Hi Listers. Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. Regards Wal Carter

Hi Wal, Just reached out to take a peek in this book I have on children of the first fleet and find there is quite a bit on your Ester Abrams. Not sure about copy write rules, as to how much I can copy? But it says she was born in Newgate prison March 18, 1787. To a convict mother of the same name. If you like I can scan the rest, or type it out a little later. Regards Jan -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of walcarter Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2009 2:09 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Ester Abrahams Hi Listers. Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. Regards Wal Carter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oops, I see it's probably the mother you want of course, there is more info on her too. Jan -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of walcarter Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2009 2:09 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Ester Abrahams Hi Listers. Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. Regards Wal Carter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, they had a few children and eventually married. Suggest you join Clan Johnston - they have a database of JOHNSTONs in Australia and will be able to put you in touch with others researching Esther ABRAHAMS. Clan Johnston/e http://www.johnston.asn.au/ Genealogical Officer & Clan Archivist: Des Johnstone E-mail: valdesj@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "walcarter" <walandjune@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: [PJ] Ester Abrahams Hi Listers. Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. Regards Wal Carter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wal A few people have claimed her on my web site. You can also find her trial details on the Old Bailey web site. he was tried in 1786. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org.uk/forms/formMain.jsp Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of walcarter Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:09 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Ester Abrahams Hi Listers. Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. Regards Wal Carter

At 04:09 PM 24/02/2009, you wrote: Wal Esther Abrahams on the First Fleet was sentenced to 7 years transportation at the Old Bailey on 30th August 1786 for stealing a length of black lace. She was Johnson's defacto wife from the time of their arrival although they weren't married until 1814. The daughter Rosannah was born on 18 March 1887 in Newgate prison. She sometimes used the surname Julian. Esther's marriage also used Julian as her own surname. There are a few books about her, chapters and references in Australian Jewish and general history books, and articles in the journal of the Australian Jewish Historical Society. Her tale is an important part of the early story of Annandale in Sydney. Two other relatives came to Australia. A niece of Esther Abrahams, Mary Jones (aka Julia Emanuel) was transported on the Grenada in 1835. When her son married he stated his mother's maiden name was Julian. A great-nephew Michael Abrahams arrived free in 1832, and was sentenced in Sydney in 1836 for swindling and sent to Van Diemen's Land How are you related to her? Gary ================================== >Hi Listers. >Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales 1st >fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George Johnson ? >also any details of her sentence and where & when born. >Regards >Wal Carter > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Hi Wal A very good book published last year on George Johnston and Easter Abrahams is Marine Officer - Convict Wife by Alan Roberts - cost about $30. Published by the Annandale Urban Research Association. It gives a very good balanced view of their family life and their children. Some other well known publications give biased views about some aspects of their lives. I am not related, one of my ancestors was involved in some land dealings that later involved George. And for those interested has a bit on the location of Brickfield Hill, saying it was the bit of George Street from the Town Hall down to the bottom of the slope. cheers Grahame On 24/02/2009, at 4:09 PM, walcarter wrote: > Hi Listers. > Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales > 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George > Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. > Regards > Wal Carter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Grahame, This has been a topic of much former discussion on this list, as to the (original) location of the Brickfield Hill, which is a very much mentioned place in Sydney or Port Jackson history. The name bacame almost a district name eventually for, with its own post office at one time I think .. and as you note, was then regarded as the "bit of George Street from the Town Hall down to the bottom of the slope". However the famous Anthony Hordens which advertised as being on Brickfield Hill once used to be on the opposite side of that low, on the Central side slope. Their original emporium there burned down. They relocated up the other side of the rise, the Town Hall side. They maybe 'took the name' (and the hill metaphorically) with them when they relocated? A case of pre-existing fame and advertising strategy "moving a hill" in the popular mind ,, if indeed that were right as to what has transpired. There's also mentions that will be come across by anyone who searches on this topic about the top of the hill being supposedly cut off and dumped in the valley, whence the topography's all a bit less than it now than it formerly was ... being the inference from that. But much of this may be reworked history and where the original brickfield hill was, that the colony very early used in building Sydney Town from, remains less than certain. I tend to more suspect that it was on the opposite side of the small valley, the haymarkets valley, that the original hill or hill slope was extensively stripped or quarried of clay, probably down to and just into the underlying weathered shale. Later on though, additional extractive site would have arisen, just to complicate things. I think it's pretty fair to say that the original records are not very precise location-wise on this, and a general false shift in the understanding of what was Brickfield Hill originally seems to have occurred. The main barracks for the early brick carters was just alongside the modern Central Railway complex, on the western side. There's no doubt that the original shallow quarrying was done down the southern end of old Sydney Town, but whether it really took place on the northern or southern side of the Haymarkets probably remains debatable. If someone has studied what all the excavations for the myriad tall building that now exist thereabouts went down into then that should have settled the question, by finding the traces, but I'm not aware if this has been done. Cheers, John At 04:45 PM 24/02/2009 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Wal > >A very good book published last year on George Johnston and Easter >Abrahams is Marine Officer - Convict Wife by Alan Roberts - cost >about $30. Published by the Annandale Urban Research Association. > >It gives a very good balanced view of their family life and their >children. Some other well known publications give biased views about >some aspects of their lives. > >I am not related, one of my ancestors was involved in some land >dealings that later involved George. > >And for those interested has a bit on the location of Brickfield >Hill, saying it was the bit of George Street from the Town Hall down >to the bottom of the slope. > >cheers > >Grahame > >On 24/02/2009, at 4:09 PM, walcarter wrote: > >> Hi Listers. >> Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales >> 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George >> Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. >> Regards >> Wal Carter >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >