Hi List, Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of Sydney. I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. Arnie

SAG has produced a CD that covers up to 1850 On microfilm is available "Butts and Certificates of the first Publicans Licenses 1830--1860" by McNaught I have only done those who owned them in the city of Sydney and surrounding areas in 1858 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of fletch Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:39 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 Hi List, Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of Sydney. I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. Arnie

Hello Lesley could you look up to see if you have anything on an Edward Sadler .. he died in 1874 after falling down the steps of the Miners Exchange Hotel in Sydney Michelle Herbert Bateau Bay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > > SAG has produced a CD that covers up to 1850 > > > On microfilm is available "Butts and Certificates of the first Publicans > Licenses 1830--1860" by McNaught > > I have only done those who owned them in the city of Sydney and > surrounding > areas in 1858 > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of fletch > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:39 PM > To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > > Hi List, > > Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel > licensees from the period mentioned above ? > > I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace > RICHARDS > nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " > The > Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of > Sydney. > > I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South > Wales > Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of > locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where > inquiries can > be made to purchase same. > > Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. > > Arnie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No Michelle, nothing in 1858 regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michelle Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 Hello Lesley could you look up to see if you have anything on an Edward Sadler .. he died in 1874 after falling down the steps of the Miners Exchange Hotel in Sydney Michelle Herbert Bateau Bay

At 01:38 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: Arnie The CD that Lesley mentioned has James Richards with the White Horse in George St in the 1840s, moving to Newtown with the same pub name in 1848. George Richards in George St in 1821 has no name of pub. James Richards was a son of convict Phoebe Haines, Lord Melville 1817. There are no biog notes on the CD for George Richards. William Mansell had a pub (no name) in Pitt St then O'Connell St around 1810 to 1813. No-one of your two surnames had a pub named the Black Horse, on this CD. Gary =================== >Hi List, > >Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding >hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? > >I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace >RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular >establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / >GEORGE Street area of Sydney. > >I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New >South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George >selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of >the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. > >Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. > >Arnie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Thank you Gary and Lesley, The James Richards and the William Mansell you mention are no relation that I know of but the George Richards in George St. in 1821 would be my ggg grandfather. That no pub is listed with the name I supplied, does this mean that I have the wrong meaning of the occupation " house-keeper " ? There are a number of mentions in the Sydney Gazette refering to George operating a public house and in one article a grand jury were of the opinion that he was not a fit person and his license should be revoked, this was in 1824. Another mention, in 1825, has two men indicted for stealing a keg of spirits from the premises owned by Grace Richards wife of George. Was it possible in those days to run such an establishment but without a name over the door ? Arnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Luke" <gary@feraltek.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > At 01:38 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: > > Arnie > > The CD that Lesley mentioned has James Richards with the White Horse > in George St in the 1840s, moving to Newtown with the same pub name > in 1848. George Richards in George St in 1821 has no name of pub. > James Richards was a son of convict Phoebe Haines, Lord Melville > 1817. There are no biog notes on the CD for George Richards. > > William Mansell had a pub (no name) in Pitt St then O'Connell St > around 1810 to 1813. > > No-one of your two surnames had a pub named the Black Horse, on this CD. > > > Gary >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message > > _________________________________ > Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au > Sydney, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gary, This is very insightful and exciting - can you tell me how you found that James Richards was the son of Phebe Hines of the Lord Melville? Gary Luke wrote: >.... >James Richards was a son of convict Phoebe Haines, Lord Melville >1817. ... > >

At 06:25 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: Russell The CD is an index with supplementary notes. This was one item in the notes. There's more - a bit about his three wives, and references. You should look for the CD and check it yourself. Gary ========================== >This is very insightful and exciting - can you tell me how you found >that James Richards was the son of Phebe Hines of the Lord Melville? > >Gary Luke wrote: > > >.... > >James Richards was a son of convict Phoebe Haines, Lord Melville > >1817. ... _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

George Richards Source Col Secretary Licensed to sell beer ale and porter only 17/2/1821 George Street Sydney CD Pubs and Publicans in the County of Cumberland NSW to 1850 compiled by Ken Knight and Allan Rost for SAG Regards Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: fletch [mailto:waugpath@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 15 February 2009 1:39 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 Hi List, Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of Sydney. I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. Arnie

Many thanks Elizabeth Regards Arnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Convict Trail" <convicttrail@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > George Richards > Source Col Secretary > Licensed to sell beer ale and porter only > 17/2/1821 > George Street Sydney > > CD Pubs and Publicans in the County of Cumberland NSW to 1850 compiled by > Ken Knight and Allan Rost for SAG > > Regards Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: fletch [mailto:waugpath@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Sunday, 15 February 2009 1:39 PM > To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >