Hi John, Thanks for the information about McCarthy's farm. If I get a chance, I'll check it out. I don't suppose our Harriets are the same person - mine had quite a haul of stolen goods - literally 3 bags full. The Old Bailey transcript makes interesting reading. Best of luck with your Harriet. Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: john.mail@ozemail.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:18 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Harriet White - Castlereagh Hello, She'd have been buried (unless Catholic - who buried their own at McCarthy's farm [named "Cranebrook"]) by the Reverend Henry Fulton. Most protestants there were so buried, pre 1838 anyway. Fulton himself was an "Irish Rebel" too. But he was such a refined man, with hands showing little sign of manual work, that the Sydney authorities considered it would have been highly unseemly to put such a gentlemen on the road gangs, or anywhere else like that. Instead, and as there was need of more Anglican chaplains, he was made the parson of Castlereagh and installed into a very fine and expensive government-funded parsonage there. I am still looking for any remains of his parsonage, and have already spent much time at that. Fulton himself is buried in the Castlereagh cemetery too, right in the rear back corner. Most of the Castlereagh church register does survive I understand (maybe a few pages are missing?) although I have never seen it myself. The original church itself burned down. Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:55:20 +1000 Subject:Re: [PJ] Harriet White - Castlereagh Hi Coral It seems to me that you have not checked the original burial record for Harriet as looking at the record will probably solve where she was buried. As mentioned by others, she died well before civil registration started in 1856. Therefore the record available will be a church burial register. That means you should be able to identify which Church minister, and therefore which church parish, performed the burial. And its likely she would have been buried in the cemetery associated with that church and parish. The NSW BDM Index entry reads. V18225426 2B/1822 HANSON HARRIOT AGE 32 V1822103 155/1822 HANSON HARRIOT AGE 32 You can use the reference to check out the burial register copied onto microfilm which is part of the NSW Archives Kit. Or you can buy the "certificate" from NSW BDM Registry. You should look at both references. There being two references does not mean she was buried twice. Perhaps you might find it useful to read about the early church registers by going to http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm cheers Grahame On 14/07/2013, at 2:19 PM, Coral Saunders wrote: > Hi John, Thanks for your interest & your reply. The Aust Death Index lists Harriet White’s death place as Castlereagh which some descendants have read as Castlereagh Street, Sydney. As Harriet lived on a few different farms west of Sydney - around Parramatta, Windsor etc, I assumed the Death Index referred to the district rather than the street. I could be wrong & would be glad to be corrected if anyone knows better. > > Cheers, Coral Saunders > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Coral McCarthy's cemetery is now an island (so I am told). This happened in creating the water venues for the 2000 Olympic Games. The headstones in this Cemetery have been transcribed and published in History in Stone by J McD Jones. There are no entries for Anson, Hanson or White. cheers Grahame On 15/07/2013, at 1:01 PM, Coral Saunders wrote: > Hi John, Thanks for the information about McCarthy's farm. If I get a > chance, I'll check it out. I don't suppose our Harriets are the same > person - mine had quite a haul of stolen goods - literally 3 bags full. > The Old Bailey transcript makes interesting reading. Best of luck with your > Harriet. Cheers, Coral Saunders > > -

  Hi Carol, No chance at all that the two Harriets are one and the same.   They must be different persons. Mine was definitely Wesleyan.  Don't know how saintly yours was, but by all accounts mine definitely seemed a goodly/godly person or 'saint' (after her reform anyway); yet I don't think the Wesleyans recognised saints at all ...?.... only the Catholics, and even they are very slow about it.. McCarthy's cemetery is decidedly Catholic - perhaps the first Catholic cemetery (I am not entirely sure of that, thouigh).  it might have been made 'general' in the long run (after the Government recognised it), but it definitely began as Catholic. MCarthy's farm is held, at least locally, as the first place Catholic mass was held in Aus (by a convict priest, presumably one of the Irish Rebels of 1798) and they also began their own burials there - and carried on thus burying their own there I understand [despite the government's establishment of an official cemetery further north].  The cemetery to the north, on higher ground, is the old "Castlereagh Cemetery" - which has quite a few First Fleeters in that.   All this "history" re McCarthy's seems totally unrecognised by the Catholic Church.  I tried to get the Bishop interested, but nup ... so it is not found at all in the "official" history of the Catholic church in Aus as best I'm aware. Later on a Wesleyan cemetery was established just a short distance west of the McCarthy cemetery, and at the place also said to have been the first Wesleyan place of worship (chapel) in the southern hemisphere.   But a graveyard started there too late for my Harriet, so she is in the old Castlereagh general/Anglican cemetery.   The history of the area may be found in a book named "Dharug and Dungaree", published by Penrith Council.  Also Penrith has the best Local Studies Library I have ever seen. Dungarees are convict clothes, or the cloth they were made of; Dharugs (now more often spelled as Darugs) were the old time or Aboriginal people of the Cumberland Plain.   Also at this spot "Upper Castlereagh", a former Catholic priest, now retired, Fr. Eugene Stockton, found _in situ_ at the base of the thick gravel layer a seemingly human-made artefact.   This find, since dated by thermoluminescence at ca. 40 Ka has been published on by Eugene and colleagues and once it hit the front page of the local newspaper with a headline something like "Did Man Begin at Penrith".  As Fr Stockton wrote, this appeared to predate all of _Homo sapiens_ (but not Neanderthals) in Europe, and was then the oldest find of mankind's trace in Eastern Australian (likely exceeded now by finds at Mungo Lake or other areas?).  So the Upper Castlereagh area is a VERY historic one, n'est ce pas? - and I am very fond of it. It also became "the largest sand and gravel quarry in Australia" - hence much of this history has unfortunately now vanished. Best Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:58:44 +1000 Subject:Re: [PJ] Harriet White - Castlereagh Hi Coral McCarthy's cemetery is now an island (so I am told). This happened in creating the water venues for the 2000 Olympic Games. The headstones in this Cemetery have been transcribed and published in History in Stone by J McD Jones. There are no entries for Anson, Hanson or White. cheers Grahame On 15/07/2013, at 1:01 PM, Coral Saunders wrote: > Hi John, Thanks for the information about McCarthy's farm. If I get a > chance, I'll check it out. I don't suppose our Harriets are the same > person - mine had quite a haul of stolen goods - literally 3 bags full. > The Old Bailey transcript makes interesting reading. Best of luck with your > Harriet. Cheers, Coral Saunders > > - ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message