot at Eudlo Creek, which was abandoned with re-routing of North Coast rail line 1886 Rail line from Theebine to Kilkivan, Goomeri (1902), Wondai (1903), Kingaroy (1904), Nanango (1911) 1887 Rail from Isis Junction to Childers, Cordalba (1896), Dallarnil (1913) 1888 Rail reached North Pine (Petrie) and Caboolture then Landsborough in1890, Yandina, Cooroy and Martins Halfway House (Cooran) and Gympie 1891 1889 Rail line from Mungar Junction to Brooweena, then Biggenden (1891), Degilbo (1893), Gayndah (1907), Mundubbera (1914), Monto (1928) 1880s Mail coach linked Landsborough to Caloundra and Maleny 1887 Branch rail line extened from Ipswich to Dugandan 1903 Rail line extended from Nerang to Tweed Heads 1903 Beaudesert Shire Council opened light rail fork to south - reaching Rathdowney on Logan River and Hillview along Christmas Creek by 1911 (serving farmers and timber getters) 1909 Caboolture to Woodford rail line - aimed at timber trade and dairy and agricultural produce - reached Kilcoy in 1913 1911 coal rail line from Rosewood to Marburg 1911 Branch rail line from Laidley to Mulgowie 1912 Rail link from Bundaberg to Boongarra Junction 1914 Mary Valley rail branch line opened from Monkland to Kandanga - reached Brooloo in 1915 1915 rail from Logan Village to Canungra 1916 Branch rail line from Munbilla to Kalbar (Fassifern Valley) - reached to Mount Edwards in 1922 1918- 20 Rail moved from Enoggera north to Samford and Dayboro (agricultural townships) 1923 Rail connection from Murgon to Proston 1925 Jubilee Bridge opened at Southport 1926 Start of Anzac Memorial Avenue from Redcliffe to North Coast Road 1926 Road from Beaudesert through timber reserves to Mt Lindesay (access to NSW) - road also being built from Mudgeeraba to Springbrook 1927 Bridges opened across Tallebudgera and Currumbin Creeks 1930 Road from Ipswich via Aratula over Cunningham's Gap ran westwards 169 1930 Brisbane-Sydney rail link via Kyogle opened 1930 First highways declared were the Northern (61.6 miles), Brisbane-Mount Lindsay-Warwick (27.3 miles) and Pacific (1 mile) 1932 William Jolly bridge, Brisbane, opened 1930s Roads built - where possible to connect to rail. Road from Landsborough to Maleny e.g. Roads also to north coast beaches (Woombye to Maroochydore, Cooroy to Tewantin) and also Dayboro-Mt Mee- Woodford - Peachester Road 1934 First section of Bruce Highway opened from Rothwell (near Redcliffe) to Beerwah 1935 Hornibrook Highway opened 1940 Story Bridge, Brisbane, opened 1940 Toowoomba Range Road declared a state highway and became two-lane bitumen thoroughfare 1944 Beaudesert tramway closed 1955 Closure of unprofitable branch lines - Laidley Valley, Canungra, Ferny Grove to Dayboro 1959 Road begun to link Caloundra and Noosa 1960 More rail closures - Lota to Cleveland, Mt Edwards and Maryvale 1961 Rail to Nerang and Tweed Heads closed Gloria

Hoping someone can help in supplying information on Michael Joseph McQUILLAN Born in Scotland in 1860, married in NSW in 1892 to Ellen Reilly and died in Queensland on 1 May 1935. I am hoping someone can supply place of death & a possible burial. Helen NZ

He was buried in the Gympie Cemetery on 2/5/1935 Lynne Sent from my iPhone On 27/01/2012, at 6:19 PM, "Helen Duggan" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoping someone can help in supplying information on Michael Joseph McQUILLAN > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Helen, Michael Joseph McQUILLAN was a miner, living at South Side, Gympie when the 1934 Qld Electoral Roll was taken. Cheers Janet

thank you will do that. june ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara OConnor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier > June, > > There may be something in your firewall/settings/whatever, which is > preventing the link from connecting. Try copying and pasting the link > into > your browser. > > Cheers > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

June, There may be something in your firewall/settings/whatever, which is preventing the link from connecting. Try copying and pasting the link into your browser. Cheers

Barbara just clicked the link June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara OConnor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier > Hi June, > > Did you click on the link, or did you type the address into your browser? > If the latter, you may have missed the _ between gov/au and data (because > of > the underlining). > > The link worked for me, but I didn't wait for it to download, and closed > the > browser page. 6MB on my dial-up service would take ages to download. A > short > trip with Cobb & Co would probably be quicker! > > Regards > Barbara > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi June, Did you click on the link, or did you type the address into your browser? If the latter, you may have missed the _ between gov/au and data (because of the underlining). The link worked for me, but I didn't wait for it to download, and closed the browser page. 6MB on my dial-up service would take ages to download. A short trip with Cobb & Co would probably be quicker! Regards Barbara

I would be very interested in hearing fromanyone researching William KELLY who died 6th of December, 1932 in Brisbane and whose parents are recorded as James KELLY and Bridget (nee CAREY) Greg

