For those interested in Isaac Gorrick, pugilist, there was an article published in the Sunday Telegraph 5 September 1993. There was also an article on the life story of Isaac Gorrick published in the Newcastle Herald 3 February 1898, an obit for Isaac's wife published Maitland Weekly Mercury 22 January 1898. There were many stories concerning Isaac published in the Maitland Mercury over the years. Regards, Ann -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 10:43 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 88 The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List Today's Topics: 1. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (Lesley Uebel) 2. Re: PJ List (Maree@iseekin.com.au) 3. Re: PJ List (sandra fox) 4. Happy Birthday listers and thanks to Lesley for all her hard work (Perplexed) 5. PJ List - happy 8th Birthday (MarjeDawn@aol.com) 6. Re: William BLAKE (MarjeDawn@aol.com) 7. Re: William BLAKE (MarjeDawn@aol.com) 8. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (I Baig) 9. Re: PJ List (Sherrie Blackman) 10. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (South Coast Promotions) 11. Re: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 (Lynne Kokshoorn) 12. Re: ] PJ List (Norma McLean) 13. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (I Baig) 14. Re: PJ List (Ann O'Grady) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:13:36 +1100 From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEAAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Natalie Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when he died in 1899 ? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) or John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in 1842 - is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, including John and Isaac jr. It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected in some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a couple of boxing experts but without any luck so far. Regards, Natalie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:21:57 +1100 From: "Maree@iseekin.com.au" <maree@iseekin.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <EAA70280AE5146F0B0678FECD47AB264@marie0bc0b1030> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lesley, congratulations on a wonderful and informative list. It truly is terrific. I have found it Very educational as well... thank you :) regards Maree Larsen (ex Qlder) - Hobart Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: Lesley Uebel To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [PJ] PJ List We are now 8 years old :) Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have contributed over the years. 44,335 messages over 8 years Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:42:18 +1100 From: "sandra fox" <sandra26sandra@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CE486C14BB584D799B07AD23E0F00695@HP26230307792> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Congratulations, wish I knew about you 8 years ago. Would have saved me a lot of misinformation. Thanks Lesley. ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:08:33 +1100 From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [PJ] Happy Birthday listers and thanks to Lesley for all her hard work To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FA7F9810CE50463083A18B4FD5502735@AnnePC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thoroughly enjoy reading the messages and have found a good deal of useful information. Anne ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:56:31 EST From: MarjeDawn@aol.com Subject: [PJ] PJ List - happy 8th Birthday To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bf1.4b4aec3d.36e109df@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Congratulations to you Lesley, and to all who have contributed to the list over these 8 years. A wealth of knowledge has been shared and information gained by all. Best Wishes, Marje ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:18:49 EST From: MarjeDawn@aol.com Subject: Re: [PJ] William BLAKE To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d21.497f7e96.36e10f19@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Lesley for your prompt reply regarding William Blake per Minerva. I have 2 references for William BLAKE taken from the film of the Indent of the Minerva, both gave different details of age, origin, trial date and sentence, so I thought they were for 2 separate convicts. Refs - 1. film 625 page 371 shows Wm Blake, Co.Tipperary, August 1798, 7 years 2. film 625 page 359 shows Wm Blake, 23, wool comber, Co.Tyrone August 1799, life, plus the comment - Discharged 14 th May1799. Would this comment refer to a Pardon? Do you know whether the second entry is in error and should refer to another transport perhaps? many thanks, Marje > Hi Marje, > > I can only find one William Blake who arrived on the Minerva in 1800. