Hello Lesley and Wayne Thank you both for your replies and comments. I am still a little tentative in regards to how I should record Daniel Canvin's whereabouts. Some extra information has just been uncovered since I last wrote to the List. Daniel came from a family in Bristol and his father (also Daniel) was a blacksmith and a Bristol Burgess. Daniel arrived on the Elizabeth 3 Dec 1820 and I now have Daniel recorded, taken from theColonial Secretary's Papers, as Employed at New Lumber Yard on List of all persons victualled from H M Magazine 8 Sep 1821 reel 6016, 4/5781, p 95. Am I to take it that the NEW Lumber Yard is at Emu Plains? I also believe from another Lister that lumber would have been one of the main activities at the Emu Plains prison farm. I have done extensive research for the Lumber Yard that was in George Street and I uderstand what a hub of industry took place in lumber yards and with Daniel's background I would imagine that he would have worked as a blacksmith as that is what he did for the rest of his life. I too, have not been able to find a Ticket of Leave and I was interested to hear from you Lesley that it may have meant that he remained working for the government until his sentence expired in 1827. Is there anyway of finding out where this NEW Lumber Yard may have been 1821? Many thanks for Jenny I wrote: This is my brick wall; I am trying to find the Goverment Lumber Yard that my convict Daniel Canvin 1820> was employed. I had it all nicely pigeon holed and I was quoting in my research the Lumber Yard that was in Sydney Town corner of George and Bridge Street. I then obtained the General Muster List of NSW 1823, 1824, 1825, and here I find him under Goverment Employment at Emu Plains with a spelling of Cannivan. I now have to rethink my research. I was as wondering if anyone knew much about convicts at Emu Plains and if it had a Lumber Yard 1820- 1827. I am aware that Daniel ended up working for the Badgery Family all of his life however I am not sure when his Goverment Employemt ended and his work for the Badgery family began. I am also wondering why I can't find Daniel in 1822 Muster

Hi Jenny As I wrote the other day, there was also the Lumber Yard at Parramatta and also apart from Sydney, there was one at Newcastle. Emu Plains was mainly an Agricultural farm, but of course, the trees would have had to be cleared beforehand. There is no mention of a Lumber Yard per se in the Colonial Sec. Index or the HRA. Governor Macquarie left in 1821 and sent a report of the public buildings and works and other useful improvements he made in NSW and its dependencies from 1 January 1810 to 30 November 1821. I typed up this report a few years ago, but will just extract mention of any Lumber Yard and Emu Plains. LUMBER YARD mentions; At Sydney in an vicinity of:- A large commodious brick built Lumber Yard, situated nearly in the centre of the town, containing all the requisite Workshops and covered in Saw Pitts for the Mechanics and Artificers in the immediate service of Government, with an Arsenal for Arms and rooms for various stores, and also offices for the Acting Chief Engineer and Principal Superintendent of Convicts, having an extensive area of ground for timber and the whole premises enclosed with a stone wall 12 feet high. At Parramatta:- A new brick built Lumber Yard with all descriptions of work shops and covered in Saw Pitts, for the different Artificers and Mechanics in the employ of Government, including stables for the working horses and bullocks, hay-lofts and store rooms for store and grain, and also offices for the Superintendent and his clerks, the whole of these premises being contiguous to the convict Barracks and enclosed with a high brick wall. At Newcastle:- A complete Lumber Yard, enclosed with a strong stockade, containing all descriptions of Work Shops, and covered in Saw Pits for the Government Mechanics and Artificers. EMU PLAINS mentions Agricultural farm at Emu Plains -------------------------------------- I accordingly employed numerous Gangs of them in all parts of the Colony in repairing the old public roads and bridges, and in constructing new ones. I also established a Government Agricultural Farm on " Emu Plains," one of the richest and most fertile tracts of land in the whole colony, appointing Mr. Richard Fitzgerald to be Superintendent and Inspector of Government Agriculture, for which situation he is eminently qualified, being a most honest upright good man and perfectly well acquainted with all the branches of Agriculture, having been employed several years in the same situation by my predecessors, Governors Phillip, Hunter and King, all of whom were highly pleased with his conduct. Convicts employed at Emu Plains -------------------------------------- To this Establishment were sent those convicts, who were not required for the settlers, for the public roads and bridges or other Government purposes. They are there most usefully employed in productive labour, which, from the most correct calculation, more than repays to Government the amount of their maintenance and all the other expenses of the Establishment, there being 300 Convicts employed there on the 30th of November last. Proposed reservation at Emu Plains ----------------------------------------- 37. This tract of land is so extremely fertile, and so peculiarly well situated for a Government Agriculture Establishment, and so useful as a nursery for instructing the younger descriptions of convicts in the art of husbandry, as well as so valuable in many other points of view to Government, that I cannot resist the desire of most respectfully recommending to your Lordship never to permit this fine tract of land to be alienated from the Crown and to instruct the present and all future Governors accordingly. At Emu Plains ------------------- 1. A good substantial brick built house, one storey and a half high, for the residence and accommodation of the Superintendent of Government Agriculture, having two spare rooms reserved therein for the occasional residence of the Governor with a Kitchen and Stables. 2. A weather boarded Provision Store and Granary 3. A weather boarded House as a Barrack for the Store Keeper 4. A weather boarded Barrack for the Principal Overseer of Government Agriculture. 5. A weather boarded Barrack and Guard House for the Military detachment stationed at Emu Plains 6. A small log house as a Lock Up place or Prison for the refractory convicts. 7. Two large strong weather boarded Barns with lofts for the wheat and maize crops. 8. Strong log and weather boarded Huts for the residence and accommodation of 500 male convicts with Kitchen Garden, enclosed and attached to the said Huts for the use of the convicts. 9. An extensive Kitchen Garden enclosed with a strong paling for the use of the Superintendent, Overseers, Store Keeper and Military Guard. Eight hundred acres of good ground for the purposes of agriculture, cleared of the timber, enclosed and subdivided into separate large fields, two hundred acres of which ground have already been cleared of the stumps, and five hundred acres have been this last season under crops of wheat, maize, oats, barley, rye, flax and tobacco. The rich fine tract of land called Emu Plains, consists upwards of 2,000 acres of ground and by the far the best soil in the colony for cultivation, It is situated on the west side of the River Nepean and at the foot of the Blue Mountains. This most valuable tract of land is of so much importance and so useful in every point of view to the Government that it never ought to be alienated. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:41 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Lumber Yards Hello Lesley and Wayne Thank you both for your replies and comments. I am still a little tentative in regards to how I should record Daniel Canvin's whereabouts. Some extra information has just been uncovered since I last wrote to the List. Daniel came from a family in Bristol and his father (also Daniel) was a blacksmith and a Bristol Burgess. Daniel arrived on the Elizabeth 3 Dec 1820 and I now have Daniel recorded, taken from theColonial Secretary's Papers, as Employed at New Lumber Yard on List of all persons victualled from H M Magazine 8 Sep 1821 reel 6016, 4/5781, p 95. Am I to take it that the NEW Lumber Yard is at Emu Plains? I also believe from another Lister that lumber would have been one of the main activities at the Emu Plains prison farm. I have done extensive research for the Lumber Yard that was in George Street and I uderstand what a hub of industry took place in lumber yards and with Daniel's background I would imagine that he would have worked as a blacksmith as that is what he did for the rest of his life. I too, have not been able to find a Ticket of Leave and I was interested to hear from you Lesley that it may have meant that he remained working for the government until his sentence expired in 1827. Is there anyway of finding out where this NEW Lumber Yard may have been 1821? Many thanks for Jenny