Hi Geoff, This may not be any help, as the records for the Mangles seem to be incomplete. But there are several convicts named Samuel Collins on other ships. Some of them went to Van Diemen's Land. There is the Norfolk (1825), the Marquis (1826), the Marion 1843, John Calvin (1846) & the Castle Forbes (unsure of the year). Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: collins.g@bigpond.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi again Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have proven fruitless. As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are there other areas I should be looking at?. Regards Geoff Collins ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Coral These vessels were advised to me sometime ago by Lesley although the Castle Forbes does not ring any bells, I will investigate this further- thanks forum for your assistance and interest Regards Geoff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Coral Saunders Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 2:05 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi Geoff, This may not be any help, as the records for the Mangles seem to be incomplete. But there are several convicts named Samuel Collins on other ships. Some of them went to Van Diemen's Land. There is the Norfolk (1825), the Marquis (1826), the Marion 1843, John Calvin (1846) & the Castle Forbes (unsure of the year). Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: collins.g@bigpond.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi again Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have proven fruitless. As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are there other areas I should be looking at?. Regards Geoff Collins ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message