Hi again Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have proven fruitless. As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are there other areas I should be looking at?. Regards Geoff Collins

Hi Geoff, You could try TROVE - the National Library's newspaper website. It gives two accounts of a Samuel Collins in 1871 and 1872 being sent to gaol - one for assaulting a constable. Perhaps that is why he was in gaol. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <collins.g@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins > Hi again > > Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in > circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I > appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths > to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all > pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have > proven fruitless. > As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any > sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the > Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes > his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as > a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I > find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are > there other areas I should be looking at?. > Regards > > Geoff Collins > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lyn I have also found a few other court appearances for a gentleman (or gentlemen) with this name and I do believe that at least would be him, particularly those which have him as a cab driver or coachman. The 2 cases you mention could also be other crimes but the timing may have meant a delay in him being locked up which, I don't think, happened in those times- thanks for your interest. Lyn, greatly appreciated. Regards Geoff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Elgood Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:27 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi Geoff, You could try TROVE - the National Library's newspaper website. It gives two accounts of a Samuel Collins in 1871 and 1872 being sent to gaol - one for assaulting a constable. Perhaps that is why he was in gaol. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <collins.g@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins > Hi again > > Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in > circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I > appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths > to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all > pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have > proven fruitless. > As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any > sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the > Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes > his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as > a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I > find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are > there other areas I should be looking at?. > Regards > > Geoff Collins > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message