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > Hello Lesley and Listers, > > I am researching convict William BLAKE and hope that someone will be able to > help me please. > > There are 3 convicts of that name who were early arrivals in the colony and > I > am having some difficulty in eliminating the ones who do not fit into the > family story. > The information I have found is from the Indents,Musters,Col. Sec. papers, > Irish Convicts to Australia -Peter Mayberry site and BMD. > They are - > > 1.William Blake, 29, County Wexford, Ireland, a rebel, had been sentenced to > death, commuted to Life as a transported convict, per "Sugar Cane"17th > September, 1792, became a self employed shoemaker and shopkeeper in Sydney, > granted > a CP . > I think this fellow acted as a juror on several inquests - Col Sec papers. > He may have had a relationship in 1801 with Eleanor Allicot > > 2. William Blake, 23, a wool comber of County Tyrone, Ireland was sentenced > to 7 years transportation in August 1799, arrived per "Minerva" 11th January > 1800, became free by servitude and was listed as a labourer for Thomas > Prosser > in the 1814 Muster. ( Comment on the indent- Discharged 14 May 1799) ? > 3. Wm Blake (2) per Minerva 1800, from Tipperary Ireland, tried Aug. 1798, 7 > > yrs > One of these men was granted land at Kissing Point. > The William Blake I am researching married in 1807 to Harriott Edwards, Snipped ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:26:11 EST From: MarjeDawn@aol.com Subject: Re: [PJ] William BLAKE To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c30.500239ea.36e110d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Cathy for this helpful information. William Blake of Wexford, per Sugar Cane would be 46 and William of Tyrone, per Minerva would be 40 in 1817, so either one is still a possibility. There are some references to his wife Harriott in the Col Sec papers so that might help to eliminate one of them. Tis back to the library tomorrow ! many thanks Marje > William BLAKE, age 42, buried Old Sydney Burial Ground, 21 May 1817, Free > Died 20 May 1817, no ship is recorded in the St Phillips Church Early Church > records > > Cathy Dunn > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:29:55 +1000 From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E7636D9358144FDCA0DEA4FBB32F44A0@IbbiePC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Lesley, Thanks for the suggestion. There is an obituary for Isaac, which I haven't read yet, but will chase up at library or buy the CD - cannot find anything on the NLA site. I also can't find when and where John Lisson/Gorrick died. I think he ran hotels in Sydney in the 1830s and may have been a butcher in the 1850s. (Sydney Gazette entries) John married Sarah Yeomans and had 5 children. Louisa 1830; Napoleon William 1832; William Oliver George 1835; Charles Augustus 1838 and John Hector 1845. When the first two were born he used the name Lisson, then Gorrick for the last three. In both the newspaper reports and the childrens birth there is a gap between 1840 and 1845. Regards, Natalie ---- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > Hi Natalie > > > Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when > he > died in 1899 ? > > > regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > > Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) > or > John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The > Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in > 1842 - > is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson > (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). > > As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson > and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, > including John and Isaac jr. > > It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected > in > some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who > knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed > from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders > and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. > > I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a > couple > of boxing experts but without any luck so far. > > Regards, Natalie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:51:54 +1100 From: "Sherrie Blackman" <silkweb@tpg.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.uqb34sct5xjpm9@sherrie-01> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Hi Lesley, Happy 8th Birthday & Congratulations :) Kind regards, Sherrie. On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:23 +1100, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > We are now 8 years old :) > > Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have > contributed over the years. > > 44,335 messages over 8 years > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:08:16 +1100 From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002501c99dd6$8122bf30$0400000a@OFFICEPC1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John was the son of Thomas and Ann, b 1808 Hawkesbury John Hector Lisson GORRICK married Jane Underwood 1866 William George Oliver Leeson GORRICK married Sarah May Cooper 23 Mar 1860 Ulladulla, she a grandchild of Robert Cooper of Juniper Hall William's daughter Emma Marguerite GORRICK married Napolean Jean LISSON her cousin, son of John Hector Lisson GORRICK I don't have a death of John Lisson/Gorrick Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of I Baig Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 10:30 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick Hi Lesley, Thanks for the suggestion. There is an obituary for Isaac, which I haven't read yet, but will chase up at library or buy the CD - cannot find anything on the NLA site. I also can't find when and where John Lisson/Gorrick died. I think he ran hotels in Sydney in the 1830s and may have been a butcher in the 1850s. (Sydney Gazette entries) John married Sarah Yeomans and had 5 children. Louisa 1830; Napoleon William 1832; William Oliver George 1835; Charles Augustus 1838 and John Hector 1845. When the first two were born he used the name Lisson, then Gorrick for the last three. In both the newspaper reports and