This site will answer all your questions - http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/trains/history.aspx#railways

Hi gloria, I couldn't get the site to open Am I doing something wrong June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Sheehan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier > Marg > > While researching for a history two years ago, and trying to confirm > various > people's memories of Cobb & Co routes, I came across the following web > site: > > www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/49350/qld_se_travel.pdf > > It's a 6 MB file, and mainly to do with logging development etc, but on > pages 167 to 169 it details the opening up of the main travel routes > throughout south-east Queensland. > > Gloria > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam,Did it say what the connection to Brisbane was prior to that? I think I remember something about coach or even ferry/steamer connection (up the river) to link with the rail which already went from Ipswich to Toowoomba in the early 1860s. Estelle > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:58:30 +1000 > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Railway from Toowoomba to Brisbane > > > > > Found this on Google: > > The first railway built in Queensland ran from Ipswich, a city west of > Brisbane, to Dalby, west of Toowoomba. This line was opened to Bigge's Camp > (now Grandchester) on 31 July 1865. It extended to Gatton in 1866 through > multiple tunnels including the Victoria Tunnel, to Toowoomba in 1867 and to > Dalby in 1868.[5] The railway was extended from Ipswich to Brisbane in > 1876.[6] The line from Dalby had been extended to Chinchilla in 1878, Roma > in 1880, Charleville in 1888 and Cunnamulla in 1898 > > So look as though you could travel from Toowoomba to Brisbane by rail as > early as 1876. > > Cheers. > > Pam. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MargM [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 3:16 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > > > > > Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from Toowoomba > > to > > Rockhampton in 1892 ?? > > > > Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 ( unless > > I > > didn't press the right buttons ? ) > > > > I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton trip by sea > > in 1895 > > > > But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton , 31 Dec > > 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? > > Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the > > greatest of highways back in 1966 > > Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other end had > > to > > give way. > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Bye > > > > MargM > > Qld List Admin > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > Found this on Google: The first railway built in Queensland ran from Ipswich, a city west of Brisbane, to Dalby, west of Toowoomba. This line was opened to Bigge's Camp (now Grandchester) on 31 July 1865. It extended to Gatton in 1866 through multiple tunnels including the Victoria Tunnel, to Toowoomba in 1867 and to Dalby in 1868.[5] The railway was extended from Ipswich to Brisbane in 1876.[6] The line from Dalby had been extended to Chinchilla in 1878, Roma in 1880, Charleville in 1888 and Cunnamulla in 1898 So look as though you could travel from Toowoomba to Brisbane by rail as early as 1876. Cheers. Pam. > -----Original Message----- > From: MargM [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 3:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > > Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from Toowoomba > to > Rockhampton in 1892 ?? > > Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 ( unless > I > didn't press the right buttons ? ) > > I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton trip by sea > in 1895 > > But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton , 31 Dec > 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? > Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the > greatest of highways back in 1966 > Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other end had > to > give way. > > Many thanks > > > Bye > > MargM > Qld List Admin >

Marg While researching for a history two years ago, and trying to confirm various people's memories of Cobb & Co routes, I came across the following web site: www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/49350/qld_se_travel.pdf It's a 6 MB file, and mainly to do with logging development etc, but on pages 167 to 169 it details the opening up of the main travel routes throughout south-east Queensland. Gloria

