Hi Russell Wow, Thank you very much for all that information I have a few questions, please Is the embarkation list, the Lord Melville's passenger record? In my notes[source not recorded, maybe from a James McClelland book] I have written Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children 12 July 1816 to board ship at Deptford in Goal of Newgate 18 July 1816 free infection disentry disease sign by the Sheriff of Middlesex. I took this to mean she was on shore maybe in goal, prior to the 12 July 1816. The leave date from London is interesting, the journey took 162 days it said in the Sydney Gazette which matches leaving on the 15 September. I wonder if it was just an error or if an extra 18 days was a short trip to another English port? Unfortunately not listed in the London Gazette or the Times. What are the Bateson Records please? Interesting the term Twins for Joe and Isabella With regards the children's ages Sarah christen 4 May 1800 Mary Ann was born 29 Sept 1802 christen Oct 1802 Isabella born 22 Oct 1804 christen Nov 1804 Joseph born 24 Feb 1807 christen April 1807 42 children embarked and 44 children arrived consisting of 30 children belonging to convicts embarking minus one male who died and three children born on the journey, equals 32 children arriving belonging to convict women and 12 children to free settlers. Have I worked that out correctly? Was John Gill responsible for checking off the convicts that arrived on this ship? Was this information in a letter he sent to Macquarie? The Letter to Earl Bathurst was this about sending the convicts to him.... at Parramatta? What does 'extant' ship mean please? Thanks for your help Karen

Hi Karen, The embarkation list is a report that Wetherell sent to the Transport Office (PRO Reel 4402, ADM 108/27, pp 33-38) on the number of female convicts and their children and wives of convicts and their children. There was also another list (CO 201/82 p211) which listed 13 free women 11 of whom were wives of convicts having 11 children between them. There is no passenger list as such and that is the reason I set out to create one! Instructions from Whitehall went out to various gaols from 22 June to mid July to deliver the female convicts to the Lord Melville but some convicts were not delivered until early August due to administrative bungling. Check SRNSW for "Colonial Secretary, Convict Ships Musters and other papers 'Lord Melville' to 'Lucy Davidson' 2/8267" - there is a shipload of information there. The LM departed Gravesend (River Thames) on Thursday morning 29 August 1816. It was a false start, before reaching the Downs they were blown away by a gale and, to cut a long story short, eventually hauled in off the Isle of Wight on 2 September where they had to make repairs to their topmasts. They eventually set sail proper on Monday 16 September 1816. The convicts remained on board the whole time. Charles Bateson wrote the mostly definitive reference on convict transports to Australia called 'The Convict Ships' - you can still buy second-hand copies - well worth it. The Bevatt 'twins' note is recorded in PRO Reel 4402, ADM 108/27, pp 33-38. I have the christening dates of the children. The written comment was probably made by an official, possibly Wetherell, and is their judgement of age - who knows? Your numbers are correct - a baby was born to one of the wives of convicts to raise their clutch from 11 to 12. John Gill was an officer of Macquarie's regiment and was in charge of mustering the Lord Melville. He sent his report to his CO. Macquarie, in a bunch of despatches regularly sent back to England, reported to his CO Earl Bathurst of the Colonial Office. Extant means merely 'in existence', i.e. there are no existing logs from the Lord Melville despite the fact that logs and journals had been a requirement for some years before the LM set sail. And yes, you could write a book about it. Regards, Russell - off for a fortifying Sunday red. Karen Hodges wrote: >Hi Russell > >Wow, Thank you very much for all that information > >I have a few questions, please > >Is the embarkation list, the Lord Melville's passenger record? > >In my notes[source not recorded, maybe from a James McClelland book] I >have written >Lord Melville page 183 >Mary Bevatt 4 children >12 July 1816 to board ship at Deptford in Goal of Newgate >18 July 1816 free infection disentry disease >sign by the Sheriff of Middlesex. > >I took this to mean she was on shore maybe in goal, prior to the 12 July 1816. > >The leave date from London is interesting, the journey took 162 days >it said in the Sydney Gazette which matches leaving on the 15 >September. I wonder if it was just an error or if an extra 18 days was >a short trip to another English port? Unfortunately not listed in the >London Gazette or the Times. > >What are the Bateson Records please? > >Interesting the term Twins for Joe and Isabella > >With regards the children's ages >Sarah christen 4 May 1800 >Mary Ann was born 29 Sept 1802 christen Oct 1802 >Isabella born 22 Oct 1804 christen Nov 1804 >Joseph born 24 Feb 1807 christen April 1807 > > 42 children embarked and 44 children arrived >consisting of 30 children belonging to convicts embarking minus one >male who died and three children born on the journey, equals 32 >children arriving belonging to convict women and 12 children to free >settlers. Have I worked that out correctly? > >Was John Gill responsible for checking off the convicts that arrived >on this ship? Was this information in a letter he sent to Macquarie? >The Letter to Earl Bathurst was this about sending the convicts to >him.... at Parramatta? > >What does 'extant' ship mean please? > >Thanks for your help > >Karen > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >