"Old Chum" a weekly(?) Sunday column in the Sydney Truth in and around January 1911 gives a story of the pubs up and down George St (and other streets) in the early days. I have not copied George St but the following account of Campbell St gives an example of how his columns described the situation, though I cannot recall whether he went back to 1830.. National and State libraries will have the microfilm. BEGINS Extract from *OLD SYDNEY OLD CHUM* by Old Chum *Truth*, Sunday January 25, 1911 (re Campbell Street in the *1850s)* …round by corner in Campbell Street in the early fifties were a number of inns patronised by farmers. One door from Mr. Byrne's *Peacock* was the *Picton Arms* named, I fancy, after the bucolic town on the Southern line, rather than after the famous General who 'foremost, fighting, fell'. It was in the first fifties kept by Robert McRoberts who had for next door neighbour James Madden, grocer, while next to him was *Luke Ryan, who kept the **Beehive Inn *. In connection with this hostelry, I have a gruesome story of murder, in which a soldier, a policeman and a tombstone in the old Presbyterian Cemetery in Devonshire-street are mixed up. Of that, however, at another time. Mr. Ryan's next door neighbour was one Cornelius Murray. Next to him was Philip Hart, who kept the *Irish Harp*, as Governor Bligh remarked of Mr. John Reddington, 'a disaffected Irishman, who kept a public house with the sign of the Harp without the Crown'. Cheek by jowl – brick to brick – with Mr. Hart was Mr. James Cullen, who kept the *Packhorse*. Then there was Robert Hewey, a general dealer, and then on the corner of Pitt Street a collection of sheds designated a hay and corn store and kept by John McIntosh….. the year 1858 saw many changes – James Tunks succeeding Mr. McRoberts (i.e. as prop of the *Picton Arms*. ENDS Frank M. Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:53:01 +1100 > From: "nuages" <nuages@apex.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 57 > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1A31AF2E50954F74AA2BE67FB4B5956E@IANSNEWPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Arnie > State Records has copies of publicans licences. > > Regards > Ian > > > >

Hello Listers This is a belated reply to Karen's inquiry of 2 Jan 2009 regarding Thomas Chipp and Jane Langley, as well as a general request to the PJ listers. Karen, I'm aware of two detailed histories of Thomas and Jane and their descendants that have been written. The first is A New Beginning: the story of three First Fleeters and their descendants, complied by the Jane Langley Descendents Association. This very detailed book is in the State Library of NSW in Macquarie St. The other is: Botany Bay to Ballarat: Thomas Chipp and Jane Langley, by Joan Schoch. Available from the Genealogical Society of Victoria in Melbourne. I understand this book describesthe story of Sophia Chipp and her husband William Thompson and their descendants in Victoria. I am one of the very many descendants of Jane and Thomas's daughter Mary and her second husband Thomas Ward. I'm enjoying following the discussions on the list and would appreciate any information / help with the following: Daniel Boyle per Guilford (1816) Thomas Mathews per Dorothy (1820) and his family Christopher Flynn per Isabella (1822) James Deacon per Princess Royal (1823). Thank you Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Murray" <fcmurr@gmail.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 "Old Chum" a weekly(?) Sunday column in the Sydney Truth in and around January 1911 gives a story of the pubs up and down George St (and other streets) in the early days. I have not copied George St but the following account of Campbell St gives an example of how his columns described the situation, though I cannot recall whether he went back to 1830.. National and State libraries will have the microfilm. BEGINS Extract from *OLD SYDNEY OLD CHUM* by Old Chum *Truth*, Sunday January 25, 1911 (re Campbell Street in the *1850s)* …round by corner in Campbell Street in the early fifties were a number of inns patronised by farmers. One door from Mr. Byrne's *Peacock* was the *Picton Arms* named, I fancy, after the bucolic town on the Southern line, rather than after the famous General who 'foremost, fighting, fell'. It was in the first fifties kept by Robert McRoberts who had for next door neighbour James Madden, grocer, while next to him was *Luke Ryan, who kept the **Beehive Inn *. In connection with this hostelry, I have a gruesome story of murder, in which a soldier, a policeman and a tombstone in the old Presbyterian Cemetery in Devonshire-street are mixed up. Of that, however, at another time. Mr. Ryan's next door neighbour was one Cornelius Murray. Next to him was Philip Hart, who kept the *Irish Harp*, as Governor Bligh remarked of Mr. John Reddington, 'a disaffected Irishman, who kept a public house with the sign of the Harp without the Crown'. Cheek by jowl – brick to brick – with Mr. Hart was Mr. James Cullen, who kept the *Packhorse*. Then there was Robert Hewey, a general dealer, and then on the corner of Pitt Street a collection of sheds designated a hay and corn store and kept by John McIntosh….. the year 1858 saw many changes – James Tunks succeeding Mr. McRoberts (i.e. as prop of the *Picton Arms*. ENDS Frank M. Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:53:01 +1100 > From: "nuages" <nuages@apex.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 57 > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1A31AF2E50954F74AA2BE67FB4B5956E@IANSNEWPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Arnie > State Records has copies of publicans licences. > > Regards > Ian > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.11.1/1961 - Release Date: 19/02/2009 6:45 PM

Hi I am after info on a pub on king st at the entrance to the theatre royal. In 1874 it was the Miner's exchange Michelle Herbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Murray" <fcmurr@gmail.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 "Old Chum" a weekly(?) Sunday column in the Sydney Truth in and around January 1911 gives a story of the pubs up and down George St (and other streets) in the early days. I have not copied George St but the following account of Campbell St gives an example of how his columns described the situation, though I cannot recall whether he went back to 1830.. National and State libraries will have the microfilm. BEGINS Extract from *OLD SYDNEY OLD CHUM* by Old Chum *Truth*, Sunday January 25, 1911 (re Campbell Street in the *1850s)* …round by corner in Campbell Street in the early fifties were a number of inns patronised by farmers. One door from Mr. Byrne's *Peacock* was the *Picton Arms* named, I fancy, after the bucolic town on the Southern line, rather than after the famous General who 'foremost, fighting, fell'. It was in the first fifties kept by Robert McRoberts who had for next door neighbour James Madden, grocer, while next to him was *Luke Ryan, who kept the **Beehive Inn *. In connection with this hostelry, I have a gruesome story of murder, in which a soldier, a policeman and a tombstone in the old Presbyterian Cemetery in Devonshire-street are mixed up. Of that, however, at another time. Mr. Ryan's next door neighbour was one Cornelius Murray. Next to him was Philip Hart, who kept the *Irish Harp*, as Governor Bligh remarked of Mr. John Reddington, 'a disaffected Irishman, who kept a public house with the sign of the Harp without the Crown'. Cheek by jowl – brick to brick – with Mr. Hart was Mr. James Cullen, who kept the *Packhorse*. Then there was Robert Hewey, a general dealer, and then on the corner of Pitt Street a collection of sheds designated a hay and corn store and kept by John McIntosh….. the year 1858 saw many changes – James Tunks succeeding Mr. McRoberts (i.e. as prop of the *Picton Arms*. ENDS Frank M. Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:53:01 +1100 > From: "nuages" <nuages@apex.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 57 > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1A31AF2E50954F74AA2BE67FB4B5956E@IANSNEWPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Arnie > State Records has copies of publicans licences. > > Regards > Ian > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michelle Was the owner a convict who had served his sentence or had been pardoned? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michelle Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:07 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 Hi I am after info on a pub on king st at the entrance to the theatre royal. In 1874 it was the Miner's exchange Michelle Herbert I have deleted all the unnecessary messages

Hello lesley No he was not a convict ...it is about the pub I am interested in. What its name was after and before it was the Miners Exchange (it was this in 1874 and my ggg grandfather was suppose to be the publican and he fell down the stairs and he died). Just after any history of the pub Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 > Hi Michelle > > Was the owner a convict who had served his sentence or had been pardoned? > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I have an interesting book called "Inns of Australia" by Paul McGuire - my edition was published in 1912. There is an index in the back of many of the names of Inns (hotels) and also the names of many of the owners in NSW, Vic., Tasmania, WA and S.A.. Taken from pages 33,34 and 35 When Macquarie arrived to end the Military Junta’s reign, there were seventy-five licences in Sydney alone. Macquarie order that they be reduced to twenty. One was to be given on the road to Parramatta; three in Parramatta; one on the road beyond it to the Hawkesbury; and six at Windsor and thereabouts. Macquarie’s order did not stand. In 1810, the Judge Advocate listed fifty beer licencees for Sydney (a lesser number perhaps were licensed to sell spirits). The Bigge Report gives 104 licences for 1811, 117 for 1812, 93 for 1813, 110 for 1814, 85 for 1815, 70 for 1816, 75 for 1817, 94 for 1818, 62 for 1819, 46 for 1820. Macquarie cut at the shanty trade and illicit stills. He encouraged reputable publicans to improve their premises. He persuaded the British Government to a reasonable duty on spirits and an unrestricted import, to discourage moonshiners. He won leave for a distillery to take up the grain surplus on occasion. Through most of the Macquarie reign, rum continued as a powerful element of the economy. When John O’Hearne contracted in 1812 to restore the stone bridge over the Tank Stream near the Cove, he was paid with 660 gallons of rum and a bonus of 15 gallons for good workmanship. Doubtless his profit was sufficient. Australia’s coal sold in India for Bengal rum. And Sydney’s Hospital (which came to house the Parliament) was built by Riley, Blaxcell and D’Arcy Wentworth in return for the necessary labour and a permit to import 45,000 gallons of rum. Forty nine public houses and their licensees are named in the Sydney Gazette of April 19, 1817, thirty one in Sydney and eighteen out of town. The Sydney houses were The Green Man kept by John Tindall The Cat and Fiddle, Thomas Collicott The Feathers, Charles Clarke The Blacksmith’s Arms, William David The Dog and Duck, Ambrose McGuigan The Foul Anchor, Ed. Redmond The King’s Head, Sam Fowler The Windmill, Jas. Vandercomb The Bee Hive, F. Mourant The Saint Patrick, Stephen Murphy The Duke of Wellington, William Walsh The Greyhound, Sarah Hazard The Punch Bowl, Thomas Wilford The Bee Hive, Japhet White The Westmoreland Arms, Esther Bradley The Pine Apple, Nathaniel Lawrence The Black Swan, Richard Palmer The New Zealander, Benjamin Morris The Golden Fleece, John Laurie The Green Gate, Thomas Hanson The Blue Lion, William Board The Lord Nelson, Joseph Salter The Saint Pauls, Ann Cooper The Unicorn, Jas. Byrne The Grapes, Samuel Terry The Hope and Anchor, Phoebe Turnstall, The Lord Nelson’s Victory, Henry Henry The Pot of Beer, William Kennedy The Bunch of Grapes, Mary Dwyer. We have not been able to find a single survivor by site and title in modern Sydney. Sydney has significantly been less tenacious than Melbourne and Adelaide of the old names. Inn names and signs are fascinating themes for the connoisseur of social history. Most of ours were brought from Britain; though we recall S. B.’s brave local note of The Three Jolly Settlers. The antipodean scene suggested The Macquarie Arms, The Governor King, The New Zealander and probably The Windmill; while out of town appeared The Hawkesbury Settler, with The First and Last at Castlereagh marking for a time the frontiers of settlement. Other signs have echoes of antiquity, The Seven Stars may have derived from Manchester’s inn licensed under Edward III. The New Inn had one of the oldest of titles; there were New Inns, no doubt in Thebes and Babylon and Tyre. The Lord Nelson and Nelson’s Victory recalled recent glories; the Duke of Wellington had to wait another year or two for his Sydney honours. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Hi Lesley, Thank you for this interesting insight to the early hotel industry in the colony. Does you book mention the Sir Richard Bourke Hotel at 8 Riley Street, Woolloomooloo or the Sir Maurice O'Connell hotel which I think may have been the re-named Sir Richard Bourke Hotel? My GG Uncle, George Copas (Marquis of Huntley (4)) applied for and received a Conditional Pardon in 1846. He was a cab proprietor between 1855 and 1861 and in 1861 he became an inn keeper at the Sir Richard Bourke Hotel. The Sands Directories reveal a variation of the hotel's street number and also reveal that either the Sir Richard Bourke Hotel had its name changed to the Sir Maurice O'Connell Inn or that George became the licensee of the new hotel bearing the latter's name. The 1867 & 1868 Sands directories list the Sir Maurice O'Connell Hotel as being at 14 Riley Street, Woolloomooloo while the 1869 directory lists the hotel at 6 Riley Street. Confusion continues with the 1870 directory which lists the hotel at 10 & 12 Riley Street, while the 1871 directory lists 12 & 14 Riley Street as being the address of the Hotel. George's funeral notice states 12 Riley St.. George also acquired property that is now known as 112 - 114 Oxford St and died leaving a substantial legacy to his family, charities and friends. George also travelled back to England some time between 1855 and 1864 and brought his wife out to the colony so the hotel trade must have been quite lucrative. I would be most interested in any mention of either of the above hotels in your book. Cheers, John Caling Currimundi, Qld. -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:07 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 Hi all, I have an interesting book called "Inns of Australia" by Paul McGuire - my edition was published in 1912. There is an index in the back of many of the names of Inns (hotels) and also the names of many of the owners in NSW, Vic., Tasmania, WA and S.A.. <SNIP>

Thank you John, No mention of either of those hotels in the book. The Sands Directory of 1858 mentions both places. Licensee : Hotel : Location Davison, George Sir Richard Bourke Camperdown Fernandez, D Sir Maurice O'Connell Riley St, Woolloomooloo Robinson, John Sir Maurice O'Connell Elizabeth & Hunter Sts Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John Caling Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:20 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 Hi Lesley, Thank you for this interesting insight to the early hotel industry in the colony. Does you book mention the Sir Richard Bourke Hotel at 8 Riley Street, Woolloomooloo or the Sir Maurice O'Connell hotel which I think may have been the re-named Sir Richard Bourke Hotel? My GG Uncle, George Copas (Marquis of Huntley (4)) applied for and received a Conditional Pardon in 1846. He was a cab proprietor between 1855 and 1861 and in 1861 he became an inn keeper at the Sir Richard Bourke Hotel. The Sands Directories reveal a variation of the hotel's street number and also reveal that either the Sir Richard Bourke Hotel had its name changed to the Sir Maurice O'Connell Inn or that George became the licensee of the new hotel bearing the latter's name. The 1867 & 1868 Sands directories list the Sir Maurice O'Connell Hotel as being at 14 Riley Street, Woolloomooloo while the 1869 directory lists the hotel at 6 Riley Street. Confusion continues with the 1870 directory which lists the hotel at 10 & 12 Riley Street, while the 1871 directory lists 12 & 14 Riley Street as being the address of the Hotel. George's funeral notice states 12 Riley St.. George also acquired property that is now known as 112 - 114 Oxford St and died leaving a substantial legacy to his family, charities and friends. George also travelled back to England some time between 1855 and 1864 and brought his wife out to the colony so the hotel trade must have been quite lucrative. I would be most interested in any mention of either of the above hotels in your book. Cheers, John Caling Currimundi, Qld.