Good afternoon Lesley and listers. I have just been given by one of my Marjoram relatives in England, a book from the U.K. called "Caw'd a Hell Thas Suffen Good" by a fellow who writes under the name of Charlie Haycock, and I have found it very entertaining. It is about the Suffolk and Norfolk dialects which are pretty similar, and they are supposedly markedly different to the other county dialects in England. The writer (who I believe is a teacher by profession, as well as a brilliant speaker according to another of my Marjoram researchers in Suffolk), makes the claim that Suffolk and then Norfolk contributed the most convicts to the colony in New South Wales, and he claims that this is why the Australian accent in general sounds much like the accents of these two counties. Leslie have you worked out the proportion of convicts which came from the various English counties, and is there any foundation on what Charlie claims. Comments please. :-) Liz at The Lake where its pretty soggy underfoot.

Hi Liz I would like to know how he came to that conclusion :) It is impossible for anyone to make such claims as it would require someone to go through each and every Indent and extract the Native Place for each convict. The Native Place is not always the place of birth nor do all Indents provide this information. The majority of convicts tried in England were tried in London. Just over 1000 were tried in Norfolk and just over 700 were tried in Suffolk. Surrey accounted for over 2300 convicts regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walker Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:04 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Convicts from Suffolk, etc. Good afternoon Lesley and listers. I have just been given by one of my Marjoram relatives in England, a book from the U.K. called "Caw'd a Hell Thas Suffen Good" by a fellow who writes under the name of Charlie Haycock, and I have found it very entertaining. It is about the Suffolk and Norfolk dialects which are pretty similar, and they are supposedly markedly different to the other county dialects in England. The writer (who I believe is a teacher by profession, as well as a brilliant speaker according to another of my Marjoram researchers in Suffolk), makes the claim that Suffolk and then Norfolk contributed the most convicts to the colony in New South Wales, and he claims that this is why the Australian accent in general sounds much like the accents of these two counties. Leslie have you worked out the proportion of convicts which came from the various English counties, and is there any foundation on what Charlie claims. Comments please. :-) Liz at The Lake where its pretty soggy underfoot.

Me again Liz I think that the Australian accent has evolved over many generations since transportation was abolished to PJ . The convicts were arriving from many countries - the English, Irish and Scots all have distinctive accents and add to that mix those convicts from say Germany, Russia etc You only have to remember :))) or listen to old wireless shows to realise that the average Australian accent has changed just in the past 50 years. The great wave of Europeans arriving in the 1900's has changed our accent (generally) and the food we eat as has the migration of peoples from Asian and middle eastern countries. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walker Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:04 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Convicts from Suffolk, etc. Good afternoon Lesley and listers. I have just been given by one of my Marjoram relatives in England, a book from the U.K. called "Caw'd a Hell Thas Suffen Good" by a fellow who writes under the name of Charlie Haycock, and I have found it very entertaining. It is about the Suffolk and Norfolk dialects which are pretty similar, and they are supposedly markedly different to the other county dialects in England. The writer (who I believe is a teacher by profession, as well as a brilliant speaker according to another of my Marjoram researchers in Suffolk), makes the claim that Suffolk and then Norfolk contributed the most convicts to the colony in New South Wales, and he claims that this is why the Australian accent in general sounds much like the accents of these two counties. Leslie have you worked out the proportion of convicts which came from the various English counties, and is there any foundation on what Charlie claims. Comments please. :-)