the childrens birth there is a gap between 1840 and 1845. Regards, Natalie ---- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > Hi Natalie > > > Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when > he > died in 1899 ? > > > regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > > Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) > or > John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The > Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in > 1842 - > is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson > (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). > > As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson > and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, > including John and Isaac jr. > > It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected > in > some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who > knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed > from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders > and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. > > I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a > couple > of boxing experts but without any luck so far. > > Regards, Natalie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:17 +1300 From: "Lynne Kokshoorn" <kokohome@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B04B50E86D104EC29BD214AF772F7D59@userPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I am replying to message no 7 26 FebruaryLyn I have read your list of names and I am wondering if we have a connection. I have a WOODBRIDGE in my family tree. I have two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth(my grandmother) WOODBRIDGE they married brothers Patrick Louis CALLAGHAN and Michael Abraham CALLAGHAN the two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth's parents were Edward Daved WOODBRIDGE and Rose Ann (Throughgood) WOODBRIDGE. (I have no information on this couple) I think the woodbridge family may have come from Fullerton Cove NSW. Michael and Patrick's parents were John CALLAGHAN and Maria MILLS. John CALLAGHAN a descendant of Andrew CALLAGHAN (The three bees 1812) and Maria MILLS a descendant of Abraham MILLS (MOFFAT 1836). cheers Lynne K nz. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:32:01 +1100 From: "Norma McLean" <normabmc@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [PJ] ] PJ List To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <40657C0D59974D0AA9945390AFB42ECA@your1695c3d4b4> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Lesley and PJ Listers, May I add my congratulations on our 8th Birthday. May the PJ List continue to be the best Roots Web List for at least another 8 years. - I'm sure it will, Regards, Norma McLean normabmc@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- > > > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:23 +1100, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >> We are now 8 years old :) >> >> Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have >> contributed over the years. >> >> 44,335 messages over 8 years >> >> >> Regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:35:12 +1000 From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A7441A15C25E4502A13C6A3EBD34DE51@IbbiePC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks very much Cathy. Maybe John was in another state or country when he died. Regards,Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > John was the son of Thomas and Ann, b 1808 Hawkesbury > John Hector Lisson GORRICK married Jane Underwood 1866 > William George Oliver Leeson GORRICK married Sarah May Cooper 23 Mar 1860 > Ulladulla, she a grandchild of Robert Cooper of Juniper Hall > > William's daughter Emma Marguerite GORRICK married Napolean Jean LISSON > her > cousin, son of John Hector Lisson GORRICK > > I don't have a death of John Lisson/Gorrick > > > Cathy Dunn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:42:17 +1100 From: "Ann O'Grady" <annogrady@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <200903052342.n25NgHqA004405@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Congratulations, Lesley Happy Birthday PJ List Ann (in Sydney) > Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > We are now 8 years old :) > > Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have > contributed over the years. > > 44,335 messages over 8 years > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Ann O'Grady ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Thanks for the information Ann, Looks like a visit to the library is in order. If you have read any of the articles - did any of the articles state that Isaac Gorrick actually was the boxer. I have looked on the NLA but the Maitland Mercury only goes to 1889 and I can't find anything in the numerous earlier ones that suggested he was the boxer. Was the Telegraph aricle 1993 or 1893? Regards, Natalie - and thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Campbell" <AMCampbell@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac Gorrick > > For those interested in Isaac Gorrick, pugilist, there was an article > published in the Sunday Telegraph 5 September 1993. There was also an > article on the life story of Isaac Gorrick published in the Newcastle > Herald > 3 February 1898, an obit for Isaac's wife published Maitland Weekly > Mercury > 22 January 1898. There were many stories concerning Isaac published in > the > Maitland Mercury over the years. > > Regards, Ann > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 10:43 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 88 > > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (Lesley Uebel) > 2. Re: PJ List (Maree@iseekin.com.au) > 3. Re: PJ List (sandra fox) > 4. Happy Birthday listers and thanks to Lesley for all her hard > work (Perplexed) > 5. PJ List - happy 8th Birthday (MarjeDawn@aol.com) > 6. Re: William BLAKE (MarjeDawn@aol.com) > 7. Re: William BLAKE (MarjeDawn@aol.com) > 8. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (I Baig) > 9. Re: PJ List (Sherrie Blackman) > 10. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (South Coast Promotions) > 11. Re: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 > (Lynne Kokshoorn) > 12. Re: ] PJ List (Norma McLean) > 13. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (I Baig) > 14. Re: PJ List (Ann O'Grady) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:13:36 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEAAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Natalie > > > Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when > he died in 1899 ? > > > regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > > Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) > or > John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The > Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in > 1842 - > is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson > (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). > > As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson > and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, > including John and Isaac jr. > > It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected > in > some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who > knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed > from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders > and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. > > I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a > couple > of boxing experts but without any luck so far. > > Regards, Natalie > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:21:57 +1100 > From: "Maree@iseekin.com.au" <maree@iseekin.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <EAA70280AE5146F0B0678FECD47AB264@marie0bc0b1030> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Lesley, congratulations on a wonderful and informative list. > It truly is terrific. I have found it Very educational as well... > thank you :) > regards > Maree Larsen > (ex Qlder) - Hobart > Tasmania > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lesley Uebel > To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: [PJ] PJ List > > > > We are now 8 years old :) > > Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have > contributed over the years. > > 44,335 messages over 8 years > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:42:18 +1100 > From: "sandra fox" <sandra26sandra@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <CE486C14BB584D799B07AD23E0F00695@HP26230307792> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Congratulations, wish I knew about you 8 years ago. Would have saved me a > lot of misinformation. Thanks Lesley. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:08:33 +1100 > From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [PJ] Happy Birthday listers and thanks to Lesley for all her > hard work > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA7F9810CE50463083A18B4FD5502735@AnnePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I thoroughly enjoy reading the messages and have found a good deal of > useful > information. > > Anne > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:56:31 EST > From: MarjeDawn@aol.com > Subject: [PJ] PJ List - happy 8th Birthday > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bf1.4b4aec3d.36e109df@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Congratulations to you Lesley, and to all who have contributed to the list > over these 8 years. > > A wealth of knowledge has been shared and information gained by all. > > Best Wishes, > Marje > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:18:49 EST > From: MarjeDawn@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] William BLAKE > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d21.497f7e96.36e10f19@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Thank you Lesley for your prompt reply regarding William Blake per > Minerva. > > I have 2 references for William BLAKE taken from the film of the Indent of > the Minerva, both gave different details of age, origin, trial date and > sentence, so I thought they were for 2 separate convicts. > > Refs - > 1. film 625 page 371 shows Wm Blake, Co.Tipperary, August 1798, 7 years > 2. film 625 page 359 shows Wm Blake, 23, wool comber, Co.Tyrone August > 1799, > > life, plus the comment - Discharged 14 th May1799. > Would this comment refer to a Pardon? > > Do you know whether the second entry is in error and should refer to > another > > transport perhaps? > > many thanks, > Marje > >> Hi Marje, >> >> I can only find one William Blake who arrived on the Minerva in 1800. >> >> Regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> Hello Lesley and Listers, >> >> I am researching convict William BLAKE and hope that someone will be able > to >> help me please. >> >> There are 3 convicts of that name who were early arrivals in the colony > and >> I >> am having some difficulty in eliminating the ones who do not fit into the >> family story. >> The information I have found is from the Indents,Musters,Col. Sec. >> papers, >> Irish Convicts to Australia -Peter Mayberry site and BMD. >> They are - >> >> 1.William Blake, 29, County Wexford, Ireland, a rebel, had been sentenced > to >> death, commuted to Life as a transported convict, per "Sugar Cane"17th >> September, 1792, became a self employed shoemaker and shopkeeper in > Sydney, >> granted >> a CP . >> I think this fellow acted as a juror on several inquests - Col Sec >> papers. >> He may have had a relationship in 1801 with Eleanor Allicot >> >> 2. William Blake, 23, a wool comber of County Tyrone, Ireland was > sentenced >> to 7 years transportation in August 1799, arrived per "Minerva" 11th > January >> 1800, became free by servitude and was listed as a labourer for Thomas >> Prosser >> in the 1814 Muster. ( Comment on the indent- Discharged 14 May 1799) ? >> > > 3. Wm Blake (2) per Minerva 1800, from Tipperary Ireland, tried Aug. 1798, > 7 >> >> yrs >> One of these men was granted land at Kissing Point. >> The William Blake I am researching married in 1807 to Harriott Edwards, > > Snipped > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:26:11 EST > From: MarjeDawn@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] William BLAKE > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c30.500239ea.36e110d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Thank you Cathy for this helpful information. > > William Blake of Wexford, per Sugar Cane would be 46 and William of > Tyrone, > > per Minerva would be 40 in 1817, so either one is still a possibility. > There are some references to his wife Harriott in the Col Sec papers so > that > might help to eliminate one of them. > > Tis back to the library tomorrow ! > > many thanks > Marje > >> William BLAKE, age 42, buried Old Sydney Burial Ground, 21 May 1817, Free >> Died 20 May 1817, no ship is recorded in the St Phillips Church Early > Church >> records >> >> Cathy Dunn >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:29:55 +1000 > From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E7636D9358144FDCA0DEA4FBB32F44A0@IbbiePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Lesley, Thanks for the suggestion. There is an obituary for Isaac, > which > I haven't read yet, but will chase up at library or buy the CD - cannot > find > > anything on the NLA site. I also can't find when and where John > Lisson/Gorrick died. I think he ran hotels in Sydney in the 1830s and may > have been a butcher in the 1850s. (Sydney Gazette entries) > John married Sarah Yeomans and had 5 children. Louisa 1830; Napoleon > William 1832; William Oliver George 1835; Charles Augustus 1838 and John > Hector 1845. When the first two were born he used the name Lisson, then > Gorrick for the last three. In both the newspaper reports and the > childrens > > birth there is a gap between 1840 and 1845. > Regards, Natalie > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > >> >> Hi Natalie >> >> >> Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) >> when > >> he >> died in 1899 ? >> >> >> regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick >> >> >> Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) >> or >> John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The >> Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in >> 1842 - >> is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson >> (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). >> >> As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson >> and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, >> including John and Isaac jr. >> >> It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected >> in >> some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone >> who >> knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed >> from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders >> and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. >> >> I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a >> couple >> of boxing experts but without any luck so far. >> >> Regards, Natalie >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:51:54 +1100 > From: "Sherrie Blackman" <silkweb@tpg.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.uqb34sct5xjpm9@sherrie-01> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > charset=iso-8859-15 > > Hi Lesley, > > Happy 8th Birthday & Congratulations :) > > Kind regards, > Sherrie. > > > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:23 +1100, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >> We are now 8 years old :) >> >> Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have >> contributed over the years. >> >> 44,335 messages over 8 years >> >> >> Regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:08:16 +1100 > From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002501c99dd6$8122bf30$0400000a@OFFICEPC1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > John was the son of Thomas and Ann, b 1808 Hawkesbury > John Hector Lisson GORRICK married Jane Underwood 1866 > William George Oliver Leeson GORRICK married Sarah May Cooper 23 Mar 1860 > Ulladulla, she a grandchild of Robert Cooper of Juniper Hall > > William's daughter Emma Marguerite GORRICK married Napolean Jean LISSON > her > cousin, son of John Hector Lisson GORRICK > > I don't have a death of John Lisson/Gorrick > > > Cathy Dunn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of I Baig > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 10:30 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > Hi Lesley, Thanks for the suggestion. There is an obituary for Isaac, > which > I