Hi Wynnette,, More valuable info for future reference. Using your technique and perseverance I'm sure to find more eventually. Thanks again for taking the time to explain. Marcelle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-QLD Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Estelle Daniels) 2. Re: GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford (Graeme & Wynnette Ford) 3. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Lorrae J) 4. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Ian & Margaret Kelly) 5. Re: Getting around in 1892 ? (Estelle Daniels) 6. More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier (MargM) 7. Re: More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier (Estelle Daniels) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:55:36 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of some use. Estelle > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:48:26 +1100 > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Hi Marg, > > I note that James Stewart & Co was a department store. I could be wrong but > I would think that the "eldest son" might not have travelled rough, as my > "two brothers" did throughout north Queensland. > > As Bev as pointed out, stage coaches did the trip, but there was also a lot > of coastal shipping and if passengers were prepared to work on board, or > sleep rough, fares could be come by very cheaply. > > One of my "brothers", at least by 1907, had a carrying business of sorts > (one dray) at Townsville and I know that he took passengers. I imagine this > may have been a fairly common method of transport for a lone male. > > I've picked up a couple of drovers listed as NSW train passengers on TROVE > around that period (presumably returning after having delivered the stock to > their destination). I think it was rather cute that train passengers' names > were published. Not sure if this also occurred in Queensland, but worth a > shot. > > Regards > Barbara > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:50:30 +1000 From: "Graeme & Wynnette Ford" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Marcelle, I always put my search name into the "The Phrase" line. I find it seems to bring up more results. I also try the surname with initials only added or if the name is Thomas etc, use abbreviations such as Ths. In your case, with such an unusual surname, I just used it by itself. You will have to try many spellings, not just from name spelling changes, but in case of typographical errors. I would recommend that you explore the family arriving in QLD, and then see if it is the same one that turns up in SA. I'd also try trove in the SA newspapers in case they stayed there and Hans moved on when he got older. Hmm, I just had a quick look, can't see much but the family name persists up until the 1950's. Cheers, Wynnette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mvs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: [AUS-QLD] GRONVOLD Hans Schmidt (Graeme & Wynnette Ford > Thanks you so much Wynnette. > > I was on Trove last night and came up with practically nothing! > Must be my 'key technique' LOL > > You've sent me so much to go on with so I'm off to look where the URL > takes > me. > > Thanks gain, Marcelle > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4760 - Release Date: 01/22/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4762 - Release Date: 01/23/12 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:04:37 +1000 From: "Lorrae J" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Marg The railway was certainly in Toowoomba in the 1890's My step-great grandfather (mouthfull) - his father worked the railway, and he was in Toowoomba in 1879 for sure - senior Engine driver. It went west from Ipswich in the 1860's and was a major method of travel. Rail to Brisbane, then boat up the coast or buggy My ancestors arrived in Brisbane about 1905, and they went overland to Gympie, but they later went by boat to Mackay (by 1910) Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://www.lorrae.net/ -----Original Message----- From: MargM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 3:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from Toowoomba to Rockhampton in 1892 ?? Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 ( unless I didn't press the right buttons ? ) I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton trip by sea in 1895 But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton , 31 Dec 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the greatest of highways back in 1966 Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other end had to give way. Many thanks Bye MargM Qld List Admin __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6822 (20120124) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:31 +1000 From: "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Marg The rail line to Brisbane from Rockhampton was not completed until 1903. As Estelle mentioned most people arrived before this time into Rockhampton by coastal steamer as it was the quickest way. There were too many large rivers to cross for coaches to come up the coast way. It was possible to travel west from Brisbane or Toowoomba and get to Rockhampton by the inland route but it was extremely slow. The rail line from Toowoomba to Charleville was open in 1888. The rail line from Rockhampton reached Barcaldine in 1886. Therefore your relative could have travelled by rail to Charleville and then by Cobb & Co from Charleville, Augathella, Tambo, Blackall to the Central Rail line at Jericho and then rail to Rockhampton but it would take days. Many western people travelled a somewhat similar route from Winton area to Brisbane in the early 1900's. Our reference is "Cobb & Co - Coaching in Queensland" by Deborah Tranter. I would suggest that the easiest and quickest method of arriving in Rockhampton would definitely be by ship. In the early 1930's, my Mother said that she travelled to Sydney by coastal ship from Townsville so this method of travelling was very common for many years. By the way, the Bruce Highway was named in 1930's but could not find when this road was completed. cheers Margaret Sandstone Point ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelle Daniels" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in > Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I > remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so > the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal > steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside > Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe > some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that > were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the > Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from > Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% > certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find > many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and > Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the > cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! > of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes > of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or > departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on > the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could > travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; > Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of > Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and > Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The > construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches > simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head > happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed > passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of > some use. Estelle ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:42:06 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Margaret,I agree that it was possible to go inland from Toowoomba to Rocky, basically following in the footsteps of explorers like Leichhardt, as much of the road does today. Most of the squatters and selectors in the Central Region, even prior to Qld statehood took this route if they had to bring stock and property. If there were women and young children that couldnt make that long arduous journey - often months on the road, depending on the weather - they would take the journey by coastal steamer and join the remainder of the group, depending on the time frame of course. From the research that I have done, it was probably the shortest route, but you didnt make that overland trip if you didnt have to. Rockhampton was the hub of Central Qld and all communications seemed to lead to there - and then to wherever you wanted to go. Qld is still a very decentralised state as far as road and rail go.Estelle> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:31 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Hello Marg > > The rail line to Brisbane from Rockhampton was not completed until 1903. As > Estelle mentioned most people arrived before this time into Rockhampton by > coastal steamer as it was the quickest way. There were too many large rivers > to cross for coaches to come up the coast way. > > It was possible to travel west from Brisbane or Toowoomba and get to > Rockhampton by the inland route but it was extremely slow. The rail line > from Toowoomba to Charleville was open in 1888. The rail line from > Rockhampton reached Barcaldine in 1886. Therefore your relative could have > travelled by rail to Charleville and then by Cobb & Co from Charleville, > Augathella, Tambo, Blackall to the Central Rail line at Jericho and then > rail to Rockhampton but it would take days. Many western people travelled a > somewhat similar route from Winton area to Brisbane in the early 1900's. > > Our reference is "Cobb & Co - Coaching in Queensland" by Deborah Tranter. > > I would suggest that the easiest and quickest method of arriving in > Rockhampton would definitely be by ship. > > In the early 1930's, my Mother said that she travelled to Sydney by coastal > ship from Townsville so this method of travelling was very common for many > years. > > By the way, the Bruce Highway was named in 1930's but could not find when > this road was completed. > > cheers > Margaret > Sandstone Point > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelle Daniels" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > > > > > Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in > > Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I > > remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so > > the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal > > steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside > > Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe > > some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that > > were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the > > Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from > > Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% > > certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find > > many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and > > Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the > > cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! > > of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes > > of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or > > departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on > > the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could > > travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; > > Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of > > Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and > > Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The > > construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches > > simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head > > happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed > > passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of > > some use. Estelle > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:43:57 +1100 From: "MargM" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks for all the replies ........ Have certainly learnt a few things and this morning Google found the Archer Park Rail Museum One of the 3 family members on the 1895 ships voyage from Brisbane to Rockhampton was Edwin D'Oyly APLIN , who worked as a manager for the Bank of NSW at various Qld branches between 1881 - 1900 I got copy of his employment record some years ago He certainly got around : May 1882 he was sent to Winton June 1884 to Blackall,Aug 1884 in Rockhampton en route to Bundaberg, Feb 1885 Maryborough, Mar 1885, Roma, May 1885 Toowoomba. Then he went between Warwick and Stanthorpe a few times. Then Nov 1888 was sent up to Port Douglas for a few months then Normanton for over 2 years . That over 700 kms by road in 2012 .......... Maybe he travelled by sea via Cape York ? Up to Aug 1893 he was in Townsville, Cairns, Charters Towers. Cairns again and Charters Towers . Then some 5 years in Winton were he married and had 3 children This is a typical example of a few answers found that generate a heap of new questions ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:16:17 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Marg - going by sea to Normanton would have certainly been on the cards. I had relatives who went to Cloncurry around the same time, and they apparently went via Normanton by boat and then moved a building to Cloncurry in the process. As far as your fellow goes - I would say the coastal towns would have been accessed by boat; the inland ones by rail as far as he could go - and then he would have met a coach at the rail head and travelled on. Estelle> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:43:57 +1100 > Subject: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier > > Thanks for all the replies ........ Have certainly learnt a few > things and this morning Google found the Archer Park Rail > Museum > > One of the 3 family members on the 1895 ships voyage from > Brisbane to Rockhampton was Edwin D'Oyly APLIN , > who worked as a manager for the Bank of NSW at various Qld > branches between 1881 - 1900 > > I got copy of his employment record some years ago He certainly > got around : May 1882 he was sent to Winton > June 1884 to Blackall,Aug 1884 in Rockhampton en route to > Bundaberg, Feb 1885 Maryborough, Mar 1885, Roma, > May 1885 Toowoomba. Then he went between Warwick and Stanthorpe a > few times. Then Nov 1888 was sent up to > Port Douglas for a few months then Normanton for over 2 years . > > That over 700 kms by road in 2012 .......... Maybe he travelled > by sea via Cape York ? > > Up to Aug 1893 he was in Townsville, Cairns, Charters Towers. > Cairns again and Charters Towers . > Then some 5 years in Winton were he married and had 3 children > > > This is a typical example of a few answers found that generate a > heap > of new questions ! > > > Bye > > MargM > Qld List Admin > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... 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Marg - going by sea to Normanton would have certainly been on the cards. I had relatives who went to Cloncurry around the same time, and they apparently went via Normanton by boat and then moved a building to Cloncurry in the process. As far as your fellow goes - I would say the coastal towns would have been accessed by boat; the inland ones by rail as far as he could go - and then he would have met a coach at the rail head and travelled on. Estelle> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:43:57 +1100 > Subject: [AUS-QLD] More on getting around Qld in 1892 and earlier > > Thanks for all the replies ........ Have certainly learnt a few > things and this morning Google found the Archer Park Rail > Museum > > One of the 3 family members on the 1895 ships voyage from > Brisbane to Rockhampton was Edwin D'Oyly APLIN , > who worked as a manager for the Bank of NSW at various Qld > branches between 1881 - 1900 > > I got copy of his employment record some years ago He certainly > got around : May 1882 he was sent to Winton > June 1884 to Blackall,Aug 1884 in Rockhampton en route to > Bundaberg, Feb 1885 Maryborough, Mar 1885, Roma, > May 1885 Toowoomba. Then he went between Warwick and Stanthorpe a > few times. Then Nov 1888 was sent up to > Port Douglas for a few months then Normanton for over 2 years . > > That over 700 kms by road in 2012 .......... Maybe he travelled > by sea via Cape York ? > > Up to Aug 1893 he was in Townsville, Cairns, Charters Towers. > Cairns again and Charters Towers . > Then some 5 years in Winton were he married and had 3 children > > > This is a typical example of a few answers found that generate a > heap > of new questions ! > > > Bye > > MargM > Qld List Admin > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all the replies ........ Have certainly learnt a few things and this morning Google found the Archer Park Rail Museum One of the 3 family members on the 1895 ships voyage from Brisbane to Rockhampton was Edwin D'Oyly APLIN , who worked as a manager for the Bank of NSW at various Qld branches between 1881 - 1900 I got copy of his employment record some years ago He certainly got around : May 1882 he was sent to Winton June 1884 to Blackall,Aug 1884 in Rockhampton en route to Bundaberg, Feb 1885 Maryborough, Mar 1885, Roma, May 1885 Toowoomba. Then he went between Warwick and Stanthorpe a few times. Then Nov 1888 was sent up to Port Douglas for a few months then Normanton for over 2 years . That over 700 kms by road in 2012 .......... Maybe he travelled by sea via Cape York ? Up to Aug 1893 he was in Townsville, Cairns, Charters Towers. Cairns again and Charters Towers . Then some 5 years in Winton were he married and had 3 children This is a typical example of a few answers found that generate a heap of new questions ! Bye MargM Qld List Admin

Hello Margaret,I agree that it was possible to go inland from Toowoomba to Rocky, basically following in the footsteps of explorers like Leichhardt, as much of the road does today. Most of the squatters and selectors in the Central Region, even prior to Qld statehood took this route if they had to bring stock and property. If there were women and young children that couldnt make that long arduous journey - often months on the road, depending on the weather - they would take the journey by coastal steamer and join the remainder of the group, depending on the time frame of course. From the research that I have done, it was probably the shortest route, but you didnt make that overland trip if you didnt have to. Rockhampton was the hub of Central Qld and all communications seemed to lead to there - and then to wherever you wanted to go. Qld is still a very decentralised state as far as road and rail go.Estelle> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:31 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Hello Marg > > The rail line to Brisbane from Rockhampton was not completed until 1903. As > Estelle mentioned most people arrived before this time into Rockhampton by > coastal steamer as it was the quickest way. There were too many large rivers > to cross for coaches to come up the coast way. > > It was possible to travel west from Brisbane or Toowoomba and get to > Rockhampton by the inland route but it was extremely slow. The rail line > from Toowoomba to Charleville was open in 1888. The rail line from > Rockhampton reached Barcaldine in 1886. Therefore your relative could have > travelled by rail to Charleville and then by Cobb & Co from Charleville, > Augathella, Tambo, Blackall to the Central Rail line at Jericho and then > rail to Rockhampton but it would take days. Many western people travelled a > somewhat similar route from Winton area to Brisbane in the early 1900's. > > Our reference is "Cobb & Co - Coaching in Queensland" by Deborah Tranter. > > I would suggest that the easiest and quickest method of arriving in > Rockhampton would definitely be by ship. > > In the early 1930's, my Mother said that she travelled to Sydney by coastal > ship from Townsville so this method of travelling was very common for many > years. > > By the way, the Bruce Highway was named in 1930's but could not find when > this road was completed. > > cheers > Margaret > Sandstone Point > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelle Daniels" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > > > > > Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in > > Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I > > remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so > > the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal > > steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside > > Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe > > some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that > > were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the > > Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from > > Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% > > certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find > > many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and > > Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the > > cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! > > of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes > > of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or > > departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on > > the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could > > travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; > > Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of > > Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and > > Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The > > construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches > > simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head > > happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed > > passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of > > some use. Estelle > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marg The rail line to Brisbane from Rockhampton was not completed until 1903. As Estelle mentioned most people arrived before this time into Rockhampton by coastal steamer as it was the quickest way. There were too many large rivers to cross for coaches to come up the coast way. It was possible to travel west from Brisbane or Toowoomba and get to Rockhampton by the inland route but it was extremely slow. The rail line from Toowoomba to Charleville was open in 1888. The rail line from Rockhampton reached Barcaldine in 1886. Therefore your relative could have travelled by rail to Charleville and then by Cobb & Co from Charleville, Augathella, Tambo, Blackall to the Central Rail line at Jericho and then rail to Rockhampton but it would take days. Many western people travelled a somewhat similar route from Winton area to Brisbane in the early 1900's. Our reference is "Cobb & Co - Coaching in Queensland" by Deborah Tranter. I would suggest that the easiest and quickest method of arriving in Rockhampton would definitely be by ship. In the early 1930's, my Mother said that she travelled to Sydney by coastal ship from Townsville so this method of travelling was very common for many years. By the way, the Bruce Highway was named in 1930's but could not find when this road was completed. cheers Margaret Sandstone Point ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelle Daniels" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? > > Helle Listers,James Stewart & Co is still a department store in > Rockhampton. At least in 1896, the rail went to Gladstone, but if I > remember correctly, the link to Rockhampton was not made until 1902, so > the usual mode of transport from Brisbane to Rockhampton was by coastal > steamer. Many of these boats went right up the river and docked alongside > Quay St in Rockhampton (probably named for obvious reasons). I believe > some of the immigrant ships which would have arrived earlier than that > were moored in Keppel Bay and the passengers boated in from there to the > Immigration Depot for processing. I think there was a rail link from > Brisbane to Toowoomba, or Ipswich and Toowoomba maybe. Im not 100% > certain on which towns at that time. If you go onto Trove, you will find > many passengers on these coastal steamers listed in Arrivals and > Departures. Generally steerage passengers are not listed, and often the > cabin passengers are only mentioned by surname. I havent come across any! > of the local papers listed rail passengers as such - just in social notes > of comings and goings from Rockhampton hotels and whether they arrived or > departed by train. There are several Rockhampton papers now digitised on > the Trove site, so it is worth a look. Anyway, once in Rocky one could > travel quite easily west on the rail - it arrived in Emerald in 1879; > Capella (north of Emerald) in 1882; Clermont (still further north of > Capella) in 1884. The lines from Emerald to Springsure (south); and > Emerald to Barcaldine (west) were both completed in 1887. The > construction of the rail line superseded the coach routes, and coaches > simply kept running the remainder of the way from wherever the rail head > happened to be, until it was completed. Mail services which conveyed > passengers continued to service routes not on the rail. I hope this is of > some use. Estelle

Hi Marg The railway was certainly in Toowoomba in the 1890's My step-great grandfather (mouthfull) - his father worked the railway, and he was in Toowoomba in 1879 for sure - senior Engine driver. It went west from Ipswich in the 1860's and was a major method of travel. Rail to Brisbane, then boat up the coast or buggy My ancestors arrived in Brisbane about 1905, and they went overland to Gympie, but they later went by boat to Mackay (by 1910) Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://www.lorrae.net/ -----Original Message----- From: MargM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 3:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-QLD] Getting around in 1892 ? Does anyone have an idea of the pros & cons of travelling from Toowoomba to Rockhampton in 1892 ?? Google didn't seem have much info on history of Qld Rail c 1892 ( unless I didn't press the right buttons ? ) I know some family members also did the Brisbane - Rockhampton trip by sea in 1895 But eldest son was employed by James Stewart & Co of Rockhampton , 31 Dec 1892 .......Maybe he hitch hiked ??? Was the Bruce Highway in existence then ? I know it wasn't the greatest of highways back in 1966 Where a lot of one way bridges where you or who ever at the other end had to give way. Many thanks Bye MargM Qld List Admin __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6822 (20120124) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com