Hi List I tell my kids that one day ( hopefully not too soon) when I walk through those pearly gates (I hope) all my ancestors will be waiting there to greet me and boy! do I have some questions for them. I'll get rid of all these darned brick walls. Regards Rod McDonald Convict ancestors: Robert Forrester 'Scarborough' 1st Fleet 1789, Isabella Jane Ramsay ('MaryAnn' 3rd Fleet), Matthew Lock 'Surprise 1790', Euphram Graham 'Pitt 1792', Thomas Hodgetts 'Scarborough 2nd Fleet, Charles Homer Martin 'Charles Stuart 1818', James Stephenson (Midas2 1827) Non-convict pioneer family interest; Peter McLaren, wife Robina McDiarmid with family aboard 'Hero' from Leith Scotland 1839 ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 90 > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: happy birthday (june robinson) > 2. Time travel (Lesley Uebel) > 3. Re: Time travel (Jan) > 4. Re: Time travel (South Coast Promotions) > 5. Re: Time travel (Cheryl Woodward) > 6. Re: Time travel (John Caling) > 7. Re: Time travel (Russell) > 8. Time travel (Stan Elgood) > 9. Re: Time travel (Lesley Uebel) > 10. Re: Time travel (Lesley Uebel) > 11. Re: Time travel (Jill Jackson) > 12. Re: Time travel (Jan Koperberg) > 13. Re: Time travel - Japhet White (Lesley Uebel) > 14. Re: Time travel (anne caroline pittard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:38:18 +1000 > From: "june robinson" <therobos2@tadaust.org.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] happy birthday > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1176AFD2867346429D1298A7315BC30A@ONE> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Congratulations Lesley for a great list and very helpful. > Thanks for all the help I have received over the years. > June Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:56 PM > Subject: [PJ] PJ List > > >> >> We are now 8 years old :) >> >> >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 > 19:32:00 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:59:18 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJKEAOABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:26:38 +0900 > From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01f901c99ed4$8789cc20$969d6460$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Oh Lesley, if I could zip back to 1832, and get hold of Sarah Norris , > I'd > be able to ask her how she met and married my gggrandfather Haycock James > Hutton, and perhaps find out where he was born. > Something I've been trying to find out for nearly thirty years!!!! > > Then I'd get them to walk me to the shoemakers shop they had in upper > George > St. > Find out why they split up and how he came to W.A. > > Also I'd ask Sarah what happened to her daughter, that is mentioned in her > trial notes. > And why on earth did she think she could steal silk from her boss and fill > her wardrobe full of lovely clothes unnoticed, when she was just a house > keeper?? > > Ah what fun it all would be. > > Sorry you asked now Lesley? > > Best regards, > Jan D. > W.A. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley > Uebel > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 11:59 AM > To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:32:25 +1100 > From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00bd01c99ed5$5581c380$0400000a@OFFICEPC1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mary Loveridge; Royal Admiral 1792 > Why? > Was Priscilla Loveridge also of the Royal Admiral 1792 her sister > And what happen to Priscilla's child born of the voyage > With Priscilla disappearing from the Colony by 1799, who looked after her > children, such as her daughter Prudence b. 1798 Sydney d 1816 Sydney > > Back to Mary > her natural child - Thomas LOVERAGE d. 1795 > a) whereabouts at the Old Sydney Burial ground was he buried > and when was he born > b) was Thomas Dargin her husband to be, the father of Thomas > > Did Thomas Dargin (Seaman of the Royal Admiral 1792) fall in love with her > on the voyage and is that why he jumped ship and stayed in NSW > > Cathy Dunn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley > Uebel > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:59 PM > To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:44:40 +1100 > From: "Cheryl Woodward" <cherwoodward@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <10542E7E63BF4C3492DA4C55A3A509A4@OWNERF5B875214> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > > I have 3 convicts. 2 of them John Casey and James Farrell served their > sentence and disappeared from the convict system without getting into > trouble but Edward Wilson was different. > > He arrived 1832 via the Hercules II (3). He is recorded as being in gaol > during the 1837 muster and seems to have gotten into trouble after > receiving > his CF. I want to know why he couldn't behaviour himself and why his son > Thomas Augustus refused to name him as his father? And also what happened > to > his wife Mary Ann Cunningham/Gunningham? > > Cheers > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:54:44 +1000 > From: "John Caling" <jcaling@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20F0C87BFF794DFC8CABA5AB065D0AF2@home67bf3cac6b> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi List & Lesley, > > The first convict ancestor I would visit would be my GG Grandfather in > 1826, > Henry Copas (per Speke 2). I have so many brick walls around this person > that have been frustrating me for many years. The first question I would > ask > would be did he really commit the crime he was tried for or was he just an > accomplice to Samuel Barnett and Harry Ward who were tried with him. Next > I > would ask about the circumstances surrounding his absconding from the > service of William Ogilvie at Merton in June 1826 before being apprehended > a > week later. I would also like to know why he went to Wollongong after > receiving his TOL and what he did there. Then I would like to know the > reason for moving to Hillgrove and Hernani the employ of Richard Hargrave. > I > would also like to know what life was like for him and his family in those > times. > > Then I would like to visit his wife, Sarah Carroll (per Surrey 1) in 1852 > to > find out what happened to Henry and their daughter Mary. Apparently he > died > between 1851 and 1852 on Hernani Station and there has been no death > recorded for him anywhere. Their daughter Mary seems to have disappeared > into thin air after being born in 1847. > > I guess I will just have to keep wondering about these matters as I > seriously doubt time travel will become a reality in my lifetime. > > :-)) > > Cheers, > > John Caling > Currimundi, Qld. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:10:28 +1000 > From: Russell <russellkel@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <49B1F3B4.3040905@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Good scenario Lesley, > > A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The > Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to > have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I > would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age > I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of > 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in > detail. > > Sigh - in my dreams. > > Regards, > Russell, > Brisbane > > Lesley Uebel wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >> >>Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >> >>Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:20:19 +1000 > From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <870A0BD18DDD40649B3432BC11BCB632@lynette1948> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Lesley, > > I now have 5 direct convict ancestors but the one I would first visit > would be Robert Higgins per Admiral Gambier 1811. > > He had a short but interesting life. He was a soldier in the 95th > Regiment of Foot, 2nd Battalion. He travelled to far flung places of the > world in his short lifetime. > > He visited Ireland, then shipped to Colonia in Uruguay where the British > had an offensive on the River Plate. Then later was involved in the war > with Napoleon at Walcheren (part of Holland). According to research > details : > > "Forty thousand men landed at Walcheren intending to destroy Napoleon's > new fleet. But the British sailed with barely a day's supply of quinine > and no hospital ships. In a master stroke of ecological warfare, Napoleon > breached the Dutch dykes creating breeding grounds for mosquitoes. Soon > thousands of invaders fell sick and a hundred a week died. The force > ignominiously withdrew". > http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/N2870.ny/B1157483.2;sz=1x1;ord=2006.03.12.37.58? > > Robert was court martialled at Walcheren for stealing a watch from a dutch > local and was transported. He became a Constable and farmer in NSW. > > "In November 1827 Surveyor Dixon set out alone to explore the Burragorang > Valley, where he was completely lost for four days and came close to > losing his life". It is uncertain why Dixon named a creek (Bob Higgins > Creek) in the Burragorang Valley after Robert Higgins, perhaps they had a > close association or travelled together on his surveying expeditions. > Perhaps it was Robert Higgins who found him when he was lost, we'll never > know. Sadly, Robert had separated from his wife before this time. A > witness stated at the inquest that he found her with another man. A > coroner's inquest was held into his death in 1828 where it was found he > died from an asthma attack a hut in the mountains. A poignant statement > was given to the court of inquest by a friend who was with him when he > died. Soon after his death his wife applied to have his two children > placed in the orphanage. > > He fitted a lot into his short life and would have some very interesting > stories to tell. Asthma has plagued each generation since, even my > grandchildren today. > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:18:56 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEAPABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > So John, > > Do you think your gggg grandchild will ask "I wonder why John Caling moved > to > Queensland in 2007" ?? > > or do you have it all written down for them? > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John > Caling > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:55 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Hi List & Lesley, > > The first convict ancestor I would visit would be my GG Grandfather in > 1826, > Henry Copas (per Speke 2). I have so many brick walls around this person > that have been frustrating me for many years. The first question I would > ask > would be did he really commit the crime he was tried for or was he just an > accomplice to Samuel Barnett and Harry Ward who were tried with him. Next > I > would ask about the circumstances surrounding his absconding from the > service of William Ogilvie at Merton in June 1826 before being apprehended > a > week later. I would also like to know why he went to Wollongong after > receiving his TOL and what he did there. Then I would like to know the > reason for moving to Hillgrove and Hernani the employ of Richard Hargrave. > I > would also like to know what life was like for him and his family in those > times. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:25:02 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJEEBAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Russell > > I have often thought the same i.e. visiting Port Jackson in the 'very' > early > days although I must admit I would prefer to be invisible at the time. I > don't > know if I could cope with some of the characters around in those days.:) > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Russell > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:10 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Good scenario Lesley, > > A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The > Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to > have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I > would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age > I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of > 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in > detail. > > Sigh - in my dreams. > > Regards, > Russell, > Brisbane > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:28:18 +1100 > From: "Jill Jackson" <jilljackson@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E955714EAA5A4784AE52FD3C089868A4@max> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thankyou Lesley, > > Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made > the English so upset. > Regards, Jill J > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson- > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:32:37 +1100 > From: "Jan Koperberg" <jank@eftel.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4DC9B180FF424863AEF8B03D9C25BC04@Koperberg> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Lesley and List > > I think I would visit Isaac Perrett (Hadlow 1818) first. He is one of my > second great grandfathers and the Perrett family is the ancestral line to > which I have had the most contact. My mother's mother Mary Maud Perrett, > born in Singleton in 1880, was the youngest of 13 children, and I still > have > contact with quite a few of my second cousins in the that line, and have > had > since I was a child. My grandmother's father George, born in Singleton in > 1832, was the son of Isaac Perrett and Mary Ross (her father John Ross - > Duke of Portland 1807 and mother Elizabeth Bennett - Canada 1810). I > would > like to thank Isaac Perrett for becoming an honest, hardworking citizen > and > for laying the foundation for the generations that have followed. > > Happy 8th birthday PJ list. > > Regards > Jan Koperberg > Blue Mountains > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:59 PM > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >> >> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:42:14 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - Japhet White > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEBAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Jill, > > Not the first Attorney to be tried for forgery :) > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jill > Jackson > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:28 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Thankyou Lesley, > > Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made > the English so upset. > Regards, Jill J > regards > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:45:02 +1100 > From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200903070445.n274j3hA023036@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > And how would you explain your presence there. Have you read Diane > Gabaldon's time travel novels?? Just google. Cheers. > Annie from a cycloneless Cairns, Aus. > > >> Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >> Hi Russell >> >> I have often thought the same i.e. visiting Port Jackson in the 'very' >> early >> days although I must admit I would prefer to be invisible at the time. >> I don't >> know if I could cope with some of the characters around in those days.:) >> >> regards >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> Russell >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:10 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> >> >> Good scenario Lesley, >> >> A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The >> Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to >> have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I >> would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age >> I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of >> 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in >> detail. >> >> Sigh - in my dreams. >> >> Regards, >> Russell, >> Brisbane >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Cheers. 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