Hello, I've long agreed all government information should be made free and downloadable. And it's nice to see various agencies going that route. However much Irish stuff got burned I understand, like when the Four Courts building was bombarded in Dublin. So sadly there's no way of bringing that back to life or cognisance. I can't find my (paternal/surname) ancestors in Ireland at all; whereas I can find heaps of other ones in England .. usually easily/reliably back to late 1770s, and maybe the odd 1600s trace too with leaps of faith. I've been pleased with English records, such as parish register books. Re the earlier comments that the Irish government is making a "cash cow" of information supply, where on earth does it get such ideas from? Was Maggie Thatcher Irish or Scottish? My ancestor was supposedly trialled/exiled as a United Irishman in 1798 ,, but I've been unable to find any records at all on him in Ireland. Regards, John (Sydney) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 09:37 PM 23/02/2009 +1100, you wrote: >Gerry, > >I spend enough time grumbling about my own government, so perhaps I >shouldn't grumble about yours. However , having 15 of my 16 g g grandparents >Irish (and the sixteenth, born here, half Irish) I'll do it anyway, though >with best intentions. > >Is there not a 50 year limit on copyright? If British Library can put their >set of Dublin Freeman's Journal on free computer access website without >Irish lawsuits then surely Irish Government Libraries could do so. . Here in >Australia the National Library is digitising our newspapers back to white >settlement (1788) and up to the copyright limit of 1955 - all with free >computer access to anyone anywhere in the world. See >http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home > >Moreover, the NSW State Government had recently provided $Aus10 million to >digitise all State Library card indexes back over a hundred years with a >view to free computer access – a boon for genealogists. > >And NSW Govt Archives provides access to extensive immigration records in >the 19C. Ships, names, families, dob, origin, profession etc etc. All free >and to anyone anywhere in the world. See http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/. > >In NSW I have free computer access to State Government website which gives >me Births (incl names of parents , location, year, and certificate >reference); marriages (full names, year, location and certificate >reference); and deaths (name, parents, location , year and certificate >reference) from 1788 to early 20 Century. All free and including >church records of the period prior to official records. See >http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm And >full detail from certificates is then available for a price much discounted >if not required for legal purposes. > >All free – that is, after we pay our income taxes. And absolutely free to >overseas based people.. > >So it is frustrating for us out here in the Colonies to be billed on the >basis of guessing whether the minimal detail is "ours". I recently sought >information, based on the minimal initial BDM information on one well known >and well promoted site. All wrong calls! And it cost $Aus 70. But I'd >happily pay this if the website gave more detail enabling us to go beyond >lottery- like bids for information. > >So, in my view, the Irish Government appears to have ignored its important >heritage- and its loyal diaspora. > > > >Regards > >Frank M. > > >2009/2/23 <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> > >> >> >> The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Dublin Trial Records (Gerry Kennedy) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:06:34 -0000 >> From: "Gerry Kennedy" <gerrynkennedy@eircom.net> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Dublin Trial Records >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <0B0605A4F64640A1BAAD1F7D72D2A5FD@owner> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Frank, >> >> This is a commercial enterprise that the newspaper owners (who presumably >> own the copyright) have done, not the Irish Government. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank >> Murray >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:10 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] Dublin Trial Records >> >> Ron, >> >> Presumably you have a National Library readers Ticket. (Anyone may apply >> from all over Australia. See the NLA website.) Go to NLA webpage and to >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

John Irish research is very challenging, I happen to have at the moment Sir Richard Musgrave's history of the 1798 rebellion. it's very loyalist & anti papist & although not a genealogical text does list a lot of names of participants on both sides. I could have a look for your ancestor's name, no guarantee but a possibility, if of course you haven't already consulted this tome Robyn Hardie On Tuesday, February 24, 2009, at 02:10 AM, John wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > My ancestor was supposedly trialled/exiled as a United Irishman in > 1798 ,, > but I've been unable to find any records at all on him in Ireland. > > Regards, > > > > > John > > (Sydney) > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > At 09:37 PM 23/02/2009 +1100, you wrote: > >> Gerry, >> >> I spend enough time grumbling about my own government, so perhaps I >> shouldn't grumble about yours. However , having 15 of my 16 g g >> grandparents >> Irish (and the sixteenth, born here, half Irish) I'll do it anyway, >> though >> with best intentions. >> >> Is there not a 50 year limit on copyright? If British Library can put >> their >> set of Dublin Freeman's Journal on free computer access website >> without >> Irish lawsuits then surely Irish Government Libraries could do so. . >> Here in >> Australia the National Library is digitising our newspapers back to >> white >> settlement (1788) and up to the copyright limit of 1955 - all with >> free >> computer access to anyone anywhere in the world. See >> http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home >> >> Moreover, the NSW State Government had recently provided $Aus10 >> million to >> digitise all State Library card indexes back over a hundred years >> with a >> view to free computer access – a boon for genealogists. >> >> And NSW Govt Archives provides access to extensive immigration >> records in >> the 19C. Ships, names, families, dob, origin, profession etc etc. All >> free >> and to anyone anywhere in the world. See >> http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/. >> >> In NSW I have free computer access to State Government website which >> gives >> me Births (incl names of parents , location, year, and certificate >> reference); marriages (full names, year, location and certificate >> reference); and deaths (name, parents, location , year and certificate >> reference) from 1788 to early 20 Century. All free and including >> church records of the period prior to official records. See >> http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm >> And >> full detail from certificates is then available for a price much >> discounted >> if not required for legal purposes. >> >> All free – that is, after we pay our income taxes. And absolutely >> free to >> overseas based people.. >> >> So it is frustrating for us out here in the Colonies to be billed on >> the >> basis of guessing whether the minimal detail is "ours". I recently >> sought >> information, based on the minimal initial BDM information on one well >> known >> and well promoted site. All wrong calls! And it cost $Aus 70. But I'd >> happily pay this if the website gave more detail enabling us to go >> beyond >> lottery- like bids for information. >> >> So, in my view, the Irish Government appears to have ignored its >> important >> heritage- and its loyal diaspora. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Frank M. >> >> >> 2009/2/23 <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> >> >>> >>> >>> The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Dublin Trial Records (Gerry Kennedy) >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:06:34 -0000 >>> From: "Gerry Kennedy" <gerrynkennedy@eircom.net> >>> Subject: Re: [PJ] Dublin Trial Records >>> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <0B0605A4F64640A1BAAD1F7D72D2A5FD@owner> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Frank, >>> >>> This is a commercial enterprise that the newspaper owners (who >>> presumably >>> own the copyright) have done, not the Irish Government. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >>> Frank >>> Murray >>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:10 PM >>> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [PJ] Dublin Trial Records >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Presumably you have a National Library readers Ticket. (Anyone may >>> apply >>> from all over Australia. See the NLA website.) Go to NLA webpage and >>> to >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >