----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 164 > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List. > > Please don't hit Reply to respond to a digest message, but cut & paste the > specific message into a new email and change the subject heading > > Today's Topics: > > 1. John Smith 'Fame' / 'Pilot' 1816/17 (Kaye Sutton) > 2. Re: John Smith 'Fame' / 'Pilot' 1816/17 (Grahame Cheers) > 3. John Smith (Nita Fraser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:45:22 +1100 > From: Kaye Sutton <kayelsutton@me.com> > Subject: [PJ] John Smith 'Fame' / 'Pilot' 1816/17 > To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <DBE79A65-026A-4B8C-B541-2565241D612D@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listers > > I have recently read the VDL convict details of John Smith 'Fame'/ > 'Pilot' to VDL 1816/17. Con 3-1-38 entry no 53 > > As he was for a time a PJ convict before being sent on to VDL on the > 'Pilot', I am hoping I may get some help from this list. > > According to his convict details, he was to be sent from VDL to > Newcastle for "taking a boat and a smaller boat both property of the > crown" on the 16th May 1818. > I am not able to read everything on the document not even the no of years > of his sentence in Newcastle, could be 6?? > He also received 100 lashes. > > Where is it possible to find further info about his time in Newcastle?? > I am not sure how to access any available records. > > If John went to Newcastle, he was back in PD by 1824 as his first child > was born in April 1825, he then married Ann Grant, 'Lord Wellington' / > 'Jupiter' to Hobart, in Oct 1825 & together they had 2 more children. > > On John Smith's convict record doc above, in Dec 1830 he was charged > with "killing a sheep with intent to steal part of the carcass". > He was to appear in the VDL Supreme Court to answer charges but John > disappeared into the bush. Some details of the investigation of his > death/ murder are recored on Manuscript 3251 VDL 1821-1862 box 2 vol 5 > Dec 1837 page 41 which makes interesting reading. > > kaye Sutton > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:57:51 +1100 > From: Grahame Cheers <cheerstree@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] John Smith 'Fame' / 'Pilot' 1816/17 > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CA+ma3=Ad5eRoUS8UCtF1Upu=uUE_i-7PxjrFDAbHH9JPpmHK-Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Kaye, > > You might find some information here. > www. > huntervalleygenealogy.com/ > > Regards. > Grahame Cheers. > Listers > > I have recently read the VDL convict details of John Smith 'Fame'/ > 'Pilot' to VDL 1816/17. Con 3-1-38 entry no 53 > > As he was for a time a PJ convict before being sent on to VDL on the > 'Pilot', I am hoping I may get some help from this list. > > According to his convict details, he was to be sent from VDL to > Newcastle > for "taking a boat and a smaller boat both property of the crown" on the > 16th May 1818. > I am not able to read everything on the document not even the no of years > of his sentence in Newcastle, could be 6?? > He also received 100 lashes. > > Where is it possible to find further info about his time in Newcastle?? > I am not sure how to access any available records. > > If John went to Newcastle, he was back in PD by 1824 as his first child > was born in April 1825, he then married Ann Grant, 'Lord Wellington' / > 'Jupiter' to Hobart, in Oct 1825 & together they had 2 more children. > > On John Smith's convict record doc above, in Dec 1830 he was charged > with "killing a sheep with intent to steal part of the carcass". > He was to appear in the VDL Supreme Court to answer charges but John > disappeared into the bush. Some details of the investigation of his > death/ murder are recored on Manuscript 3251 VDL 1821-1862 box 2 vol 5 > Dec > 1837 page 41 which makes interesting reading. > > kaye Sutton > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:23:23 +1100 > From: "Nita Fraser" <nitafraser@iinet.net.au> > Subject: [PJ] John Smith > To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301cec96f$0cfaa9f0$26effdd0$@net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a book named ' The Fettered and the Free' Early Newcastle this covers > the first settlement in Newcastle after many years of hard work by members > of Newcastle Family History society inc; > > There are quite a few John Smiths > > John Smith "Fame 1717' states > > Was to be sent to Newcastle but may not have arrived Information gained > from Index to Colonial Secretary papers [these are readily available at > most Family History Societies] especially Society of Australian Genealogy > Sydney > > > > John Smith "Pilot"1817 > > was a lime burner husband of Margaret Hartigan Newcastle, Pt Macquarie, > Index to Col0nial Secretary Papers, Convict Index, Pioneer association > ;Pioneer Register Index 1788-1820; Hunter River Parish Register Index > > I hope this helps > > Best of luck > > Nita Fraser Newcastle > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email > to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS mailing list, send an > email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 164 > ******************************************************* >