haven't read yet, but will chase up at library or buy the CD - cannot > find > > anything on the NLA site. I also can't find when and where John > Lisson/Gorrick died. I think he ran hotels in Sydney in the 1830s and may > have been a butcher in the 1850s. (Sydney Gazette entries) > John married Sarah Yeomans and had 5 children. Louisa 1830; Napoleon > William 1832; William Oliver George 1835; Charles Augustus 1838 and John > Hector 1845. When the first two were born he used the name Lisson, then > Gorrick for the last three. In both the newspaper reports and the > childrens > > birth there is a gap between 1840 and 1845. > Regards, Natalie > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > >> >> Hi Natalie >> >> >> Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) >> when > >> he >> died in 1899 ? >> >> >> regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick >> >> >> Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) >> or >> John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The >> Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in >> 1842 - >> is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson >> (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). >> >> As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson >> and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, >> including John and Isaac jr. >> >> It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected >> in >> some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone >> who >> knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed >> from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders >> and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. >> >> I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a >> couple >> of boxing experts but without any luck so far. >> >> Regards, Natalie >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:17 +1300 > From: "Lynne Kokshoorn" <kokohome@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B04B50E86D104EC29BD214AF772F7D59@userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I am replying to message no 7 26 FebruaryLyn > > > I have read your list of names and I am wondering if we have a connection. > I have a WOODBRIDGE in my family tree. > I have two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth(my grandmother) WOODBRIDGE they > married brothers Patrick Louis CALLAGHAN and Michael Abraham CALLAGHAN > the > two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth's parents were Edward Daved WOODBRIDGE > and Rose Ann (Throughgood) WOODBRIDGE. (I have no information on this > couple) I think the woodbridge family may have come from Fullerton Cove > NSW. > Michael and Patrick's parents were John CALLAGHAN and Maria MILLS. John > CALLAGHAN a descendant of Andrew CALLAGHAN (The three bees 1812) and Maria > MILLS a descendant of Abraham MILLS (MOFFAT 1836). > > cheers Lynne K nz. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:32:01 +1100 > From: "Norma McLean" <normabmc@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] ] PJ List > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <40657C0D59974D0AA9945390AFB42ECA@your1695c3d4b4> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > > Hi Lesley and PJ Listers, > > May I add my congratulations on our 8th Birthday. May the PJ List continue > to be the best Roots Web List for at least another 8 years. - I'm sure it > will, > > Regards, > > Norma McLean > normabmc@bigpond.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:23 +1100, Lesley Uebel >> <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >> wrote: >> >>> We are now 8 years old :) >>> >>> Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have >>> contributed over the years. >>> >>> 44,335 messages over 8 years >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> Lesley Uebel >>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:35:12 +1000 > From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A7441A15C25E4502A13C6A3EBD34DE51@IbbiePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks very much Cathy. Maybe John was in another state or country when he > died. Regards,Natalie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:08 AM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > >> >> John was the son of Thomas and Ann, b 1808 Hawkesbury >> John Hector Lisson GORRICK married Jane Underwood 1866 >> William George Oliver Leeson GORRICK married Sarah May Cooper 23 Mar 1860 >> Ulladulla, she a grandchild of Robert Cooper of Juniper Hall >> >> William's daughter Emma Marguerite GORRICK married Napolean Jean LISSON >> her >> cousin, son of John Hector Lisson GORRICK >> >> I don't have a death of John Lisson/Gorrick >> >> >> Cathy Dunn >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:42:17 +1100 > From: "Ann O'Grady" <annogrady@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200903052342.n25NgHqA004405@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Congratulations, Lesley > Happy Birthday PJ List > Ann (in Sydney) > > > >> Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >> >> We are now 8 years old :) >> >> Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have >> contributed over the years. >> >> 44,335 messages over 8 years >> >> >> Regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Ann O'Grady > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email > to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS mailing list, send an > email > to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 88 > ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >